Birthers

[Mabus]

It should come as no shock to anyone that I am not a big supporter of the president, or his policies. I do, however, believe he was born in Hawaii and is a natural born US citizen.

Is this "birther" shit for real? Do people really believe this nonsense?

Are these the same people that thought GW blew up the towers on 9/11, that believe UFO's are anally-probing trailer-park trash and/or that socialism is an acceptable and workable system for large societies that enjoy individual rights and freedoms?

What the hell happened to this country that such utter BS can become accepted by large portions of this country?

/rant

[Back]

I fully believe that a UFO probed you anally.

For serious, I think you are generalizing on your own bias. I would not liken “birthers” to UFO cults... more akin to GHWBs service in the military questioners. Like Dan Rather.

[Androidpk]

You need to brush up on your conspiracy theories. GWB wasn't in charge on 9/11.

[Mabus]

I fully believe that a UFO probed you anally.:wtf:


For serious, I think you are generalizing on your own bias. I would not liken “birthers” to UFO cults... more akin to GHWBs service in the military questioners. Like Dan Rather.
A certificate of live birth and a local newspaper congratulating the parents on the birth of their son should well lay the issue to rest.

Despite the evidence the "birthers" continue.

When only 4 in 10 US citizens firmly believe in evolution, and 57% believe in UFOs, I admit we have some issues to resolve in educating our populace.

The "birther" issue is most striking in the South, where 53% of respondents either answered "No" (23%) or "Not Sure" (30%) to the question "Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?".

It just blows my mind that more then half the people in an area could have doubt over what I firmly believe is a settled issue.

[Back]

:wtf:


A certificate of live birth and a local newspaper congratulating the parents on the birth of their son should well lay the issue to rest.

Despite the evidence the "birthers" continue.

When only 4 in 10 US citizens firmly believe in evolution, and 57% believe in UFOs, I admit we have some issues to resolve in educating our populace.

The "birther" issue is most striking in the South, where 53% of respondents either answered "No" (23%) or "Not Sure" (30%) to the question "Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?".

It just blows my mind that more then half the people in an area could have doubt over what I firmly believe is a settled issue.

We totally agree. Further, how does Lou Dobbs sleep at night? Oh, right, in the pile of money CNN pays him like Uncle Scrooge McFuckhead.

[nub]

The "birther" issue is most striking in the South, where 53% of respondents either answered "No" (23%) or "Not Sure" (30%) to the question "Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?".

It just blows my mind that more then half the people in an area could have doubt over what I firmly believe is a settled issue.

Could it maybe be that some people answered "not sure" because they really don't know because they haven't been watching the news or just don't care?

[Mabus]

We totally agree. Further, how does Lou Dobbs sleep at night? Oh, right, in the pile of money CNN pays him like Uncle Scrooge McFuckhead.
If you mean his "The president should produce his birth certificate." comments, then you must admit that the $20 for a certified birth certificate to be sent by registered mail would be well worth it to put an end to the misguided views of many conspiracy theorists. Not all, of course, because some would say it was forged, etc.

Not a big Lou Dobbs fan, sorry.

[Mabus]

Could it maybe be that some people answered "not sure" because they really don't know because they haven't been watching the news or just don't care?
That could be true (and likely does affect the numbers), but discounting all the "Not Sure" still leaves the 23% that are "true believers".

[Kuyuk]

I don't give a shit if he was born on mars..

I still voted for him.



K.

[Hulkein]

I still voted for him.


You suck.

[Kuyuk]

me and millions of others.

I still wouldnt change my vote.

K.

[Apotheosis]

I have to say that Lou Dobbs has a good point: he could lay this to rest by producing something.

The inherent problem lies in the fact that it's actually much more fun and sadistic to withhold that information and laugh at all the crazies that come out of the woodwork convinced that he's not a natural born citizen.

I've found the older the person is, the more likely they're to believe that particular conspiracy.

