View Full Version : Government Tracking Us by Our Cell Phones!
ClydeR
06-23-2009, 10:47 AM
There's proof!
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Where is South Carolina's governor?
The lieutenant governor doesn't know, and neither does a state senator who's a close confidante. Even Gov. Mark Sanford's wife is in the dark.
And while his staff said they knew where he was, a spokesman said he wasn't aware that any of them had spoken with the governor since Thursday. Sanford's wife said she hasn't heard from him in several days, including Father's Day.
More... (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG3Xqgk_yvHFCxzYZIaivTgoMo0gD9903OU80)
Sanford's last known location was near Atlanta late last week. A mobile telephone tower there picked up a signal from his phone, according to a source familiar with the situation.
Since then, the governor's state and personal phones had been turned off, and Sanford had not responded to phone or text messages, a source said. Most mobile phones cannot be tracked if they are turned off.
More... (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1109689.html)
COLUMBIA, S.C., June 22 (UPI) -- South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, who had been out of contact with state officials for four days, was hiking on the Appalachian Trail, aides said Monday.
More... (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/06/22/SC-Gov-Sanford-away-on-secret-trip/UPI-43481245726173/)
There are two disturbing things about this.
First, I knew it! When those cell phones first started coming out, I told everybody not to get one because the government would use them to track us, but nobody listened. Well this proves I was right. Notice how the article says that some cell phones can't be tracked when they're turned off. But most of them probably can be tracked when turned off.
Second, a man should be able to leave his job and family on Father's Day weekend without having to tell everybody where he's going. And they shouldn't be able to get the police to spy on him with his cell phone.
Many people think Gov. Sanford would be a good Republican candidate for President in 2012. He should definitely run and put a stop to cell phone tracking.
Renian
06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
Hey, a not-retarded post by Clyde! I like those.
...Well, actually, it was just the first part.
But yeah, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation recommends not having a cell phone because of the tracking as it is a serious privacy issue.
Second, a man should be able to leave his job and family on Father's Day weekend without having to tell everybody where he's going. And they shouldn't be able to get the police to spy on him with his cell phone.
This is where the stupidity starts. Maybe a normal man can, but a governor needs to run shit. And not telling your wife where the hell you are going is a serious dick move, and not the kind of dick she likes. Your kids on the other hand...depends whether or not they have moved out.
Many people think Gov. Sanford would be a good Republican candidate for President in 2012. He should definitely run and put a stop to cell phone tracking.
I think I remember reading a good article about him at one point so I'm not completely opposed to the idea, but I need to know what his political ideologies are more. However, he shouldn't completely stop cell phone tracking, for two reasons.
1. If someone has an outstanding warrant, the police should be able to use it to track someone down.
2. If someone's cell phone--or the whole person--goes missing, we should use it to track someone down quickly.
Number two was what was going on in this situation. Though I don't know if there are any safeguards in place to insure that cell phone tracking is only used for those two purposes.
AestheticLife
06-23-2009, 04:49 PM
1. If someone has an outstanding warrant, the police should be able to use it to track someone down.
2. If someone's cell phone--or the whole person--goes missing, we should use it to track someone down quickly.
Number two was what was going on in this situation. Though I don't know if there are any safeguards in place to insure that cell phone tracking is only used for those two purposes.
People like you made Minority Report happen.
Renian
06-23-2009, 05:02 PM
People like you made Minority Report happen.
Which part? The part where we had the precogs predicting future crimes, or the part where Tom Cruise fucks up everyone?
Latrinsorm
06-23-2009, 05:29 PM
Thank God I've watched an episode of Law and Order from the past 8 years, or I would have popped an artery and bled to death from the surprise.
AestheticLife
06-23-2009, 05:50 PM
Which part? The part where we had the precogs predicting future crimes, or the part where Tom Cruise fucks up everyone?
The precogs, really. Tom Cruise going haywire isn't your doing. <3
Renian
06-23-2009, 06:53 PM
The precogs, really. Tom Cruise going haywire isn't your doing. <3
http://www.anaitgames.com/wp-content/darth_vader_nooo.jpeg
Sylvan Dreams
06-23-2009, 06:56 PM
A few cell phone carriers actually offer tracking services for a fee. This is not one step away from the mark of the beast like ClydeR is trying to make it out to be.
