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Mikalmas
10-21-2009, 03:10 PM
Hot on the heels of a Washington Post/ABC News poll which revealed that only 21% of Americans consider themselves Republicans, a New York Times poll is out today and puts the number even lower: 20%. For the record, both numbers are at the lowest level they've been in decades.

http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/04/only-20-of-americans-identify-as.html


The Republican Shrinkage Problem
The new Washington Post/ABC news poll has all sorts of intriguing numbers in it but when you are looking for clues as to where the two parties stand politically there is only one number to remember: 21.

That's the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).

In that same poll, 35 percent self-identified as Democrats and 38 percent called them Independents.

These numbers come on the heels of Steve Schmidt, former campaign manager for Arizona Sen. John McCain's presidential bid, declaring the Republican party a "shrinking entity" last week -- citing the decline of GOP numbers in the west, northeast and mountain west as evidence.

And they show a somewhat significant decline from even last November's election when exit polls showed 32 percent of voters identifying as Republican as compared to 39 percent for Democrats and 29 percent for independents and others. (A caveat: voters tend to see things through a more partisan lens after having just voted in a presidential election than they do in an April poll.)

The Post poll numbers show the challenge for Republicans in stark terms.

The number of people who see themselves as GOPers is on the decline even as those who remain within the party grow more and more conservative.

That means that the loyal base of the party has an even larger voice in terms of the direction it heads even as more and more empirical evidence piles up that the elevation of voices like former vice president Dick Cheney does little to win over wavering Republicans or recruit Independents back to the GOP cause.

Put simply: Republicans find themselves stuck between a political Scylla and Charybdis -- with apologies to the Police.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/parsing-the-polls/21-percent.html

And another poll (check Page 30): http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-obama-s-100th-day-in-office/original.pdf

Methais
10-21-2009, 03:16 PM
I think a lot of people would vote republican in '10 on the "lesser evil" basis.

They're all boobs on both sides of the aisle though.

4a6c1
10-21-2009, 03:48 PM
Speaking of boobs. We need more vagina in the White House. And then once a month we could call it the Red House.

I dont care who gets up in there as long as they jive with what I care about. Which is family values (see avatar for details). I would totally vote for Vader Poppins.

ElvenFury
10-21-2009, 03:53 PM
Speaking of boobs. We need more vagina in the White House. And then once a month we could call it the Red House.

I dont care who gets up in there as long as they jive with what I care about. Which is family values (see avatar for details). I would totally vote for Vader Poppins.

But I heard Vader Poppins aborted a bunch of jedi kids in their 30th - 50th trimesters. SCANDAL!!

4a6c1
10-21-2009, 04:02 PM
More Evil Propaganda From The ElvenFury Camp. They slander us. They are tricksy.

Abortion is bad mkay? When fetuses get bigger they are funny and cute, and therefore worth all the pushing. Also, you can give them to The Clone Army and never have to see them again if you wanna. No killing the innocents. Unless the innocents are Ewoks.

Atlanteax
10-21-2009, 04:11 PM
You know that the GoP is in trouble these days when they seriously cannot seem to capitalize on continuous bungling by the Democratic Congress (and White House) over the Health Care "reform" Bill and the heavily earmarked stimulus packages.

ElvenFury
10-21-2009, 04:20 PM
Abortion is bad mkay?
I agree, abortion is a waste. It's not until they get big and fat that they're good eats.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/21180/snuffx-dot-com-microwave-baby.jpg

Although you shouldn't wait too long, or they won't fit in the goddamned microwave.

4a6c1
10-21-2009, 04:21 PM
Wait. Serious face for a minute. Mikalmas, arent you even partly upset that Obama hasnt done anything for the gays like he said he would?

I'm not sure if it matters to you but for some of my buddies, Dont ask Dont Tell is a big issue. A deal breaker.

CrystalTears
10-21-2009, 04:22 PM
Wait. Serious face for a minute. Mikalmas, arent you even partly upset that Obama hasnt done anything for the gays like he said he would?

I'm not sure if it matters to you but for some of my buddies, Dont ask Dont Tell is a big issue. A deal breaker.
And pretty fucking ridiculous to not have resolved by now. Just sign off on it.

Mikalmas
10-21-2009, 04:38 PM
Wait. Serious face for a minute. Mikalmas, arent you even partly upset that Obama hasnt done anything for the gays like he said he would?

I'm not sure if it matters to you but for some of my buddies, Dont ask Dont Tell is a big issue. A deal breaker.

Yes, I'm quite disappointed in Obama's utter lack of action so far on gay issues (though in honesty I can't say I expected anything less from a major party candidate), but he isn't actively opposing my rights either the way the religious right and neocons do. Definitely one of those "lesser of two evils" situations.

4a6c1
10-21-2009, 04:40 PM
Agree with first sentence.

Mikalmas
10-21-2009, 04:40 PM
(neg rep) Yeah, Republicans are... 10-21-2009 03:17 PM Everyone votes their party line. EVERYONE.


Bad news for you Republicans then.

EasternBrand
10-21-2009, 08:53 PM
In an extremely scientific poll conducted on the PC, the question of political identification was posed. Out of 32 votes cast as of the time of this post, exactly 0 were cast for "Republican party platform." Of course, "Democratic party platform" also received exactly 0 votes. I'm sure that when election time rolls around, those PC'ers who did not associate themselves most closely with the party platforms will not, for the most part, be voting Right to Life and Green Party down the line.

The big question mark is where those Independents are on the political spectrum, which, at least on page 30 of the NYT poll cited in the article posted, isn't clear. That's not to say that the Republican Party doesn't have retention and support problems, only that I don't immediately believe that the specific question posed in the poll will accurately reflect the level of such problems.

Not to mention how accusatory the question reads on paper: "Generally speaking, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat, an Independent, or what? [emphasis mine]" and the fourth category of answers is basically "I dunno."