I think this is a non-issue and quietly chuckle at the stupid people claiming otherwise: their time could be better spent supporting valid reasons/grass root causes that are critical of the current administration.


I wonder how many variations of this particular "conspiracy" will exist by the end of Obama's term.

[TheEschaton]

I don't think they're the same conspiracy nuts, but they're the same type - the type who look logic in the face and laugh at it. It's just they crop up in different people for different issues.

An example of this un-logic: People scoffed when Obama produced a "Certificate of Live Birth", claiming this wasn't a Birth Certificate, even though it was then shown that under HI law, a "Certificate of Live Birth" is issued at birth and serves as a formal birth certificate under its laws. Just because it didn't say "Birth Certificate".

-TheE-

[Latrinsorm]

I have to say that Lou Dobbs has a good point: he could lay this to rest by producing something.One of the most vocal leaders of this "movement" has actually said that because Pres. Obama's father was not an American, he (Pres. Obama) is Constitutionally barred from holding the Presidency, and therefore he cannot produce anything that will have the slightest impact. She's also a dentist, though, and we all know how wishy-washy those fucks are.

[Warriorbird]

Who believes this sort of thing?

The same people who believe Obama's election was an immediate Communist takeover, ZOMG! IE... several members of this board.

My last boss believed that George Bush and John Kerry were part of some evil Skull and Bones conspiracy to control America and he made it through a bar exam.

In America you're free to believe whatever crazy shit you want.

You get to believe that Obama is evil enough to post 800 times on it. I got to mention how much the Iraq war cost over one hundred times in the same one year period. Life goes on. We're still a divided nation.

[Mabus]

You get to believe that Obama is evil enough to post 800 times on it.
Go read the first post. I do not believe the "birther" BS.

And being "evil" was never a consideration of mine for why I did not vote for the politician; it was his lack of experience, his record, his proposed policies and being able to see through the BS he sold folks like you (eg. not one of those beltway politicians, no lobbyists, no warrantless wiretapping, close GITMO immediately, troops out now, ending "Don't ask don't tell", etc.).

Most of the bill of goods he sold have turned out to be about as big a bag of crap as the "birther" nonsense, but I digress.


I got to mention how much the Iraq war cost over one hundred times in the same one year period.
I was against invading Iraq. There goes your point.


Life goes on. We're still a divided nation.
Divide and conquer, eh?

[Donquix]

One of the most vocal leaders of this "movement" has actually said that because Pres. Obama's father was not an American, he (Pres. Obama) is Constitutionally barred from holding the Presidency, and therefore he cannot produce anything that will have the slightest impact. She's also a dentist, though, and we all know how wishy-washy those fucks are.

If i remember correctly she is a dentist, lawyer, and real estate agent.

It's 3 kinds of crazy wrapped up into one.

[Clove]

I don't think they're the same conspiracy nuts, but they're the same type - the type who look logic in the face and laugh at it.Can't fool you...

[ClydeR]

They have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate. That should be enough to make you think it might be more than a rumor.

[Celephais]

Yeah.. pretty irrefutable
http://osmoothie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/25hlhmp.jpg

[LMingrone]

"B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Superallah Obama."

I actually did spit coffee out reading that. Too funny.

[Parkbandit]

I have to say that Lou Dobbs has a good point: he could lay this to rest by producing something.

The inherent problem lies in the fact that it's actually much more fun and sadistic to withhold that information and laugh at all the crazies that come out of the woodwork convinced that he's not a natural born citizen.

I've found the older the person is, the more likely they're to believe that particular conspiracy.

I think this is a non-issue and quietly chuckle at the stupid people claiming otherwise: their time could be better spent supporting valid reasons/grass root causes that are critical of the current administration.


I wonder how many variations of this particular "conspiracy" will exist by the end of Obama's term.


Obama has zero interest in "proving" that he is a natural born citizen... in fact, he is LOVING this conspiracy. It allows him to marginalize anyone who opposes his politics as "one of those birther freaks conspiracy believers".

