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ClydeR
08-09-2009, 04:03 PM
I learned this morning that the homosexual agenda is encroaching on the way colleges assign roommates to new students. It came to light in a letter to advice columnist Dear Amy.
Dear Amy: My 18-year-old son "Bob" is leaving for his freshman year of college in August. Bob just received his roommate assignment, and after "friending" him on Facebook, Bob discovered that his roomie is gay.
More... (http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/columnists/chi-0720-ask-amyjul20,0,7955418.column)
When I called the university to ask if Bob could be assigned another roomie, the housing director intimated that I was persecuting the gay roommate and that if my son didn't start out rooming with the gay student, then Bob could go to another school. He can put in for a room change during the first two weeks of school if he wants to switch.
I was taken aback. The university (a Jesuit school) has no policy for gay/straight roommates, other than that they don't permit discrimination. Bob will room with the assigned roommate.
Is it discrimination when a straight man doesn't want to room with a gay man? Do you think schools should have a policy about this?
The liberal advice columnist replied, and has been forced to reply again in a followup column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/columnists/advice/chi-0808-ask-amyaug08,0,194560.column), that she thinks there's nothing wrong with it. But I can assure you that many, many people in this country don't share her opinion.
Bob, who I imagine would normally do very well with his new independent living, was right to have his mom call the university and complain about the assigned roommate. Why should colleges be allowed to discriminate against Bob by forcing him to live with a homosexual?
If students can have gay roommates, then students should be allowed to have co-ed roommates.
Its only fair...
Euler
08-09-2009, 04:50 PM
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
Ashlander
08-09-2009, 06:30 PM
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
:rofl:
Androidpk
08-09-2009, 06:33 PM
If students can have gay roommates, then students should be allowed to have co-ed roommates.
Its only fair...
Hell yeah!
If students can have gay roommates, then students should be allowed to have co-ed roommates.
Its only fair...
I can only imagine checking that off on the form. Desired roommate traits:
female
no fatties
Gelston
08-09-2009, 08:42 PM
Don't most colleges give you the choice of paying for a single room, without a roommate? I know they are usually more expensive, but if they are that damn concerned....
The only folks who were lucky enough to get single rooms were the RA's when I was a dorm rat.
Ravenstorm
08-09-2009, 10:20 PM
It's almost a truism that the guys most afraid of being hit on by a gay guy have the least to fear of it actually happening.
Bhuryn
08-09-2009, 10:44 PM
If students can have gay roommates, then students should be allowed to have co-ed roommates.
Its only fair...
Some colleges allow co-ed roommates now.
diethx
08-09-2009, 11:07 PM
Don't most colleges give you the choice of paying for a single room, without a roommate? I know they are usually more expensive, but if they are that damn concerned....
There are usually a lot more people who want single rooms than there are rooms to accomodate them all. Sometimes they're reserved for people with a certain amount of credits or GPA (which rules out freshmen, like the kid mentioned), people who are older/non-traditional, sometimes they're for special programs, sometimes it's just a lotto or whatever. Granted, this won't be the case at every school.
4a6c1
08-09-2009, 11:44 PM
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
this is why gays and women should not be allowed in college.
It's funnier multiplied by 5.
It's almost a truism that the guys most afraid of being hit on by a gay guy have the least to fear of it actually happening.
Not wanting a gay roommate doesn't mean you're terrified he'll want to bone you.
Bhuryn
08-10-2009, 12:38 AM
I could care less if a guy likes chicks or dicks personally, but I could never live with a gay guy. It's sort of like living with a women without the sex and there's no reason I can comprehend why in the hell you'd do that.
diethx
08-10-2009, 12:42 AM
I could care less if a guy likes chicks or dicks personally, but I could never live with a gay guy. It's sort of like living with a women without the sex and there's no reason I can comprehend why in the hell you'd do that.
lol, you do realize that not all gay guys are effeminate and/or act like women, right?
lol, you do realize that not all gay guys are effeminate and/or act like women, right?
Still doesn't mean you have to be comfortable living with them.
diethx
08-10-2009, 12:53 AM
Still doesn't mean you have to be comfortable living with them.
I most certainly agree. I was simply commenting on Bhuryn's comment about how it's like living with a woman without the sex. Not all gay guys behave like women though.
Mabus
08-10-2009, 01:05 AM
Still doesn't mean you have to be comfortable living with them.
That is a personal choice.
I had occasion to live in a house with two gentlemen that were in a relationship. This was back in the early 80's, and acceptance of their lifestyle wasn't near what it is now.
We never had any issues. I was never worried whether I would be "hit on" by them or their friends (when one of their friends that did not know me would pop by and it did happen I would just state "Sorry, I am a breeder!" and we would all laugh).
The one fella, Tom, was a friggen amazing cook. I remarked to him after a prime rib meal once, "If you had tits I'd marry you.", to his laughter.
I would have no issues with a child of mine sharing a dorm room with a homosexual.
Bhuryn
08-10-2009, 01:17 AM
lol, you do realize that not all gay guys are effeminate and/or act like women, right?
You realize that some people aren't always serious and you could light up, right?
diethx
08-10-2009, 01:21 AM
You realize that some people aren't always serious and you could light up, right?
I'm sorry, i'm accustomed to jokes being funny. My bad if I misunderstood.
And did you seriously tell me to lighten up? Did I seem angry or something? I guess the "lol" was pretty telling...
lol at the beginning means you are laughing at what a dumbass the person is. Lol at the end means this was all said jokingly. lol
diethx
08-10-2009, 01:31 AM
lol at the beginning means you are laughing at what a dumbass the person is. Lol at the end means this was all said jokingly. lol
lol, really? lol. What does a lol in the middle mean? lol
radamanthys
08-10-2009, 01:40 AM
Gays may not all be femmes, but most all college students want to get laid. If someone disagrees with homosexuality, it would certainly create extreme tension in those types of situations.
