WOW Farming

[AestheticDeath]

Do you farm in World of Warcraft? And if so how do you do it?

(If you know of links of this discussion elsewhere, feel free to link to them)

You can be specific, or not so specific.

There are the obvious things like doing the dailies. Cooking, especially if done with multiple toons, can possibly bring several hundred gold a day for a half hours work, assuming you have stocked up on the meats and whatnot.

Which other dailies are some of the more profitable ones? Does anyone actually do the max 25 dailies every day?

As far as farming creatures, which ones do you prefer, and how do you go about doing it?

Obviously AOE farming is the fastest. Do you do it successfully as a mage or other caster?

ATM, I am using an 80 DK with a tank spec, basically using Blood boil to aggro mobs until I have a good sized group of 20-30, then use Hungering cold, then continue with blood boil and Howling Blast. Sometimes DnD.

What gathering skills do you tend to use more often and what kind of gains do you see from it?

I tend to go for skinning and mining since they are the easiest and quickest to level up. Herbs always got real boring, but does anyone swear by them cause they make a ton or something?

Someone told me a paladin tank build would be one of the better choices.

[AestheticDeath]

Is unholy blight a better way to pull mobs? Or is there another better way as a DK.

And if you are out just killing non-instance easy mobs, do you gear down to save on repair costs? How far down do you gear yourself?

[Nieninque]

Why do you keep making these threads?
Whenever anyone gives you any kind of advice you ignore it and go on to explain why you are just going to carry on with your own stupid retarded ways anyway.
If you want to make money, just do 25 dailies a day.

[Xaerve]

Why do you keep making these threads?
Whenever anyone gives you any kind of advice you ignore it and go on to explain why you are just going to carry on with your own stupid retarded ways anyway.
If you want to make money, just do 25 dailies a day.

QFT!

AD -- you're fucking daft.

[AestheticDeath]

Thanks guys!

[StrayRogue]

Unholy is probably the better farming/AOE spec.

But yeah, do the dailies. Thats how I make gold.

Levelling a character is pretty lucrative once you hit Outland too.

[Androidpk]

I don't know how the WoW market is these days but when I was playing earlier this year I was making over 100g an hour just by farming and selling essences of fire.

[Some Rogue]

Level alts. I have 4 characters at 80, 3 epic flyers, one regular, and still have over 11k gold.

[AestheticDeath]

Now I just redid my unholy spec a lil, and my frost spec. So far my frost spec is far superior to unholy insofar as downtime, and ease of use. Not that there is real downtime to either one. But with frost they go down quicker, and I have more health left over, and I can tank a much larger group when I am farming, which means more kills per hour.

Course maybe I am doing something wrong I dunno.

I also farm the fire in wintergrasp, but mostly so I can forge my titansteel bars. Also go for the earth and shadow, but I wind up with enough earth from mining usually, and shadow from doing the kill 10 allies after the WG fight. The fire does sell well though if I get a lot of extra.

I can make more farming animals though. I think I made 40g on average per hour just selling the greys. Almost always have 5-6 greens I send to my disenchanter. And I have about a dozen stacks of meat. Which should be worth 25g or so, but almost always get sold for 50% of that. That is still like 200g + an hour. Not counting skins since I don't have skinning on the guy I am using atm. But as soon as my new guy gets the skinning going I will be making a load of gold if the shit sells.

Funny thing happened today to, I was farming on a PvE server, and an Alli 8 lvls under me was following me skinning everything. We couldn't talk obviously but like 2 hours after I had logged, I got back in and had an email from someone who said their guild leader on alliance side was very happy with all the skins I let her take, and they sent me 150g.

Now that won't happen all the time, BUT if she could send me 150g on what she made through those skins, I am sure I could double it by skinning myself.

And I am leveling another DK up right now, he is 67 atm and makes decent gold, but I spend it like my life depended on it. I had JC to 420 the day he got to 65, I had mining and first aid both at 375 already getting grand master that day. I've spent over 3000 gold on this DK already, mostly on lvling mining and JC. Especially JC. (Same situation I had with my mage on the other server, he had everything in skills maxed before he shoulda really. And I keep leveling skills I want instead of gathering professions. Makes it a lot more expensive with no real income. Mage was 450 enchanting before he ever got to 65, and when I hit 65 with him the other day I went ahead and worked on my tailoring some more, and spent the rest of my gold getting from 375 to 405 in tailoring. Took a TON of frostweave. And now all my recipes are green to get to 410? WTF? I couldn't find one that would be yellow/orange.)

So far I haven't had time to sell jack shit on the AH, and the few items I have listed didn't sell cause the server is soo big there is just too much competition. If the person doesn't already have it, he can usually get it cheaper or easier from guildies or something.

[AestheticDeath]

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[AnticorRifling]

I decided to be retarded and shoot for the insane title so I'm farming steamwheedle rep at the moment. I just go on auto run and PS anything in my path, IT anything that I won't run through, keep UB on and run my pattern. Normally I do the Argent Tourney daily quests, JC daily, cooking daily, 1 titansteel cooldown and that's it.

