Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Mabus

10-09-2009, 05:33 AM

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize - Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5981JK20091009)

An excerpt:

OSLO (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for giving the world "hope for a better future" with his work for peace and calls to reduce the global stockpile of nuclear weapons.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee praised Obama for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."

The first African-American to hold his country's highest office, Obama has called for disarmament and worked to restart the stalled Middle East peace process since taking office in January.

"Very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said in a citation.

It awarded the prize to Obama less than nine months into his presidency. Despite setting out an ambitious international agenda, he has yet to score any breakthrough on the Middle East or Iran's nuclear program, and faces difficult choices on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan.

Congratulations, Mr. President.

Reawing

10-09-2009, 05:35 AM

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize - Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5981JK20091009)

An excerpt:

Congratulations, Mr. President.

I hope he gives the $1.4 million prize to the taxpayers. I don't understand how a year of peaceful rhetoric earns you a Nobel Peace Prize. But then again, the Nobel Prize has gone to some strange people... Yasser Arafat anyone?

-Reawing

Xanator

10-09-2009, 06:05 AM

Haha. I'm glad this went to an American, and everything, but I have to feel like I'm as personally deserving as he is. It's a bit hard to believe.

Daniel

10-09-2009, 06:06 AM

Although I will say this seems a bit "premature" to say the least, I wouldn't go as far as Xanator's (typical) idiocy.

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 07:06 AM

Although I will say this seems a bit "premature" to say the least, I wouldn't go as far as Xanator's (typical) idiocy.

A bit premature? With the deadline of February 1st, that's like 8 days since becoming President.

:rofl: The award is a complete joke.

Well, Congrats Obama.. you got someone else on "hope and change".

Revalos

10-09-2009, 07:20 AM

Wow...that is kind of fucked up. Cheapens the award tremendously to those who actually deserved it in the past.

I don't have many issues with what Obama has done so far...but neither have I seen anything worthy of a fucking Nobel Peace Prize.

Mabus

10-09-2009, 07:29 AM

A bit premature? With the deadline of February 1st, that's like 8 days since becoming President.

:rofl: The award is a complete joke.

Well, Congrats Obama.. you got someone else on "hope and change".
Before February 3rd for the Peace Prize.

NocturnalRob

10-09-2009, 07:32 AM

even the NNC had a hard time justifying this award. it's pretty much a goddamned farce.

radamanthys

10-09-2009, 07:38 AM

Hahaha. It's funny cuz it's lame.

Gan

10-09-2009, 07:50 AM

This is for real? I thought someone threw up an Onion story or something.

:facepalm:

AnticorRifling

10-09-2009, 07:54 AM

I'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish but I just wanted to say that Beyonce is the most peaceful black person of all time.

CrystalTears

10-09-2009, 08:16 AM

Drew

10-09-2009, 08:56 AM

g++

10-09-2009, 09:07 AM

I'm happy for you and I'm gonna let you finish but I just wanted to say that Beyonce is the most peaceful black person of all time.

^^

Atlanteax

10-09-2009, 09:14 AM

http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/2009-10-09.gif

Atlanteax

10-09-2009, 09:16 AM

A UK newspaper's take on the (ridiculous) decision:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece

Comment: absurd decision on Obama makes a mockery of the Nobel peace prize

The award of this year’s Nobel peace prize to President Obama will be met with widespread incredulity, consternation in many capitals and probably deep embarrassment by the President himself.

Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.

Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.

The pretext for the prize was Mr Obama’s decision to “strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples”. Many people will point out that, while the President has indeed promised to “reset” relations with Russia and offer a fresh start to relations with the Muslim world, there is little so far to show for his fine words.

The choice of Dr Henry Kissinger and Mr Le Duc Tho as joint winners of the Nobel peace prize continued to provoke criticism today

East-West relations are little better than they were six months ago, and any change is probably due largely to the global economic downturn; and America’s vaunted determination to re-engage with the Muslim world has failed to make any concrete progress towards ending the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

There is a further irony in offering a peace prize to a president whose principal preoccupation at the moment is when and how to expand the war in Afghanistan.

The spectacle of Mr Obama mounting the podium in Oslo to accept a prize that once went to Nelson Mandela, Aung San Suu Kyi and Mother Theresa would be all the more absurd if it follows a White House decision to send up to 40,000 more US troops to Afghanistan. However just such a war may be deemed in Western eyes, Muslims would not be the only group to complain that peace is hardly compatible with an escalation in hostilities.

The Nobel committee has made controversial awards before. Some have appeared to reward hope rather than achievement: the 1976 prize for the two peace campaigners in Northern Ireland, Betty Williams and Mairead Corrigan, was clearly intended to send a signal to the two battling communities in Ulster. But the political influence of the two winners turned out, sadly, to be negligible.

In the Middle East, the award to Menachem Begin of Israel and Anwar Sadat of Egypt in 1978 also looks, in retrospect, as naive as the later award to Yassir Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin — although it could be argued that both the Camp David and Oslo accords, while not bringing peace, were at least attempts to break the deadlock.

Mr Obama’s prize is more likely, however, to be compared with the most contentious prize of all: the 1973 prize to Henry Kissinger and Le Duc Tho for their negotiations to end the Vietnam war. Dr Kissinger was branded a warmonger for his support for the bombing campaign in Cambodia; and the Vietnamese negotiator was subsequently seen as a liar whose government never intended to honour a peace deal but was waiting for the moment to attack South Vietnam.

Mr Obama becomes the third sitting US President to receive the prize. The committee said today that he had “captured the world’s attention”. It is certainly true that his energy and aspirations have dazzled many of his supporters. Sadly, it seems they have so bedazzled the Norwegians that they can no longer separate hopes from achievement. The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished.

Atlanteax

10-09-2009, 09:18 AM

Sadly, it seems they have so bedazzled the Norwegians that they can no longer separate hopes from achievement. The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished.

A fair assessment, I'd say.

Androidpk

10-09-2009, 09:28 AM

I thought this thread was going to be about a joke. Turns out I was right.

EasternBrand

10-09-2009, 09:38 AM

Those schoolteachers are going to have to rewrite those song lyrics fast. Quick, what rhymes with Nobel Peace Prize?

Mabus

10-09-2009, 09:52 AM

Those schoolteachers are going to have to rewrite those song lyrics fast. Quick, what rhymes with Nobel Peace Prize?
Socialize?

Androidpk

10-09-2009, 10:00 AM

Socialize?

:lol:

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 10:01 AM

Those schoolteachers are going to have to rewrite those song lyrics fast. Quick, what rhymes with Nobel Peace Prize?

This SERIOUSLY dispels the crazy notion that Obama has accomplished nothing.

NOW WHUT!?

Ravenstorm

10-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Despite all the haters making jokes about this...

...

Ah hell. I got nothing. This is ridiculous. No way in hell should he have won. He's all talk, little to no action. Every other nominee who's actually accomplished something should be pissed off.

Androidpk

10-09-2009, 10:08 AM

Dear fellow humans. Inspired by our glorious leader I have decided to do the following.

End poverty.
End all current and future wars.
End the corruption in government and capitalism.
Find a cancer for cancer and the common cold.
Release monks in Gemstone.
Put Diablo 3 in stores by this summer.

Do I get a prize now?

AnticorRifling

10-09-2009, 10:13 AM

Find a cancer for cancer and the common cold.
Do I get a prize now?
Fuck a cure I'm giving cancer CANCER!

Drew

10-09-2009, 10:23 AM

Fuck a cure I'm giving cancer CANCER!

LOL beat me too it you roidy bastard.

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 10:27 AM

I'm awaiting Michael Moore's nobel prize for a documentary. It's long overdue.

PS - At least Michael Moore DID something....

Clove

10-09-2009, 10:34 AM

I just think that when a famous person wins the Nobel Peace prize the initial reaction should be "Oh, very nice" not "Oh, for what?".

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 10:44 AM

So... do you think he will accept this award or do you think he will refuse it?

Personally, I think he should refuse it... stating the same reasons that most sane people have said.. that in 2 weeks, there's nothing that he did to justify such an award.

I doubt his ego would do such a thing.. and he will somehow justify his acceptance as things he plans on doing.

NocturnalRob

10-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 10:58 AM

He would win huge points from me (which mean precisely nothing) if he refused it on the aforementioned grounds. Hopefully his political team can convince him to do just that.

BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO OFFEND THE EUROPEANS AFTER YOU WORKED SO HARD TO WIN THEM OVER!!!

Make no mistake.. he wouldn't win shit from me since he knew back when he took office that his flunkies were nominating him. He should have stopped it right there and said "WTF have I done!?"

If he refuses the award, it will be because he believes he can get something positive from doing so... not because it's the right thing to do.

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 11:07 AM

Cynical as always, and further proof that any attempts your political opponents might make to be bipartisan are completely wasted on a tool like you: In your eyes, no matter what Obama does, it's either misguided liberal folly, or opportunistic machinations/pandering. You're an idiot.

And Obama does not deserve the Nobel Prize for anything he's done to date.

Easy does it Twink... you are starting off this "civil" debate pretty early and I'm bored as hell right now.

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 11:19 AM

Awe! He accepted it for all of America!! It's a CALL TO ACTION AWARD!!!

I wonder if I'm getting any of that 1.4 million bucks...

Clove

10-09-2009, 11:47 AM

Awe! He accepted it for all of America!! It's a CALL TO ACTION AWARD!!!

I wonder if I'm getting any of that 1.4 million bucks...Maybe in the form of a 90 cent tax break. I expect the money (and any other gifts associated) from the prize itself has to be declared and surrendered.

TheEschaton

10-09-2009, 03:07 PM

Wow.

This is the same Nobel committee that, even after giving his life, didn't award the Peace Prize to Mahatma Gandhi?

Yeah, bullshit. I remember why I enthusiastically supported Hillary now.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-09-2009, 03:11 PM

TheEschaton

10-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Gandhi was assassinated. ;)

Some Rogue

10-09-2009, 03:34 PM

So then it was taken more than it was given? :P

Some Rogue

10-09-2009, 03:41 PM

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I’ve been everything you want to be
I’m the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I’m the smiling face on your t.v.
I’m the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I’m the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set you free

:whistle:

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-09-2009, 03:51 PM

In living color?

Some Rogue

10-09-2009, 03:52 PM

Living Colour...close! hehe

Drunken Durfin

10-09-2009, 03:53 PM

I used to have a lot of respect for the Nobel Prize.

Shocked, dismayed, disappointed.

Drunken Durfin

10-09-2009, 03:55 PM

In living color?

Well, they were a black comedy troupe that did parodies. Obama getting the prize does fit that formula.

Reawing

10-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-09-2009, 04:04 PM

What if I plan on releasing monks and savants?

I can has prize now?

Reawing

10-09-2009, 04:09 PM

What if I plan on releasing monks and savants?

I can has prize now?

If you release them in time for next year's award, I promise, I will actually send a letter to the Nobel committee with my own appeal to make you the recipient.

-Reawing

Kembal

10-09-2009, 04:38 PM

It's definitely premature. If he's able to follow through with at least some of his foreign policy initiatives (and wind down Afghanistan and Iraq clearly), then yeah, it makes sense. But for now? It's a bit too aspirational.

As for the Feb. nomination deadline, that's a bit of a non-starter. Anyone can submit a nomination. But that doesn't mean the committee is prohibited from considering anything that happens after Feb. 1, and they obviously considered his various speeches and diplomatic efforts momentous enough.

Refusing it, though, would've been stupid. Domestic politics aside, poking the Europeans in the eye doesn't seem rather smart.

crb

10-09-2009, 05:41 PM

Bush should get credit for ending Iraq, it was his surge that achieved victory, and he started the drawdown in troops, as well as signing the status of forces agreement. You wouldn't give a reliever a win who pitched one inning when the starter pitched 8 innings and didn't let up any runs.

As for the Nobel Prize, all I have to say is this. Somewhere, somehow, deep in the seedy portions of Washington DC, at a back alley tavern, sitting at the bar, crying into his whiskey, a teleprompter is saying "It should have been me."

BigWorm

10-09-2009, 05:43 PM

Wow.

This is the same Nobel committee that, even after giving his life, didn't award the Peace Prize to Mahatma Gandhi?

Yeah, bullshit. I remember why I enthusiastically supported Hillary now.

Nobel Prizes are only awarded to living people, so they couldn't have awarded it to him the year he was assassinated (1948), even though he was nominated before he was murdered. Also, the committee didn't award a prize that year citing something like there was no suitable living candidate, which is probably the closest thing to a posthumous award. Of course, this has nothing to do with why he didn't win it the other what, 3? times he was nominated before that and I can't say there have been many more deserving people than himself.