Renian
06-23-2009, 07:01 PM
A few cell phone carriers actually offer tracking services for a fee.
Yeah, that shouldn't happen.
Sylvan Dreams
06-23-2009, 07:10 PM
Yeah, that shouldn't happen.
You don't just punch in a random cell phone number and track them. It's only for numbers on a shared account, which I think should happen considering the number of kids that have cell phones these days. I think you can opt to allow anyone to track you via that way, but I've never looked into that.
Renian
06-23-2009, 07:13 PM
You don't just punch in a random cell phone number and track them. It's only for numbers on a shared account, which I think should happen considering the number of kids that have cell phones these days. I think you can opt to allow anyone to track you via that way, but I've never looked into that.
Oh.
Okay, *maybe*, and only if it can be shut off using the cell phone without revealing your position if you really don't want anyone to know where you are. Say, with a switch.
Sylvan Dreams
06-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Oh.
Okay, *maybe*, and only if it can be shut off using the cell phone without revealing your position if you really don't want anyone to know where you are. Say, with a switch.
I think due to the nature of how cell phones work, -someone- will always be able to trace you, even if it's just the phone company dude.
thefarmer
06-23-2009, 08:29 PM
If you don't want people to track you with a cellphone, buy the cheap prepaid ones every few days.
/tinfoilhat
Jayvn
06-23-2009, 09:14 PM
I was pretty certain all mobile devices had internal gps for the last few years.. I thought it was one of the FCC codes or some bullshit.. It's why some soda machines are set with cell phone transmitters, the ones that take credit.. it was one of the backup security devices if the machine were ever stolen it could be recovered quickly.
Jayvn
06-23-2009, 09:16 PM
Stimulated by the events of 11 September 2001, the demand for enhanced 911 (e911) emergency calling capabilities, pushed forward GPS tracking technology in cell phones. At the end of 2005, all cell phone carriers were required to provide the ability to trace cell phone calls to a location within 100 meters or less.
To comply with FCC requirements, cell phone carriers decided to integrate GPS technology into cell phone handsets, rather than overhaul the tower network. However the GPS in most cell phones are not like those in your handy GPS receiver that you take hiking. Most cell phones do not allow the user direct access to the GPS data, accurate location determination requires the assistance of the wireless network, and the GPS data is transmitted only if a 911 emergency call is made.
So, in general, you can not track someone using their cell phone, unless the person you want to track has the right kind of cell phone, connected to the right network, with the right service.
CrystalTears
06-23-2009, 09:18 PM
Check out the big brain on Jayvn! You're a smart motherfucker.
Jayvn
06-23-2009, 09:20 PM
what my copy paste skills? or the year of cabling/wireless/computer bullshit class I took in 07?
Bobmuhthol
06-23-2009, 09:23 PM
Hi, Google Latitude.
Anyway, the "some cell phones" argument I'm pretty sure should be worded as "all cell phones can be tracked when they're off." But not when the battery is out.
Using tracking devices to locate alleged criminals? Not exactly my idea of a good plan. Don't forget that cops are people too, and they fuck up a lot of stuff when given the power to do it with.
Jayvn
06-23-2009, 09:28 PM
If I don't tell my friends where I'm at it's because I don't want the mother fuckers knowing where I am... google lattitude = fail
thefarmer
06-23-2009, 09:41 PM
Using tracking devices to locate alleged criminals? Not exactly my idea of a good plan. Don't forget that cops are people too, and they fuck up a lot of stuff when given the power to do it with.
Mobs are ok though!
Its funny how most of the paranoid people actually think they're important enough to be ones who are actually 'tracked' or looked for through these methods.
Bobmuhthol
06-23-2009, 09:49 PM
Pretty sure they don't have access to personalized tracking?
Sylvan Dreams
06-23-2009, 09:52 PM
http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gps/family_locator.shtml
Sprint Family Locator is the convenient, reliable and secure way to find family members—instantly— from any Web-enabled mobile phone or any computer connected to the Web.