[Sean of the Thread]

I have zero interest in this game any longer.

[Back]

I have zero interest in this game any longer.

It’s not a game. It’s like a part-time job.

[Alfster]

I have zero interest in this game any longer.

I almost resubscribed tonight. I need to find something to do late at night. I need a new game or something.

[Nieninque]

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I rarely leave rep.
I have just now left you some to prove that I didn't leave you any of the rep you are crying about.

You're welcome.

[StrayRogue]

Ha, looks like Nein's initial post was correct.

[Parkbandit]

I almost resubscribed tonight. I need to find something to do late at night. I need a new game or something.

Let me know when you find something... I've been looking for a month now.

[Xaerve]

Ha, looks like Nein's initial post was correct.

Affirmative; he's so fucking predictable, I love it!

[Cephalopod]

I farm hot babes. There's this really cute one named Sugarudders that pays me 10g per 'farming'.

[AestheticDeath]

You people suck at giving advice btw. :)

[Xaerve]

You suck in general, and your reading comprehension is poor.

[Guarrin]

If you're trying to make gold in wow and you're NOT using the AH, you are making some serious mistakes. Yes, the market is going to be flooded, but it is fairly easy to undercut the competition.

Here's what I did
1. Only trained gathering professions on my characters (exception is when I was raiding and had access to high end recipes)
2. Farm while lvling
3. If I see N item I'm gathering (herb,skin, mining, whatever) is selling well on the AH, I clear the AH of it all, and reset the market price. This works best once you have alot of the higher end mats.
4. Do dailies.

Typically, I only do this while lvling, since I usually just wanted to pvp once I hit cap. Every now and then I'd do a mining sweep, but thats it.

[Keller]

Here is how I make gold in WoW:

Step 1) Go to work.
Step 2) Cash paycheck.
Step 3) Buy gold from Chinese farmer.
Step 4) Goto Step 1.

[Trouble]

I'm up to 25k gold at this point and the majority of it came from selling crap while leveling then continuing to finish out zones once capped. The main thing to do for alts (I've said it in other threads) is to send them 4 18+ slot bags ASAP, pick everything up, and then send everything not directly needed by that alt to an AH alt. It also helps to make them dual gathering profs. Get them to 70-80 then switch them to consumption profs if desired.

I also have a dedicated level 80 gathering toon (herb/mining) but most of his stuff goes to flasks for my two main guys at this point.

[Tisket]

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One of those is mine. Although I usually sign my neg rep to you, I hit the enter key by mistake before signing.

[Senglent]

Skinning mining and disenchanting use the AH. Like the OP said if stuff is selling really cheap buy it up and reset the market.

Most of the crap I have in the AH under those three prof's sell fast so I am always making something.

[AestheticDeath]

If you're trying to make gold in wow and you're NOT using the AH, you are making some serious mistakes. Yes, the market is going to be flooded, but it is fairly easy to undercut the competition.

Here's what I did
1. Only trained gathering professions on my characters (exception is when I was raiding and had access to high end recipes)
2. Farm while lvling
3. If I see N item I'm gathering (herb,skin, mining, whatever) is selling well on the AH, I clear the AH of it all, and reset the market price. This works best once you have alot of the higher end mats.
4. Do dailies.

Typically, I only do this while lvling, since I usually just wanted to pvp once I hit cap. Every now and then I'd do a mining sweep, but thats it.

Guess I should have clarified on the AH, in that I only haven't used it yet on this new server. Only guy I have made on it is the 67 DK, and a lvl 5 locker character. So I have some junk, mainly cloth saved up from 58-67, along with some greens, and a TON of junk from leveling JC. And all the mats from DEing crap greens that weren't worth selling to a vendor or AH.

I used the AH almost exclusively to get my first 10k gold on my mage, and to cap enchanting and tailoring. Mage still has like 6k in gold worth of enchanting mats and other stuff like epics and whatnot, that I haven't gotten to since I stopped playing on that server.

I did some of the niche stuff as well, mostly with copper ore when i was starting out, and then that blew up with TONs of people coming in and mining for copper cause the price was going up, and then TONs of people started undercutting by 50% or more, and then there were so many stacks, I had no feasible way to buy it all much less store it for later. (I don't like having 100 pages of mail that I can't even browse through. I think it stops before 10 pages actually, and you have to empty to get father back.)


No one wants to discuss specific areas to farm, or which dailies you do and why?

[Trouble]

No one wants to discuss specific areas to farm, or which dailies you do and why?

Oh, I didn't realize that was the intent of your post.

I always do the JC and fishing dailies. I do the cooking one on 2 toons only if it requires 2 or less Chilled Meats that particular day. I do WG dailies/weeklies on my alts to get them gear. Beyond that, the only one I do with any frequency is the one with the mines near K3.

For farming I usually send my gatherer alt around Icecrown for a couple of hours a week (haven't done it in the past 3 weeks though). I don't do any other farming. If I did hunt-farm it would be elementals in WG.