People need to stop going after Obama on stupid things like this and go after him on things that really matter.. like Tax/Cap, Healthcare, tax raises, the crazy ass Czars he's appointing, etc...

[Tsa`ah]

"the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

That was the language in 1790, in 1795 the language changed a bit to remove "natural born".

Even if Obama was born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen and his father did reside in the US as well (if you want to push it that far). If it held for McCain, it holds for Obama.

I can't say these people are idiots ... they have to know about the Naturalization Act ... they just intentionally leave it out of their claims to bolster doubt. All of them know damned well he's a citizen and eligible for the executive office, but they also know that there are millions of morons, idiots, and dumbass' out there that will believe the garbage they spew. They don't want the courts to decide on their cases, they want them clogging up the dockets until Nov 4, 2011.

[Proxy]

I have to say that Lou Dobbs has a good point: he could lay this to rest by producing something.

Bingo, and that I think is why everyone is screaming about it. From what I've managed to fish out of the internet thus far one the topic, all indicators would place obama as a natural born subject of England / a citizen of Kenya, and as a possible legal us citizen by way of immigration. not as a citizen of the US eligible to hold the office of president. Color me impressed but I'm beyond reasonable doubt that. at this point, Obama's claim of being a natural born citizen is fraudulent.

That said, why did this douche bag seal every known record of his existence? The only simple logical conclusion to what I've been seeing is that obama is trying to hide one hell of a bomb from the public eye & everyone else.

Now as much fun as the Birther topic is, I maintain that I voted for Obama based 100% on my understanding that he was the absolute WORST contender for the office. And I am 100% pleased with his performance to point. And if it does turn out that the dick weed is guilty of defrauding the US public and is in fact a person ineligible to hold the office of president then thats just going to be icing on the cake. I have zero doubt that he'll make one epically awesome mess before he's impeached/removed...

and just for the sake of ref. here is a "decent" article on the topic..

http://www.birthers.org/

[TheEschaton]

LOL.

The problem is, a Certificate of Live Birth HAS been produced, from HI. Multiple times. And it's been discounted as "invalid" by Birthers for the reason Tsa`ah outlined above, and/or a belief that it's not real because it says "Certificate of Live Birth" instead of "Birth Certificate".

-TheE-

[ArkainSkyShroud]

+1 to ParkBandits last post. agreed.
Someone rant on the strikingly large amount of similarities betwixt Bush and Obama ::pause:: please?

[Proxy]

I've found on three dif sites to point, one not being a birther site. that HI does in fact issue CoLB to non natural born citizens as common practice, so Obama's possession of that document, officially issued or not is thrown into some seriously bad light due its origins. Though I will say that my Birth Cert is titled as a Cert of Live Birth, and I was born in LA. :Shrug:

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

LOL.

The problem is, a Certificate of Live Birth HAS been produced, from HI. Multiple times. And it's been discounted as "invalid" by Birthers for the reason Tsa`ah outlined above, and/or a belief that it's not real because it says "Certificate of Live Birth" instead of "Birth Certificate".

-TheE-

Ditto.

His birth certificate was posted on his own website for quite some time. People blatantly choose to ignore it or write it off as a fake when they have no basis to do so.

Also, huge ditto to PB.

[Tsa`ah]

I've found on three dif sites to point, one not being a birther site. that HI does in fact issue CoLB to non natural born citizens as common practice, so Obama's possession of that document, officially issued or not is thrown into some seriously bad light due its origins. Though I will say that my Birth Cert is titled as a Cert of Live Birth, and I was born in LA. :Shrug:

So by that logic, you could argue that anyone born in HI is suspect. The documentation has been provided, inspected, and authenticated ... the Naturalization Act makes it irrelevant.

[Proxy]

I for one won't write it off or ignore it. but because of the a number of things I'm seeing, and have read pro or con in regard I would require more proof then that cert. Had it been from any other state but HI for example I wouldn't have a concern weather it was true or not. That said His BC + his mothers BC would go a hell of long way with me as far has Lightning from the Heights claim goes.


