Jeremiah Wright Is Back [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

ClydeR

06-10-2009, 05:31 PM

So... you think Obama is an anti-semite? Or that he's an intolerant person in general? What exactly do you mean?

No, as PB already explained, he's saying that Obama is a bad judge of character. Although Obama attempted to flock with someone like himself, Wright turned out not to be that kind of person at all.

So.. it can be true both that opposites attract and that birds of a feather flock together. It's true when there is a misidentification of the bird type, as there was here because of Obama's bad character judgment. Obama and Wright are opposites, but they attracted to each other because Obama thought Wright was the same kind of bird as Obama.

I do not share Obama's inability to judge other people's character. Dick Cheney, who I can assure you is very trustworthy, summed it up best when he said that Obama has been bad for America.

Androidpk

06-10-2009, 05:34 PM

Dick Cheney, who I can assure you is very trustworthy, summed it up best when he said that Obama has been bad for America.

Yeah, but would you go hunting with the man?

Dhuul

06-10-2009, 05:58 PM

Yeah, but would you go hunting with the man?

Yes.

http://www.amazon.com/Nerf-11151-Big-Bad-Bow/dp/B00095LHU8

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 06:03 PM

No, but I also don't believe that Obama is the best judge of character either... as Rev. Wright is proving once again.

"You are only as good as the company you keep"

Which turns into a non-issue when you consider the fact that there's pretty much no politician out there who has no bad associations or associations with people that they don't agree with on everything. Same thing applies to everyday people. Just because you associated/associate with someone doesn't mean you agree with every thing they say or think. Just because you and I see pretty much eye to eye on say, gun control, doesn't mean it would be fair to suddenly classify you as a liberal and clearly sharing my same views on every other subject under the sun.

Keller

06-10-2009, 06:05 PM

Which turns into a non-issue when you consider the fact that there's pretty much no politician out there who has no bad associations or associations with people that they don't agree with on everything. Same thing applies to everyday people. Just because you associated/associate with someone doesn't mean you agree with every thing they say or think. Just because you and I see pretty much eye to eye on say, gun control, doesn't mean it would be fair to suddenly classify you as a liberal and clearly sharing my same views on every other subject under the sun.

PB associates with TheE.

Case in point.

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 06:28 PM

Good point.

Can we please ban PB? None of us need our associations with him to be well-known.

I don't consider a someone on an internet forum someone I "associate" with. Perhaps you need to step away from the computer and get outside if you do.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 06:30 PM

I don't consider a someone on an internet forum someone I "associate" with. Perhaps you need to step away from the computer and get outside if you do.

Eh, you have family members (sister I believe?) who share very different views than you do, right? Wouldn't that be an association where you don't share their all of their views and thoughts even though you do have things in common with them?

I'm just saying that while politicians should be more mindful of stuff like this, I can't fault anyone on either side of the political divide that it happens.

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 06:34 PM

PB associates with TheE.

Case in point.

One of the things I regret on this message board is how I treated TheE in the past. I let his crazy ass political views obscure someone who turned out to be a really nice guy.

We'll never agree on politics, that much is assured... but we can both agree that TheE sucks at WoW.

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 06:41 PM

Eh, you have family members (sister I believe?) who share very different views than you do, right? Wouldn't that be an association where you don't share their all of their views and thoughts even though you do have things in common with them?

A sister or family member isn't an association.. you don't get to choose who you are related with. If Rev. Wright was Obama's brother, then that's a different story. I never gave Clinton any shit for his crazy ass brother. Rev. Wright is completely different.. Obama picked him and decided to surround himself with him for over 20 years. It's not like Rev. Wright suddenly decided to be a racist.

I'm just saying that while politicians should be more mindful of stuff like this, I can't fault anyone on either side of the political divide that it happens.

I can. If you consistently surround yourself with people of questionable character, I will question your judgement and your character.

Keller

06-10-2009, 07:09 PM

One of the things I regret on this message board is how I treated TheE in the past. I let his crazy ass political views obscure someone who turned out to be a really nice guy.

