Conservatives Have 'Originalism'; Liberals Have ... ?

[Mabus]

Interesting read, that brings up a valid issue. If "liberals" do not believe in originalism, just what do they believe about the Constitution?

One part:
Conservatives Have 'Originalism'; Liberals Have ... ? - NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105439966&ft=1&f=1001)

'Gobbledygook'

"I think that's gobbledygook," says Eric Posner, University of Chicago law professor. "It's just kind of a pun on what fidelity means."

Posner says he believes neither in originalism nor in the academic philosophies that liberals are describing.

"They have to come up with a better idea," Posner says. "And instead of coming up with a better idea, I think they're trying to figure out what the PR angle of originalism is and how to duplicate it."

[Drew]

Although it's not as much a hot button issue like abortion, they could probably use their own "pro-choice" type term.

[Warriorbird]

Didn't you study the Constitution for 30 years? That wasn't because you just took 8th grade Civics, right?

The 'liberal' ideal is the 'living Constitution' notion.

Neither side strictly follows their own interpretative methods however and they're mostly just something to claim. Some liberals and conservatives may claim to and actually adhere to 'idealogically opposite' methodology.

Edit:

Both Posner and his dad are pretty cool.

[Fallen]

Without knowing or thinking much about the issue at all, the words Progressivism popped into my head upon reading the thread's headline. Though that isn't a word at all.

[Parkbandit]

Without knowing or thinking much about the issue at all, the words Progressivism popped into my head upon reading the thread's headline. Though that isn't a word at all.

Actually, it is a word:

Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in a statist or egalitarian direction for economic policies (government management) and liberal direction for social policies (personal choice). Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative ideologies.

In the United States, the term progressive emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]

Despite being associated with left-wing politics, the term "progressive" has also been used by groups not particularly left-wing. The Progressive Democrats of Ireland have taken the name "progressivism" despite being considered right-wing. The European Progressive Democrats was a mainly heterogeneous political group in the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

[Bhuryn]

Conservatives Have 'Originalism'; Liberals Have ...


.... Taxes.

[TheEschaton]

...Intelligence.

[radamanthys]

Conservatives Have 'Originalism'; Liberals Have ...


.... Debt and inflation, institutional racism, and extension of government control.

Fixed.

[Bhuryn]

...Intelligence.

Intelligence is as subjective as art these days.

[radamanthys]

Intelligence? I wouldn't say that Republicans are stupid, save for a good portion of the religious right.

I could see an argument for heartless, but certainly not stupid.

[4a6c1]

Quit talking shit about the religious right. We arent all the same...
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Now geeat the HELL ofa mah propity with that EEEAN-PEE-AHR nonsense or ima geeat mah SHOTGUN.

[Keller]

Quit talking shit about the religious right. We arent all the same...

You're probably right.

Some of you are mental.

The rest are bat-shit crazy.

[radamanthys]

Quit talking shit about the religious right. We arent all the same...
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Now geeat the HELL ofa mah propity with that EEEAN-PEE-AHR nonsense or ima geeat mah SHOTGUN.

I'm saying that there are parts of the country that are generally lacking in education, yet adhere to the Republican party for religious reasons rather than political ideal. We're speaking in generalities and stereotypes here!

Kinda like the people who don't (make enough to) pay taxes and/or those who live off the government cheese, and are democrats- it's better for their own personal bottom line.

[ClydeR]

I made an authoritative list of the most important Supreme Court cases from the second half of the 20th century, and then I broke them down between the ones with good results and the ones with bad results. All of the ones with good results were a product of strict construction, and all the ones with bad results were a result of the court departing from strict construction. Therefore, strict construction is the best.

Good
The Steel Seizure Case (pres. taking property)
Brown v. Board of Education
Loving v. Virginia
Gregg v. Georgia (death penalty is okay again)
Bowers v. Hardwick
Bush v. Gore


Bad
Mapp v. Ohio (evidence exclusion)
Engel v. Vitale (school prayer)
Miranda v. Arizona
Roe v. Wade
Plyler v. Doe (education of illegal children)
US v. Virginia (women in military school)

I put a short blurb after the ones you might not remember. You can easily find any of them on the Google.

[TheEschaton]

lol

[Fallen]

Actually, it is a word:

Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in a statist or egalitarian direction for economic policies (government management) and liberal direction for social policies (personal choice). Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative ideologies.

In the United States, the term progressive emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]

Despite being associated with left-wing politics, the term "progressive" has also been used by groups not particularly left-wing. The Progressive Democrats of Ireland have taken the name "progressivism" despite being considered right-wing. The European Progressive Democrats was a mainly heterogeneous political group in the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

..O.

[Warriorbird]

lol

I agree. I suspect one of the law student types is multiaccounting ClydeR. There's been some funny posts.

[TheEschaton]

That kind of cognitive dissonance could only come from Keller, imo. :P