Obama Says Spank Other People's Children

[ClydeR]

In his speech to the NAACP's 100th anniversary, Obama said he wish we would go back to a time when it was okay to spank other people's children for misbehaving.

I'm with Obama on this one! He is 100% exactly right. In addition to spanking their own children, people should spank other people's children when those children misbehave in public and their parents are not around.


And by the way, it means we need to be there for our neighbor's sons and daughters. (Applause.) We need to go back to the time, back to the day when we parents saw somebody, saw some kid fooling around and -- it wasn't your child, but they'll whup you anyway. (Laughter and applause.) Or at least they'll tell your parents -- the parents will. You know. (Laughter.) That's the meaning of community. That's how we can reclaim the strength and the determination and the hopefulness that helped us come so far; helped us make a way out of no way.

More... (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5168100.shtml)

Another excellent speech. Good for Obama!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

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[Mtenda]

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[Parkbandit]

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[ElvenFury]

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[radamanthys]

So THAT's what 'community outreach' means!

[TheRunt]

Damn I agree with Obama on something.

[Rocktar]

Well shit, another perfect record broken, I wonder if now, since he said it, we can reverse some of these inane child protection laws and let people get back to parenting. Probably not.

[Geshron]

The distinct lack of culture in some people's upbringings is astounding.

[kookiegod]

The idea spanking children is bad only came about in the 70s, after it worked for 1000s of years, and still works in many countries.

Since we got away from it and its so 'bad', we have locker searches, metal detectors in schools, children carrying weapons, disrespect for authority at all, gangs, etc. Huge improvement right? Just so a kid won't feel 'abused'? I think parents do far worse by not parenting, tossing them in front of the tv or computer unsupervised, or letting them wander around to all hours without supervision.

I definitely don't believe its the end all, be all solution to everything, and even if it came back in vogue, take a generation for changes to come about, and even if I don't agree with Obama on much, this one I do. I got a good belting whenever I earned it growing up and it didn't do me any harm, and when it was over, it was over.

My parents didnt do any of the nonsense like time outs, grounding, the silent treatment, loss of tv, allowance, and later the car. <shrug> My best friend in HS got all of those things, and the emotional damage was far worse than a few minutes with the strap.

It used to be in days past, you got it at school, you got it twice as bad at home. I knew if i got detention I'd be getting it that night as well, and you worked to avoid it.

There are no consequnences now for children, and parents want to blame the school when their kid fails or acts out, and when a teacher tries to do something, they want to sue.

Let alone all the stupidity of things that go on in parenting now. Play dates. Arrests for normal childhood exploration for sexual harrassment, fighting on the playground is evil. Heck, getting my ass kicked on the playground for the first time taught me to stand up for myself and learned the world is a cold, cruel place. Children today aren't learning these lessons, self indulgent with too many toys, ipods, cellphones, etc, and not going to realize the world really is a cold and cruel place, and reality is going to suck for them.

<shrug>

~Paul

[Gan]

I'm all for spanking to negatively reinforce bad behavior. Just keep your damn hands on your own children. Have no children, spank your significant other.

Spank my children and be prepared for an ass beating.

[Jayvn]

Can I spank your signifigant other though gan?

[Keller]

Well shit, another perfect record broken, I wonder if now, since he said it, we can reverse some of these inane child protection laws and let people get back to parenting. Probably not.

Because the problem with parents today is they can't beat their children?

Give me a fucking break.

I'm all for the appropriate spanking/whoopin', but our communities lack of parenting is a lot deeper than laws prohibiting "child abuse."

[Stanley Burrell]

As a father myself, I love my kids, and no matter what may happen in the future, I will continue to love them and do what's right for them. (As an aside; no, my wife and I are not having any marital problems, but I cannot help but put myself in another father's shoes when I read about their relationships with their kids.) I just don't understand how they allowed it to get to this point, and why it cannot be repaired.

[Gan]

Can I spank your signifigant other though gan?
LOL. Thats MY job. ;)


As a father myself, I love my kids, and no matter what may happen in the future, I will continue to love them and do what's right for them. (As an aside; no, my wife and I are not having any marital problems, but I cannot help but put myself in another father's shoes when I read about their relationships with their kids.) I just don't understand how they allowed it to get to this point, and why it cannot be repaired.
Wait, I thought you said you were living with your parents...