We'll never agree on politics, that much is assured... but we can both agree that TheE sucks at WoW.

You forgot to mention the second thing you regret. Here, I'll fill everyone in.

The second thing I reget on this message board is that I never got a chance to slug Beth's poon.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 08:16 PM

A sister or family member isn't an association.. you don't get to choose who you are related with. If Rev. Wright was Obama's brother, then that's a different story. I never gave Clinton any shit for his crazy ass brother. Rev. Wright is completely different.. Obama picked him and decided to surround himself with him for over 20 years. It's not like Rev. Wright suddenly decided to be a racist.

I can. If you consistently surround yourself with people of questionable character, I will question your judgement and your character.

This is a total double standard.

I can honestly say even among my friends they have thoughts and feelings I don't agree with or support. It doesn't cancel out the good things that I take from my relationships with them, and it doesn't mean that I automatically agree with them on those other touchy issues.

There's plenty to judge Obama on based on his own actions, without sitting there and condemning him for shit his old pastor says or does. To do so is a total cop out, and frankly, you threw a shit fit when people tried to do the same thing to McCain back during the election when it came to his associations with very racist pastors. That was total bullshit then and this is total bullshit too.

Mabus

06-10-2009, 08:20 PM

Which turns into a non-issue when you consider the fact that there's pretty much no politician out there who has no bad associations or associations with people that they don't agree with on everything.
The thing is that these same people do not then call these "bad associations" their "spiritual mentor and adviser", have them marry them to their spouse, have them baptize their children, name their autobiographical book after a statement they made, and spend close to 20 years listening to them spout racial hatred, only to then disassociate themselves when it is politically expedient to do so.

I pointed out Wright's anti-Semitic ramblings and leanings well before the election.

Now we get this kool-aide drinking, anti-Semitic rambling:

"Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me. I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office,"
Yep, it's all them "Jews", and not the political aspirations of a skilled hypocrite, that is keeping the two of them apart.

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 08:23 PM

This is a total double standard.

I can honestly say even among my friends they have thoughts and feelings I don't agree with or support. It doesn't cancel out the good things that I take from my relationships with them, and it doesn't mean that I automatically agree with them on those other touchy issues.

There's plenty to judge Obama on based on his own actions, without sitting there and condemning him for shit his old pastor says or does. To do so is a total cop out, and frankly, you threw a shit fit when people tried to do the same thing to McCain back during the election when it came to his associations with very racist pastors. That was total bullshit then and this is total bullshit too.

Please show me where I threw a shit fit about a pastor that McCain had a long standing relationship with. If you are referring to someone who simply ENDORSED McCain, then that's a whole different circumstance... it's not a relationship. It's not even in the same ballpark.

And I'm not condemning Obama at all.. I simply do not trust the guy's judgement.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 08:30 PM

Mabus

06-10-2009, 08:31 PM

Now all I have to wait for is Daniel to show up and say that Wright is not only correct in that the "Jews" are keeping the two apart, but that it is in no way anti-Semitic...

:popcorn2:

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm just going to leave it at this: when it's someone you guys have a reason to back, it's immediately to the defensive position that is the same that I am taking now-- "How can you judge someone's views based on someone elses? Since when does associating with someone or even being friends with them mean you agree on everything?"

Until it doesn't suit you, in which case you run for the moral high ground and throw out the "You are the company you keep" bullshit. That's what it is, and you know it.

You are hypocrites.

Prove it. You said I threw a shit fit when the same exact thing happened to McCain.. yet, I still don't see a quote.

You are not only a hypocrite, but you just make shit up to try to convince yourself that others are just like you.

It's real simple... show me the quote where I threw a shit fit.

Mabus

06-10-2009, 08:41 PM

I'm just going to leave it at this: when it's someone you guys have a reason to back, it's immediately to the defensive position that is the same that I am taking now-- "How can you judge someone's views based on someone elses? Since when does associating with someone or even being friends with them mean you agree on everything?"