Key Features
Real-time interactive satellite maps with street addresses and landmarks
Safety ChecksSM. Send automatic notifications of child's location on specific days and at precise times.
See where children have been by using maps featuring 7 days of historical locations.
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All that aside, excluding GPS, the carrier can tell the general area you're in if your cell phone is on, by the tower it gets its signal from.
Bobmuhthol
06-23-2009, 10:09 PM
Oh hey, did you know that your computer can be traced every time you connect to the internet?!?!?!
Androidpk
06-23-2009, 10:24 PM
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So, in general, you can not track someone using their cell phone, unless the person you want to track has the right kind of cell phone, connected to the right network, with the right service.
This is correct. Also worth mentioning is that if indeed your cell is being tracked, your phone will let you know that. Some sort of Federal law, not like that would appease tin foil hat wearers.
Everyone can be tracked by their cell phones, their credit/debit cards, their SS numbers and the RIFD chips they secretly implant into everyone at birth.
I read an AP wire about 4 years ago about how the government had wiretapped these mafia guys cell phones. The interesting part was that they had listened in to their convos even without the phones being dialed by the mobsters. Apparently there's a backdoor of some sort where if the government has the appropriate wiretap they can push a signal to your phone to start broadcasting in your pocket even when the phone was "off" (phones don't really turn off, they just go in sleep mode anyway). I remember the FBI wasn't too keen on revealing this but the judge forced them to. According to the documents the only way to defeat this sort of surveillance was to physically remove your battery.
I read an AP wire about 4 years ago about how the government had wiretapped these mafia guys cell phones. The interesting part was that they had listened in to their convos even without the phones being dialed by the mobsters. Apparently there's a backdoor of some sort where if the government has the appropriate wiretap they can push a signal to your phone to start broadcasting in your pocket even when the phone was "off" (phones don't really turn off, they just go in sleep mode anyway). I remember the FBI wasn't too keen on revealing this but the judge forced them to. According to the documents the only way to defeat this sort of surveillance was to physically remove your battery.
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-150467.html
Article for anyone who thinks I'm tinfoil hat crazy.
Rocktar
06-24-2009, 08:35 AM
Ummmm, this is news to anyone, how the hell do you think cellular 911 works? Fucking DUH! And on top of that, they were trying like hell to get it all working like 10 years ago to track drug dealers and all. Come on people, rub those two brain cells together, get a small spark and get a fricking clue. If the government wants to track you, they will. Period. End of story. The only thing you can do is either be unknown, in other words they don't know they want to track you, or leave the grid, which still isn't 100% effective, after all, how many cases of "track down this bum" are there in cop shows?
Bobmuhthol
06-24-2009, 08:45 AM
Did no one see The Dark Knight?
Did no one see The Dark Knight?
LOL
Jorddyn
06-24-2009, 09:24 AM
Is anyone else following the original story?
Staffers: We don't know where he is.
Wife: I don't know where he is.
Staffers: Oh, we forgot, he's hiking.
Wife: Give me privacy.
Governor: (steps off a plane from Argentina) What's the big deal?
CrystalTears
06-24-2009, 09:29 AM
Did no one see The Dark Knight?
Or Bourne Ultimatum
Parkbandit
06-24-2009, 09:35 AM
Is anyone else following the original story?
Staffers: We don't know where he is.
Wife: I don't know where he is.
Staffers: Oh, we forgot, he's hiking.
Wife: Give me privacy.
Governor: (steps off a plane from Argentina) What's the big deal?
I hadn't heard that he stepped off a plane from Argentina. If he doesn't have a completely believable story for this craziness, he can kiss any aspirations for 2012 goodbye. The last thing the Republicans need is another flawed candidate.
Jorddyn
06-24-2009, 09:56 AM
I hadn't heard that he stepped off a plane from Argentina. If he doesn't have a completely believable story for this craziness, he can kiss any aspirations for 2012 goodbye. The last thing the Republicans need is another flawed candidate.
Yep. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31522908/ns/politics-more_politics/)
Whole thing is just a little weird.
His explanation?
The Republican governor told the South Carolina newspaper he decided at the last minute to go to the South American country. The governor says he had considered hiking on the Appalachian Trail but wanted to do something "exotic."