:puzzled:

[Stanley Burrell]

Wait, I thought you said you were living with your parents...

:puzzled:

I just did a Google search for "As a father myself."

I think I copied and pasted from an article about Michael Phelps' dad, but I'm not 100% certain, so I apologize.

[Gan]

Are you on mind altering substances again?

[Stanley Burrell]

Are you on mind altering substances again?

No.

But I should be.

[4a6c1]

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[Holybane]

spanking isnt gone....atleast not in my family. In fact when I was in 6 grade which was 2003 the school still had paddling. Of course your parents had to sign a paper (which mine did) and another adult had to be present. My mother babysits and spanks the kids. they range from ages 2-4

I still flinch when she makes a quick movement and im not looking straight at her

[RichardCranium]

I still flinch when she makes a quick movement and im not looking straight at her


Pussy.

[Holybane]

Pussy.

yes I have a pussy. Thanks for noticing:)

[4a6c1]

Holybane is a girl!!!

Show us your boobeez!!

[Gan]

No.

But I should be.

I'm pretty good about SB translation; however, this curve ball went by me like I was blindfolded.

Thus why I had to ask.

:lol:

[4a6c1]

I'm off my game today. I've been mindfucked by men twice in one hour. I'm going to sleep and when I wake up I better be Darth Vader again.

[Rocktar]

Because the problem with parents today is they can't beat their children?

Give me a fucking break.

I'm all for the appropriate spanking/whoopin', but our communities lack of parenting is a lot deeper than laws prohibiting "child abuse."

Are you a fucking moron, no, wait, don’t answer that, you are. In one fell swoop, you take my comment about the utility of spanking your kid as a disciplinary tool and move straight to an assumption that I am supportive of child abuse and think that spanking is the end all, be all of parenting. Only a lawyer with likely no experience in the realm of parenting beyond the liberal ivory tower of gated communities and private schools could make that leap, and/or you.

Nature provides exactly 2 fears when we are born, falling and loud noises and exactly 2 stimuli for reinforcement of behavior, both positive and negative, hunger and pain. In general, children up to the age of from 7-10 do not have the rational capability to understand most explanations, do not have the ability to connect cause and effect that are distantly removed through time and don’t have the attention span beyond their next meal. Now, if you are on the scene of offensive and potentially dangerous behavior, the fastest, most effective and most expedient remedy is a swift, sharp, spanking, and usually never needing more than a few swats with enough sting to take the child’s breath away. I don’t advocate more, and your assumption is offensive, asinine and absurd. Giving up one of the two natural reinforcements is also intellectually absurd.

Give me a fucking break. Even theE and ClydeR don't make such inane leaps.

[Geshron]

Also check out Bernie Mac's set from "Kings of Comedy". I think all Barack was actually trying to do was instill the old-school sensibilities of black communities before they simply became drug havens and other negative environments. The old "fear the wrath of Big Mama" and "whoopin's", more or less. If you grew up with black people beside you too, unwise is he who steps out of line with a proud black mother, bottom line. I totally see his point, whether it's because I was raised in a true ghetto, grew up around black culture or am enamored by the President as some would assume.

I definitely think spanking works. I was a total miscreant at times but when answering to my Dad and his backhand, I always, always thought twice.

[RichardCranium]

yes I have a pussy. Thanks for noticing:)

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Keller]

Are you a fucking moron, no, wait, don’t answer that, you are. In one fell swoop, you take my comment about the utility of spanking your kid as a disciplinary tool and move straight to an assumption that I am supportive of child abuse and think that spanking is the end all, be all of parenting. Only a lawyer with likely no experience in the realm of parenting beyond the liberal ivory tower of gated communities and private schools could make that leap, and/or you.

Nature provides exactly 2 fears when we are born, falling and loud noises and exactly 2 stimuli for reinforcement of behavior, both positive and negative, hunger and pain. In general, children up to the age of from 7-10 do not have the rational capability to understand most explanations, do not have the ability to connect cause and effect that are distantly removed through time and don’t have the attention span beyond their next meal. Now, if you are on the scene of offensive and potentially dangerous behavior, the fastest, most effective and most expedient remedy is a swift, sharp, spanking, and usually never needing more than a few swats with enough sting to take the child’s breath away. I don’t advocate more, and your assumption is offensive, asinine and absurd. Giving up one of the two natural reinforcements is also intellectually absurd.

