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Trouble
10-16-2009, 09:24 AM
Interesting:


Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

By MARY FOSTER, Associated Press Writer Mary Foster, Associated Press Writer – Fri Oct 16, 4:50 am ET

NEW ORLEANS – A white Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have.

Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.
"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.
Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.
"There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage," Bardwell said. "I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it."

If he did an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.
"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.
Bardwell estimates that he has refused to marry about four couples during his career, all in the past 2 1/2 years.

Beth Humphrey, 30, and 32-year-old Terence McKay, both of Hammond, say they will consult the U.S. Justice Department about filing a discrimination complaint.

Humphrey, an account manager for a marketing firm, said she and McKay, a welder, just returned to Louisiana. She is white and he is black. She plans to enroll in the University of New Orleans to pursue a masters degree in minority politics.

"That was one thing that made this so unbelievable," she said. "It's not something you expect in this day and age."

Humphrey said she called Bardwell on Oct. 6 to inquire about getting a marriage license signed. She says Bardwell's wife told her that Bardwell will not sign marriage licenses for interracial couples. Bardwell suggested the couple go to another justice of the peace in the parish who agreed to marry them.

"We are looking forward to having children," Humphrey said. "And all our friends and co-workers have been very supportive. Except for this, we're typical happy newlyweds."

"It is really astonishing and disappointing to see this come up in 2009," said American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana attorney Katie Schwartzmann. She said the Supreme Court ruled in 1967 "that the government cannot tell people who they can and cannot marry."

The ACLU sent a letter to the Louisiana Judiciary Committee, which oversees the state justices of the peace, asking them to investigate Bardwell and recommending "the most severe sanctions available, because such blatant bigotry poses a substantial threat of serious harm to the administration of justice."

"He knew he was breaking the law, but continued to do it," Schwartzmann said.

According to the clerk of court's office, application for a marriage license must be made three days before the ceremony because there is a 72-hour waiting period. The applicants are asked if they have previously been married. If so, they must show how the marriage ended, such as divorce.
Other than that, all they need is a birth certificate and Social Security card.

The license fee is $35, and the license must be signed by a Louisiana minister, justice of the peace or judge. The original is returned to the clerk's office.

"I've been a justice of the peace for 34 years and I don't think I've mistreated anybody," Bardwell said. "I've made some mistakes, but you have too. I didn't tell this couple they couldn't get married. I just told them I wouldn't do it."

(emphasis mine)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff

Mabus
10-16-2009, 09:28 AM
"they use my bathroom"

:rofl:

Gelston
10-16-2009, 09:50 AM
So go to a different Justice of the Peace, minister, or judge. He can refuse them if he wants, however, I think he should be removed from his Government position.

Paradii
10-16-2009, 10:04 AM
Shit even I don't let my black friends use my bathroom. He must be a saint.

ClydeR
10-16-2009, 11:58 AM
If he did an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said. "I try to treat everyone equally," he said.

That was the most interesting part of the article. I imagine this elderly, handicapped JP from an extremely rural area is sincere in his belief that he treats everyone equally. He will marry anybody who asks, without regard to the race of the person who asks, so long as the spouse is of the same race. That's likely not what most people today think "equal" means.

Warriorbird
10-16-2009, 12:16 PM
Stop hitting on ClydeR's player.

TheEschaton
10-16-2009, 12:47 PM
I read another article on CNN today: 3 American hikers were arrested for illegally hiking in Iran, now their mommies are protesting in NYC at the Iranian embassy. They said, "Our kids our just adventerous!!!!!!11one And they made a mistake, they meant to be hiking in Northern Iraq [emphasis mine], and accidently crossed into Iran!"

I'm sorry, what? You were hiking in a war zone, crossed inadvertantly into another country we have seriously poor relations with, and....what? You expect us to not think you're dumbasses?

Sorry, it didn't deserve its own thread. This JP is retarded though. To be fair though, I have a good friend who's black who got engaged to the whitest white boy (a farmer from Ohio) ever, and people in Boston had a problem with it. Actually, mainly black people in Boston had a problem with it.