BigWorm

10-09-2009, 05:46 PM

I thought Morgan Tsvangirai was going to win, he's the opposition leader in Zimbabwae. He's someone who deserves the award and has worked for more than 11 days toward it. He's been tortured, arrested, jailed, forced into exile, had family members and associates killed and still stuck with Zimbabwae. What has Obama done compared to a man like him?

Totally agree that Tsvangirai should have been a shoe-in. I mean, it might be one thing if there were no deserving candidates but with what Tsvangirai was been through and achieved, he has most definitely deserved it. One reason I heard cite today for giving Obama the prize was to lend more gravity to his efforts. I think Tsvangirai could use that a lot more than Obama.

Kembal

10-09-2009, 05:56 PM

Totally agree that Tsvangirai should have been a shoe-in. I mean, it might be one thing if there were no deserving candidates but with what Tsvangirai was been through and achieved, he has most definitely deserved it. One reason I heard cite today for giving Obama the prize was to lend more gravity to his efforts. I think Tsvangirai could use that a lot more than Obama.

I agree with this, though with the brainwashing Mugabe's gotten his followers to believe in over there, getting an award from Europeans might have hurt Tsvangirai.

Tisket

10-09-2009, 06:16 PM

Word on the street is that Paris Hilton is up for a NPP next year.

Seriously though, as silly as I think it is that he was given this award (jesus, for having ideals?? I have fucking ideals but noone is giving ME a NPP, bastards) Obama isn't taking the prize away from some chemist who cured cancer or something. They get their own Nobel's.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't really give a shit either way. In the past decade, I can name exactly two winners with any certainty.

Parkbandit

10-09-2009, 06:19 PM

BigWorm

10-09-2009, 06:36 PM

I agree with this, though with the brainwashing Mugabe's gotten his followers to believe in over there, getting an award from Europeans might have hurt Tsvangirai.

Good point. Mugabe is so fucked up.

TheEschaton

10-09-2009, 06:43 PM

He was also nominated in 37, 38, 39, and 47, and never won it. In addition to the 48 nomination, which was right before he died.

The winners in those years:

37: Lord Algernon
38: Nansen International Office for Refugees
39-43: not awarded because of WWII
47: Friends Service Council/American Friends Service Committee

The plan fact of the matter is, the NNC didn't award a Nobel Peace Prize outside of the Western World until Albert Lutuli in 1960.

Androidpk

10-09-2009, 06:55 PM

At least some charity is getting $1.4 million, that's always good.

Androidpk

10-09-2009, 06:56 PM

Also.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1318222/testify.jpg

Gan

10-09-2009, 07:46 PM

LOL

*On a side note, if I were Gore (thankfully I'm not), I would be extremely pissed with this awarding as it has really really cheapened an already tarnished award. Sadly enough, 1.4 million dollars is not something lightly thrown back (like a homerun ball from an opponent), so seeing someone making a statement of refusing/returning the award seems highly unlikely anytime soon.

Latrinsorm

10-09-2009, 08:39 PM

I used to have a lot of respect for the Nobel Prize.Why?
You wouldn't give a reliever a win who pitched one inning when the starter pitched 8 innings and didn't let up any runs.Actually you would if the starter didn't receive any run support and the reliever did. L2baseball plz.
The plan fact of the matter is, the NNC didn't award a Nobel Peace Prize outside of the Western World until Albert Lutuli in 1960.I was going to say, why is anyone surprised that these guys didn't give a deserving African the award? Europe isn't the most xenophilic place in the world.

4a6c1

10-09-2009, 10:54 PM

Also.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1318222/testify.jpg

WIN.

He did get on teevee and act all perplexed with a George Bush look of confusion on his face and admit to having not earned it. Classy at least.

But I learned something today. The George Bush look of confusion can only be done properly by George Bush.

Tisket

10-09-2009, 11:42 PM

Word on the street is that Paris Hilton is up for a NPP next year.

Got this rep comment for the above post:

Obama wins Nobel Peace... 10-09-2009 07:23 PM Yeah, because an inspirational "first" President is on the same level as a trashy coke-whore. You stupid cunt.

They've both accomplished pretty much nothing. Except Paris hasn't made or broken any promises. So why isn't she as deserving a Nobel prize?

P.S. Learn to laugh at silly shit, you stupid moron.

Androidpk

10-10-2009, 12:51 AM

P.S. Learn to laugh at silly shit, you stupid moran.

Fixed this for you.

Back

10-10-2009, 01:01 AM

diethx

10-10-2009, 01:03 AM

They've both accomplished pretty much nothing.

I totally agree that Obama doesn't in any way deserve the NPP and this whole thing is a joke, and I saw your previous comment to be a joke, but to say he hasn't accomplished anything and put him on par with Paris Hilton in that response is pretty silly. While it's not deserving of any awards, he did get elected president. That's a fair accomplishment i'd say.

Ravenstorm

10-10-2009, 01:06 AM

He also doesn't have a sex tape. Though I'm not entirely sure if that's a plus or minus.

Reawing

10-10-2009, 01:07 AM

I totally agree that Obama doesn't in any way deserve the NPP and this whole thing is a joke, and I saw your previous comment to be a joke, but to say he hasn't accomplished anything and put him on par with Paris Hilton in that response is pretty silly. While it's not deserving of any awards, he did get elected president. That's a fair accomplishment i'd say.

Its also true that he has inspired millions of Americans (and those abroad). My guess is that the Nobel Committee viewed America's fundamental shift in rhetoric as the most fucking wonderful thing on Earth and decided to use the prize as a way to recognize that they all want to have a big European orgy with him and his wife.

Bobmuhthol

10-10-2009, 01:24 AM

Tea & Strumpets

10-10-2009, 02:04 AM

I hope he wins a Grammy.

Androidpk

10-10-2009, 02:30 AM

I hope he wins a gold medal at the Olympics.

radamanthys

10-10-2009, 03:00 AM

If there was ever a sign of the apocalypse... this is it! Obama is fighting two wars and is the great deceiver!

rofl.

Seriously folks. If you applaud when our president fails and boo when he wins your either fucking stone stupid or live in another country.

Not when he's winning an award for dismantling the power of the country.

Prediction: The 1.4 million will go to the ACORN legal defense fund.

Daniel

10-10-2009, 03:06 AM

Not when he's winning an award for dismantling the power of the country.

Prediction: The 1.4 million will go to the ACORN legal defense fund.

What exactly do you think "the power of this country" is? and how do you think Obama is dismantling it?

Lord Orbstar

10-10-2009, 03:44 AM

Fixed this for you.

LoL. Now we all know who the mystery negative repper is that constantly misspells "Moron" as "Moran". TISKET! Shame on you for the phantom neg repping!

You have been outted by the Android. :thanx:

Methais

10-10-2009, 03:48 AM

it's the right thing to do.

http://www.horrorshirts.com/images/OATMEAL/oatmeal.gif

radamanthys

10-10-2009, 04:14 AM

What exactly do you think "the power of this country" is? and how do you think Obama is dismantling it?

I don't have time to go into a lengthy diatribe. Let's leave it at 'capitalism'.

Gan

10-10-2009, 09:27 AM

Seriously folks. If you applaud when our president fails and boo when he wins your either fucking stone stupid or live in another country.

So exactly how did Obama fail WR2 the NPP?

If anything, the NPP failed in this instance (and previous others...).

Clove

10-10-2009, 09:54 AM

If there was ever a sign of the apocalypse... this is it! Obama is fighting two wars and is the great deceiver!

rofl.

Seriously folks. If you applaud when our president fails and boo when he wins your either fucking stone stupid or live in another country.You're a tool. Praise and awards for meritless achievements simply because of the promises of a charismatic leader should concern everyone. This is how dictators that can "do no wrong" and are beyond all criticism" are made.

4a6c1

10-10-2009, 10:33 AM

Greetings from Deathstar. We come bearing history.

The Nomination Database for the Nobel Prize
in Peace, 1901-1956
Year: 1939
Number: 9-1

Nominee:
Name: Adolf Hitler
Gender: M
Year, birth: 1889
Year, death: 1945
Profession/Category: Chancellor and Führer of Germany (1933-1945).
City: Berlin
Country: DE (GERMANY)

Motivation: Hitler was the leader of the German Nationalist Socialist Party.

Nominator:

Name: E.G.C. Brandt
Gender: M
Profession/Category: Member of the Swedish parliament
Country: SE (SWEDEN)

Evaluation: No

Comment: The nomination was withdrawn in a letter of February 1, 1939.

crb

10-10-2009, 10:42 AM

<<You wouldn't give a reliever a win who pitched one inning when the starter pitched 8 innings and didn't let up any runs.>>

To echo what Latrinsorm said, yeah, you would give that reliever a win if he was pitching when his team took the lead and won. Definitely l2baseball.

I understand baseball. You apparently do not understand Iraq if you think we didn't start winning until Obama came into office, changed the strategy, hired a new general, signed a status of forces agreement putting an end date to us being there, and then started to bring the troops home.

Bush did all of those things, Obama did none of them. Obama is just continuing the withdrawal Bush started, thanks to the victory Bush achieved, a victory that would have not been achieved if Bush had lost in 2004 or had listened to the left in 2006 and 2007 when there was surge opposition.

This was not that long ago, you cannot be so braindamaged as to have forgotten this.

Parkbandit

10-10-2009, 10:45 AM

I understand baseball. You apparently do not understand Iraq if you think we didn't start winning until Obama came into office, changed the strategy, hired a new general, signed a status of forces agreement putting an end date to us being there, and then started to bring the troops home.

Bush did all of those things, Obama did none of them. Obama is just continuing the withdrawal Bush started, thanks to the victory Bush achieved, a victory that would have not been achieved if Bush had lost in 2004 or had listened to the left in 2006 and 2007 when there was surge opposition.

This was not that long ago, you cannot be so braindamaged as to have forgotten this.

I don't think Bob was referring to Iraq at all.. and more making fun of your really bad metaphor.

Parkbandit

10-10-2009, 10:55 AM

If there was ever a sign of the apocalypse... this is it! Obama is fighting two wars and is the great deceiver!

rofl.

Seriously folks. If you applaud when our president fails and boo when he wins your either fucking stone stupid or live in another country.

Wait.. are you saying that you were always siding with George W Bush and never, ever wanted him to fail?

You'll excuse me while I laugh in your general direction.

Euler

10-10-2009, 10:56 AM

I was blinded in a freak gasoline accident. I touched an Obama campaign poster and was healed. Just saying.

crb

10-10-2009, 11:30 AM

I don't think Bob was referring to Iraq at all.. and more making fun of your really bad metaphor.

The metaphor was 100% correct.

I did mention the starter had pitched a shutout. I guess I didn't say the other pitcher also wasn't pitching a shutout, but I assumed you'd understand that and not parse words like this guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_946UeHW88HA/RpBhO7MLxfI/AAAAAAAAAEU/VjB9bSS2ABA/s200/neil.jpg

"Well technically while you, ahem, implied that success was achieved in the first 8 innings, since you did not, specifically, ahem, say that, ahem it was, sniff, that well your metaphor is incorrect."

I suppose to be safe I need to be explicit in everything I say and not assume any reading comprehension skills in my target audience? Or maybe you're just autistic and its not your fault you don't pick up on social cues.

Keller

10-10-2009, 11:49 AM

The metaphor was 50% correct.

I did mention the starter had pitched a shutout. I guess I didn't say the other pitcher also wasn't pitching a shutout, because I didn't really understand the analogy.

Agreed.

AnticorRifling

10-10-2009, 11:49 AM

That pic of Neil you linked is him taking his retainer out and telling Meg to "Run my little rabbit" in the very smooth bass voice, I don't think it fits what you're trying to say.

Tisket

10-10-2009, 12:20 PM

Parkbandit

10-10-2009, 12:27 PM

The metaphor was 100% correct.

I did mention the starter had pitched a shutout. I guess I didn't say the other pitcher also wasn't pitching a shutout, but I assumed you'd understand that and not parse words like this guy:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_946UeHW88HA/RpBhO7MLxfI/AAAAAAAAAEU/VjB9bSS2ABA/s200/neil.jpg

"Well technically while you, ahem, implied that success was achieved in the first 8 innings, since you did not, specifically, ahem, say that, ahem it was, sniff, that well your metaphor is incorrect."