Until it doesn't suit you, in which case you run for the moral high ground and throw out the "You are the company you keep" bullshit. That's what it is, and you know it.

You are hypocrites.
First, the election is well over. I figured you must not have noticed if you are still in a "you guys" mode.

If you need help in dealing with this "us versus them" mentality (left over from the campaign) leaving you with an empty life see this video (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive).
;)

Secondly, what candidate did I back that had the same (both in duration and content) relationship with a racist, anti-Semite?

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 09:19 PM

Prove it. You said I threw a shit fit when the same exact thing happened to McCain.. yet, I still don't see a quote.

You are not only a hypocrite, but you just make shit up to try to convince yourself that others are just like you.

It's real simple... show me the quote where I threw a shit fit.

How exactly am I a hypocrite? From the beginning my view on this situation has been steadfast.

And I'll be perfectly honest, I need time to dig back to check out the conversations about Hagee but I could have swore that you weighed in on them pretty heavily that it's hypocritical to be perfectly okay about Obama's Wright connection but then heavily judge McCain for his Hagee connection, no matter the "degree", something I happen to believe myself.

In any case, I still think it's fucking weak that instead of attacking the person for what they've done you'd rather focus on a shifty association and a bunch of craptacular "what ifs" and "Omgz they think this!!!1"

If Obama is as awesomely bad as you think then keep nailing him on what he's doing instead of acting like little bitches about his "associations". You should have plenty of ammo instead of needing to take weak and frankly, fucking stupid, avenues like this one. Zomg his past0r is teh evil therefor he iz!?!111

Satan

06-10-2009, 09:33 PM

Isn't it clear?

All pastors are evil.

All presidents were Christian.

All presidents are evil.

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 09:45 PM

How exactly am I a hypocrite? From the beginning my view on this situation has been steadfast.

You called me a hypocrite and my view on this situation has been just as consistent.

And I'll be perfectly honest, I need time to dig back to check out the conversations about Hagee but I could have swore that you weighed in on them pretty heavily that it's hypocritical to be perfectly okay about Obama's Wright connection but then heavily judge McCain for his Hagee connection, no matter the "degree", something I happen to believe myself.

What exactly is/was McCain's relationship with Hagee? A Presidential endorsement does not a relationship make. Did he have a long standing relationship with Hagee?

If the relationship is merely an endorsement, then I find no fault with McCain anymore I did when Castro endorsed Obama.

In any case, I still think it's fucking weak that instead of attacking the person for what they've done you'd rather focus on a shifty association and a bunch of craptacular "what ifs" and "Omgz they think this!!!1"

If Obama is as awesomely bad as you think then keep nailing him on what he's doing instead of acting like little bitches about his "associations". You should have plenty of ammo instead of needing to take weak and frankly, fucking stupid, avenues like this one. Zomg his past0r is teh evil therefor he iz!?!111

So when you have kids, you won't have any problems with them hanging out with anyone they choose? Maybe a couple gangbangers or drug addicts? What about a nice group of dropouts? If you would have a problem with that, why?

Seizer

06-10-2009, 10:08 PM

As the saying goes one bad apple spoils the bunch. I've seen it in the workplace many times. A great employee turns into a crap employee because they hang around an employee with a negative attitude. It begins to effect the morale overall.

Here's my crap analogy. A truck that cleans up all the Port-O-Johns pulls up to your workplace, house or other and starts spraying the inside with all the nasty stuff don't you think you would get hit with that crap and it would effect you? It's the same with people, person A spews his crap attitude, racist attitude (insert anything else negative here) to his circle of contacts. It will effect the people in his circle.

Now we could debate whether it effected the President's choices or character, but if someone has upstanding characteristics, wouldn't they walk away from this situation a long time ago?

Gan

06-10-2009, 10:43 PM

Birds of a feather flock together. A smart man surrounds himself with smart people. If you hang around with trash, you will be seen as trash. You are only as good as the company you keep. These are all similar to the question. It basically means that choose your friends wisely for you will be judged by others to whom the company you keep. To me, I dont really care what other people think anyways, but it is a good reflection on your personality as to the calibre of the company you keep.