Keller
06-24-2009, 10:35 AM
Its funny how most of the paranoid people actually think they're important enough to be ones who are actually 'tracked' or looked for through these methods.
Why do you think that people who disagree with the practice think they are going to be tracked?
That is like saying that, "It's funny how most people who oppose high marginal rates think they're ever going to make enough to actually be effected by them."
Sometimes people just don't think certain things should be done, regardless of whether they will ever be done to them.
I'm 100% sure that I will never be interrogated as a terrorist. But I surely oppose torture.
Bobmuhthol
06-24-2009, 10:40 AM
I don't think people who disagree with the practice are very paranoid, but there are certainly paranoid people who are concerned about their privacy being breached. I think that's what Gan is getting at -- the people who gasp when they discover that the technology exists as if the knowledge will affect their lives in the future, even though it's been there the whole time without consequence.
CrystalTears
06-24-2009, 12:38 PM
I don't think people who disagree with the practice are very paranoid, but there are certainly paranoid people who are concerned about their privacy being breached. I think that's what Gan is getting at -- the people who gasp when they discover that the technology exists as if the knowledge will affect their lives in the future, even though it's been there the whole time without consequence.
:yeahthat:
Parkbandit
06-24-2009, 12:40 PM
Yep. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31522908/ns/politics-more_politics/)
Whole thing is just a little weird.
His explanation?
Jesus... I can't wait for his press conference today. Should be fun.
My vote is: He was nailing some underage girl prostitutes.
Trouble
06-24-2009, 12:48 PM
Jesus... I can't wait for his press conference today. Should be fun.
My vote is: He was nailing some underage girl prostitutes.
My vote would be prostitutes (not necessarily underage) and drugs. Or maybe a rendezvous with a gay lover.
AnticorRifling
06-24-2009, 12:50 PM
Probably gay prositutes being used as coke mules. I mean do you realize how much coke you can fit in a bored out back side?!
CrystalTears
06-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Probably gay prositutes being used as coke mules. I mean do you realize how much coke you can fit in a bored out back side?!
Sometimes you scare me.
AnticorRifling
06-24-2009, 01:00 PM
Sometimes you scare me. Why it's just simple logistics. I'm looking at my landed cost here.
Jorddyn
06-24-2009, 01:08 PM
Jesus... I can't wait for his press conference today. Should be fun.
My vote is: He was nailing some underage girl prostitutes.
I'm going with the suitcase o' money theory.
ClydeR
06-24-2009, 01:22 PM
There is a good chance that he was on a classified mission and, therefore, could not and cannot disclose where he was or why he was there.
Tisket
06-24-2009, 01:41 PM
There is a good chance that he was on a classified mission and, therefore, could not and cannot disclose where he was or why he was there.
Yes, because everyone knows that most of our state governor's engage in international cloak and dagger activities...
AnticorRifling
06-24-2009, 02:15 PM
Yes, because everyone knows that most of our state governor's engage in international cloak and dagger activities...
I wonder what a fixskill potion costs IRL...
Trouble
06-24-2009, 02:33 PM
I just saw on the news that the guy admitted to "having an affair with a friend in Argentina." I don't know any additional details since there are no speakers on the TVs at work.
Parkbandit
06-24-2009, 02:51 PM
I just saw on the news that the guy admitted to "having an affair with a friend in Argentina." I don't know any additional details since there are no speakers on the TVs at work.
:rofl:
Hope that pussy was worth his political career...
Gov. Mark Sanford admitted today that his secret trip to Argentina over Father's Day weekend was to visit a woman he is having an affair with.
"I have developed a relationship with what started as a dear dear friend from Argentina. It began very innocently as I expect many of these things do, just casual email back and forth," Sanford said. "But here recently this last year developed into something much more."
Asked if Sanford was separated from his wife, he said "I don't know how you want to define that. I"m here and she's there. I guess in a formal sense we are not."
Sanford said his wife has known about the affair and they have been working through it for the past five months. "What I did was wrong, period. End of story," Sanford said.
Sanford arrived in the Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport this morning, having wrapped up a seven-day visit to Buenos Aires, Argentina, he said then. Sanford said he had not been hiking along the Appalachian Trail, as his staff said in a Tuesday statement to the media.