I suppose to be safe I need to be explicit in everything I say and not assume any reading comprehension skills in my target audience? Or maybe you're just autistic and its not your fault you don't pick up on social cues.

Seriously.. you are acting like Tsa'ah at this point. You were wrong, still are wrong and just can't get over it.

Instead of blaming the readers of reading comprehension issues, maybe you should be more concerned about your lack of effective communication skills.

4a6c1

10-10-2009, 12:28 PM

Interesting.

>
So who has the power to nominate a laureate? The group has been broadened in recent years to include former Nobel laureates; current and former members of the Nobel Committee; members of national assemblies and governments from around the world; university professors of history, political science, philosophy, law, and theology; and members of international courts of law.

The wide range of potential nominators makes for some unlikely choices annually. Among the ranks of those whose names were reportedly dropped in the hat this year: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Cuban leader Fidel Castro. (Past nominees have included dictators Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin.)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113662477&ps=cprs

Also:

In announcing the winner in Oslo on Friday, Committee Chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said: "Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future."

I wonder if The Chairman realizes how torn Obamas own fellow citizens are on the genuine nature of his 'hope and change'. It might look like he has done something from such a distance but up close nothing is happening.

Back

10-10-2009, 12:32 PM

You're a tool. Praise and awards for meritless achievements simply because of the promises of a charismatic leader should concern everyone. This is how dictators that can "do no wrong" and are beyond all criticism" are made.

Claiming Obama is anything close to being a dictator is utterly absurd. I’d call you a tool but even a tool is useful once in a while.

Back

10-10-2009, 12:36 PM

Wait.. are you saying that you were always siding with George W Bush and never, ever wanted him to fail?

You'll excuse me while I laugh in your general direction.

It does not matter what I post. You will ignore it and make shit up anyway.

But I can honestly say I’ve never wanted GWB to fail. Never.

TheEschaton

10-10-2009, 12:56 PM

crb, if you think G.W. was pitching a shutout thru the first 8 innings, you're retarded.

Euler

10-10-2009, 01:06 PM

you are all missing the point. Obama is seen as a bringer of peace by the world. He is also going to regulate how money if lent and borrowed and spent. He is clearly the Beast. Lord Paco, back me up?

Gan

10-10-2009, 01:12 PM

So only the people with the mark gets the bailout money?

4a6c1

10-10-2009, 01:35 PM

Wait wait wait, what's the mark. I might already have it. Does it look like a blue donkey dick? If so I would like to switch sides.

AnticorRifling

10-10-2009, 01:44 PM

Wait wait wait, what's the mark. I might already have it. Does it look like a blue donkey dick? If so I would like to switch sides.

Shit that makes me a mascot.

Parkbandit

10-10-2009, 01:50 PM

It does not matter what I post. You will ignore it and make shit up anyway.

But I can honestly say I’ve never wanted GWB to fail. Never.

So, you supported his tax cuts, his response to 9-11, Iraq war, SCOTUS nominations, etc..?

I HOPE Obama's drive towards socialism fails.. Much like I hoped Bush's amnesty bill failed.

Your stand on Bush's administration is well documented on these forums... And it was far from supportive.

Androidpk

10-10-2009, 02:27 PM

Wait wait wait, what's the mark. I might already have it. Does it look like a blue donkey dick? If so I would like to switch sides.

Depends on if the mark is on the left side or right side..

crb

10-10-2009, 07:45 PM

crb, if you think G.W. was pitching a shutout thru the first 8 innings, you're retarded.

You're missing the point worse than a guy with a 2 inch dick trying to have sex with a 600 pound woman.

The question was whether or not Obama was responsible for the victory and troop withdrawal from Iraq. Considering the surge succeeded, the troops started withdrawing, and the status of forces agreement was signed (thus mandating a deadline), all prior to him taking office, it is obviously not his victory.

Kyra231

10-10-2009, 08:55 PM

Wait wait wait, what's the mark. I might already have it. Does it look like a blue donkey dick? If so I would like to switch sides.

:rofl: I can't rep you yet, damn.

Tisket

10-10-2009, 09:32 PM

LoL. Now we all know who the mystery negative repper is that constantly misspells "Moron" as "Moran". TISKET! Shame on you for the phantom neg repping!

You have been outted by the Android. :thanx:

It's already been established that Lilmngrone is the Moran bandit. You need to pay better attention. I've been spelling that word correctly for years. Don't make me use it on you.

Clove

10-10-2009, 11:56 PM

I never knew the Olympic Committee was more exclusive than the Nobel Foundation... huh.

Back

10-11-2009, 12:40 AM

So, you supported his tax cuts, his response to 9-11, Iraq war, SCOTUS nominations, etc..?

I HOPE Obama's drive towards socialism fails.. Much like I hoped Bush's amnesty bill failed.

Your stand on Bush's administration is well documented on these forums... And it was far from supportive.

Christ I feel like I’m dealing with a child...

Disagreeing with someone does not mean you want to see them (or us in this case) fail or fall flat on their (our) face. Unless you are in third grade or Rush Limbaugh or bizarrely twisted.

Yes my disagreement with the Bush administration is well documented here and I am not ashamed at all about it. Did I want him or this country to fail because I disagreed with his administration’s decisions?

I am going to repeat myself and put it in simpler terms for you since you can’t seem to wrap your head around big concepts...

No.

Tell you what... why don’t you go play your cartoon games and leave adult talk to those of us mature enough to know what we are talking about.

diethx

10-11-2009, 01:31 AM

Yay, he got a job. BFD.

I'd facepalm if I thought you were serious.

radamanthys

10-11-2009, 02:34 AM

Christ I feel like I’m dealing with a child...

Disagreeing with someone does not mean you want to see them (or us in this case) fail or fall flat on their (our) face. Unless you are in third grade or Rush Limbaugh or bizarrely twisted.

Yes my disagreement with the Bush administration is well documented here and I am not ashamed at all about it. Did I want him or this country to fail because I disagreed with his administration’s decisions?

I am going to repeat myself and put it in simpler terms for you since you can’t seem to wrap your head around big concepts...

No.

Tell you what... why don’t you go play your cartoon games and leave adult talk to those of us mature enough to know what we are talking about.

Sounds like you're explaining Obama as a CEO re-branding a core product. If the re-branding fails, the company loses and goes under. If someone doesn't like the new product in the company, they can suck it up and support the effort anyway- it's their company and livelihood, too.

But really, it's like a very vocal minority trying to stop 'new coke' before it happens.

Parkbandit

10-11-2009, 07:54 AM

Christ I feel like I’m dealing with a child...

The only thing I see here is a regurgitation of someone else's retort towards one of your posts. Probably mine... since you obviously have the intellectual capacity of a 12 year old retarded kid.

Disagreeing with someone does not mean you want to see them (or us in this case) fail or fall flat on their (our) face. Unless you are in third grade or Rush Limbaugh or bizarrely twisted.

That was my point, idiot. What was yours again? YOU are the one that equated disagreeing with Obama as wanting to see him fail. Let me just make sure I understand your stupidity one more time:

Disagreeing with Bush = Just disagreeing with Bush policies.
Disagreeing with Obama = You are a racist and you want him to fail!!!!111oneone

Seriously, STFU if that is the best you have.

Yes my disagreement with the Bush administration is well documented here and I am not ashamed at all about it. Did I want him or this country to fail because I disagreed with his administration’s decisions?

See comment above. You are an idiot.

I am going to repeat myself and put it in simpler terms for you since you can’t seem to wrap your head around big concepts...

No.

Tell you what... why don’t you go play your cartoon games and leave adult talk to those of us mature enough to know what we are talking about.

I doubt there are many people who qualify you as anything close to a normal adult.

Clove

10-11-2009, 08:47 AM

Tisket

10-11-2009, 10:04 AM

I'd facepalm if I thought you were serious.

I'm not going to use italics every time I make a fucking joke. People need to pay more attention to sigs. I don't like using tags.

Daniel

10-11-2009, 10:04 AM

Ah, classic. If you criticize it means you're just a hater and want America and the administration to fail at any cost. Don't address the criticism just simply label the critic a crank (which is such an air-tight defense; how do you prove you DON'T hate something?). Gotta love it. It wasn't acceptable when Bush Jr. did it, but somehow it's so much more fashionable now.

This may or may not have something to do with people explicitly saying that they hope he "fails" and then being happy when something doesn't happen that would only benefit America, simply because he was involved in some capacity.

Crazy talk, I know. But I'm just saying.

Keller

10-11-2009, 11:40 AM

This may or may not have something to do with people explicitly saying that they hope he "fails" and then being happy when something doesn't happen that would only benefit America, simply because he was involved in some capacity.

Crazy talk, I know. But I'm just saying.

Agreed.

I think the Olympics was pretty telling. And now this.

It's not like the man lobbied for getting the NPP. It was given to him. Should he give it back? Can you imagine the field day the three headed partisan machine of Rush/Glenn/Drudge would have had if he gave it back?

I'm fine with wishing health care reform fails. I'm fine with wishing any policy you disagree with would not be effected.

But, as Daniel says, to wish failure for something which has a clear net positive effect should really make some of you, the more reasonable of you to be sure, recognize that your mouthpieces are demented and maybe you need to think for your damn-selves.

Gan

10-11-2009, 11:42 AM

Which thing are we discussing that has a clear net positive effect?

(*Brother just trying to keep up)

Keller

10-11-2009, 12:17 PM

Which thing are we discussing that has a clear net positive effect?

(*Brother just trying to keep up)

Obama winning NPP and Chicago olympics in 2016.

Parkbandit

10-11-2009, 12:51 PM

Agreed.

I think the Olympics was pretty telling. And now this.

It's not like the man lobbied for getting the NPP. It was given to him. Should he give it back? Can you imagine the field day the three headed partisan machine of Rush/Glenn/Drudge would have had if he gave it back?

I'm fine with wishing health care reform fails. I'm fine with wishing any policy you disagree with would not be effected.

But, as Daniel says, to wish failure for something which has a clear net positive effect should really make some of you, the more reasonable of you to be sure, recognize that your mouthpieces are demented and maybe you need to think for your damn-selves.

Clear net positive effect? From the Olympics? You might want to talk to Atlanta.. or Athens.. or Calgary.. or even talk to Vancover who hasn't even had the Olympics yet and are looking at losing money.

Clove

10-11-2009, 02:29 PM

This may or may not have something to do with people explicitly saying that they hope he "fails" and then being happy when something doesn't happen that would only benefit America, simply because he was involved in some capacity.Gotcha, so don't address the critical points just lump every critic with in the same group because some radicals said some crazy shit once.

Yes, a lot of bullshit has been said about Obama. A lot of bullshit gets said about every administration from the hardcore/radical/crazy opposition. THIS ISN'T AN EXCUSE OR LICENSE TO IGNORE ALL CRITICISM AS BLIND HATRED.

Gan

10-11-2009, 02:35 PM

Obama winning NPP and Chicago olympics in 2016.

Aside from Obama netting $1.4m, what else is a net positive gain from being awarded the NPP, undeservedly even?

On hosting the Olympics, I really could not remember seeing someone quantify past or future predicted financial benefits, so I googled a source.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=35576&seenIt=1

I'll agree that Chicago would see a benefit, and the US by proxy would see an indirect benefit of some sort.

I'll leave the questioning of his motives to someone else...

Clove

10-11-2009, 02:39 PM

But, as Daniel says, to wish failure for something which has a clear net positive effect should really make some of you, the more reasonable of you to be sure, recognize that your mouthpieces are demented and maybe you need to think for your damn-selves.I don't think in this specific instance, I ever said that Obama actively campaigned for the NPP. In fact I'm pretty sure I said the opposite. I also don't think people were specifically wishing failure in this specific instance. They've been pointing out that it was undeserved. And I have seen (in other discussions) his apologists not speaking to the point that the award seemed undeserved, but instead just flat out telling people "oh you just hate Obama" or "you just want to see him fail" and more of that drivel. Saying he didn't merit an award is not saying you'd like to see him fail. At. All. I want to see him succeed, I have a direct interest in his success (obviously). That doesn't mean I want him to become a cult of personality where every thing he does is lauded successful, and there is no room for criticism or admittance of failure.

I don't know if I see a net benefit with our President being bestowed an honor for vaporous achievements; it looks very bad to some. I also don't know that I agree that he couldn't have graciously declined the award without causing a furor; honestly, do you imagine one of the most eloquent politicians of our generation couldn't express a polite refusal?

Gan

10-11-2009, 02:52 PM

And just for the record.

He does not speak for me. Rush has never 'spoken' for me. Nobody has except for me. I speak for me, and I alone.