Give me a fucking break. Even theE and ClydeR don't make such inane leaps.

Please cite the statute that prohibits "a swift, sharp, spanking, and usually never needing more than a few swats with enough sting to take the child’s breath away."

I don't think laws prohibiting the use of unreasonable force in corporal punishment prevent parents from parenting. So, I stand by my original point.

[Latrinsorm]

Talking out of turn... that's a paddling.
Looking out the window... that's a paddling.
Staring at my sandals... that's a paddling.
Using too many God damn commas for no God damn reason... ooh, you better believe that's a paddling.

[Stanley Burrell]

Talking out of turn... that's a paddling.
Looking out the window... that's a paddling.
Staring at my sandals... that's a paddling.
Using too many God damn commas for no God damn reason... ooh, you better believe that's a paddling.

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[Divinity]

Are you a fucking moron, no, wait, don’t answer that, you are. In one fell swoop, you take my comment about the utility of spanking your kid as a disciplinary tool and move straight to an assumption that I am supportive of child abuse and think that spanking is the end all, be all of parenting. Only a lawyer with likely no experience in the realm of parenting beyond the liberal ivory tower of gated communities and private schools could make that leap, and/or you.

Nature provides exactly 2 fears when we are born, falling and loud noises and exactly 2 stimuli for reinforcement of behavior, both positive and negative, hunger and pain. In general, children up to the age of from 7-10 do not have the rational capability to understand most explanations, do not have the ability to connect cause and effect that are distantly removed through time and don’t have the attention span beyond their next meal. Now, if you are on the scene of offensive and potentially dangerous behavior, the fastest, most effective and most expedient remedy is a swift, sharp, spanking, and usually never needing more than a few swats with enough sting to take the child’s breath away. I don’t advocate more, and your assumption is offensive, asinine and absurd. Giving up one of the two natural reinforcements is also intellectually absurd.

Give me a fucking break. Even theE and ClydeR don't make such inane leaps.

Um. Children understand cause and effect at an early age. That's why they cry and continue to cry as they get older. It does go "beyond their next meal."

My 9 month old will cry when she is hungry. I'll sign and ask if she is hungry. She will put her hand to her mouth and talk. Then she'll look at the bottle I have made and she'll reach for it while crying. She eats.

Children understand much more than your above statement. I'm not suggesting that I have a full blown conversation about how she would like her food prepared. I'm suggesting that alternative methods can be introduced to children.

My daughter knows that if I raise my voice that there is something wrong. If I use a sharp tone, I immediately have her attention. I've never spanked her. *shrugs* I believe many more factors are involved in a child's process and it's largely dependent on their enviroment.

I've heard some parents say that if you resort to spanking than you missed the opportunity to use other methods before it got to that point.

I don't know if I'll spank my daughter when she gets older. I won't remove it from my options but I will try to pacify the situation BEFORE she begins to act out in such a way that I might think it warrants it.

[kookiegod]

I don't know if I'll spank my daughter when she gets older. I won't remove it from my options but I will try to pacify the situation BEFORE she begins to act out in such a way that I might think it warrants it.

Exactly.

Its not the tool of first resort, but of last, but when I got there as a kid, I knew I blew thru my options, and when the belt came out, wasn't going back till I was very sorry for what I did.

Considering it was only a few times a year, said my parents did and I did ok most of the time.

~Paul

[Gan]

Um. Children understand cause and effect at an early age. That's why they cry and continue to cry as they get older. It does go "beyond their next meal."

My 9 month old will cry when she is hungry. I'll sign and ask if she is hungry. She will put her hand to her mouth and talk. Then she'll look at the bottle I have made and she'll reach for it while crying. She eats.

Children understand much more than your above statement. I'm not suggesting that I have a full blown conversation about how she would like her food prepared. I'm suggesting that alternative methods can be introduced to children.