What if someone found out his new roommate was a neo-nazi? Or, even more unthinkable, an accordion player? Could they change then?
4a6c1
08-10-2009, 07:58 AM
I think it comes down to not gay, straight or (transexual!!) anything inbetween but who you are COMFORTABLE going shirtless and/or pantsless around.
Men are easier to live with. Cleaner and less drama. Plus they have been groomed by society to not give a shit about what I do and the fact that I ate nothing yesterday but pigged out on gummibears and icecream today. If a girl saw they she would be all like
'OMG ARE YOU OKAY?? YOU ARE TOTALLY on a BINGE! Are you OVULATING?? Because Hannah told me that Jill was doing that too and you know what she read about that in O magazine??!
[And then paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit about bullshit that you have to pay attention to because at the end she asks...]
"SO, LIKE...WHAT DO YOUTHINK ABOUT THAT??!"
Not as bad as an accordian but it comes close.
Not to mention the opportunity for countless episodes of sympathy sex.
Great advertising for dorms, "A new fuck buddy each semester!".
ClydeR
08-10-2009, 10:17 AM
Don't most colleges give you the choice of paying for a single room, without a roommate? I know they are usually more expensive, but if they are that damn concerned....
Bob isn't the one who should have to pay for the single room. Bob is the one being discriminated against. The person who should pay extra for the single room should be teh homosexual.
Bhuryn
08-10-2009, 10:32 AM
Bob isn't the one who should have to pay for the single room. Bob is the one being discriminated against. The person who should pay extra for the single room should be teh homosexual.
Does the homosexual have an issue with his roommate?
ClydeR
08-10-2009, 10:51 AM
Does the homosexual have an issue with his roommate?
He's causing the issue.
Latrinsorm
08-10-2009, 01:45 PM
Gays may not all be femmes, but most all college students want to get laid. If someone disagrees with homosexuality, it would certainly create extreme tension in those types of situations.Doesn't it generally create extreme tension when someone's roommate is hanging around during their sexual activity? General poor form, that. (But then again so is having your mom call your college. I hope the kid is properly mortified.)
What if someone found out his new roommate was a neo-nazi? Or, even more unthinkable, an accordion player? Could they change then?The solution to both problems is to surreptitiously plant Little Richard tunes into the other person's head.
Celephais
08-10-2009, 02:07 PM
I would have no issues with a child of mine sharing a dorm room with a homosexual.
But maybe your child would... It's also quite a bit different in a dorm room than sharing an apartment/house. I'm all for not discriminating, but if a student isn't comfortable with his roommate, I don't think the reason for wanting another one matters.
Doesn't it generally create extreme tension when someone's roommate is hanging around during their sexual activity? General poor form, that. (But then again so is having your mom call your college. I hope the kid is properly mortified.)The solution to both problems is to surreptitiously plant Little Richard tunes into the other person's head.
haha, first thing I thought of was "Why is his mom calling? He's 18."
My neighbor (a) in college had a terrible roommate (b), (a) went home one weekend and (b) took a picture with (a)'s camera with his nuts on (a)'s mouthwash. (a) didn't see the picture until after using said mouthwash.
Another friend of mine did have a gay roommate, not sure how that turned out, but my friend is a ginger so I think if anyone was being discriminated against it was the gay kid there.
Mabus
08-10-2009, 02:41 PM
But maybe your child would...
As I said in my post, "That is a personal choice.".
For those that would be uncomfortable:
Where does this discomfort come from? Is it that you worry you will be "raped"? Do you find that they have "cooties" that will somehow infect you? Are you concerned that you have latent tendencies, and that being around someone that is comfortable with their homosexuality may lead you to accepting your own? Is it a religious intolerance?
Honestly, I am interested in why people would have issues with this sort of living arrangement. If boundaries were set at the start there should be 0 issues.
(using a general "You")
radamanthys
08-10-2009, 03:19 PM
Doesn't it generally create extreme tension when someone's roommate is hanging around during their sexual activity? General poor form, that.
Very true, very true.
It's the same as if I were hardcore christian and my roomie was a satanist. Or a butcher and a vegan. The list goes on.
It's just a clash. Each should be free to switch if they want. Forcing them to live together is pretty irresponsible on the part of Residence Life.
That said, I'd put money on it being bob's mom who had the real problem with it. Not bob.
(But then again so is having your mom call your college. I hope the kid is properly mortified.)The solution to both problems is to surreptitiously plant Little Richard tunes into the other person's head.
Sadist. Hehe.
Scott
08-10-2009, 03:37 PM
Very true, very true.
It's the same as if I were hardcore christian and my roomie was a satanist. Or a butcher and a vegan. The list goes on.
It's just a clash. Each should be free to switch if they want. Forcing them to live together is pretty irresponsible on the part of Residence Life.
That said, I'd put money on it being bob's mom who had the real problem with it. Not bob.
Who do you switch him with? Every college I know of won't let you do a thing unless something opens up. Maybe someone will drop out, other roommates start having issues, etc. Until then, this guy is stuck with whatever they give him. Freshmen are assigned a room and a roommate. Until someone leaves or other roommates start having problems, there isn't anywhere for him to go.
radamanthys
08-10-2009, 03:44 PM
Who do you switch him with? Every college I know of won't let you do a thing unless something opens up. Maybe someone will drop out, other roommates start having issues, etc. Until then, this guy is stuck with whatever they give him. Freshmen are assigned a room and a roommate. Until someone leaves or other roommates start having problems, there isn't anywhere for him to go.