Sanford's whereabouts had been unknown since Thursday, and the mystery surrounding his absence fueled speculation about where he had been and who's in charge in his absence. His emergence Wednesday ended the mystery.
Sanford, in an interview with The State, said he decided at the last minute to go to the South American country to recharge after a difficult legislative session in which he battled with lawmakers over how to spend federal stimulus money.
Sanford said he had considered hiking on the Appalachian Trail, an activity he said he has enjoyed since he was a high school student.
"But I said 'no' I wanted to do something exotic," Sanford said "... It's a great city."
Sanford, in a brief interview in the nation's busiest airport, said he has been to the city twice before, most recently about a year and half ago during a Commerce Department trip.
Sanford said he was alone on the trip. He declined to give any additional details about what he did other than to say he drove along the coastline.
Sanford, who was wearing a blue and white button down shirt and brown denim pants, said he left for Buenos Aires on Thursday night from Columbia Metropolitan Airport and had originally planned to come back tomorrow.
Media reports said a SLED SUV the governor drove that night was spotted in the airport's parking lot.
Sanford's spokesman Joel Sawyer declined to immediately comment to The Associated Press, and the governor did not return cell phone messages.
Sanford planned a news conference at 2 p.m. Wednesday at his office in Columbia.
Critics slammed his administration for lying to the public.
"Lies. Lies. Lies. That's all we get from his staff. That's all we get from his people. That's all we get from him," said state Sen. Jake Knotts, R-West Columbia. "Why all the big cover-up?"
Trying to drive along the coast could frustrate a weekend visitor to Argentina. In Buenos Aires, the Avenida Costanera is the only coastal road, and it's less than two miles long. Reaching coastal resorts to the south requires a drive of nearly four hours on an inland highway with views of endless cattle ranches. To the north is a river delta of islands reached only by boat.
A spokesman for Argentina's immigration agency wouldn't comment Wednesday on whether Sanford entered the country, citing privacy laws.
The governor said he cut his trip short after his chief of staff, Scott English, told him his trip was gaining a lot of media attention and he needed to come back.
When asked why his staff said he was on the Appalachian Trail, Sanford replied, "I don't know."
Sanford later said "in fairness to his staff," he had told them he might go hiking on the Appalachian Trial.
Sanford said he decided not to return via the Columbia airport to avoid the media. The State Media Company was the only media who greeted Sanford this morning.
"I don't know how this thing got blown out of proportion," Sanford said.
Sanford said he has taken adventure trips for years to unwind. He has visited such places as the coast of Turkey, the Greek Isles and South America. He was with friends sometimes and sometimes by himself.
"I would get out of the bubble I am in," Sanford said.
Sanford said the legislative session was a difficult one for him, particularly losing the fight over whether he should accept stimulus $700 million in stimulus money he wanted lawmakers to spend on debt instead of urgent budget needs.
"It was a long session and I needed a break," Sanford said.
After a brief conversation with a reporter, Sanford was escorted away by an aide.
http://www.thestate.com/154/story/838823.html
AnticorRifling
06-24-2009, 02:56 PM
It was a tough legislative session where I had to decide how to spend money on debt or budget issues...if you'll excuse me I'm flying out of the country for poon on the weekend.
Jorddyn
06-24-2009, 03:00 PM
:rofl:
Gov. Mark Sanford admitted today that his secret trip to Argentina over Father's Day weekend was to visit a woman he is having an affair with.
Up next: Governor Sanford's Argentinian love child.....
ClydeR
06-24-2009, 03:12 PM
Well, as bad as this is, it means that there will be less competition in 2012 for my favorites Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin. It's just them, Mitt Romney and Haley Barbour so far.
Also I've been seeing a lot of Sen. Lindsey Graham on the teevee. Graham would be a reliable choice, and we wouldn't have any problems with Graham like the one we're having now with Sanford.
Cephalopod
06-24-2009, 03:49 PM
I think we've all lost sight of the fact that Sanford is really a democrat. Right, Fox?
http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/fnc_20090624_sanford.jpg
Jorddyn
06-24-2009, 03:50 PM
I think we've all lost sight of the fact that Sanford is really a democrat. Right, Fox?