I sincerely hope Obama has an outstanding term. America needs it in so many ways. I could be so pompus and say that the world needs it, because in many ways America drives progress and prosperity on a global scale.

The last thing we need right now (moving forward) is someone sitting in the White House that is a failure.

Daniel

10-11-2009, 03:16 PM

Gotcha, so don't address the critical points just lump every critic with in the same group because some radicals said some crazy shit once.

Yes, a lot of bullshit has been said about Obama. A lot of bullshit gets said about every administration from the hardcore/radical/crazy opposition. THIS ISN'T AN EXCUSE OR LICENSE TO IGNORE ALL CRITICISM AS BLIND HATRED.

Which happened where, exactly?

Clove

10-11-2009, 03:42 PM

Which happened where, exactly?Whenever a criticism is shot down as "oh you just hate Obama" instead of being addressed. You just admitted that "it could be happening because..." and now it's become a "where is this happening?" Your ostrich routine gets old; if you don't know what I'm talking about then I guess you're just not observant.

Daniel

10-11-2009, 04:05 PM

Whenever a criticism is shot down as "oh you just hate Obama" instead of being addressed. You just admitted that "it could be happening because..." and now it's become a "where is this happening?" Your ostrich routine gets old; if you don't know what I'm talking about then I guess you're just not observant.

Whenever? As in, like all the time? So, people should address the criticism that Obama isn't a US citizen? Just as an example.

Honestly, if you think someone can not make the comment that some people are unfairly criticizing Obama, then well ostrich routine, not being observant, so on and so forth, other such bullshit.

Back

10-11-2009, 04:12 PM

Daniel

10-11-2009, 04:22 PM

But of course you should be concerned that Obama is turning into a dictator! You're obviously being unreasonable if you don't think massive popular support is the same thing as a march to tyranny.

Why don't you address the concerns given instead of simply trying to brush them all off?? I mean, I'm concerned about socialism myself.

Methais

10-11-2009, 04:26 PM

Whenever? As in, like all the time? So, people should address the criticism that Obama isn't a US citizen? Just as an example.

Honestly, if you think someone can not make the comment that some people are unfairly criticizing Obama, then well ostrich routine, not being observant, so on and so forth, other such bullshit.

Was Bush ever unfairly criticized?

Daniel

10-11-2009, 04:32 PM

Was Bush ever unfairly criticized?

Of course he was.

Parkbandit

10-11-2009, 05:07 PM

Of course he was.

I don't remember you ever taking issue with it.

diethx

10-11-2009, 07:21 PM

I'm not going to use italics every time I make a fucking joke.

Who said you had to?

Back

10-11-2009, 10:00 PM

Was Bush ever unfairly criticized?

Was he?

Clove

10-11-2009, 10:17 PM

Whenever? As in, like all the time? So, people should address the criticism that Obama isn't a US citizen? Just as an example.Absolutely, invalid criticisms should be easy to address, shouldn't they? Whenever some idiot accused him of being a Muslim it was simple for me to debunk.

Honestly, if you think someone can not make the comment that some people are unfairly criticizing Obama, then well ostrich routine, not being observant, so on and so forth, other such bullshit.Oh is that all you were doing? Well I'm glad we have you here for that, because wow, I'd completely forgotten about all the bullshit that's been said about him. I'm sure everyone else in the political folder did too. Shit. Did I forget to use italics?

No, your comment was in response to this post by me:

Ah, classic. If you criticize it means you're just a hater and want America and the administration to fail at any cost. ...

This may or may not have something to do with people explicitly saying that they hope he "fails" and then being happy when something doesn't happen that would only benefit America, simply because he was involved in some capacity.

Crazy talk, I know. But I'm just saying.So when you responded to my suggestion that many Obama supporters marginalize criticism against him as racist or "Obama hatred" or knee-jerk partisan obstructionism, you weren't defending that attitude you were just pointing out that people sometimes talk shit about President Obama. Thanks, another pointless Captain Obvious post (at best).

The plain fact is, that when the Neo-Cons tried to paint everyone who criticized their agenda as "unpatriotic" it was okay to scream "Nazi" but when Obama supporters use the exact same tactic (only this time it's "racist") to marginalize criticism any concerns that this is the strategy of tyrants (and their supporters) is just absurd!

Hypocrisy. It's not just for Republicans anymore.

Daniel

10-12-2009, 01:09 AM

The plain fact is, that when the Neo-Cons tried to paint everyone who criticized their agenda as "unpatriotic" it was okay to scream "Nazi" but when Obama supporters use the exact same tactic (only this time it's "racist") to marginalize criticism any concerns that this is the strategy of tyrants (and their supporters) is just absurd!

Hypocrisy. It's not just for Republicans anymore.

You miss the point, entirely. Not surprising.

If you think people aren't saying that or that they aren't wishing him and the country ill will or making outlandish claims and accusations to discredit them, then either you're blind or just not really paying attention. There is a fundamental difference between "I don't think we should invade Iraq because it's a bad idea" and "I hope we fail in Iraq because I don't agree with the policy".

iThe reason why people are saying that people want Obama to fail is because that is actually what they are saying.

It's that simple really. Not a diffcult concept. I wouldn't have to be Cap Obvious if you weren't being King Stupid.

Gan

10-12-2009, 07:39 AM

As if Iraq was the only thing in 8 years that the Bush Administration was ever criticized about...

Clove

10-12-2009, 08:47 AM

There is a fundamental difference between "I don't think we should invade Iraq because it's a bad idea" and "I hope we fail in Iraq because I don't agree with the policy".I heard plenty of Bush critics not only predict Iraq to be another Vietnam but hope for it (and as Gan pointed out, Bush had many, many more criticisms against his administration than the Iraq invasion). Perhaps the Bush haters weren't as loud or as public as the Obama haters, but the fact still remains that that vicious attitude was evident in the worst of the Bush opponents too. If you can't recognize and acknowledge that you're either foolish or blind.

As I said before, your point is pointless. We're all aware of what has been (and is said) about Obama by his worst opponents. MY point is that his worst apologists ignore valid (as well as invalid) criticisms by refusing to address them and lumping them into a group of racists and haters; a very convenient stance, because you never have to address the flaws in your administration. Using the excuse that some people (even a lot) are unreasonably critical of Obama ISN'T an excuse to discount very real concerns. As I said, this is the same tactic the neo-cons used in different clothes. It wasn't okay when they did it. It's not okay now.

TheEschaton

10-12-2009, 10:14 AM

Really? Before 9/11, I thought Bush was turning out far more moderate than I could have hoped. He stepped down his stance on stem cell research....and well, that's all he did in the 8 months before 9/11.

-TheE-

Daniel

10-12-2009, 10:30 AM

As if Iraq was the only thing in 8 years that the Bush Administration was ever criticized about...

It's called an example.

You must be trying to be this stupid.

Daniel

10-12-2009, 10:36 AM

I heard plenty of Bush critics not only predict Iraq to be another Vietnam but hope for it (and as Gan pointed out, Bush had many, many more criticisms against his administration than the Iraq invasion). Perhaps the Bush haters weren't as loud or as public as the Obama haters, but the fact still remains that that vicious attitude was evident in the worst of the Bush opponents too. If you can't recognize and acknowledge that you're either foolish or blind.

Aside from the obvious fabrication that many people "wanted" Iraq to turn into Vietnam, you're making my point. The crazy people on the left were mostly on the fringe, as opposed to the mainstream leadership. I hope you can see the difference. If not, you're either foolish or blind or whatever whasoosits

As I said before, your point is pointless. We're all aware of what has been (and is said) about Obama by his worst opponents. MY point is that his worst apologists ignore valid (as well as invalid) criticisms by refusing to address them and lumping them into a group of racists and haters; a very convenient stance, because you never have to address the flaws in your administration. Using the excuse that some people (even a lot) are unreasonably critical of Obama ISN'T an excuse to discount very real concerns. As I said, this is the same tactic the neo-cons used in different clothes. It wasn't okay when they did it. It's not okay now.

Once again. Please show me, specifically, where this happened in this thread.

And I'm sorry Clove, your "concern" that popular support, domestically and abroad, can easily be manipulated in a fast walk towards dictatorship is not a valid concern. It's stupid fearmongering.

Please get back to us when Obama or "our" administration does anything remotely related to circumventing the democratic process.

Jace Solo

10-12-2009, 10:56 AM

Just got a funny email, thought I'd share:

This just in, Barrack Obama wins Heisman after watching a college football game. WOOOO!

Clove

10-12-2009, 11:15 AM

And I'm sorry Clove, your "concern" that popular support, domestically and abroad, can easily be manipulated in a fast walk towards dictatorship is not a valid concern. It's stupid fearmongering.When did I say easily? And when did I qualify simple popular support? I was pointing to blind support that has a willingness to discount valid criticisms (along with invalid) as "racist" "hatred" oh and "fearmongering". I'm sorry if you're incapable of distinguishing the difference between "support" and "blind support". Try again, Dano.

Mainstream? Really? Keep drinking the kool-aid.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010109&slug=dion09

You're a great revisionist Daniel. It only happens (or matters), when it happens to MY pet. Nice.

Daniel

10-12-2009, 11:43 AM

When did I say easily? And when did I qualify simple popular support?

Feel free to take out any adjective you see fit from my statement and then address it appropriately.

As is, people are going to call your allusions to totalitarianism idiotic, because they are. It's really that simple. No where in this thread has anyone discredited anything as a matter of "blind support". For the third time, please feel free to point out where it did happen.

In fact, Back's initial comment was just as general as you are now claiming yours was. So, to quote you, your point is pointless.

Mainstream? Really? Keep drinking the kool-aid.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010109&slug=dion09

You're a great revisionist Daniel. It only happens (or matters), when it happens to MY pet. Nice.

Link doesn't work. May be my internet connection, but surely you can do better than the Seattle Times community pages for an example of the "mainstream". I trust you can google better than that.

TheEschaton

10-12-2009, 11:55 AM

Atlanteax

10-12-2009, 12:54 PM

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Clove

10-12-2009, 01:01 PM

Feel free to take out any adjective you see fit from my statement and then address it appropriately.

As is, people are going to call your allusions to totalitarianism idiotic, because they are. It's really that simple. No where in this thread has anyone discredited anything as a matter of "blind support". For the third time, please feel free to point out where it did happen. There is as much (if not more) blind support for Obama right now as there was for Bush Jr. and the neo-cons, just as there is as much hatred from the most radical of Obama opponents as there was for Bush Jr. Deny it all you like it just makes you look like an ass.

Link doesn't work. May be my internet connection, but surely you can do better than the Seattle Times community pages for an example of the "mainstream". I trust you can google better than that.Oh I assure you the link is correct, but here goes game:

Show me proof of that?
That's your proof? That doesn't count?

Etc.

You're also putting words in my mouth, I've insinuated nothing but I have pointed out that blind, ignorant support that disqualifies criticism is dangerous because it can be used by dictators. It was this SAME criticism that was levied against the Bush administration when his followers behaved the same. You can play games with "well Bush wasn't hated, or not as much" and "Obama supporters don't do that" all you like, those of us with eyes and ears that are connected to brains can see otherwise.

Regardless you sound like a little girl, everytime you bring it up, "But... but you didn't even WANT me to succeeeeeeed!!!1!!". This isn't a new attitude in politics for either side; it merely means your opposition hates you and intends not to cooperate. Hardly significant when you dominate the Executive and Legislative branch is it? And it still doesn't excuse trivializing all criticisms; because some people somewhere want you to fail.

Clove

10-12-2009, 01:05 PM

It's a link to an op-ed by a columnist who surmises that the Democrats "may be looking forward" to Bush's picks for Labor, Interior, and AG failing. Not only does it A) fail to name a Democrat who said such a thing, but it also B) quotes a Democratic "strategist" who said that Democrats will want to push larger ideas than just waiting for Bush to make mistakes.Yes it was an Op-Ed following the 2000 election and to my memory it was spot on. The Bush opposition was absolutely livid, and they certainly didn't warm up to him by his second term.

Not so great. In fact, Daniel is right, no one in the left mainstream wished for Bush to fail. But Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter, and all these "bastions of conservative thought [editorial note: "thought", lol]" wish for Obama to fail. You may not see them as the spokespeople for the right, but guess what, they aren't a fringe, and I'd say they might even be a majority movement amongst conservatives.

-TheE-Bastions. Rush, Ann Coulter, Hannity... they really are representative of mainstream moderate Republicans. I mean it's not like they resemble Move-On.Org or anything. Dude. Wait. What?