Depends on the school. He certainly could have been put on a wait-list rather than be bludgeoned for his values (distasteful as they may be).
Scott
08-10-2009, 03:52 PM
Depends on the school. He certainly could have been put on a wait-list rather than be bludgeoned for his values (distasteful as they may be).
They gave him that option.
From the article:
When I called the university to ask if Bob could be assigned another roomie, the housing director intimated that I was persecuting the gay roommate and that if my son didn't start out rooming with the gay student, then Bob could go to another school. He can put in for a room change during the first two weeks of school if he wants to switch.
diethx
08-10-2009, 04:21 PM
I think it comes down to not gay, straight or (transexual!!) anything inbetween but who you are COMFORTABLE going shirtless and/or pantsless around.
Men are easier to live with. Cleaner and less drama. Plus they have been groomed by society to not give a shit about what I do and the fact that I ate nothing yesterday but pigged out on gummibears and icecream today. If a girl saw they she would be all like
'OMG ARE YOU OKAY?? YOU ARE TOTALLY on a BINGE! Are you OVULATING?? Because Hannah told me that Jill was doing that too and you know what she read about that in O magazine??!
[And then paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit about bullshit that you have to pay attention to because at the end she asks...]
"SO, LIKE...WHAT DO YOUTHINK ABOUT THAT??!"
Not as bad as an accordian but it comes close.
lol, your women friends suck.
haha, first thing I thought of was "Why is his mom calling? He's 18."
Ahahahaha! Me too.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-10-2009, 05:08 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. A perfectly hetero guy is ok with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes (football team), but if he knows one of them is gay it's suddenly a concern? I know the argument will surely turn to "well the gay guy wants to cornhole me and that's different", but really... it's only an issue for those that are looking for issues. GTF over it.
Personally, I'd appreciate a gay roommate because he'd bring his hags over and give me personal grooming and clothing tips :) And just personal opinion, but the gay men I know are cleaner and more presentable than most the straight men I know, and half the women.
Bobmuhthol
08-10-2009, 05:10 PM
<<A perfectly hetero guy is ok with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes>>
How does coming up with a totally irrelevant (and invalid) example prove a point? I am "perfectly hetero" and I am not okay with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes. I also wouldn't want a gay roommate.
diethx
08-10-2009, 05:12 PM
I also wouldn't want a gay roommate.
Not that I question this, but why exactly? What are your reasons for it?
Mabus
08-10-2009, 05:12 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. A perfectly hetero guy is ok with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes (football team), but if he knows one of them is gay it's suddenly a concern? I know the argument will surely turn to "well the gay guy wants to cornhole me and that's different", but really... it's only an issue for those that are looking for issues. GTF over it.
Personally, I'd appreciate a gay roommate because he'd bring his hags over and give me personal grooming and clothing tips :) And just personal opinion, but the gay men I know are cleaner and more presentable than most the straight men I know, and half the women.
QFT
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-10-2009, 05:18 PM
<<A perfectly hetero guy is ok with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes>>
How does coming up with a totally irrelevant (and invalid) example prove a point? I am "perfectly hetero" and I am not okay with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes. I also wouldn't want a gay roommate.
Most would probably agree that the example hetero man plays sports and sports players typically shower after practice and games. I was making an example of a very common practice of men who shower in front of other men regularly and no bitching is done, and using that comparison to living with a non-hetero man and how it really isn't a big leap.
I'll take you at your word you are perfectly hetero and wouldn't want a gay roommate.
I don't see what the big deal is. A perfectly hetero guy is ok with taking a shower in front of 20 dudes (football team), but if he knows one of them is gay it's suddenly a concern? I know the argument will surely turn to "well the gay guy wants to cornhole me and that's different", but really... it's only an issue for those that are looking for issues. GTF over it.
If you've played sports you know that openly "out" people do not really play on any level and if they did it would be a major problem in the locker room. The reason men are ok with taking a shower with 20 other guys is they know that no one in there is sexually attracted to guys showering. If the person was it would be a problem, even if the person is not sexually attracted to them in particular it's still a problem. What about a scenario where I assured 19 other women that I wasn't attracted to any of them, but I still liked girls, would it be ok to shower together? Would they be comfortable with that? Somehow I highly doubt it.
diethx
08-10-2009, 05:31 PM
If you've played sports you know that openly "out" people do not really play on any level and if they did it would be a major problem in the locker room. The reason men are ok with taking a shower with 20 other guys is they know that no one in there is sexually attracted to guys showering. If the person was it would be a problem, even if the person is not sexually attracted to them in particular it's still a problem. What about a scenario where I assured 19 other women that I wasn't attracted to any of them, but I still liked girls, would it be ok to shower together? Would they be comfortable with that? Somehow I highly doubt it.
Are all those girls into other girls? Or are they into guys? Because that also makes a difference.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-10-2009, 05:44 PM
If you've played sports you know that openly "out" people do not really play on any level and if they did it would be a major problem in the locker room. The reason men are ok with taking a shower with 20 other guys is they know that no one in there is sexually attracted to guys showering. If the person was it would be a problem, even if the person is not sexually attracted to them in particular it's still a problem. What about a scenario where I assured 19 other women that I wasn't attracted to any of them, but I still liked girls, would it be ok to shower together? Would they be comfortable with that? Somehow I highly doubt it.
I don't understand how it's a problem. Explain what the problem is? Is it only applicable to men?
