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Parkbandit
12-01-2009, 01:58 PM
I hope Mike Huckabee meant it when he said recently that he's not sure he wants to make a second run for president. Though he's right up there with Sarah Palin in polls of the prospective Republican field for 2012, his odds of success are suddenly slim to none.

You could argue that the former Arkansas governor is a victim of bad luck. You could argue that he's a victim of his own bad judgment. What's inarguable is that Huckabee commuted the prison term of a man killed by police after he allegedly shot and killed four police officers Sunday morning in Washington state, and it's not the first time he has been in this particular spotlight.

When he ran in 2008, Huckabee received much attention for having publicly supported and privately urged the release of convicted rapist Wayne Dumond. Dumond won parole in 1999, three years after Huckabee became governor and discussed the case at a private meeting with the parole board. Dumond then moved to Missouri, was charged with rape and murder, and died in prison before trial.

In 2000, Huckabee commuted Maurice Clemmons' 108-year sentence for several felonies after Clemmons and a pastor said he had found religion and turned his life around. Now Clemmons is suspected of slaying the four officers in a coffee shop near Tacoma.

That's a one-two punch that revives longstanding questions about Huckabee's commutation policies and hands a powerful issue to prospective opponents in both parties. It also ensures he'd have at least two major battles on his hands during the primaries. The Club for Growth mounted a full-scale attack against Huckabee in 2008 over his tax policies as governor and can be counted on to do the same in 2012 if he runs. So he'd have to fight off soft-on-taxes and soft-on-crime charges at the same time.

How do you survive a Republican primary under those circumstances?

Huckabee, a rock-and-roll guitarist and champion of arts education, has a quick wit, a pastoral background, a populist bent and 10 years of experience as a governor. In recent polls, he's been at the top of the GOP field nationally and in Iowa, where he won the caucuses that launched the 2008 nomination race.

It's all ephemeral, especially now. The instant Huckabee's name came up in connection with the Clemmons case, the words "Willie Horton" passed through the mind of every political junkie in the land. Horton, a convicted murderer, raped a woman after failing to return to a Massachusetts prison after a weekend furlough.

Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, the Democrats' 1988 nominee, never recovered from the picture the GOP painted of a weak, criminal-coddling chief executive. The Washington police slayings are the political equivalent of five Willie Hortons, says Max Brantley, editor of the liberal alternative weekly Arkansas Times.

Brantley and other critics on the liberal end of the spectrum have wrestled for years with their respect for Huckabee's view that people can be rehabilitated, and their dismay at the way he exercised his powers. He used them more often than previous governors and seemed to be swayed by questionable factors.

"He just didn't have good judgment," Brantley told me. "I'm all for compassion, but not for stupidity."

Politics and connections figured in some cases, Brantley said. He said Huckabee went easy on people whose relatives or supporters had helped him politically, or because his actions would be seen as a repudiation of Democrat Bill Clinton, his predecessor. That was the case with Dumond, whose victim was a distant Clinton relative and whose cause was taken up by Clinton haters.

Other prisoners, such as Clemmons, claimed to be on the straight and narrow after religious rebirths. Huckabee was "a bit of a sucker sometimes for the noble notion of personal redemption" because of his own background as a preacher, John Brummett, a columnist for the Arkansas News, wrote me in an e-mail. "He was perceived as soft or oddly sympathetic to prisoners. For a couple of years, the big political story in Arkansas was that Democrats and prosecutors professed themselves aghast at the rate at which he commuted the sentences of violent offenders."

In the wake of the Washington killings, Democrats and prosecutors are not the only ones with misgivings. One of the most devastating critiques, and views of Huckabee's future, comes from Joe Carter, the former research director of his presidential campaign. Carter wrote Monday that he considered Huckabee's actions and judgment "generally defensible," yet "I'm convinced that had it not been for abject hatred of the Clintons many of these cases would never have been considered worthy of the governor's attention."