So by that logic, you could argue that anyone born in HI is suspect. The documentation has been provided, inspected, and authenticated ... the Naturalization Act makes it irrelevant.

exactly what I'm saying. And why? Because of the practices and policies of that state make them such.

EDIT: One thing though, this is in relation to CoLB issued in Hawaii, they do in fact issue BC as a separate doc. But since Obama doesn't have one of those its kind of moot.

[Tsa`ah]

So you're ignoring the Naturalization Act and every ruling of it.

[ClydeR]

That was the language in 1790, in 1795 the language changed a bit to remove "natural born".

You answered your own argument. The Constitution requires that the President be a "natural born" citizen. According to you, the Naturalization Act provided until 1795 that someone in Obama's position was natural born. But after that date, the natural born language was dropped. How can you possibly think that fact, which you honestly and commendably volunteered, bolsters your argument?

[Tsa`ah]

Actually, the case against Goldwater was sunk in the water with your argument. Did they ever hear the case against McCain?

[ClydeR]

Yeah.. pretty irrefutable

Correct. The Kenyan birth certificate is convincing. Otherwise, someone would refute it.

[ClydeR]

People blatantly choose to ignore it or write it off as a fake when they have no basis to do so.

How is that different from the treatment given to the Kenyan birth certificate?

[Parkbandit]

So you're ignoring the Naturalization Act and every ruling of it.

The requirements to be President of the United States of America are not spelled out by the Naturalization Act, but by the Constitution. Those requirements are:

1) You have to be a native born citizen of the United States or to parents who are both citizens of the United States

2) You have to be 35 years of age

3) You have had to have lived in the US for at least 14 years.

The Birthers contend that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but in Kenya... to a mother who is a US Citizen and to a father who is not.

[Tsa`ah]

You realize the naturalization act indicates that being born of a citizen is the same as a vagina spitting you out on US soil.

Do some reading on the subject.

[ClydeR]

Did they ever hear the case against McCain?

McCain is a Senator. You don't have to be natural born to be a Senator. Also, McCain was born on a United States military base in Panama. If it's on the military's property, like in Panama or on a Navy ship or anywhere in Iraq's oil fields, then it's okay.

[Back]

If I am looking for facts I always look to ClydeR. If I want dumbfounded conspiracies I go to the local library.

[Androidpk]

If it's on the military's property, like in Panama or on a Navy ship or anywhere in Iraq's oil fields, then it's okay.


ClydeR made a funny :D

[ClydeR]

You realize the naturalization act indicates that being born of a citizen is the same as a vagina spitting you out on US soil.

How vivid.

In your zealousness, you are overlooking an important issue. The "natural born" requirement is in the Constitution. The Naturalization Act, which you haven't been able to harness in support of your point anyway, is a mere law passed by Congress. Congress does not have the power, through the normal legislative process, to define Constitutional terms, like "natural born." Suppose Congress passed a law defining the annoying words "liberty" and "due process" in a way that allows states to outlaw abortion and contraception.

Except in those cases where the Constitution specifically delegates to Congress the right to interpret the Constitution, the power and authority to construe the meaning of the Constitution are necessarily outside of the legislative reach. Otherwise, the Constitution would be no more durable than the current party in power.

So says Clyde.

[Proxy]

How vivid.

In your zealousness, you are overlooking an important issue. The "natural born" requirement is in the Constitution. The Naturalization Act, which you haven't been able to harness in support of your point anyway, is a mere law passed by Congress. Congress does not have the power, through the normal legislative process, to define Constitutional terms, like "natural born." Suppose Congress passed a law defining the annoying words "liberty" and "due process" in a way that allows states to outlaw abortion and contraception.

Except in those cases where the Constitution specifically delegates to Congress the right to interpret the Constitution, the power and authority to construe the meaning of the Constitution are necessarily outside of the legislative reach. Otherwise, the Constitution would be no more durable than the current party in power.