I'm saying 20 guys showering together isn't an issue in that scenario, and that 2 of them can't live together if one is openly gay is stupid. Let's be real here... the fear is based on the premise that the homosexual will see or do something that a hetero wouldn't. Do you have some perception that I do not? How is living with a homosexual any different than one who isn't?
I wouldn't expect my hetero roommate to bang his GF in front of me, or suck faces for hours either... so I wouldnt' expect that a homo would mack on his bf or get a bj or anything of the like either. IF THEY (either situation) did it consistently, I'd talk to them or move, depending on which it was, but not before anything of the like occured.
This kid and his mom are just bitching because they have a perception that homosexuals are evil or bad, not based at all on the real person he'd be moving in with. I wonder if they'd be bitching the same if his facebook said he did pot or drank alot - somehow I think not. What if he was black! Or muslim?! What if he was a black muslim homosexual?! Someone call 911.
The whole point is it's discrimination. End of story.
Celephais
08-10-2009, 05:46 PM
Are all those girls into other girls? Or are they into guys? Because that also makes a difference.
I like where this is going.
radamanthys
08-10-2009, 05:58 PM
I don't understand how it's a problem. Explain what the problem is? Is it only applicable to men?
I'm saying 20 guys showering together isn't an issue in that scenario, and that 2 of them can't live together if one is openly gay is stupid. Let's be real here... the fear is based on the premise that the homosexual will see or do something that a hetero wouldn't. Do you have some perception that I do not? How is living with a homosexual any different than one who isn't?
I wouldn't expect my hetero roommate to bang his GF in front of me, or suck faces for hours either... so I wouldnt' expect that a homo would mack on his bf or get a bj or anything of the like either. IF THEY (either situation) did it consistently, I'd talk to them or move, depending on which it was, but not before anything of the like occured.
This kid and his mom are just bitching because they have a perception that homosexuals are evil or bad, not based at all on the real person he'd be moving in with. I wonder if they'd be bitching the same if his facebook said he did pot or drank alot - somehow I think not. What if he was black! Or muslim?! What if he was a black muslim homosexual?! Someone call 911.
The whole point is it's discrimination. End of story.
Bob and his mom are being discriminatory against gays. But they're allowed to.
The school is discriminating against bob if, and only if, the reason they would not let him move was because of his prejudice (especially if related to religious preference). If they just didn't move people, that'd be different. Otherwise, they're discriminating against the values of bob by not allowing him to move.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-10-2009, 06:00 PM
They gave him that option.
From the article:
When I called the university to ask if Bob could be assigned another roomie, the housing director intimated that I was persecuting the gay roommate and that if my son didn't start out rooming with the gay student, then Bob could go to another school. He can put in for a room change during the first two weeks of school if he wants to switch.
Was already said.
I don't understand how it's a problem. Explain what the problem is? Is it only applicable to men?
I'm saying 20 guys showering together isn't an issue in that scenario, and that 2 of them can't live together if one is openly gay is stupid. Let's be real here... the fear is based on the premise that the homosexual will see or do something that a hetero wouldn't. Do you have some perception that I do not? How is living with a homosexual any different than one who isn't?
I wouldn't expect my hetero roommate to bang his GF in front of me, or suck faces for hours either... so I wouldnt' expect that a homo would mack on his bf or get a bj or anything of the like either. IF THEY (either situation) did it consistently, I'd talk to them or move, depending on which it was, but not before anything of the like occured.
This kid and his mom are just bitching because they have a perception that homosexuals are evil or bad, not based at all on the real person he'd be moving in with. I wonder if they'd be bitching the same if his facebook said he did pot or drank alot - somehow I think not. What if he was black! Or muslim?! What if he was a black muslim homosexual?! Someone call 911.
The whole point is it's discrimination. End of story.
What if the issue was the roommate did cocaine, would you continue to be upset that the person did not want to live with them?
Ravenstorm
08-10-2009, 06:09 PM
What if the issue was the roommate did cocaine, would you continue to be upset that the person did not want to live with them?
As as usual, the ones who are prejudiced shift the goalposts. We're not talking about what someone does. We're talking about what someone is. The problem isn't that he brings guys back to the dorm and fucks them on your bed. Just that he's gay. Not comparable to doing drugs. In fact, it's not comparable to DOING anything.
diethx
08-10-2009, 06:10 PM
What if the issue was the roommate did cocaine, would you continue to be upset that the person did not want to live with them?
Coke is illegal. Sucking dick isn't.
If you've played sports you know that openly "out" people do not really play on any level and if they did it would be a major problem in the locker room.
Source? Don't bother, it's not true.
The reason men are ok with taking a shower with 20 other guys is they know that no one in there is sexually attracted to guys showering.
OR, it's because some people are actually capable of being mature adults.
What if the issue was the roommate did cocaine, would you continue to be upset that the person did not want to live with them?
You're seriously comparing a cokehead roommate to a gay roommate?
Having a roommate that does cocaine has tangible negative effects (illegal activity in the room, potential for theft, etc.). Having a gay roommate isn't going to hurt the straight guy unless he's a homophobe.
Source? Don't bother, it's not true.
Sure, you find me an openly gay professional football, basketball, or baseball player who is still playing. Don't worry, I'll wait.
ClydeR
08-10-2009, 06:53 PM
Source? Don't bother, it's not true.
You're just being silly. Everybody knows it's true, and the Drewster could easily cite 10 or more sources if he wanted to. Or you could Google it yourself.
You're seriously comparing a cokehead roommate to a gay roommate?
The Drewster is right again. Being a homosexual is worse than being a cokehead. A cokehead is physically addicted to coke. They can't help it. But a homosexual can change if he wants to.