Why did Huckabee grant the commutations? Carter says it was courage mixed with political naivete ("The governor seemed genuinely surprised that he was held responsible for the criminal acts committed by those whose sentences he had commuted as governor") and too much trust in conversion stories ("The opinion of clergy appears to have carried a great deal of weight in the decision-making process"). Carter concludes that Huckabee is an appealing candidate because of his empathy and belief in the individual, and for those same reasons he will never get to the White House.

Huckabee is finding success in his current life. His talk show on Fox News Channel is the No. 1 cable show on Sundays. He has a syndicated radio show -- "The Huckabee Report" -- that airs in three 3-minute segments five days a week. He just finished a 64-city book tour for his feel-good book about Christmas, "A Simple Christmas." It was No. 5 on the New York Times bestseller list on Sunday and No. 53 at Amazon.com on Monday.

Still, it's clear that Huckabee is trying to keep his political options open. The statement he posted about Clemmons, and read on his radio show Monday morning, might as well have said "mistakes were made." The "horrible tragedy," he said, was the result of failures by the Arkansas and Washington criminal justice systems. He made no reference to the role he played.

In the friendly climes of his home network, Huckabee was more forthcoming. "I'm responsible" for the commutation, he said on "The O'Reilly Factor," "and it's not something I'm happy about." He said he acted on the recommendations of a judge and parole board and now "my heart is broken for four families." At which point Bill O'Reilly jumped in to say, "It's not your fault. I'm not saying it's your fault. I don't think anybody watching thinks it's your fault," then thanked Huckabee for being "a stand-up guy."

Huckabee told Fox News Radio on Monday that "politics is the last thing on my mind. It should be the last thing on anybody's mind." Just a day earlier, when it was still appropriate to have politics on the brain, "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace asked Huckabee about his 2012 plans. Huckabee said it was "less likely than more likely" that he'd run if his Fox talk show continues to be a success. He also added the condition that "I would have to see that the Republicans would be willing to unite behind me." That was always a remote possibility. Now it's almost inconceivable.

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Fuck the Huck imo.

PS - Fuck the link too...

Atlanteax
12-01-2009, 02:07 PM
I find it disturbing that he did more commutations than the three previous governors (which would include Bill Clinton) combined.

Parkbandit
12-01-2009, 02:14 PM
Yea.. he had far too many liberal tendencies for my taste.

Androidpk
12-01-2009, 02:14 PM
Cop killer.

crb
12-01-2009, 03:08 PM
Fuck the huck indeed.

He's a good natural speaker, and apparently that carries more weight than anything else when campaigning for the most important office in the world, BUT... I never liked his policy positions, this is just icing.

BigWorm
12-01-2009, 03:35 PM
Yea.. he had far too many liberal tendencies for my taste.

No true Scotsman!!!!!

Latrinsorm
12-01-2009, 04:45 PM
Huckabee written off by pundits - where have I heard this before?

Parkbandit
12-02-2009, 05:43 PM
Huckabee written off by pundits - where have I heard this before?

Not sure.. maybe during the Republican nomination.. when he lost?

Keller
12-02-2009, 05:46 PM
Too bad.

Huckabee and Palin would have made for amazing primaries.

Methais
12-02-2009, 05:56 PM
I don't really care about Huckabee either way, but he was on Hannity's radio show yesterday and talked about the whole thing and said he took full responsibility for commuting the sentence, and said that if he had to do it again based on the situation at that time (as in not knowing that at sometime in the future the guy is gonna kill a bunch of cops), he would.

The sentence he commuted was a 108 (was 100+ forgot the exact number) year prison sentence for an unarmed burglary charge on the guy when he was still a teenager.

He commuted the sentence down to 47 years which apparently made the guy eligible for parole, which he was granted. Even the judge that gave the original 100+ year sentence agreed with commuting it, and there's nothing on record showing that the prosecutor was opposed to it, which has apparently been floating around in the media.

Fast forward to Washington state where he rapes some kid (while still on parole), and gets out on bail anyway, which should never happen when someone violates parole.