My daughter knows that if I raise my voice that there is something wrong. If I use a sharp tone, I immediately have her attention. I've never spanked her. *shrugs* I believe many more factors are involved in a child's process and it's largely dependent on their enviroment.

I've heard some parents say that if you resort to spanking than you missed the opportunity to use other methods before it got to that point.

I don't know if I'll spank my daughter when she gets older. I won't remove it from my options but I will try to pacify the situation BEFORE she begins to act out in such a way that I might think it warrants it.

Great post.

[Rocktar]

Just retarded, more proof that you will read what you want Keller. You assumed that my comment meant one thing and ran with it. And yes, in many states, even laying your hand on a kid is child abuse. You are the legal eagle, you go look it up yourself. I am tired of trying to educate you, get off your ass and go find out yourself.

[Keller]

Just retarded, more proof that you will read what you want Keller. You assumed that my comment meant one thing and ran with it. And yes, in many states, even laying your hand on a kid is child abuse. You are the legal eagle, you go look it up yourself. I am tired of trying to educate you, get off your ass and go find out yourself.

This post reminds me of the last time you made shit up out of whole-cloth.

"I'm going to make an asinine statement, and you'll need to prove me wrong."

I'd prefer to just say you're a liar and leave it at that.

[Bhuryn]

Just retarded, more proof that you will read what you want Keller. You assumed that my comment meant one thing and ran with it. And yes, in many states, even laying your hand on a kid is child abuse. You are the legal eagle, you go look it up yourself. I am tired of trying to educate you, get off your ass and go find out yourself.

Really which ones? (Hint: there are none). All states allow parents or guardians to use reasonable corporal punishment. Many still allow school teachers too since they fall into the "persons responsible for care and wellbeing".

[CrystalTears]

Just retarded, more proof that you will read what you want Keller. You assumed that my comment meant one thing and ran with it. And yes, in many states, even laying your hand on a kid is child abuse. You are the legal eagle, you go look it up yourself. I am tired of trying to educate you, get off your ass and go find out yourself.
The burden of proof is on you, since you're the one making the claim. So either provide your sources or STFU.

[AnticorRifling]

Um. Children understand cause and effect at an early age. That's why they cry and continue to cry as they get older. It does go "beyond their next meal."

My 9 month old will cry when she is hungry. I'll sign and ask if she is hungry. She will put her hand to her mouth and talk. Then she'll look at the bottle I have made and she'll reach for it while crying. She eats.

Children understand much more than your above statement. I'm not suggesting that I have a full blown conversation about how she would like her food prepared. I'm suggesting that alternative methods can be introduced to children.

My daughter knows that if I raise my voice that there is something wrong. If I use a sharp tone, I immediately have her attention. I've never spanked her. *shrugs* I believe many more factors are involved in a child's process and it's largely dependent on their enviroment.

I've heard some parents say that if you resort to spanking than you missed the opportunity to use other methods before it got to that point.

I don't know if I'll spank my daughter when she gets older. I won't remove it from my options but I will try to pacify the situation BEFORE she begins to act out in such a way that I might think it warrants it. What works for you works for you.

The problem is most people assume that it's their way or the highway and heaven forbid someone do something that doesn't fall in line with their plan even if it's not their child.

Your method I wouldn't do, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for you and doesn't mean I think you're a bad parent/idiot/whatever for doing it. I think the key is finding what works for the parent and the child.

I'm just waiting for the days when my kids are old enough for boxing gloves and the backyard. :)

[Sweets]

Talking out of turn... that's a paddling.
Looking out the window... that's a paddling.
Staring at my sandals... that's a paddling.
Using too many God damn commas for no God damn reason... ooh, you better believe that's a paddling.


:rofl:

[Divinity]

What works for you works for you.

The problem is most people assume that it's their way or the highway and heaven forbid someone do something that doesn't fall in line with their plan even if it's not their child.

Your method I wouldn't do, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for you and doesn't mean I think you're a bad parent/idiot/whatever for doing it. I think the key is finding what works for the parent and the child.

I'm just waiting for the days when my kids are old enough for boxing gloves and the backyard. :)

I completely agree.

My sisters and I used those large foam noodles that are usually used for pools when we needed to get our frustrations out. It lightens the tension. We were too busy laughing in the middle of it to take it seriously.