Sure, you find me an openly gay professional football, basketball, or baseball player who is still playing. Don't worry, I'll wait.
People play sports in all sorts of venues other than the professional level.
Also, I note that you even specified "on any level".
Mabus
08-10-2009, 06:59 PM
Sure, you find me an openly gay professional football, basketball, or baseball player who is still playing. Don't worry, I'll wait.
I don't know about "still playing", but here is a partial list:
List of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender sportspeople - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lesbian,_gay,_bisexual,_and_transgender_sp ortspeople)
Now you provide a list of every heterosexual that these people have hurt with their sexuality.
Coke is illegal. Sucking dick isn't.
Ok fair enough. Let's say the roommate did salvia which is legal. They would be wrong for saying "That makes me uncomfortable and I would rather live with someone else"?
I don't know about "still playing", but here is a partial list:
List of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender sportspeople - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lesbian,_gay,_bisexual,_and_transgender_sp ortspeople)
Now you provide a list of every heterosexual that these people have hurt with their sexuality.
I assure you that in the big 4 sports there has never been a professional gay player who was out while he was playing.
Mabus
08-10-2009, 07:04 PM
I assure you that in the big 4 sports there has never been a professional gay player who was out while he was playing.
Does that mean the ones that were not "out" while playing also never took showers with others?
What harm did these people cause?
Perhaps they kept their sexuality private because of the bias they knew they would be subjected to?
diethx
08-10-2009, 07:05 PM
You're still comparing apples and oranges. Smoking salvia affects both roommates as there's a second-hand smoke effect. Plus, aren't most dorms these days non-smoking? Therefore, smoking it in the room would still be illegal.
One roommate being gay does not effect the other roommate directly like smoking would.
Mabus
08-10-2009, 07:09 PM
Does that mean the ones that were not "out" while playing also never took showers with others?
What harm did these people cause?
Perhaps they kept their sexuality private because of the bias they knew they would be subjected to?
Here is a nice NPR article on an NFL player's thoughts about being gay and playing:
A Gay Football Player, 'Alone in the Trenches' (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5190140)
An excerpt:
What if one of those billion people watching recognized me as the stranger he had picked up in a gay bar? All he had to do was out me to the press and the story would be all over the headlines: "Gay Man Makes Final Tackle in Super Bowl." My football career would be finished.
No more Super Bowls, no more Sundays playing ball. No more paychecks, no more financial security. No more locker-room banter, no more camaraderie with the guys. I would be banished from the NFL fraternity.
During my nine years in the NFL, I lived that close to the edge of destruction. My success tormented me. The better I did, the more exposure I received. The more exposure, the greater the chance of someone discovering my secret. A secret that a man who plays the most macho of team sports is not supposed to have. The stress nearly killed me.
How friggen sad is that? Pinnacle of his career, playing in the Super Bowl, and afraid people would find out he was gay.
You're still comparing apples and oranges. Smoking salvia affects both roommates as there's a second-hand smoke effect. Plus, aren't most dorms these days non-smoking? Therefore, smoking it in the room would still be illegal.
One roommate being gay does not effect the other roommate directly like smoking would.
No I'm not, both could make people uncomfortable and I think that you shouldn't be forced to live in that situation in a place like a college where changing to a new roommate is trivial.
Ravenstorm
08-10-2009, 07:37 PM
No I'm not, both could make people uncomfortable and I think that you shouldn't be forced to live in that situation in a place like a college where changing to a new roommate is trivial.
So you think someone should be able to request a room assignment change because they're uncomfortable rooming with an Evangelical Christian?
Androidpk
08-10-2009, 07:42 PM
Ok fair enough. Let's say the roommate did salvia which is legal. They would be wrong for saying "That makes me uncomfortable and I would rather live with someone else"?
On a side note, anyone that smokes salvia deserves to be made fun of.
diethx
08-10-2009, 07:48 PM
No I'm not, both could make people uncomfortable and I think that you shouldn't be forced to live in that situation in a place like a college where changing to a new roommate is trivial.
I agree both could make people uncomfortable. That doesn't mean your comparison makes sense though. ;)
Anyway, where would that line of thinking stop? What if you felt uncomfortable around Jews? Or people with brown hair? I mean, so long as it made you uncomfortable, you should be able to switch rooms right? No matter how irrational that feeling of uncomfortableness is.
College is an arena not just to learn new things but to open yourself up to new experiences. If you can't handle trying that to the point where you need your mommy to call and fix things for you, maybe you should stay home and commute.
No I'm not, both could make people uncomfortable and I think that you shouldn't be forced to live in that situation in a place like a college where changing to a new roommate is trivial.
I understand that a specific gay individual could make someone uncomfortable but just checking a box gay on a form doesn't tell you anything I feel are overly relevant when it comes to living with an individual. Things like do you smoke, are you clean, are you social, etc. all give me much more information than gay.
radamanthys
08-10-2009, 08:54 PM
So you think someone should be able to request a room assignment change because they're uncomfortable rooming with an Evangelical Christian?
Absolutely.
4a6c1
08-10-2009, 08:58 PM
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv183/rojodisco/catchedtehgay1.jpg
TheEschaton
08-11-2009, 12:31 PM
A) I'm psyched that this is a Jesuit school that denied his request. Fuck you hardcore Catholics who think just because the Jesuits are Catholic they're going to satisfy every whim of your narrowminded views!
B) College is all about learning to be uncomfortable with who you live with. I lived with two guys from NJ my freshman year, and as much as I wanted to change rooms, I couldn't. Now, I can stand the presence of Jerseyites.