A week later he walks into a coffee shop and shoots a bunch of cops.

If anything, I think the judge that let him out on bail for raping the kid should be the one in the spotlight. Back when Huckabee commuted the sentence, that was the only thing the guy had done was an unarmed burglary...and got a 100+ year prison sentence for it.

But that would require a non-left wing media that is interested in facts.

Keller
12-02-2009, 06:10 PM
But that would require a non-left wing media that is interested in facts.

I couldn't agree more.

The left wing media is interested in facts. We need the non-left wing media to similarly be interested in facts.

Methais
12-02-2009, 06:17 PM
I couldn't agree more.

The left wing media is interested in facts. We need the non-left wing media to similarly be interested in facts.

http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/evil-monkey.jpg

Keller
12-02-2009, 06:28 PM
Let this be a lesson in the importance of words.

Gan
12-02-2009, 11:14 PM
Too bad.

Huckabee and Palin would have made for amazing primaries.
And about the only chance Obama would have of being relected, at this rate.


Let this be a lesson in the importance of words.
I think someone said a picture is worth a thousand words, once, maybe twice.


OMG METHAIS SHUT UP ALREADY! ( :lol: )

Atlanteax
12-03-2009, 04:00 PM
http://cagle.com/working/091202/luckovich.gif

Clove
12-03-2009, 04:32 PM
In other news. Night is dark.

Methais
12-03-2009, 04:51 PM
In other news. Night is dark.

Not in Alaska.





















































half the time

Fruity2k
12-03-2009, 09:11 PM
Huck n' Chuck, 2k12! Because saying 2012 is sooooo 2008.

http://timbrownlee.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mike-huckabee-chuck-norris.jpg

In conclusion, they're scumbags. All of 'em. If they kept every promise they ever made, they'd never have made it as far as they have. Politics are a lot easier when you mistrust everybody equally.

Belnia
12-03-2009, 09:35 PM
Honestly the absolutely best place for Huckabee is out on the stump raising money for someone else who can hold his closet of skeletons at a safe distance and enjoy the fundraising he's so good at.

He's a gifted speaker, but I don't think he has even a dark horse chance at landing the Republican nomination in 2012. He'll still be involved in the campaign, I'm sure, but it won't be on the ticket.

Gan
12-03-2009, 10:36 PM
http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifHuckabee White House... (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1032645#post1032645)12-02-2009 11:01 PMLOL you're embarassing

LOL - I hit a nerve with a lib.

Daniel
12-04-2009, 12:45 AM
http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifHuckabee White House... (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=1032645#post1032645)12-02-2009 11:01 PMLOL you're embarassing

LOL - I hit a nerve with a lib.

Or... someone was amazed that you would have the gall to make those sorts of predictions so soon after being made to look like a complete retard a year ago.

I mean, Palin was a brilliant choice, amirite? There was no way Obama would beat Clinton in the primaries, amirite?

Seriously dude. You may want to take a step back from the prognostication.

Gan
12-04-2009, 12:54 AM
riiiiight

Odds are I struck a nerve.

Probably yours.

Gan
12-04-2009, 01:17 AM
But dont take my word for it. Just take a look at his latest approval polls.

Rasmussen - 46% approval
Gallup - 51% approval
USA Today - 50% approval
RCP Avg - 51%

And we're not finished with his first year. Yea, the Democrats pray that the GOP puts up a dynamic duo like Huckabee and Palin.

What's funny is that in Bush's first year, right before 9/11, his approval rating 51% (Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx)) - much like Obama's is now. Considering how much the Democrats try to paint Bush as the antichrist, this should make them very nervous as to how well Barack "walk on water" Obama is doing right now.

Daniel
12-04-2009, 05:56 AM
But dont take my word for it. Just take a look at his latest approval polls.

Rasmussen - 46% approval
Gallup - 51% approval
USA Today - 50% approval
RCP Avg - 51%

And we're not finished with his first year. Yea, the Democrats pray that the GOP puts up a dynamic duo like Huckabee and Palin.