Clove

10-12-2009, 01:28 PM

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 03:18 PM

It's a link to an op-ed by a columnist who surmises that the Democrats "may be looking forward" to Bush's picks for Labor, Interior, and AG failing. Not only does it A) fail to name a Democrat who said such a thing, but it also B) quotes a Democratic "strategist" who said that Democrats will want to push larger ideas than just waiting for Bush to make mistakes.

Not so great. In fact, Daniel is right, no one in the left mainstream wished for Bush to fail. But Hannity, Rush, Ann Coulter, and all these "bastions of conservative thought [editorial note: "thought", lol]" wish for Obama to fail. You may not see them as the spokespeople for the right, but guess what, they aren't a fringe, and I'd say they might even be a majority movement amongst conservatives.

-TheE-

Seriously.. you are sounding more and more like Backlash at this point.. and that is NOT a compliment.

Show me the difference between me saying that I hope Obama's plan for government healthcare fails and any liberal wanting any of Bush's policies to fail.

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 03:21 PM

Just got a funny email, thought I'd share:

This just in, Barrack Obama wins Heisman after watching a college football game. WOOOO!

LONDON (MarketWatch) -- In a decision as shocking as Friday's surprise peace prize win, President Obama failed to win the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences Monday.

While few observers think Obama has done anything for world peace in the nearly nine months he's been in office, the same clearly can't be said for economics.

The president has worked tirelessly since even before his inauguration to wrest control of the U.S. economy from failed free markets, and the evil CEOs who profit from them, and to turn it over to wise, fair and benevolent bureaucrats.

From his $787 billion stimulus package, to the cap-and-trade bill, to the seizures of General Motors and Chrysler, to the undead health-care "reform" act, Obama has dominated the U.S., and therefore the global, economy as few figures have in recent years.

Yet the Nobel panel chose instead to award the prize to two obscure academics -- Elinor Ostrom and Oliver Williamson -- one noted for her work on managing collective resources, and the other for his work on transaction costs. See full story on the Nobel winners.

Other surprise losers include celebrity noneconomist and filmmaker Michael Moore; U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; and Larry Summers, head of the U.S. national economic council.

It is unclear whether the president will now refuse his peace prize in protest against the obvious slight to his real achievements this year.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obama-fails-to-win-nobel-prize-in-economics-2009-10-12

Keller

10-12-2009, 03:26 PM

Clear net positive effect? From the Olympics? You might want to talk to Atlanta.. or Athens.. or Calgary.. or even talk to Vancover who hasn't even had the Olympics yet and are looking at losing money.

What about the vendors?

Cities help pay for monsterous professional stadiums regularly. Why?

Keller

10-12-2009, 03:30 PM

Aside from Obama netting $1.4m, what else is a net positive gain from being awarded the NPP, undeservedly even?

I would say pride, but you'd disagree. And that is the point, I guess. We now have pride in our political parties instead of our country. Both sides. It's a shame.

TheEschaton

10-12-2009, 04:18 PM

PB, if the vitriol in the right was limited solely to wanting his health care plan to fail, that would be fine. But I believe Rush said something like, "I want him to fail."

-TheE-

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 04:25 PM

PB, if the vitriol in the right was limited solely to wanting his health care plan to fail, that would be fine. But I believe Rush said something like, "I want him to fail."

-TheE-

So because Rush Limbaugh said "I want him to fail", then that means everyone who criticises Obama wants him to fail?

Come on man.. you aren't a Backlash.. stop posting like it.

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 04:28 PM

Also.. I guess according to Rush Limbaugh, that was taken out of context.. and he actually wanted the liberal media to quote him out of context on it.. so I guess congrats to you for falling for Rush's "trap":

RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

Were the liberals out there hoping Bush succeeded or were they out there trying to destroy him before he was even inaugurated? Why do we have to play the game by their rules? Why do we have to accept the premise here that because of the historical nature of his presidency, that we want him to succeed? This is affirmative action, if we do that. We want to promote failure, we want to promote incompetence, we want to stand by and not object to what he's doing simply because of the color of his skin? Sorry. I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are. Well, I know, I know. I am the last man standing.

I'm happy to be the last man standing. I'm honored to be the last man standing. Yeah, I'm the true maverick. I can do more than four words. I could say I hope he fails and I could do a brief explanation of why. You know, I want to win. If my party doesn't, I do. If my party has sacrificed the whole concept of victory, sorry, I'm now the Republican in name only, and they are the sellouts. I'm serious about this. Why in the world, it's what Ann Coulter was talking about, the tyranny of the majority, all these victims here, we gotta make sure the victims are finally assuaged. Well, the dirty little secret is this isn't going to assuage anybody's victim status, and the race industry isn't going to go away, and the fact that America's original sin of slavery is going to be absolved, it's not going to happen. Just isn't, folks. It's too big a business for the left to keep all those things alive that divide the people of this country into groups that are against each other. Yes, I'm fired up about this.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125113.guest.html

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 04:30 PM

What about the vendors?

Cities help pay for monsterous professional stadiums regularly. Why?

Go take a walk through Athens, Greece Olympic village today. Look at how it's revitalized the section of town it was being social engineered to 'fix'.

Gan

10-12-2009, 06:59 PM

I would say pride, but you'd disagree. And that is the point, I guess. We now have pride in our political parties instead of our country. Both sides. It's a shame.

If the award was deserved, I would agree to a point. I think pride runs deeper than mere awards would/should inspire. :shrug:

Tea & Strumpets

10-12-2009, 07:23 PM

I would say pride, but you'd disagree. And that is the point, I guess. We now have pride in our political parties instead of our country. Both sides. It's a shame.

The Lone Ranger and Tonto are making their last stand. 500 Cherokee Indians are circling them and preparing to finish them off. The Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says "Well I guess we are finished, my friend." And Tonto says, "What do you mean 'we', white man?"

Gan

10-12-2009, 08:38 PM

http://cagle.com/working/091010/fitzsimmons.jpg
http://cagle.com/working/091011/holbert.jpg
http://cagle.com/working/091011/cole.jpg
http://cagle.com/working/091010/stahler.gif

LOL

Daniel

10-12-2009, 09:08 PM

There is as much (if not more) blind support for Obama right now as there was for Bush Jr. and the neo-cons, just as there is as much hatred from the most radical of Obama opponents as there was for Bush Jr. Deny it all you like it just makes you look like an ass.

Oh I assure you the link is correct, but here goes game:

Show me proof of that?
That's your proof? That doesn't count?

Etc.

You're also putting words in my mouth, I've insinuated nothing but I have pointed out that blind, ignorant support that disqualifies criticism is dangerous because it can be used by dictators. It was this SAME criticism that was levied against the Bush administration when his followers behaved the same. You can play games with "well Bush wasn't hated, or not as much" and "Obama supporters don't do that" all you like, those of us with eyes and ears that are connected to brains can see otherwise.

Regardless you sound like a little girl, everytime you bring it up, "But... but you didn't even WANT me to succeeeeeeed!!!1!!". This isn't a new attitude in politics for either side; it merely means your opposition hates you and intends not to cooperate. Hardly significant when you dominate the Executive and Legislative branch is it? And it still doesn't excuse trivializing all criticisms; because some people somewhere want you to fail.

Yet, you have yet to provide a single example of anyone in this thread doing that.

It's not hard Clove. Please show us where anyone discounted any opinion or criticism of Obama because we're in love with him. You'v insinuated yourself that that's all I am doing. So, it shouldn't be so hard. I've never denied that anyone, anywhere, has done so. I'm merely asking you to back up your statements that it has happened here.

Because if it hasn't what exactly is your point, Cpt Obvious?

Daniel

10-12-2009, 09:14 PM

I'm not going to waste too much time pointing out the obvious to Daniel; he's proven to be everything we've come to expect from years of government training, particulary were perceptiveness is concerned. But this has got to be one of my favorites out there:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=112632

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/03/10/liberal-fox-news-2002-my-hope-bush-messes-war-iraq

Ahh yes. Of course, it must be because I work in the Government! never mind I worked for 7 years under Bush.

Good call Clove.

P.s. Who the fuck is Ellen Ratner? (Googling)

I doubt many rabid liberals are looking for guidance from a Fox news Mouthpiece. Just saying.

She doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Yea, she's totally "mainstream".

Care to "try again"?

Parkbandit

10-12-2009, 09:17 PM

Yet, you have yet to provide a single example of anyone in this thread doing that.

It's not hard Clove. Please show us where anyone discounted any opinion or criticism of Obama because we're in love with him. You'v insinuated yourself that that's all I am doing. So, it shouldn't be so hard. I've never denied that anyone, anywhere, has done so. I'm merely asking you to back up your statements that it has happened here.

Because if it hasn't what exactly is your point, Cpt Obvious?

You can't possibly be serious at this point.. can you?

Pick up one of a hundred newspapers.. or watch network "news".

CrystalTears

10-12-2009, 09:41 PM

You can't possibly be serious at this point.. can you?

Pick up one of a hundred newspapers.. or watch network "news".
It it hasn't happened in this thread, then it obviously isn't happening. Dur.

Gan

10-12-2009, 10:45 PM

Ahh yes. Of course, it must be because I work in the Government! never mind I worked for 7 years under Bush.

Good call Clove.

P.s. Who the fuck is Ellen Ratner? (Googling)

I doubt many rabid liberals are looking for guidance from a Fox news Mouthpiece. Just saying.

She doesn't even have a wikipedia page. Yea, she's totally "mainstream".

Care to "try again"?

WR2 an instant message earlier today - Clove called this one.
:lol:

Clove

10-12-2009, 10:47 PM

Yet, you have yet to provide a single example of anyone in this thread doing that.Which has to do with what exactly? You haven't shown that anyone has stated they hope Obama fails in this thread.

It's not hard Clove. Please show us where anyone discounted any opinion or criticism of Obama because we're in love with him.Oh I'm sorry are you done denying that Bush opponents were rabid with his administration (in effort to prove how special the persecution of poor Obama is)?

While we're on the subject, I accused some supporters of blind support specifically when discounting criticisms by accusing the critic of being racist or a hater (instead of addressing the criticism). I expressed no opinion on whether or not you're "in love" with him or not. I take a don't ask, don't tell policy concerning that. Wait, wasn't Obama supposed to be doing away with "don't ask, don't tell"?

You'v insinuated yourself that that's all I am doing. Have I? When. Be specific please. I've directly claimed that you continually mention that OMG PEOPLE HAVE WISHED OBAMA'S FAILURE!!!11!!! and I've pointed out that that attitude isn't new, unique to any side, or significant to Obama criticisms. But you never tire of dumming it up.

http://www.charneyresearch.com/2006Sep24_NYPost_HateTrap.htm

I'm merely asking you to back up your statements that it has happened here.Not really you're asking for opportunities to incessantly demonstrate your mastery of the "poison well fallacy". You're very good at bullshit, but awful at critical thought or valid argument.

Everything we've come to expect from years of government training. Carry on chump, I'm done with you.

Daniel

10-13-2009, 12:21 PM

Which has to do with what exactly? You haven't shown that anyone has stated they hope Obama fails in this thread.

Oh. I don't know Clove. On these things we call "forums" people tend to respond to posts made by other people. So, I just assumed you had a reason for breaking out with the things you said.

Since you were just speaking in general terms, when you said

Ah, classic. If you criticize it means you're just a hater and want America and the administration to fail at any cost. Don't address the criticism just simply label the critic a crank (which is such an air-tight defense; how do you prove you DON'T hate something?). Gotta love it. It wasn't acceptable when Bush Jr. did it, but somehow it's so much more fashionable now.

I guess you've just spinning yourself in circles for shits and giggles.

I'll stay out of your way the next time you want to act like a crazy homeless man.

Oh I'm sorry are you done denying that Bush opponents were rabid with his administration (in effort to prove how special the persecution of poor Obama is)?

Hardly. The Seattle Times Community pages isn't exactly known as a forum for the intellectual leaders of the democratic party and neither is Fox news. But yea, they are totally the same thing!!1!!

While we're on the subject, I accused some supporters of blind support specifically when discounting criticisms by accusing the critic of being racist or a hater (instead of addressing the criticism). I expressed no opinion on whether or not you're "in love" with him or not. I take a don't ask, don't tell policy concerning that. Wait, wasn't Obama supposed to be doing away with "don't ask, don't tell"?

Wait. I thought you weren't talking to anyone in particular?

Can you make up your mind?

Or are you just off your meds again?