C) Like Ravenstorm said, this isn't about what someone is doing, but what someone is. What if the roommate was black, and the kid said, "Hey, I don't wanna live with a nigger," especially before meeting the guy?
D) The sex thing is irrelevant. I had all hetero roommates, and I was never once was in the room when they were having sex, nor were they in the room when I was. That's what socks on doorknobs are for. If your roommate is having sex in front of you, that's a problem, gay or straight. Unless your roommate is a hot lesbian. (j/k...sorta).
E) What, are you afraid your roommate will want to fuck you, and you don't want to fuck him? Shit, welcome to the world of women. Sex is a consent-based act, and if your roommate, straight female or gay male, is having sex with you against your consent, that's rape, which is not only justification for moving rooms, but is highly illegal. The only real fear here is that you might want to have sex with your gay roommate.
Jesuit educated for 11 years, Catholic for 28, love,
-TheE-
Tsa`ah
08-12-2009, 07:18 AM
The only real fear here is that you might want to have sex with your gay roommate, or your gay room mate might not want to have sex with you..
Fixed it for you .... and that should probably be /thread.
Rocktar
08-12-2009, 09:17 AM
So you think someone should be able to request a room assignment change because they're uncomfortable rooming with an Evangelical Christian?
Since you are paying a LOT of money to go to a college or university, you should, in as many ways as possible, be satisfied with the experience. This is simple customer service and has finally hit home with a lot of schools. Unfortunately, you won't see such customer service and satisfaction out of primary education since you don't really get to take your business elsewhere unless well moneyed. So, in the end, you should be able to choose not to live with a room mate for about any reason. And because of that, schools would be well suited to employ some kind of screening like is found on eHarmony or other dating sites to find people that are more likely to get along.
Clove
08-12-2009, 09:27 AM
lol, really? lol. What does a lol in the middle mean? lolYou're blonde.
Clove
08-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Coke is illegal. Sucking dick isn't.I wouldn't be so sure of that. What was it, 6 years ago the Texas case went to the Supreme Court because a homosexual couple was busted in on by the police and arrested for sodomy (which usually encompasses more than just the literal definition). I believe there are still sodomy laws on the books (some cover oral sex) but they generally only get invoked to tack extra charges to rape cases.
Clove
08-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Since you are paying a LOT of money to go to a college or university, you should, in as many ways as possible, be satisfied with the experience. This is simple customer service and has finally hit home with a lot of schools. Unfortunately, you won't see such customer service and satisfaction out of primary education since you don't really get to take your business elsewhere unless well moneyed. So, in the end, you should be able to choose not to live with a room mate for about any reason. And because of that, schools would be well suited to employ some kind of screening like is found on eHarmony or other dating sites to find people that are more likely to get along.The college said the kid could put in for a room change.
Mighty Nikkisaurus
08-12-2009, 09:39 AM
Would a gay person really want to room with someone who didn't want to room with them on account of their sexuality? I can imagine that wouldn't be too comfortable/nice of an experience for the gay roommate.
Parkbandit
08-12-2009, 10:22 AM
3 snaps
in Z formation...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmL5s3k9o9U
ClydeR
08-12-2009, 10:55 AM
The college said the kid could put in for a room change.
Reading between the lines (where most of the information usually is), I concluded that he could put in for a room change if he had a good reason, and not wanting to room with a homosexual would not be a good enough reason. Bob would have to make up a reason.
Latrinsorm
08-12-2009, 11:59 AM
Would a gay person really want to room with someone who didn't want to room with them on account of their sexuality? I can imagine that wouldn't be too comfortable/nice of an experience for the gay roommate.Just like any other people, there are gay people who are militant about being gay. I'm not qualified to say whether it's justified or not, but there is definitely a sense of satisfaction derived from getting in the face of a person like "Bob" for some people.
Clove
08-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Reading between the lines (where most of the information usually is), I concluded that he could put in for a room change if he had a good reason, and not wanting to room with a homosexual would not be a good enough reason. Bob would have to make up a reason.No. Reading between the lines the college would not change the room because the parent bitched. The kid would have to put in a request personally.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Since you are paying a LOT of money to go to a college or university, you should, in as many ways as possible, be satisfied with the experience. This is simple customer service and has finally hit home with a lot of schools. Unfortunately, you won't see such customer service and satisfaction out of primary education since you don't really get to take your business elsewhere unless well moneyed. So, in the end, you should be able to choose not to live with a room mate for about any reason. And because of that, schools would be well suited to employ some kind of screening like is found on eHarmony or other dating sites to find people that are more likely to get along.
Why should the school have to accomodate that? Do apartment complexes screen their tenants before allowing them to live with each other? The only thing your idea would do is drive up housing costs, and the whole point is inexpensive/close housing right?
Bobmuhthol
08-12-2009, 03:20 PM
<<Not that I question this, but why exactly? What are your reasons for it?>>
To avoid all the gay drama, obviously. I wouldn't have a fit about it, but if I was going to choose my ideal roommate, it would be a straight man or woman.
<<Do apartment complexes screen their tenants before allowing them to live with each other?>>
I have never heard of a landlord renting out the same apartment to two complete strangers??? Where do I sign up?
Ravenstorm
08-12-2009, 03:34 PM
To avoid all the gay drama, obviously.
You mean the drunken partying, unprotected sex, vomiting on the bathroom floor, and locking you out of the suite because he's banging someone?
Wait. Those are straight frat boys.
What exactly is gay drama?
EndlessDreams
08-12-2009, 03:46 PM
You mean the drunken partying, unprotected sex, vomiting on the bathroom floor, and locking you out of the suite because he's banging someone?