A good story for this is : A man and boy were walking down the wharf looking for some seafood to buy. They passed two barrels. One was marked 'LOBSTERS-$5 EACH.' the other was marked 'LOBSTERS-$10 EACH.' While they were standing there, a lobster fell out of the $5 barrel and climbed into the $10 barrel. The young boy looked up to his father for an answer. He responded 'Only in America!'

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_you_known_by_the_company_you_keep

The Ass and his purchaser.

A man who wanted to buy an Ass went to market, and, coming across
a likely-looking beast, arranged with the owner that he should be
allowed to take him home on trial to see what he was like. When he
reached home, he put him into his stable along with the other asses.
The newcomer took a look round, and immediately went and chose a place
next to the laziest and greediest beast in the stable. When the master
saw this he put a halter on him at once, and led him off and handed
him over to his owner again. The latter was a good deal surprised to
seem him back so soon, and said, "Why, do you mean to say you have
tested him already?" "I don't want to put him through any more tests,"
replied the other. "I could see what sort of beast he is from the
companion he chose for himself."

"A man is known by the company he keeps."

http://aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?sel&TheAssandhisPurchaser2

Daniel

06-10-2009, 10:49 PM

Now all I have to wait for is Daniel to show up and say that Wright is not only correct in that the "Jews" are keeping the two apart, but that it is in no way anti-Semitic...

:popcorn2:

Nah. It's a pretty questionable (read: dumb) comment.

I'd like to see the whole quote and the context it was said in though. Sorry, but I trust fox news about as far as I can throw it.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 11:20 PM

So when you have kids, you won't have any problems with them hanging out with anyone they choose? Maybe a couple gangbangers or drug addicts? What about a nice group of dropouts? If you would have a problem with that, why?

When I have children, I trust that I'll have raised them well enough that any outside influences, gangbangers and all, won't make them do an about face on their moral and ethical convictions.. even if they associate with them. OMG what a horrible parent I would be.

Outside that, I still find it LOLtastic if I ignorantly believed if the tables were turned in this situation that it would still be a huge fuckin' outrage. Truth is, I'll believe that when I see it, because that'll never happen. This is an issue because it's Obama and he's a Dem, end of story.

Ravenstorm

06-10-2009, 11:22 PM

I'd like to see the whole quote and the context it was said in though. Sorry, but I trust fox news about as far as I can throw it.

Ask and thou shalt receive. (http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story)

Parkbandit

06-10-2009, 11:45 PM

When I have children, I trust that I'll have raised them well enough that any outside influences, gangbangers and all, won't make them do an about face on their moral and ethical convictions.. even if they associate with them. OMG what a horrible parent I would be.

Sure. It's easy to say that now.. but as a parent, I can assure you that your children won't always do the right thing and that a parent actually needs to step in from time to time. I realize you obviously can't admit that you would be a good parent and steer your children away from this since it would contradict your entire side.. but we both know you would do the right thing and step in and tell your children that hanging out with such deviants is detrimental to their future.

Outside that, I still find it LOLtastic if I ignorantly believed if the tables were turned in this situation that it would still be a huge fuckin' outrage. Truth is, I'll believe that when I see it, because that'll never happen. This is an issue because it's Obama and he's a Dem, end of story.

Riiiiiiiiight.. because you've been open minded about anything that Bush/Cheney/Republican has ever done. You'll excuse me if I highly doubt you.

Did you give up so easily on my supposed "shit fit"? I was expecting a quote by now.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

06-10-2009, 11:47 PM

Sure. It's easy to say that now.. but as a parent, I can assure you that your children won't always do the right thing and that a parent actually needs to step in from time to time. I realize you obviously can't admit that you would be a good parent and steer your children away from this since it would contradict your entire side.. but we both know you would do the right thing and step in and tell your children that hanging out with such deviants is detrimental to their future.

Riiiiiiiiight.. because you've been open minded about anything that Bush/Cheney/Republican has ever done. You'll excuse me if I highly doubt you.