Have I? When. Be specific please. I've directly claimed that you continually mention that OMG PEOPLE HAVE WISHED OBAMA'S FAILURE!!!11!!! and I've pointed out that that attitude isn't new, unique to any side, or significant to Obama criticisms. But you never tire of dumming it up.

If by "continually" you mean in this specific instance in response to your out of left field comment. Sure.

Not really you're asking for opportunities to incessantly demonstrate your mastery of the "poison well fallacy". You're very good at bullshit, but awful at critical thought or valid argument.

Everything we've come to expect from years of government training. Carry on chump, I'm done with you.

Someone's Vajayjay is hurting.

Daniel

10-13-2009, 12:23 PM

It it hasn't happened in this thread, then it obviously isn't happening. Dur.

Interesting comment from Ms. "I've never heard of anyone bashing Islam on these boards".

Clove

10-13-2009, 01:08 PM

Oh. I don't know Clove. On these things we call "forums" people tend to respond to posts made by other people. So, I just assumed you had a reason for breaking out with the things you said.

Since you were just speaking in general terms, when you saidYes I was commenting on how some supporters (some really can't be interpreted as specific, learn English) accuse critics of hating Obama or being racist instead of addressing the criticism. It was inspired by Backlash's comment about criticism not being the same as wanting Obama to fail (which ironically is exactly what PB said).

You responded to my comment in what appears to be a DEFENSE of the tactic of labelling critics as cranks using the excuse that people like Limbaugh (lolz Daniel's idea of "mainstream") and Cooter (er Coulter) publicly expressed a desire that Obama fail.

At this point in the conversation you seemed to acknowledge that this tactic IS in fact in play (or why would it need an excuse or explanation).

When I point out that even if some critics may be cranks and racists it is not an excuse to marginalize criticisms and demonize critics wholesale. I also pointed out that this was the same tactic the Bush administration used AND that the Dem's spewed just as much hatred at his administration (and sourced it). I've pointed out that it was unacceptable politics then as it is now and the excuse "but the other side HATES US!!111!!!" wasn't valid then just as it isn't now. I observed that this is a repressive tactic tyrants use (as it was pointed out when the former administration used it) as such we should despise it.

Your response is to try to reverse your implied acknowledgement that repressive tactics are being used at all (despite your apology for them). Deny that there was any significant "hope of failure" from the Democrats during the Bush administration and continue to use hyperbole to blow my statements out of proportion.

Like I said before. You're great at bullshit.

By the way I noticed you didn't mention my link to Charney's '06 NYT article discussing the Democrat's sincere desire to see Bush fail. I guesss the NYT isn't a respectable enough source for you (or maybe Charney doesn't qualify as a quality Democrat [insert Daniel's bullshit discrediting attempt here]).

Still it's hard to ignore statements like this:

When these Democrats say they want Bush to fail, might this mean that they simply reject what they see as his far-right religious and corporate agenda? If so, it’s hard to see why independents—hardly right-wing zealots—hope he succeeds by 63 percent to 34 percent. Sadly, much of the Democratic Party wants to see this president crash and burn.

In fact, the fury against Bush has reached unprecedented levels, even compared to the animosity among Republicans to his predecessor. Not long ago, a Washington Post-ABC News poll found that “strong disapproval” of Bush was 10 points higher than that recorded for Bill Clinton at any point during his presidency, including his impeachment. (That wasn’t during a war, either.)

Of course, Bush and the Republicans have helped stoke the anger with their own hardball partisanship under Clinton and during this presidency. And there is plenty in Bush’s record that a loyal opposition can legitimately criticize.

Yet if Bush does fail—for instance, if Iraq spirals into civil war or the economy slides into recession—then America is in trouble. Making progress on these key issues, like others facing the country, will require bipartisan solutions, not political finger-pointing.

The bottom line? Making statements like "most of the criticism against Obama is racially motivated" is negative politics at its worst and entirely counterproductive; it's tantamount to the Bush regime's labels of "unpatriotic" or "unwilling to fight terrorism". And excusing it because some of your worst critics have said nasty, unreasonable things about you isn't a defense.

To be fair to Obama, I'm not aware that his office has directly used these tactics or excuses for them; but they haven't denounced them either. Personally I'd have a LOT more respect for him if when Carter started with the racist accusations the White House had come up with a statement along the following lines:

"We don't want to hear nonsense that critics, or the majority of critics are racist. Accusations like this are impossible to prove at best, and baseless at worst. That's not the America that exists today and isn't the America we're trying to build. We welcome criticism valid or invalid, for whatever reason; we have faith in our policies and we're eager to defend them."

At least then they'd have gone on record discouraging the very kind of nasty politics that aggrevate vicious partisan bickering.

Parkbandit

10-13-2009, 01:15 PM

Interesting comment from Ms. "I've never heard of anyone bashing Islam on these boards".

Dude.. you were the one that said people "constantly and consistently" bash Islam.. something you have yet to prove.

Seriously.. take a deep breath and look at what you are arguing. Are you fucking kidding me that you somehow think the criticism of Obama is anywhere NEAR the levels it was towards Bush?

It's like you are living in a bubble... made out of pink colored glass.

Androidpk

10-13-2009, 01:21 PM

Are you fucking kidding me that you somehow think the criticism of Obama is anywhere NEAR the levels it was towards Bush?

It's getting up there.

Parkbandit

10-13-2009, 01:24 PM

It's getting up there.

But somehow if you criticised Bush, you were justified.. it was your patriotic duty. But if you criticise Obama, you are a racist and want him to fail.

It's a fucking retarded argument.. almost Backlashian level of epic retarded. I expect it from him.. he can't help it.. but Daniel doesn't need to be that dumb and I certainly don't expect it from TheE.

TheEschaton

10-13-2009, 01:25 PM

Of course, the fact that the criticism of Bush was based in international consensus and fact, as opposed to the criticism of Obama, which tends to red scare fearmongering, has nothing to do with it.

Bush got criticism because he was a terrible fucking President.

Clove

10-13-2009, 01:29 PM

And if Obama turns out to be a terrible President will the criticism to date suddenly become valid again? Remember before Bush ever made a decision there was hatred levied against his administration for "stealing the election". The vitriol was immediate; that he might have "lived up to the hype" later doesn't change that he was being burned in effigy before he even had a chance to be bad President, much like people claim is happening to Obama.

Keller

10-13-2009, 02:04 PM

But somehow if you criticised Bush, you were justified.. it was your patriotic duty. But if you criticise Obama, you are a racist and want him to fail.

It's a fucking retarded argument.. almost Backlashian level of epic retarded. I expect it from him.. he can't help it.. but Daniel doesn't need to be that dumb and I certainly don't expect it from TheE.

What in the world do you mean by "criticize ______"?

For what? For advocating health care reform? For pushing for hundres of billions of dollars in stimulus? For trying to increase the capital gains rate? For decreasing the marginal tax rates? For winning the Noble Peace Prize? For starting a war in the wrong country? For . . . what?

I think there are valid policy based criticism and then I think there is partisan bickering for sake of wanting to be on the winning team.

Keller

10-13-2009, 02:06 PM

Dude.. you were the one that said people "constantly and consistently" bash Islam.. something you have yet to prove.

Are you sure he didn't say the vast majority of people bash Islam?

Parkbandit

10-13-2009, 02:24 PM

Are you sure he didn't say the vast majority of people bash Islam?

Not sure.. why don't you go take a walk from your house to a pub and give us your scientific opinion.

Dumbfuck.

CrystalTears

10-13-2009, 02:26 PM

Interesting comment from Ms. "I've never heard of anyone bashing Islam on these boards".
Where did I EVER say that? I said that Islam does not get slammed in the same capacity as Christianity.

Atlanteax

10-13-2009, 02:32 PM

Islam Bash:

Islam is the prime example of why religion is flawed.

Keller

10-13-2009, 02:33 PM

Not sure.. why don't you go take a walk from your house to a pub and give us your scientific opinion.

Dumbfuck.

I (i) gave a qualified estimate supporting your position (which will be the last time I ever try to give you any help in your perpetual cock-fight with Tsa'ah) and (ii) did not criticize Daniel for not being able to support an assertion while also having made numerous hyperbolic and unsupportable assertions in the past.

Keller

10-13-2009, 02:34 PM

Islam Bash:

Islam is the prime example of why religion is flawed.

Atlanteax Bash:

Your tie is the prime example of why Michigan is bankrupt.

Gan

10-13-2009, 06:00 PM

What in the world do you mean by "criticize ______"?

For what? For advocating health care reform? For pushing for hundres of billions of dollars in stimulus? For trying to increase the capital gains rate? For decreasing the marginal tax rates? For winning the Noble Peace Prize? For starting a war in the wrong country? For . . . what?

I think there are valid policy based criticism and then I think there is partisan bickering for sake of wanting to be on the winning team.

This thread is about the Nobel Peace Prize going to Obama and the reasons behind its awarding right?

Just saying...

That's like declaring a winner before the first pitch is thrown, inorite?

*Let the chickens come home to roost before calling the winner. I remember Greenspan being a hero for gassing our economy right up until the Bubble burst. Give it time, give it time.

Keller

10-13-2009, 06:10 PM

This thread is about the Nobel Peace Prize going to Obama and the reasons behind its awarding right?

Just saying...

That's like declaring a winner before the first pitch is thrown, inorite?

*Let the chickens come home to roost before calling the winner. I remember Greenspan being a hero for gassing our economy right up until the Bubble burst. Give it time, give it time.

That's fine.

Then criticize the Nobel committee, not the President.

Unless you're looking for a reason to criticize the President.

Compare it the Iraq war -- I've always criticized those people who gave Bush the information. I understood that he had to rely on others' work to make his decisions. And even there, Bush had infinite more culpability for going to war under faulty information than Obama does for passively being awarded the NPP. I just don't understand those people who are such partisan homers that they will turn this into an Obama-scandal instead of a Nobel-committee-scandal.

Reawing

10-13-2009, 06:17 PM

That's fine.

Then criticize the Nobel committee, not the President.

Unless you're looking for a reason to criticize the President.

Compare it the Iraq war -- I've always criticized those people who gave Bush the information. I understood that he had to rely on others' work to make his decisions. And even there, Bush had infinite more culpability for going to war under faulty information than Obama does for passively being awarded the NPP. I just don't understand those people who are such partisan homers that they will turn this into an Obama-scandal instead of a Nobel-committee-scandal.

Why are we comparing the decision to go to war by the Bush administration to the Nobel committee deciding who to award their prize to? This is apples and oranges. There is nothing to criticize Obama about vies-a-vie this award. He is giving the money to charity. It was silly for the Nobel Committee to do this for many reasons, and it is almost certainly undeserved, but its not like Obama had any control and it would be stupid of him to not take the money, spin it positively and give it to charity.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-13-2009, 06:36 PM

Islam Bash:

Islam is the prime example of why religion is flawed.

WTF?

AnticorRifling

10-13-2009, 06:45 PM

WTF? Family guy reference I'm guessing.

Keller

10-13-2009, 07:15 PM

Why are we comparing the decision to go to war by the Bush administration to the Nobel committee deciding who to award their prize to? This is apples and oranges. There is nothing to criticize Obama about vies-a-vie this award. He is giving the money to charity. It was silly for the Nobel Committee to do this for many reasons, and it is almost certainly undeserved, but its not like Obama had any control and it would be stupid of him to not take the money, spin it positively and give it to charity.

Re-read my post.

That was my point.

Reawing

10-13-2009, 07:32 PM

Re-read my post.

That was my point.

I was agreeing with you.

-Reawing

Gan

10-13-2009, 08:11 PM

That's fine.

Then criticize the Nobel committee, not the President.

Unless you're looking for a reason to criticize the President.

Compare it the Iraq war -- I've always criticized those people who gave Bush the information. I understood that he had to rely on others' work to make his decisions. And even there, Bush had infinite more culpability for going to war under faulty information than Obama does for passively being awarded the NPP. I just don't understand those people who are such partisan homers that they will turn this into an Obama-scandal instead of a Nobel-committee-scandal.

Done and done. My words in this thread stand as evidence to that end.

I believe the only thing that can be remotely construed as criticism towards our President from me is the lack of accomplishment thus far. But as I see it, I require more time to make that assessment.

Parkbandit

10-13-2009, 10:18 PM

I (i) gave a qualified estimate supporting your position (which will be the last time I ever try to give you any help in your perpetual cock-fight with Tsa'ah) and (ii) did not criticize Daniel for not being able to support an assertion while also having made numerous hyperbolic and unsupportable assertions in the past.

OH NOEZ!