So says Clyde.

Wow...

your wrong ClydeR, who ever you are, but wow none the less. Any article in the constitution can be ratified by the house. They DO have the authority to adjust and update laws, bills, etc to a very long reaching degree. All ref to the immigration act post 1795 are valid changes. They can be challenged in SCOTUS but until then they are the law. The reforms made to the act should be challenged IMO btw...

Now that said, the issue I have with twits eligibility to hold the office he does Isn't in the the act in question. Granted I'm going off impressions and memories from high school gov & civic class here. But regardless of what changes where made to the immigration act in 1795 there exists specific ruling else wise that hold anyone that would not be considered a natural born citizen is ineligible. Looking through my old text right now, because I'm curious to figure this one out...

As for the immigration act its self. So long as Obama's mother can prove she is a citizen then so to is he. Regardless of where he's born. Unless he was claimed as a British Subject through his father first. Then he's British. Any ways by wording of the actual act, there would be no other limitations that would prevent him from holding office.

[crb]

I think this whole hullabaloo is being talked up by liberals in an attempt to discredit conservatives in a guilt by association manuever.

[Parkbandit]

I think this whole hullabaloo is being talked up by liberals in an attempt to discredit conservatives in a guilt by association manuever.

I don't know.. I think there are plenty of idiot Republicans talking it up and believing in it. The liberals are hoping they continue, so they can say "God, if you believe in the Birther conspiracy, you are too stupid to debate healthcare with"

[ClydeR]

I think this whole hullabaloo is being talked up by liberals in an attempt to discredit conservatives in a guilt by association manuever.

It might be a hullabaloo, except that there are other unreleased records. Looking at obamanotqualified.com, I find several other important records that Obama is covering up, including his parent's marriage license, his kindergarten records (the kindergarten claims they're lost), his college records, his baptism certificate and his medical records. Even you have to admit that it's pretty suspicious that he won't produce those vital records that most of us could find in less than five minutes if we needed them.

[Parkbandit]

You realize the naturalization act indicates that being born of a citizen is the same as a vagina spitting you out on US soil.

Do some reading on the subject.

Please tell me you know the difference between being a US Citizen and being a natural born US Citizen.

Take your own advice... do some reading.

Hell, take my advice and swallow 300 sleeping pills at once.

[Donquix]

It might be a hullabaloo, except that there are other unreleased records. Looking at obamanotqualified.com, I find several other important records that Obama is covering up, including his parent's marriage license, his kindergarten records (the kindergarten claims they're lost), his college records, his baptism certificate and his medical records. Even you have to admit that it's pretty suspicious that he won't produce those vital records that most of us could find in less than five minutes if we needed them.

I can't find any of that stuff. FUCK I"M KENYAN

[Celephais]

So if we invade Kenya and make it the 51st state, he'd be cool right?

[Bhuryn]

Well, McCain was saved because the Panama backwoods fuckstop where he was born was American controlled at the time. Don't really care though, someone will always find something to bitch about. The democrats will do it if a republican get elected next term.

[TheRunt]

"the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States."

That was the language in 1790, in 1795 the language changed a bit to remove "natural born".

Even if Obama was born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen and his father did reside in the US as well (if you want to push it that far). If it held for McCain, it holds for Obama.


The law at the time of his birth, for children born overseas to a citizen and a non-citizen, the citizen had to have lived in the US for 8 years, 5 of which must be after they are 14, his mother was 18 not 19 so she couldn't of passed on citizenship to him. So technically, if he was born in Kenya and didn't go through the immigration process he's not only ineligible for presidency, he's actually an illegal alien. :rofl:

[Tsa`ah]

Please tell me you know the difference between being a US Citizen and being a natural born US Citizen.

Tell us how the Constitution defines "natural born".


Well, McCain was saved because the Panama backwoods fuckstop where he was born was American controlled at the time.