Wait. Those are straight frat boys.
What exactly is gay drama?
Gay Drama = A battle to the death to determine which Gucci sunglasses look better or a violent debate over which Cher song wins the "most fabulous" award.
Ok, I know that was a below the belt shot, hah.
Disclaimer: I have gay friends and have nothing against them. I would be rolling on the ground laughing though if any of the above took place.
radamanthys
08-12-2009, 03:54 PM
You mean the drunken partying, unprotected sex, vomiting on the bathroom floor, and locking you out of the suite because he's banging someone?
Drunken partying. Yea. Gays don't do that.
Unprotected sex. Nope, not at all. Only straight guys.
Vomiting on the bathroom floor. Oh, there's never been stomach acid and appletini on any embroidered bath towels.
And a lockout due to banging someone. Hm.
Oh, and no gays in frats. That's a no-no.
Just sayin'.
diethx
08-12-2009, 04:06 PM
I wouldn't be so sure of that. What was it, 6 years ago the Texas case went to the Supreme Court because a homosexual couple was busted in on by the police and arrested for sodomy (which usually encompasses more than just the literal definition). I believe there are still sodomy laws on the books (some cover oral sex) but they generally only get invoked to tack extra charges to rape cases.
Were they convicted?
To avoid all the gay drama, obviously.
All what gay drama?
Ravenstorm
08-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Drunken partying. Yea. Gays don't do that.
Unprotected sex. Nope, not at all. Only straight guys.
Vomiting on the bathroom floor. Oh, there's never been stomach acid and appletini on any embroidered bath towels.
And a lockout due to banging someone. Hm.
Oh, and no gays in frats. That's a no-no.
Just sayin'.
Congratulations for getting the point. And no, that's not sarcasm. It's behavior that can lead to a problem and it's not specific to any one group.
Bobmuhthol
08-12-2009, 04:08 PM
I guess I needed to use italics there but I thought it was pretty obvious. In any event, I hate to admit that I agree with radamanthys' post; your argument is just as valid as mine, and mine wasn't real.
diethx
08-12-2009, 04:09 PM
I guess I needed to use italics there but I thought it was pretty obvious. In any event, I hate to admit that I agree with radamanthys' post; your argument is just as valid as mine, and mine wasn't real.
So you have no reasoning then?
radamanthys
08-12-2009, 04:11 PM
Congratulations for getting the point. And no, that's not sarcasm. It's behavior that can lead to a problem and it's not specific to any one group.
mmhmm. People suck all around.
I like teh gays, but they're just as fucked up as everyone else- straight, asexual, polysexual or otherwise.
Except for furries. They're pure evil.
Bobmuhthol
08-12-2009, 04:55 PM
<<So you have no reasoning then?>>
That's exactly what that means.
diethx
08-12-2009, 04:56 PM
What a shocker.
Bobmuhthol
08-12-2009, 04:58 PM
Lol?
Tsa`ah
08-12-2009, 05:24 PM
I have never heard of a landlord renting out the same apartment to two complete strangers??? Where do I sign up?
Communal living apartments are very common in almost every college town.
Methais
08-12-2009, 05:47 PM
I wouldn't want some gay dude checking me out while I'm brushing my teeth either or walk in from class and see him spanking it to Lemonparty.
It's almost a truism that the guys most afraid of being hit on by a gay guy have the least to fear of it actually happening.
So then it's ok for a guy to watch a chick get dressed in front of him as long as he doesn't make any moves on her right? I mean, she should feel totally comfortable in that situation, despite not being a straightophobe?
Bob should tell them he's allergic to gays just to see what they say.
One thing slightly off topic I'm wondering though is why is the school asking students what their sexual preference is to begin with? There are gay guys out there that you'd never guess in a million years that they like to smoke the meat stick other than walking in on them banging some biker or the dude just being "Yo dude, I'm gay. Just sayin'."
Or maybe Bob's roommate is one of those gay guys that absolutely insists that EVERYBODY know he's gay and just how gay and fabulous he is..
Tsa`ah
08-12-2009, 05:52 PM
Your argument makes the assumption that a gay person will always find their room mate as an object of attraction. It actually speaks more to the notion that it would be far more upsetting to find out that you weren't found attractive.
diethx
08-12-2009, 05:59 PM
One thing slightly off topic I'm wondering though is why is the school asking students what their sexual preference is to begin with?
They didn't. It says he friended him on myspace or facebook or something and found out he was gay like that.
Methais
08-12-2009, 05:59 PM
Your argument makes the assumption that a gay person will always find their room mate as an object of attraction.
Not really. It's not really any different than a chick not wanting to get undressed in front of a guy, even if she knows he's not attracted to her.
It actually speaks more to the notion that it would be far more upsetting to find out that you weren't found attractive.
I'd actually feel quite the opposite. Unless you meant that it'd be upsetting to you, because you've secretly wanted to cyber with me all this time. :hitwithrock:
Tsa`ah
08-12-2009, 06:25 PM
Not really. It's not really any different than a chick not wanting to get undressed in front of a guy, even if she knows he's not attracted to her.
That logic is circular at best. You're ok stripping down in front of a guy if he's straight, but not in front of a gay guy because you assume that he's going to stare at your junk ... but if a straight guy looks at your junk, or even your ass, you're ok with that.
That sounds, forgive me, gay.
I'd actually feel quite the opposite. Unless you meant that it'd be upsetting to you, because you've secretly wanted to cyber with me all this time. :hitwithrock:
I wouldn't care one way or the other. I've never seen a room mate nude or they see me nude. Nor did I care if they were gay or straight. I'm secure enough in my own sexuality not to really care if gays find me attractive or not.