Seriously, and I mean this in the same, civil way you "always" are on these forums.... if I ever need your help, I'll ask you for it. Until then, please, I ask that you just shut the fuck up.

:) (I know you have the trademark on the smiley face after being an asshole, but I thought I'd give it a go)

Daniel

10-14-2009, 11:15 AM

Yes I was commenting on how some supporters (some really can't be interpreted as specific, learn English) accuse critics of hating Obama or being racist instead of addressing the criticism. It was inspired by Backlash's comment about criticism not being the same as wanting Obama to fail (which ironically is exactly what PB said).

Yea. They are fundamentally different. I'm sorry you can't see that.

You responded to my comment in what appears to be a DEFENSE of the tactic of labelling critics as cranks using the excuse that people like Limbaugh (lolz Daniel's idea of "mainstream") and Cooter (er Coulter) publicly expressed a desire that Obama fail.

Not quite. You may want to go back and try that reading thing.

At this point in the conversation you seemed to acknowledge that this tactic IS in fact in play (or why would it need an excuse or explanation).

When I point out that even if some critics may be cranks and racists it is not an excuse to marginalize criticisms and demonize critics wholesale. I also pointed out that this was the same tactic the Bush administration used AND that the Dem's spewed just as much hatred at his administration (and sourced it). I've pointed out that it was unacceptable politics then as it is now and the excuse "but the other side HATES US!!111!!!" wasn't valid then just as it isn't now. I observed that this is a repressive tactic tyrants use (as it was pointed out when the former administration used it) as such we should despise it.

Your response is to try to reverse your implied acknowledgement that repressive tactics are being used at all (despite your apology for them). Deny that there was any significant "hope of failure" from the Democrats during the Bush administration and continue to use hyperbole to blow my statements out of proportion.

Like I said before. You're great at bullshit.

By the way I noticed you didn't mention my link to Charney's '06 NYT article discussing the Democrat's sincere desire to see Bush fail. I guesss the NYT isn't a respectable enough source for you (or maybe Charney doesn't qualify as a quality Democrat [insert Daniel's bullshit discrediting attempt here]).

Still it's hard to ignore statements like this:

The bottom line? Making statements like "most of the criticism against Obama is racially motivated" is negative politics at its worst and entirely counterproductive; it's tantamount to the Bush regime's labels of "unpatriotic" or "unwilling to fight terrorism". And excusing it because some of your worst critics have said nasty, unreasonable things about you isn't a defense.

To be fair to Obama, I'm not aware that his office has directly used these tactics or excuses for them; but they haven't denounced them either. Personally I'd have a LOT more respect for him if when Carter started with the racist accusations the White House had come up with a statement along the following lines:

"We don't want to hear nonsense that critics, or the majority of critics are racist. Accusations like this are impossible to prove at best, and baseless at worst. That's not the America that exists today and isn't the America we're trying to build. We welcome criticism valid or invalid, for whatever reason; we have faith in our policies and we're eager to defend them."

At least then they'd have gone on record discouraging the very kind of nasty politics that aggrevate vicious partisan bickering.

That's great and all, but you've still yet to provide any examples of people, on these boards (let alone in this thread) automatically discrediting valid criticisms because people are "racist" or "ignorant". I've never disagreed with the notion that you shouldn't just discount valid criticisms.

I've simply challenged you to specific why and for what reason you seem to think that's relevant to any of the conversations going on right now.

If, you mean your "concern" that this type of love and adulation can lead to someone being a dictator, then well that's pretty ignorant. So, yea.

Daniel

10-14-2009, 11:17 AM

Tea & Strumpets

10-14-2009, 11:44 AM

You mean we shouldn't be concerned that this can lead to someone being a dictator???

Stop marginalizing my criticisms!!!

You are just really defensive when people laugh about it. I can see your point which I will paraphrase for comedic value to -- "This doesn't mean that Obama is actually Satan", but Obama winning the prize is funny nonetheless.

Daniel

10-14-2009, 11:46 AM

You are just really defensive when people laugh about it. I can see your point which I will paraphrase for comedic value to -- "This doesn't mean that Obama is actually Satan", but Obama winning the prize is funny nonetheless.

Defensive? I've never once defended the decision to give him the NPP. In fact, I've been very intentional in not putting forth my personal opinion.

I just think it's funny that people would seriously try and raise a flag because this is how "dictators are made".

Keller

10-14-2009, 11:56 AM

OH NOEZ!

Seriously, and I mean this in the same, civil way you "always" are on these forums.... if I ever need your help, I'll ask you for it. Until then, please, I ask that you just shut the fuck up.

:) (I know you have the trademark on the smiley face after being an asshole, but I thought I'd give it a go)

:rofl:

Poor PB, sometimes you just need to throw a tantrum to let it all out. Give it a go. I hope you feel better soon.

Parkbandit

10-14-2009, 03:38 PM

:rofl:

Poor PB, sometimes you just need to throw a tantrum to let it all out. Give it a go. I hope you feel better soon.

Riiight.. because that was some tantrum and not a post calling out your typical stupidity.

Don't project... it'll make you look less foolish (and you could use as much help as possible on doing that)

Keller

10-14-2009, 03:51 PM

(and you could use as much help as possible on doing that)

WAAAHHHH if I ever need your help I'll ask wahhhhhhhh!!! until then, shut the fuck up! wahhhh!!!

Atlanteax

10-14-2009, 04:06 PM

Nice Tantrum.

Parkbandit

10-14-2009, 04:34 PM

Nice Tantrum.

Indeed.

Poor Keller.. I hope you feel better soon.

Keller

10-14-2009, 04:37 PM

Indeed.

Poor Keller.. I hope you feel better soon.

Just quoting the master.

Parkbandit

10-14-2009, 04:40 PM

Just quoting the master.

Seriously, let it out. I just want you to get better.

:)

BigWorm

10-14-2009, 04:45 PM

Seriously, let it out. I just want you to get better.

:)

Aren't you overdue for a JPEG about now?

Daniel

10-14-2009, 08:50 PM

Aren't you overdue for a JPEG about now?

He's getting slow in his old age.

Parkbandit

10-14-2009, 11:53 PM

Aren't you overdue for a JPEG about now?

You are right.. here dipshit, especially for you:

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/stfu-cunt.jpg

pabstblueribbon

10-15-2009, 12:06 AM

Just quoting the master.

He must have missed the italics.

Joke

PB's head

Gan

10-15-2009, 01:58 AM

In fact, I've been very intentional in not putting forth my personal opinion.

So what is your opinion WR2 Obama getting the NPP?

radamanthys

10-15-2009, 02:40 AM

whoever said something about "Why are people calling this an obama scandal".

It's not criticism against the man that is Obama. It's criticism against the idea that is Obama. In many cases, Obama has nothing to do with Obama- inclusive of adulators and derogators both.

I think it's more an example of how much hype is associated with the entire ideology. Obama's PR has made him much more to many people than he actually is. He's the kind of guy that has statues. Statues that grow plant-life hair.

Daniel

10-15-2009, 02:41 AM

So what is your opinion WR2 Obama getting the NPP?

Although I will say this seems a bit "premature" to say the least, I wouldn't go as far as Xanator's (typical) idiocy.

.

Daniel

10-15-2009, 02:42 AM

He's the kind of guy that has statues. Statues that grow plant-life hair.

So?

radamanthys

10-15-2009, 02:47 AM

So?

Exactly.

Back

10-15-2009, 02:54 AM

I know of a huge statue of Lincoln. Whats the point?

radamanthys

10-15-2009, 03:04 AM

I know of a huge statue of Lincoln. Whats the point?

He hasn't done anything, and you're still building metaphorical statues of him. That's my point.

It has nothing to do with him, his ideals or his politics.

Back

10-15-2009, 03:40 AM

He hasn't done anything, and you're still building metaphorical statues of him. That's my point.

It has nothing to do with him, his ideals or his politics.

And everything to do with your fear. Got it.

CrystalTears

10-15-2009, 07:34 AM

And everything to do with your fear. Got it.
Fear of what, exactly?

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 08:48 AM

Fear of what, exactly?

Um... have you not been listening?

YOU FEAR THE BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT!!!1111oneone

That is the ONLY reason why you would criticise him.

Keller

10-15-2009, 09:45 AM

I think it's more an example of how much hype is associated with the entire ideology. Obama's PR has made him much more to many people than he actually is. He's the kind of guy that has statues. Statues that grow plant-life hair.

So inspiring leadership is now a bad thing?

I'm confused.

Keller

10-15-2009, 09:47 AM

Um... have you not been listening?

YOU FEAR THE BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT!!!1111oneone

That is the ONLY reason why you would criticise him.

For once can you try not to be a victim?

Who said that? Maybe you mean that is the ONLY reason why a vast majority of people would criticize him.

Methais

10-15-2009, 10:02 AM

And everything to do with your fear. Got it.

It has everything to do with he hasn't done a damn thing yet.

Feel free to inform us what Obama has done (as in having actually done it, not just talk about it) to deserve the NPP.

The Obama administration is pretty much like The Judean People's Front from Monty Python's Life of Brian.

Atlanteax

10-15-2009, 10:29 AM

http://cagle.com/working/091015/kelley.jpg
http://cagle.com/working/091009/campbell.jpg

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 10:47 AM

For once can you try not to be a victim?

Who said that? Maybe you mean that is the ONLY reason why a vast majority of people would criticize him.

Easy Keller.. I know you are still upset with me, but honestly, let's try and keep it in perspective.

It'll be ok. No need to bring your tantrums to every political thread I post in.

Keller

10-15-2009, 10:53 AM

Easy Keller.. I know you are still upset with me, but honestly, let's try and keep it in perspective.

It'll be ok. No need to bring your tantrums to every political thread I post in.

I'll repeat my question:

Who said
YOU FEAR THE BLACK MAN AS PRESIDENT!!!1111oneone

That is the ONLY reason why you would criticise him.?

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 10:58 AM

I'll repeat my question:

Who said ?

Easy Keller... or we're going to have to ask you to take a time out in the corner.

Keller

10-15-2009, 11:05 AM

Easy Keller... or we're going to have to ask you to take a time out in the corner.

... or you could answer the simple question.

:thanx:

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 11:57 AM

... or you could answer the simple question.

:thanx:

Context is your friend. Notice the capitalization... notice the "punctuation"...

Notice how you are the only one that took that post seriously?

Grats on being today's winner

http://www.trophymuskegon.com/images/Pin_095.jpg

BigWorm

10-15-2009, 12:45 PM

So what is your opinion WR2 Obama getting the NPP?

Maybe you're in a really deep league but Obama is a WR3 at best for my fantasy team.

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 12:59 PM

Translation: You or another neocon tard made a bullshit claim, Keller called you out on it, and now you're calling him an idiot in a desperate ploy to cast off the attention. Typical.

Ok.. I take it back.

Keller and Ashliana were the only ones to take that post seriously.

That type of epic stupidity makes me believe that maybe there really is a God.. and he gave me things like this to show me how fortunate I really am.

Keller

10-15-2009, 01:31 PM

Ok.. I take it back.

Keller and Ashliana were the only ones to take that post seriously.

That type of epic stupidity makes me believe that maybe there really is a God.. and he gave me things like this to show me how fortunate I really am.

I'll have to remember this tactic. So in the future, when I spew nonsense, I can just say, "OMG U R SO RETARDED!!! El OH EL OH EL, you actually took that seriously!?!"

I think (here comes the quote with "That's your problem" as a rebuttal) you were being very serious. I think you actually think liberals think all (or is it the vast majority?) opposition to Obama is racist. I think you were trying to be funny and make all (or maybe the vast majority) your imaginary liberal friends who you believe think all opposition to Obama is racist look stupid by capitalizing and "punctuating" their "claims" in the manner you did.

Back

10-15-2009, 01:38 PM

6 days, 221 posts, and 22 pages later we have learned the following...

Same old same old PC.

CrystalTears

10-15-2009, 02:34 PM

6 days, 221 posts, and 22 pages later we have learned the following...

Same old same old PC.
Answer my question, since you started this mess by mentioning "fear".

Back

10-15-2009, 02:37 PM

Answer my question, since you started this mess by mentioning "fear".

Sorry, gonna have to ask that you reask, because I can’t be bothered reading 222 posts of bullshit.

Tisket

10-15-2009, 02:55 PM

Sorry, gonna have to ask that you reask, because I can’t be bothered reading 222 posts of bullshit.

Dude, it was two pages ago.

Jesus, stupid AND lazy.