Actually, it wasn't. Never the less, it would be ignorant to argue that he's not a citizen or eligible for the office of President.


The law at the time of his birth, for children born overseas to a citizen and a non-citizen, the citizen had to have lived in the US for 8 years, 5 of which must be after they are 14, his mother was 18 not 19 so she couldn't of passed on citizenship to him. So technically, if he was born in Kenya and didn't go through the immigration process he's not only ineligible for presidency, he's actually an illegal alien. :rofl:

I think you're confused about the citizenship status of Obama's mother ... and the law you believe pertinent to your statement.

[TheRunt]

I think you're confused about the citizenship status of Obama's mother ... and the law you believe pertinent to your statement.

No I'm not confused about the citizenship status of his mother. She is/was a citizen correct? And your right I was confused about the law I stated. I was wrong it is 10yrs(not 8) total, 5 of which must be after the attain the age of 14


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

[Mabus]

The requirements weren't changed until 1952, after Obama was born.
He was born August 4, 1961.

[TheRunt]

He was born August 4, 1961.

Doh. :oops:

Time to edit my previous post with the correct version of the law.

ETA That makes it much easier to provide a good link. I had a slightly difficult time trying to find a site with the older info on it.

[Daniel]

It should come as no shock to anyone that I am not a big supporter of the president, or his policies. I do, however, believe he was born in Hawaii and is a natural born US citizen.

Is this "birther" shit for real? Do people really believe this nonsense?

Are these the same people that thought GW blew up the towers on 9/11, that believe UFO's are anally-probing trailer-park trash and/or that socialism is an acceptable and workable system for large societies that enjoy individual rights and freedoms?

What the hell happened to this country that such utter BS can become accepted by large portions of this country?

/rant

and you wonder why you lost.

[Daniel]

I have to say that Lou Dobbs has a good point: he could lay this to rest by producing something.

.


Uhhh...he has. It's not his fault that these whacko's won't believe anything.

[Mabus]

and you wonder why you lost.
In know why.

Partially because enough people believed the BS the current president was spewing. But it was mainly because another candidate got more votes then the one I supported.

It happens, Daniel. Someone wins, someone loses. Perhaps you can harp on this for a few more years?

[Bhuryn]

and you wonder why you lost.

It's a wonder that people that could be considered educated actually think their vote matters now a days. The Media elects the president, not because they're all in powerful, but because this country's average political IQ is skewed dangerously close to a slug's.

[Mabus]

It's a wonder that people that could be considered educated actually think their vote matters now a days. The Media elects the president, not because they're all in powerful, but because this country's average political IQ is skewed dangerously close to a slug's.

An enlightened citizenry is indispensable for the proper functioning of a republic. Self-government is not possible unless the citizens are educated sufficiently to enable them to exercise oversight. It is therefore imperative that the nation see to it that a suitable education be provided for all its citizens.
-Thomas Jefferson
Yep.

[Tsa`ah]

Please tell me you know the difference between being a US Citizen and being a natural born US Citizen.

I'm still waiting on the Constitutional definition of "natural born".

[Parkbandit]

I'm still waiting on the Constitutional definition of "natural born".

There is one reason why Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be President.

Let's see.. he's older than 35 and he's been living in the US for the past 14+ years.

If you still require help in figuring this out, seek the professional kind.

[Tsa`ah]

There is one reason why Arnold Schwarzenegger cannot be President.

Let's see.. he's older than 35 and he's been living in the US for the past 14+ years.

If you still require help in figuring this out, seek the professional kind.

Well you have established you're somewhat capable of giving an example ... now how about that Constitutional definition of "natural born".

[Daniel]

In know why.

Partially because enough people believed the BS the current president was spewing. But it was mainly because another candidate got more votes then the one I supported.

It happens, Daniel. Someone wins, someone loses. Perhaps you can harp on this for a few more years?

I got at least another 3 in me.

[TheRunt]

Well you have established you're somewhat capable of giving an example ... now how about that Constitutional definition of "natural born".