What's funny is that in Bush's first year, right before 9/11, his approval rating 51% (Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx)) - much like Obama's is now. Considering how much the Democrats try to paint Bush as the antichrist, this should make them very nervous as to how well Barack "walk on water" Obama is doing right now.

I'm pretty sure George Bush was re-elected and that people are smart enough to realize that it's hard to make a final determination on a Presidents merits after less than a year.

I'm not saying Obama is a lock in 3 years because he could very well jag it all off over the next two years.

All I'm saying is that you are absolutely horrible at making political predictions and maybe you should give it some time before you start the circle jerk up.

Gan
12-04-2009, 07:53 AM
I'm pretty sure George Bush was re-elected and that people are smart enough to realize that it's hard to make a final determination on a Presidents merits after less than a year.

I'm not saying Obama is a lock in 3 years because he could very well jag it all off over the next two years.

All I'm saying is that you are absolutely horrible at making political predictions and maybe you should give it some time before you start the circle jerk up.

Who said I'm making a final determination? And who said its off limits to talk about Barack Obama? Oh, you are.

Dude, get off my leg? Why dont you go back to trying to convince me that the Fort Hood shootings arent terrorist or something equally retarded instead of trying to squelch any debate or discussion about your boy.

Daniel
12-04-2009, 07:59 AM
Did I say its off limits to talk about Obama? No. I'm pretty sure I was explaining why someone would call you an embarrassment.

If you want to continue then by all means, it'll only enhance the hilarity of these boards.

Gan
12-04-2009, 08:02 AM
Right, because I voted for the wrong candidate in the last presidential election, I'm an embarrasment.

Seriously?

Have a sip of coffee and relax. Your boy has 3 more years - so there will be 3 more years of folks picking on him here for you to defend. You'll have plenty to do without protecting him against me.

:lol:

Daniel
12-04-2009, 08:04 AM
I'm pretty relaxed actually, but hey! keep thinking whatever the fuck it is you think!

Gan
12-04-2009, 08:04 AM
Actions speak louder than words bub.

Parkbandit
12-04-2009, 08:09 AM
Your boy has 3 more years

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/3/icwhutudidt128517271548750000.jpg

Daniel
12-04-2009, 08:18 AM
Actions speak louder than words bub.

The human head weighs 7 pounds.

Gan
12-04-2009, 03:09 PM
And thus my point is proven.

Daniel
12-04-2009, 03:21 PM
Speechless. No really.

Methais
12-04-2009, 04:11 PM
Speechless. No really.

http://blog.fluidcreativity.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/cat-saying-hooray.jpg

Keller
12-04-2009, 05:22 PM
But dont take my word for it. Just take a look at his latest approval polls.

Rasmussen - 46% approval
Gallup - 51% approval
USA Today - 50% approval
RCP Avg - 51%

And we're not finished with his first year. Yea, the Democrats pray that the GOP puts up a dynamic duo like Huckabee and Palin.

What's funny is that in Bush's first year, right before 9/11, his approval rating 51% (Gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx)) - much like Obama's is now. Considering how much the Democrats try to paint Bush as the antichrist, this should make them very nervous as to how well Barack "walk on water" Obama is doing right now.

Wait, so those polls indicate that Obama will not be re-elected because they are consistent with a president that was re-elected.

That is embarassing.

Keller
12-04-2009, 05:23 PM
The human head weighs 7 pounds.

fail



not

Keller
12-04-2009, 05:25 PM
Why dont you go back to trying to convince me that the Fort Hood shootings arent terrorist or something equally retarded.

Ya, like how we were in a recession last year. What a retarded thing to try to convince people.

Gan
12-04-2009, 07:47 PM
Wait, so those polls indicate that Obama will not be re-elected because they are consistent with a president that was re-elected.

That is embarassing.

I guess all Obama needs is another 9/11 then. Inorite?

Gan
12-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Ya, like how we were in a recession last year. What a retarded thing to try to convince people.

Exactly!

And remember, the human head weighs 7 pounds.