(D) Stands for (D)idn't know where he was?
Geshron
06-24-2009, 05:05 PM
Hahaha "I was uh, hiking. Heh yeah it was pretty wild I hit this one trail and end up in between this Argentinian woman's legs, woah!"
ClydeR
06-24-2009, 05:15 PM
We've already put this whole episode behind us. I've almost forgotten about it, especially now that Haley Barbour has taken over the RGA. He's somebody who knows how to run an organization.
That was fast: The Republican Governors Association just announced that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour -- already "in line" to take the chairmanship of the RGA -- has assumed it.
"As a former RNC chairman and one of the best governors in the country, no one is better positioned to takeover as RGA chairman than Governor Barbour," executive director Nick Ayers said in a statement.
Barbour is also a 2012 contender who sees the virtue of keeping his profile, for now, comfortably low, and one of the best-respected political minds in the Republican Party.
More... (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Barbour_takes_over_RGA.html)
Trouble
06-25-2009, 08:44 AM
They were reading his emails to the woman on the news this morning. I thought it was a pretty crappy thing for the network to do but I admit they were pretty entertaining. This guy is done. Yeah, he's already resigned his governor council job but I highly doubt he'll be able to keep the governor job at this point.
Parkbandit
06-25-2009, 10:15 AM
They were reading his emails to the woman on the news this morning. I thought it was a pretty crappy thing for the network to do but I admit they were pretty entertaining. This guy is done. Yeah, he's already resigned his governor council job but I highly doubt he'll be able to keep the governor job at this point.
I agree. It shows a complete lack of judgement of any sort and if I was in SC, I would most certainly ask for his resignation.
Imagine that, a politician who couldnt keep his pants on...
Imagine that, a politician who couldnt keep his pants on...
When I agree with Gan it’s the Apocalypse.
ClydeR
07-12-2009, 04:20 PM
Yes, because everyone knows that most of our state governor's engage in international cloak and dagger activities...
Apparently so.
Katherine Janosek, chief of Homeland Security's personnel security division, wrote Sanford a letter Tuesday, advising him that the agency "has reinstated your access to classified information. The suspension of your clearance was made in error."
Sanford Press Secretary Joel Sawyer declined to discuss why the clearance was revoked, deferring questions to Homeland Security.
More... (http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/jul/10/sanford_regains_security_clearance88772/)
Tisket
07-12-2009, 08:36 PM
State governors don't go undercover in foreign countries to engage in covert activities, dipshit. That does not mean they are not privy to information that only those with a security clearance would have access to. Go spread your brand of glittering stupid somewhere else.
edit: in before anyone points out that Sanford was indeed "under cover" in a sexual sense. Get some original material people!
Androidpk
07-12-2009, 08:58 PM
State governors don't go undercover in foreign countries to engage in covert activities, dipshit.
That is usually true, Arnold is the exception.
Tisket
07-12-2009, 09:10 PM
That is usually true, Arnold is the exception.
Well, duh, it's ARNOLD.
Latrinsorm
07-13-2009, 02:18 AM
I'm thinking back, did Arnold ever actually go undercover anywhere, let alone a foreign country? He just walked in and blew shit up most of the time. I guess you could count Total Recall on a double technicality, with him being in ultra-deep cover and on a foreign planet (which was obviously under the purview of our United States, it's not like China's beating us there). The only spy-ish movies I can remember with him are Eraser and True Lies.
Rocktar
07-13-2009, 08:57 AM
Holy "Resurecting a fucking dead thread Batman."
Epic looser fail. All higher level political offices include having to obtain a security clearance to deal with the things they have to deal with.
Parkbandit
07-13-2009, 09:20 AM
State governors don't go undercover in foreign countries to engage in covert activities, dipshit. That does not mean they are not privy to information that only those with a security clearance would have access to. Go spread your brand of glittering stupid somewhere else.
Oh, I bet he was spreading something else under cover! C WHUT I DID THERE!?
edit: in before anyone points out that Sanford was indeed "under cover" in a sexual sense. Get some original material people!
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