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 03:11 PM

Do you know how many times you've cried about Daniel, Keller, Ravenstorm, Ignot, Nancy Pelosi, myself, any perceived liberal, etc, using hyperbole--or what you perceived as hyperbole? You're an idiot.

If Daniel, Ravenstorm, Ingot and Nancy Pelosi want to jump aboard your Retard Train of Stupidity, then climb aboard.

If you seriously can't tell the difference between a serious post by me and one that was making light of the situation, then seriously, you should get off the Internet now. You are far too stupid to be on here without adult supervision of some sort.

Come on Earl.. while I believe you to be one of the most idiotic posters of all time.. not even you can be this moronic. Can you?

Methais

10-15-2009, 03:20 PM

Sorry, gonna have to ask that you reask, because I can’t be bothered reading 222 posts of bullshit.

Let me help you out:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll154/spinarooni226/Clipboard01-4.jpg

Gan

10-15-2009, 07:45 PM

Maybe you're in a really deep league but Obama is a WR3 at best for my fantasy team.

:lol:

Gan

10-15-2009, 07:51 PM

Although I will say this seems a bit "premature" to say the least, I wouldn't go as far as Xanator's (typical) idiocy.
Then...

In fact, I've been very intentional in not putting forth my personal opinion.

So you think the award was 'premature' and yet you're intentionally not really putting forth your personal opinion.

Outstanding.

So you're saying Obama did not deserve said award, on the cool.

check (next time say it softer so the rest of the D-Team wont hear you)

Back

10-15-2009, 10:10 PM

Let me help you out:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll154/spinarooni226/Clipboard01-4.jpg

Fear. Its whats stops progress.

Daniel

10-15-2009, 10:12 PM

Then...

So you think the award was 'premature' and yet you're intentionally not really putting forth your personal opinion.

Outstanding.

So you're saying Obama did not deserve said award, on the cool.

check (next time say it softer so the rest of the D-Team wont hear you)

Lol. Infer what you will.

Parkbandit

10-15-2009, 10:15 PM

Fear. Its whats stops progress.

You mean like:

“If we do not move swiftly to sign the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with catastrophe. … Millions more Americans will lose their jobs. Homes will be lost. Families will go without health care. Our crippling dependence on foreign oil will continue. That is the price of inaction.”

Daniel

10-15-2009, 10:17 PM

You mean like:

“If we do not move swiftly to sign the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law, an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with catastrophe. … Millions more Americans will lose their jobs. Homes will be lost. Families will go without health care. Our crippling dependence on foreign oil will continue. That is the price of inaction.”

Don't worry guys. We aren't really in a recession. Those crazy libs are just fearmongering.

Back

10-15-2009, 10:18 PM

U r skurred of liberals. Thats obvious.

LIBERALS WANT SOCIALISM LIKE NAZIS!

Back

10-15-2009, 10:18 PM

MEIN OBAMA!

Gan

10-15-2009, 11:35 PM

Lol. Infer what you will.

not much to infer..

Methais

10-15-2009, 11:44 PM

Fear. Its whats stops progress.

You missed it again.

She asked "Fear of what exactly?"

Are you trying to say your answer is fear of fear?

Don't worry guys. We aren't really in a recession. Those crazy libs are just fearmongering.

Are you seriously saying that Obama wasn't fear mongering when he was trying to sell his stimulus package?

How's that stimulus package working out for the economy anyway? The recession should be over by now. Instead, unemployment keeps going up while the dollar continues to sink.

But that's Bush's fault, right?

Daniel

10-15-2009, 11:50 PM

Are you seriously saying that Obama wasn't fear mongering when he was trying to sell his stimulus package?

You get a prize.

How's that stimulus package working out for the economy anyway?

You tell me.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/15/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?cnn=yes

The recession should be over by now. Instead

Says who? The same people who said there wasn't a recession in the first place?

okay.

Methais

10-16-2009, 12:18 AM

You get a prize.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/Christopher4myspace/blind-faith.jpg

You tell me.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/15/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?cnn=yes

If the stimulus was so awesome and effective, then why are they talking about a second stimulus now? Why is unemployment at 10% with people still losing jobs? Why is Hillary getting better poll numbers than Obama? What part of the stimulus pushed the dow back up? Certainly it couldn't have anything to do with the free market. It's all government, and we should be thankful to Obama for saving us. Right?

Says who? The same people who said there wasn't a recession in the first place?

okay.

Who said there wasn't a recession in the first place?

Daniel

10-16-2009, 12:26 AM

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/Christopher4myspace/blind-faith.jpg

If the stimulus was so awesome and effective, then why are they talking about a second stimulus now? Why is unemployment at 10% with people still losing jobs? Why is Hillary getting better poll numbers than Obama? What part of the stimulus pushed the dow back up? Certainly it couldn't have anything to do with the free market. It's all government, and we should be thankful to Obama for saving us. Right?

Who said there wasn't a recession in the first place?

The Irony in this response is hilarious as fuck.

Who said there wasn't a recession? iono, the Republican Party?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/28/usa

Talk about sheeple.

Methais

10-16-2009, 12:53 AM

The Irony in this response is hilarious as fuck.

Who said there wasn't a recession? iono, the Republican Party?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/28/usa

Talk about sheeple.

That's your "proof" that republicans denied that there was a recession? Did you even read the article, and the date on it?

Here's the first sentence from the February 2008 article you posted:

George Bush today admitted the US economy is in a slowdown but rejected claims it is heading for a recession,

How can you say they denied there was a recession when 1) That's not what was said, and 2) There was no recession at the time yet anyway. Not until several months later.

Way to look stupid.

Feel free to link an article where republicans flat out denied that there was a recession during the recession, instead of linking an article from before the recession where Bush says he doesn't think we're heading into a recession.

Here's the real irony of that article:

"We [Democrats] disagree; the central issue is keeping Americans safe while protecting their civil liberties."

Meanwhile Obama is coddling terrorists, letting Iran build nukes, aborting missile defenses, wanting to disarm our country, shitting on Israel, and (so far) letting Afghanistan go down the tubes.

Sure sounds like a swell plan to keep us safe.

Then on the home front you have the left trying to take over everything and tell us how to live our lives, which is clearly a demonstration of protecting our civil liberties right?

Congratulations, you've earned it:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/4/20/128847344485080355.jpg

Daniel

10-16-2009, 01:05 AM

That's your "proof" that republicans denied that there was a recession? Did you even read the article, and the date on it?

Here's the first sentence from the February 2008 article you posted:

How can you say they denied there was a recession when 1) That's not what was said, and 2) There was no recession at the time yet anyway. Not until several months later.

Way to look stupid.

Irony. Again. Thanks Methais. Keep em rolling. There was no recession @ the time?

"Financial markets have been under significant stress since August 2007"

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9967/01-27-StateofEconomy_Testimony.pdf

You care to take a guess on when the Republican party finally acknowledged the recession?

*hint, it was well after August of 2007.

Daniel

10-16-2009, 01:13 AM

For shits and giggles.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/01/news/economy/recession/index.htm

I know I'm liberal, and black and all but Dec 2007 is before Feb 2008, right?

Bobmuhthol

10-16-2009, 03:39 AM

Daniel

10-16-2009, 03:47 AM

There are some key facts that are kind of being pushed aside. The recession started in December 2007, but by definition it was impossible to know in February 2008 whether there was a recession going on. In fact, by definition again, there wasn't a recession in February 2008 because there had only been 2 months of negative growth at that point. It doesn't mean that it wasn't silly for an economist to confidently claim that the country was not heading for a recession, but you can't fault someone for not acknowledging a recession that didn't exist at the time. Don't forget that it's a retroactive thing -- it wasn't until well after 6 months had passed that the recession was traced to December 2007.

By Definition, you could not say that there has been a recession at all. At the time it was being argued, correctly, that the economy was going into the midst of an economic downturn which was denied, adamently, by certain people in America for political reasons. As is, this went well beyond February 2008. Remember the phrase "The fundamentals of the Economy are still strong"?

TheEschaton

10-16-2009, 12:34 PM

Methais

10-16-2009, 01:20 PM

You know, I really get annoyed that when we follow the Constitution in re: to no cruel and unusual punishment, we're told we're coddling terrorists, but touch a man's guns (and not even take them away, just regulate them more), you're a traitor who hates the Constitution.

I really get annoyed when people try to say that things like blowing cigar smoke in someone's face is torture.

I really get annoyed when people aren't willing to do whatever is necessary to keep our country safe because they don't want to offend the people who want to kill us.

I really get annoyed when people go around the world apologizing for our country and don't remind them who saved their asses and how much our country has done for the world.

I really get annoyed when people think the government's role is to dictate how they live their life and give them free handouts for being lazy at the expense of those who work for a living.

I really get annoyed when people are forced to stop displaying their American flags.

I really get annoyed when our President refuses to visit the graves of WW2 soldiers because he's afraid he'll offend Germans.

I really get annoyed at the fact that it will most likely be people like you QQing the loudest when we get hit by another attack.

I really get annoyed when people decide they don't like someone because of their political views.

Despite how fucked up I think a lot of your (you in general) political views are, I still like most of you. Even Daniel.

Feel free to not like me because my views differ from yours though. I won't be losing any sleep, but it speaks volumes about your character.

Good day sir.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll154/spinarooni226/Gary_Cooper_tipping_his_top_hat_sma.jpg

Daniel

10-16-2009, 01:28 PM

I really get annoyed when people aren't willing to do whatever is necessary to keep our country safe because they don't want to offend the people who want to kill us.

For my own personal edification, what exactly are you willing to do, to "keep our country safe"?

Mabus

10-16-2009, 01:33 PM

Remember the phrase "The fundamentals of the Economy are still strong"?

I thought it was:

"But if we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the outstanding companies, workers, all the innovation and dynamism in this economy, then we’re going to get through this. And I’m very confident about that."
(bold my own)

Oh wait, that was the president after the election.

Mabus

10-16-2009, 01:36 PM

CrystalTears

10-16-2009, 02:01 PM

You can be for gun rights and be for the humane (and legal) treatment of detainees.QFT

Atlanteax

10-16-2009, 02:24 PM

http://cagle.com/working/091015/beeler.jpg

TheEschaton

10-16-2009, 02:57 PM

Let's address your concerns one by one.

I really get annoyed when people try to say that things like blowing cigar smoke in someone's face is torture.

Are you talking about smoking bans? If so, I think they're retarded as well.

I really get annoyed when people aren't willing to do whatever is necessary to keep our country safe because they don't want to offend the people who want to kill us.

Are you serious? You would do anything to keep our country safe? Not only is this against the fundamental tenets of morality, it's against international law.

I really get annoyed when people go around the world apologizing for our country and don't remind them who saved their asses and how much our country has done for the world.

We saved the world during WWII. That's why that generation is called the greatest generation. Since then, we've installed dictatorships in South America, held illegal wars, supported apartheid, and, according to the rest of the world, generally fucked over everyone else to the benefit of ourselves/Israel. The consensus is far from unanimous that America has done a lot for the world. Perhaps to would be more accurate.

I really get annoyed when people think the government's role is to dictate how they live their life and give them free handouts for being lazy at the expense of those who work for a living.

Again, the basis of society, government, federalism, and the social contract, is that for the benefit of society and living communally, we give up certain (individualistic) rights. Furthermore, if you think our government is DICTATING how we live our lives, you've obviously never lived anywhere else, personal freedom here is still very much alive and well here.

I really get annoyed when people are forced to stop displaying their American flags.

WTF are you talking about?

I really get annoyed when our President refuses to visit the graves of WW2 soldiers because he's afraid he'll offend Germans.

Again, what?

I really get annoyed at the fact that it will most likely be people like you QQing the loudest when we get hit by another attack.

LULZ. Who were the QQers, the fearmongers, the whiners, after 9/11? I guarantee you it wasn't the liberals. I do recall Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell (they both blend to me, I don't remember which one it was) blaming the homosexuals, though.

I really get annoyed when people decide they don't like someone because of their political views.

A person's political philosophy speaks to who they are as a person. Just because I could choose not to like you if you were a racist (example, not accusation), I can choose to not like you for views I find similarly repugnant.

Despite how fucked up I think a lot of your (you in general) political views are, I still like most of you. Even Daniel.

I'm sure I could go out and down beers with all of you, no problem. Like is easy. But if you are asserting you and I could be friends, lol. Even you know that would probably never happen.

Feel free to not like me because my views differ from yours though. I won't be losing any sleep, but it speaks volumes about your character.

Believe me, I am not coming to burn your house down.

-TheE-