Did you give up so easily on my supposed "shit fit"? I was expecting a quote by now.

I haven't given up, but I have had a few vodka tonics which makes me feel a lot more lazy. Maybe tomorrow when I work up the motivation I'll dig around more.

Also, you're probably right in that I've not been open minded in anything Bush/Cheney did, and in general am suspicious of them.

Doesn't make me change my opinion, but I'm certainly not offended at yours. It's definitely fair. That being said, your point being true doesn't automatically make mine null and void.

Mabus

06-11-2009, 12:27 AM

Nah. It's a pretty questionable (read: dumb) comment.

I'd like to see the whole quote and the context it was said in though. Sorry, but I trust fox news about as far as I can throw it.
I apologize for tossing your name out there.

I agree the comment was "dumb", and it does nothing but keep Wright's 15 minutes going, all at the expense of the president.

Gan

06-11-2009, 08:31 AM

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/10/art.0610.revwright.gi.jpg

(CNN) — The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the former Chicago pastor whose racially-charged sermons threatened to implode President Obama's primary bid last year, is again making waves over recent comments about his current relationship with the commander-in-chief.

"Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me," Wright told Virginia newspaper The Daily Press (http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story) when asked if he still spoke with Obama. "I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

"They will not let him to talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is," he added. "I said from the beginning: He's a politician; I'm a pastor. He's got to do what politicians do."

The former pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, where Obama was a congregant for nearly two decades, also told the paper he holds no grudges against the president's very public break from Wright last year.

"He's my son. I'm proud of him," Wright said. "I've got five biological kids. They all make mistakes and bad choices. I haven't stopped loving any of them. He made mistakes. He made bad choices. I've got kids who listen to their friends. He listened to those around him. I did not disown him."

Wright, who became a lighting rod for criticism last year after members of the media unearthed controversial sermons criticizing the U.S.
government, also said he has no regrets for the heated language he has used on the pulpit.

"Regret for what…that the media went back five, seven, 10 years and spent $4,000 buying 20 years worth of sermons to hear what I've been preaching for 20 years?" he said. "Regret for preaching like I've been preaching for 50 years? Absolutely none."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/10/wright-them-jews-wont-let-obama-talk-to-me/#more-55728

Parkbandit

06-12-2009, 10:01 AM

I haven't given up, but I have had a few vodka tonics which makes me feel a lot more lazy. Maybe tomorrow when I work up the motivation I'll dig around more.

I'll save you some time.. you won't find anything.

Also, you're probably right in that I've not been open minded in anything Bush/Cheney did, and in general am suspicious of them.

Doesn't make me change my opinion, but I'm certainly not offended at yours. It's definitely fair. That being said, your point being true doesn't automatically make mine null and void.

If your point is that Wright's relationship with Obama is the same as Hagee's relationship with McCain, then it does make mine right and yours wrong. If you want to have a better comparison, you should use Castro's endorsement of Obama and Hagee's endorsement of McCain... since those relationships are far more comparable.

Gan

06-12-2009, 09:27 PM

Rev. Jeremiah Wright on Thursday tried to step back from a controversial comment he made earlier in the week, explaining that when he said “them Jews” were keeping him from getting access to President Barack Obama (http://topics.politico.com/index.cfm/topic/PresidentObama) he meant to say “Zionists.”

“I misspoke. Let me just say Zionists.” Wright told Sirius/XM radio host Mark Thompson on “Make it Plain.”

Wright (http://topics.politico.com/index.cfm/topic/RevJeremiahWright) tried to explain that the comment was a reference to Jewish authors and “historical facts.”

“I’m not talking about all Jews, all people of the Jewish faith, I’m talking about Zionists,” he said. “I’m talking about facts, historical facts. I’m not talking about emotionally charged words.”

“They can jump on that phrase if they want to, but they can’t undo history and they can’t undo the fact of Jewish historians and Jewish who write about what’s going on,” he added.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23642.html#ixzz0IGkJEVRg&D (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23642.html#ixzz0IGkJEVRg&D)