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Parkbandit
07-16-2009, 04:23 PM
The health care overhauls released to date would increase, not reduce, the burgeoning long-term health costs facing the government, Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf said Thursday.

That is not a message likely to sit well with congressional Democrats or the Obama administration, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., said Thursday she thinks lawmakers can find ways to wring more costs out of the health system as they continue work on their bills.

The chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Democrat Max Baucus of Montana, who has not yet released a bill, said his panel is acutely aware of the long-term cost concern. “Clearly our committee will do what it can,” he said. “We are very seriously concerned about that issue. We very much want to come up with a bill that bends the cost curve.”

But Baucus suggested the White House is making the task difficult with opposition to one cost-cutting approach Elmendorf cited — limiting or even ending the tax exclusion for employer-provided health benefits.

The Democrats and President Obama have cited two goals in their overhaul proposals — expanding coverage to the estimated 47 million Americans who currently lack it and bringing down long-term costs because the growth in Medicare and Medicaid spending threatens to swamp the federal budget in coming years.

Under questioning from Chairman Kent Conrad , D-N.D., Elmendorf told the Senate Budget Committee that the congressional proposals released so far do not meet that second test.

“In the legislation that has been reported, we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount and, on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs,” he said.

Elmendorf was not addressing the narrow question of whether the Democrats’ legislation would be budget-neutral over 10 years. Congressional Democrats and the White House have promised to offset the cost of health care legislation over that period.

But budget analysts and some members fear the legislation will not slow the growth of health care spending enough to prevent it from overwhelming the federal budget after that 10-year window.

Earlier this week, House leaders introduced their overhaul plan, which is being considered by three committees this week.

Elmendorf said that CBO has not completed its evaluation of the House plan, but what it has seen so far does not represent “the sort of fundamental change, the order of magnitude necessary to offset the direct increase in federal health costs from the insurance coverage proposals.”

The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee approved its draft bill Wednesday, and Christopher J. Dodd , D-Conn., the acting chairman of that panel, said his panel had reduced the initial price tag of its bill as estimated by the CBO. “I’m very confident we can meet the president’s goal of having a fully paid-for 10 year program on health care right around $1 trillion,” he said.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003168293

Wait.. I thought the major reason that this HAD TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY was to save taxpayers some money....

Oops?

Rocktar
07-16-2009, 10:54 PM
Nah, it "had to happen immediately" to consolidate power in the Marxist proletariat as fast as possible before the euphoria and hysteria wore off at electing the first black, Marxist president that would kiss old world European ass and people woke up and realized just who they elected.

Kuyuk
07-16-2009, 11:10 PM
how many fucking threads are you going to make regarding the health care issue?

just make the one and piggy back on it

TheEschaton
07-16-2009, 11:57 PM
I wonder how many times Rocktar can say Marxist in one post.

I wonder if he knows what an actual Marxist is.

Stanley Burrell
07-17-2009, 12:00 AM
I wonder how many times Rocktar can say Marxist in one post.

I wonder if he knows what an actual Marxist is.

Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo and Zeppo, amirite?

Mikalmas
07-17-2009, 10:53 AM
I wonder how many times Rocktar can say Marxist in one post.

I wonder if he knows what an actual Marxist is.

I suspect anyone who calls a U.S. Politician, with all the special interests and money from "capitalism" that flows through their pockets, a Marxist either has no idea what they're saying other than they've heard other nutcases say it, or they are themselves a nutcase. Its just not even possible to take some people (ie, Rocktar) seriously enough to even respond to their posts because of the insane amount of stupidity and meaningless content.

Keller
07-17-2009, 10:57 AM
they are themselves a nutcase.

This is the same guy who has a phobia of periods and a penchant for making up quotes.

Remember, Obama admitted in his book that he was a Marxist!

Parkbandit
07-17-2009, 11:24 AM
I suspect anyone who calls a U.S. Politician, with all the special interests and money from "capitalism" that flows through their pockets, a Marxist either has no idea what they're saying other than they've heard other nutcases say it, or they are themselves a nutcase. Its just not even possible to take some people (ie, Rocktar) seriously enough to even respond to their posts because of the insane amount of stupidity and meaningless content.

I keep forgetting how moral Marxists are.. and how they aren't beholden to any special interest groups and impervious to the evils of capitalistic desires.

Rocktar
07-19-2009, 08:57 AM
I wonder how many times Rocktar can say Marxist in one post.

I wonder if he knows what an actual Marxist is.

I dunno, I might make a post just to find out how many times I can CP it before I get bored. However, here is a nice description of Marxist that you can refer to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

Now, since Obama wants to socialize pretty much everything, wage class warfare, practice massive wealth redistribution in the name of compassionately caring for everyone and ending class separation, he pretty well fits the ideal of Marxist thinking.