-TheE-

Sean
10-16-2009, 12:52 PM
I have no idea what the couples religious or social beliefs are, but what does marriage have to do with having children? Do they get more credit in the black and white communities down in Louisiana if they are born out of wedlock?

Clove
10-16-2009, 01:05 PM
1) Since when does Iran have embassies in the US and 2) Why would an Iranian embassy (rather than consulate) be in NYC instead of DC? Are you talking about some shitbox they have in NYC for their UN trips? As far as I recall (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1142.html), we haven't allowed them to have a presence here since the hostage crisis.

http://www.traveldocs.com/ir/embassy.htm

Apparently they have an office in the Pakistani embassy in DC.

Your link discusses the fact that WE don't have an embassy presence in Iran. Just sayin'

AnticorRifling
10-16-2009, 01:16 PM
Googling != recalling.

Keller
10-16-2009, 01:19 PM
But it totally is, Clyde. The radical right, of which you are a member, asserts that, for example, gays do have equal rights: they enjoy the same rights to marry anyone of the opposite gender, just like the right that straight people enjoy. You should totally support the JP, because that's precisely the same argument that the right uses today, and the right used 50 years ago in opposing interracial marriage.

Worth quoting.

Nice point.

AnticorRifling
10-16-2009, 01:21 PM
I thought we treated interacial couples like eggs...you know seperate the whites and beat what's left. When did that change?!

Daniel
10-16-2009, 01:25 PM
1) Since when does Iran have embassies in the US and 2) Why would an Iranian embassy (rather than consulate) be in NYC instead of DC? Are you talking about some shitbox they have in NYC for their UN trips? As far as I recall (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1142.html), we haven't allowed them to have a presence here since the hostage crisis.

Iran undoubtedly has a diplomatic mission to the UN in New York. As all missions to the UN are considered "permanent" the mission would appropriate be called an Embassy.

We don't have official diplomatic ties, so the Swiss represent us in Tehran. Whereas the Pakistani's represent them in Washington.

Paradii
10-16-2009, 02:49 PM
I thought we treated interacial couples like eggs...you know seperate the whites and beat what's left. When did that change?!


I am going to have to use that one sometime. Classic.

Eoghain
10-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Iran undoubtedly has a diplomatic mission to the UN in New York. As all missions to the UN are considered "permanent" the mission would appropriate be called an Embassy.

We don't have official diplomatic ties, so the Swiss represent us in Tehran. Whereas the Pakistani's represent them in Washington.

Um, last I checked when I drove through it on my way to work this morning, the entire city of Beverly Hills is most certainly a giant Persian embassy from Iran.

Gan
10-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Saw this on the news this morning. What an idiot.

4a6c1
10-16-2009, 08:34 PM
Um, last I checked when I drove through it on my way to work this morning, the entire city of Beverly Hills is most certainly a giant Persian embassy from Iran.

:rofl:

Methais
10-16-2009, 08:42 PM
That JP is an idiot.


Actually, mainly black people in Boston had a problem with it.

Undeniable proof that the left is a bunch of racists.

4a6c1
10-16-2009, 09:22 PM
That judge (and ClydeR) are so RIGHT. Brown people dont fit in. They arent black, they arent white. We dont know whether to love them or hate them. Should we call Identity Lock(omg wheres my wallet?!) or the Feds for insider trading. NOBODY KNOWS. Brown people are confusing. Brown people baby factories should be illegal. Like the gays. See, God made sure they couldnt have kids. And a good thing too. JesusBabyDaddy is super smart.

EasternBrand
11-03-2009, 06:57 PM
Update: JP quits.


BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- A Louisiana justice of the peace who refused to marry a couple because the bride was white and groom was black resigned Tuesday.