If I may step in. Its almost impossible to say. The supreme court has not had a case on this and they are the final authority on the constitution (God help us all). But I would have to assume that the authors meant a citizen at birth, based on British law at the time,which quite a bit of our laws our founded on. But as I posted earlier, Obama would not have been a citizen at birth if he was born in Kenya. His mother(citizen) and father(alien) were married. According to the law at the time of his birth the citizen parent would of had to have been 19 she was only 18. His mother could of applied for naturalized citizenship for him.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

[Parkbandit]

Well you have established you're somewhat capable of giving an example ... now how about that Constitutional definition of "natural born".

We've also established that you still can't figure out that if someone is disqualified because of 1 reason out of 3.. what that 1 reason is (even though I've given it to you twice now..)

Google letting you down today? TRY BING! (here, I'll even provide a link to it for you www.bing.com)

I will say though, that googlexpert is better than bingexpert.

[Tsa`ah]

We've also established that you still can't figure out that if someone is disqualified because of 1 reason out of 3.. what that 1 reason is (even though I've given it to you twice now..)

Google letting you down today? TRY BING! (here, I'll even provide a link to it for you www.bing.com)

I will say though, that googlexpert is better than bingexpert.

You do yourself an injustice by the continued duck and insult responses. It would have been better for you had you just admitted the Constitution doesn't define natural born or just kept your mouse off of the quote button.

Natural born, as stated, isn't defined. Neither jus sanguinis nor jus soli are implied. Perhaps it was over looked or perhaps they didn't care if it was by soil or blood. The only action taken in respect to the term was to retroactively include anyone residing in the colonies, born here or elsewhere in UK territories, as natural born. It was more of a "holy crap, we wrote ourselves out of a potential job" moment.

I'm sorry, but your opinion based on your limited understanding amounts to ... well nothing, nothing at all. I don't think paying attention would have helped since it's all beyond your abilities.

[ClydeR]

You do yourself an injustice by the continued duck and insult responses. It would have been better for you had you just admitted the Constitution doesn't define natural born or just kept your mouse off of the quote button.

Most of the words used in the Constitution are not defined in the Constitution. You have to use your common sense when you read it.

[Parkbandit]

You do yourself an injustice by the continued duck and insult responses.

~~ Block of stupid ~~

I'm sorry, but your opinion based on your limited understanding amounts to ... well nothing, nothing at all. I don't think paying attention would have helped since it's all beyond your abilities.

Thanks for showing us you are above the continued ducking and insult responses though, Shit4Brains. You never cease to prove time and time again what a hypocritical joke you are.

[Warriorbird]

What do you do constantly in this folder, PB? Hmm.

[TheRunt]

Most of the words used in the Constitution are not defined in the Constitution. You have to use your common sense when you read it.

:wtf: A clydeR post that actually makes sense? :gawk:

[Mabus]

Now you too can make a fake birth certificate, just like the lunatics in the "Birther" movement!

Republic of Kenya Birth Certificate Generator! (http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/)

Act now!

I checked, and they even had ClydeR's!
http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/55652220ea9227d25fdb17347a851490.jpg

[ClydeR]

Now you too can make a fake birth certificate, just like the lunatics in the "Birther" movement!

There is no level to which Democrats will not stoop to discredit the legitimate concerns of patriotic Republicans. The lady attorney handling this case has selflessly made herself available to a hostile press (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w) in an effort to get out the truth. Her reward is to be subjected to this -- the worst sort of character assassination.

Let us not assassinate this lady further, Mabus. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

[Tsa`ah]

Thanks for showing us you are above the continued ducking and insult responses though, Shit4Brains. You never cease to prove time and time again what a hypocritical joke you are.

Comedy ... pure comedy.

[Parkbandit]

Comedy ... pure comedy.

I agree... I think you are confused though.. just because we are laughing, doesn't mean we're laughing with you. More than likely, we're laughing AT you.

But you are probably quite used to that by now, aren't you.