Two years of college ball and no one ever really had enough problem to vocalize an issue with one known gay man on the team. After all ... you would have to be pretty fucked up to go through all of that just to see cock and ass once a day for 5 days.
I think the problem stems from people assuming they would be the object of a gay person's affection.
Methais
08-12-2009, 06:39 PM
Wait...you're saying it sounds gay to be more comfortable around a straight guy than a gay guy?
Chances are the straight guy wouldn't be looking at my junk to begin with.
Plus when it comes to people of whatever sex one is attracted to, most people tend to grab a quick glance anyway, even if they're not actually attracted to them and already know it.
Don't try claim you've never given a fat chick a once over, even if it was by accident when your mind was like "Don't do it!" and then you're like "Dear God why did I do that?"
Anyway I'm slightly exaggerating in most of this thread. I wouldn't really expect to walk in and find my roommate blowing a load all over the monitor with Lemonparty as his wallpaper. Unless it was a really old gay dude maybe..
The best part of this thread is I made diethx say DOUCHEHOLE.
diethx
08-12-2009, 06:43 PM
hehehehe
4a6c1
08-12-2009, 11:13 PM
Where are all you people meeting the package-goggling flamers who Z-snap into the air??!
All the gay men I've met recently made me hate the world. I found them in a gym and thought they were straight...
I think Arkans broke my gaydar sometime in 2004.
:-X
Rocktar
08-13-2009, 09:31 AM
Why should the school have to accomodate that? Do apartment complexes screen their tenants before allowing them to live with each other? The only thing your idea would do is drive up housing costs, and the whole point is inexpensive/close housing right?
Apartment houses don't assign you a room mate, you pick one yourself. And how much can a computer program like that cost, the last one I saw advertized to measure compatability was on the order of 29 bucks. And that was a long time ago. As if filling out another online form costs all that much. And no, the point was housing period, most places that have large colleges can't anywhere near support the influx of population otherwise.
Tsa`ah
08-14-2009, 10:16 AM
Apartment houses don't assign you a room mate, you pick one yourself. And how much can a computer program like that cost, the last one I saw advertized to measure compatability was on the order of 29 bucks. And that was a long time ago. As if filling out another online form costs all that much. And no, the point was housing period, most places that have large colleges can't anywhere near support the influx of population otherwise.
Again ... communal living apartments.
TheRunt
08-14-2009, 01:11 PM
Men are easier to live with. Cleaner and less drama.
Men are cleaner? Just my personal experience but women are three times more likely to be cleaner than men, except gay men, they run about 3x more likely to be cleaner than straight men. I will agree with the drama though :)
Personally, I'd appreciate a gay roommate because he'd bring his hags over and give me personal grooming and clothing tips :) And just personal opinion, but the gay men I know are cleaner and more presentable than most the straight men I know, and half the women.
You do have a point there, except at least half the hags, are too fucked up to get a straight guy, that's why they're hags.
Are all those girls into other girls? Or are they into guys? Because that also makes a difference.
Are you saying that a bunch of lesbians wouldn't mind showering in front of a man? Seriously?
Communal living apartments are very common in almost every college town.
Again ... communal living apartments.
Most if not all communal living apartments I've seen are rented by one or two people who then sublet rooms out to other individuals, usually after interviews. A little before school starts, look in the rental ads, they will be full of looking for room mate/s, with a list of requirements.
I look at it this way, would you approve of a college issuing co-ed rooms, if the students didn't want to room with a person of the opposite sex? That's the closest parallel that I can come up with. Yes in this case they do have the same parts, but they have opposite sexuality.
AnticorRifling
08-14-2009, 01:18 PM
Let's make sure they drink out of seperate water fountains and sit in certain seats on the bus while we're at it.
diethx
08-14-2009, 01:39 PM
Are you saying that a bunch of lesbians wouldn't mind showering in front of a man? Seriously?
No, that's not what I said at all. However I do feel that anyone, not just a bunch of lesbians, would be less self-conscious about their body in front of someone they're not attracted to, as opposed to someone they are attracted to. At least that's what's been my experience in dorm/communal living.
AnticorRifling
08-14-2009, 01:42 PM
No, that's not what I said at all. However I do feel that anyone, not just a bunch of lesbians, would be less self-conscious about their body in front of someone they're not attracted to, as opposed to someone they are attracted to. At least that's what's been my experience in dorm/communal living.
I'm the exception that proves the rule. There is no shame in my game, looking is free but touching is gonna cost ya.
diethx
08-14-2009, 01:44 PM
I'm the exception that proves the rule. There is no shame in my game, looking is free but touching is gonna cost ya.
hehehehe
Rocktar
08-16-2009, 09:02 AM
Again ... communal living apartments.
Again, you are a fucking moron. You get to choose who is living in the hole with you. Not so in assigned housing.
ClydeR
09-23-2009, 11:15 AM
A friend suggested privately that my article about the homosexual college roommate ignored the history of people avoiding black roommates. He sent me an article (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html) and a video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/01/18/intv.lemon.donnelly.cnn) about the girl who was supposed to room with Michelle Robinson in college but decided not to when she discovered that Miss Robinson, now Mrs. Obama, was black.
I don't think it's the same thing at all, but in the interest of being fair and balanced I thought I'd pass it along to see what you think.
4a6c1
09-23-2009, 12:32 PM
Relevant.
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s28/Chandra9901/Other/rainbowskin4.jpg
Gelston
09-23-2009, 12:34 PM
I would not want him as a college roommate.
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