Keith Bardwell, who is white, quit the post with a one-sentence statement to Louisiana Secretary of State Jay Dardenne and no explanation of his decision: ''I do hereby resign the office of Justice of the Peace for the Eighth Ward of Tangipahoa Parish, Louisiana, effective November 3, 2009.''

Bardwell refused to perform the ceremony for Beth Humphrey and Terence McKay because they are of different races.

When questioned about his refusal, Bardwell acknowledged he routinely recuses himself from marrying interracial couples because he believes such marriages cause harm to the couples' children. In interviews, he said he refers such couples to other justices of the peace, who then perform the ceremony, which happened in this case.

Humphrey has said she and McKay received their marriage license from the parish clerk of court, where they also received a list of people qualified to perform the ceremony. When she called Bardwell's office to ask about the ceremony on Oct. 6, Humphrey said Bardwell's wife told her that the justice wouldn't sign their marriage license because they were a ''mixed couple.''

Bardwell didn't immediately return a call for comment Tuesday about his resignation, which followed calls for his ouster from several public officials, including Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu.

Humphrey and McKay have filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Bardwell.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/03/us/AP-US-Interracial-Rebuff.html?hp

Rocktar
11-04-2009, 08:30 AM
Wow. A judicial official that recuses himself from cases where his own moral or ethical standards won't allow him to render a fair or impartial service to the community AND who believes strongly enough in his own moral and ethical code to quit rather than compromise it? Despite the fact that his stance is racist, isn't this the overall kind of thing we are lacking in our public officials? Pretty sad really.

And no theE and Latrine, I haven't forgotten about you two and your pile of philosophical manure, I just haven't given enough of a shit when I am not worn out from work to drive my truck through the holes in your asinine "logic". Don't worry, I will get back to you on it all.

Paradii
11-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Wow. A judicial official that recuses himself from cases where his own moral or ethical standards won't allow him to render a fair or impartial service to the community AND who believes strongly enough in his own moral and ethical code to quit rather than compromise it? Despite the fact that his stance is racist, isn't this the overall kind of thing we are lacking in our public officials? Pretty sad really.

And no theE and Latrine, I haven't forgotten about you two and your pile of philosophical manure, I just haven't given enough of a shit when I am not worn out from work to drive my truck through the holes in your asinine "logic". Don't worry, I will get back to you on it all.


Yeah, this guy was a real saint.....

CrystalTears
11-04-2009, 10:59 AM
Despite the fact that his stance is racist, isn't this the overall kind of thing we are lacking in our public officials? Pretty sad really.No, your post is sad.

Tsa`ah
11-04-2009, 12:37 PM
The guy was a public official that ignored the law.

He took on the role knowing the law and knowing it was his responsibility to keep himself informed of law and any changes to it.

He chose to break the law and then chose to resign rather than get corn holed by both the state and the people he discriminated against.

Rocktar
11-05-2009, 09:21 AM
His main offense is that he broke the unwritten rule that you don't speak the truth about racial relations in the US. Had he been smart, he would simply say "no, I won't marry you" and left it at that. Which, a JP can do, for any reason they choose. Just like judges, ministers and so on.

TheEschaton
11-05-2009, 11:45 AM
No, his main offense is denying two citizens due process of law, in violation of the Constitution, because of his racist views.

EasternBrand
11-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

I knew I'd find it somewhere.

TheEschaton
11-05-2009, 12:17 PM
But Earl Warren was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST!!!

Keller
11-05-2009, 12:18 PM
But Earl Warren was a HIPPIE COMMUNIST!!!

I think you forgot:

1. Marxist
2. Liberal
3. Socialist
4. Nutjob

TheEschaton
11-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Damn, I thought all those were covered by either Hippie and/or Communist.

Keller
11-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Negative, ghost rider.

EasternBrand
11-05-2009, 01:02 PM
Don't forget:

5. Flaming

Latrinsorm
11-05-2009, 10:13 PM
Which, a JP can do, for any reason they choose. Just like judges, ministers and so on.I think you may be confusing real life with Judge Dredd.