Oh, I sometimes fish an hour a week but that's for personal/raid consumption only. I do try to sell the non-Fish Feast fish I catch on the AH but they're not intentionally farmed.

[Drisco]

All you do is get epic flyer. Mine in Ice Crown, prospect ore, cut the gems, put them on AH. Also through your mining you would have to get the mats for Titansteel and do the JC daily. So, in conclusion.

Titansteel = 75g~
Titanium Ore/Bar= 50g
JC Daily (Dragon Eyes)= 75g~
Gems= 50-400g~ (depending on how long and how lucky)
Eternals= 100g+~

It all depends on how long you want to mine.

[Methais]

You guys are all doing it wrong (except maybe Keller)

I pull in around 200g an hour on my DK (more sometimes if any BoE blues drop) farming Ramparts/Blood Furnace. I vendor everything except cloth, BoE blues, and level 57-60 "of the bandit/sorcerer/useful stats" items on the AH which usually get me 8-15g or so.

The only real "downtime" I have is flying back to Thrallmar to hit the vendor and mail the rest to my toon in Orgrimmar, which takes maybe a couple minutes.

Do this, and repeat.

[Bhuryn]

I made alot of money farming certain instances with my dk/druidbot. I hate Dailies, they make me want to crush my own skull with a cinderblock.

Now, My DK had pretty much the best gear available when I quit, so that may not be an option if you don't have a bot healer and the best gear =P.

Leveling up characters is probably the best money maker there is if you can stand it though.

[Methais]

I hate Dailies, they make me want to crush my own skull with a cinderblock.

This.

I liked Isle of Quel'danas in TBC, but the Wotlk dailies are retarded. The Argent Tournament ones are pretty stupid and forced PvE on top of it. At least on Quel'danas there was usually lots of pvp going on too, making it less mind numbing.

[SHAFT]

I mine. Also, look for items that are cheap that you know will sell for more and buy all the cheap ones and AH and reset the price. I like doing it at night and waking up to see everything sold. Works every time

[g++]

You know im so sick of seeing these threads ill actually leave you a fool proof (but tedious) way to make pretty much infinite amounts of money.

1. Go to AH
2. Look up the price of infinite dust/per
3. Look up Chalcedony, Bloodstone, Huge Citrine, and sun Crystal
4. If the price /per gem is a less than 1:1 ratio with the price of infinite dust buy it
5. Turn all the gems into rings and disenchant them
6. Ruin the infinite dust market
7. Profit.

Now please stop.

[Parkbandit]

I didn't do any dailies... as I hated them... for the past year or so. I basically just made flasks and bullets for the past 6 months or so and made plenty of gold doing it. Hell, I could buy herbs on the AH, turn them into Flasks and still make minimum 100 g a day.

[Methais]

No seriously, farm Ramparts and/or Blood Furnace and you'll make around 200g an hour. Each run through Ramparts takes like 15 minutes and you'll hardly even have to deal with the auction house.

[Bhuryn]

My favorite was actually shattered halls but like I said before -- You need good gear to make it really profitable per hour.

I did ramparts some, I think I got down to clearing it in like 5 or 6 pulls plus the last boss. There just isn't enough orcs to make it really profitable.

[g++]

My favorite was actually shattered halls but like I said before -- You need good gear to make it really profitable per hour.

I did ramparts some, I think I got down to clearing it in like 5 or 6 pulls plus the last boss. There just isn't enough orcs to make it really profitable.

I run shattered halls solo on my pali occasionally just for the rep (and yah the money is also nice) when im bored....Ill admit it is good money if you can chain pull but unless AD bought a raiding toon from someone else pre-geared my guess is hes just going to get wtf pwned trying to run bc instances solo. Im not saying its hard.....but it would at least be challenging for someone without good level 80 gear and I dont think AD has attempted dungeons at all yet, never mind solo.

Also I spent 500 gold on eternal earth and crap gems yesterday and used it to sell 3.4k worth of infinite dust and greater cosmic essence in bulk....so im not sure what it comes out to per hour but its a fuck of alot more than 200per. Only thing is you can only do it when someone is selling cheap gems and the infinite dust market is stable...but when the perfect storm hits you get enough cash to tide you over for weeks.

Oh and if your willing to compromise and use the AH a little bit, try running mana tombs or mechanar and listing the BC rep items every couple runs....doubles your intake from that kind of thing.....personally though...id rather just play the AH and spend the majority of my time not grinding shit in outland.

[StrayRogue]

Stock up on regs and items that will be in hot demand prior to a big patch. I bought up hundreds of lesser prismatics before Season 3 in anticipation of people needing their gear enchanted. I wasn't wrong. Same applied for pre 3.1 with flasks. The moment the patch hit everyone was in Ulduar.

[Methais]

My favorite was actually shattered halls but like I said before -- You need good gear to make it really profitable per hour.

I did ramparts some, I think I got down to clearing it in like 5 or 6 pulls plus the last boss. There just isn't enough orcs to make it really profitable.

I dunno, I was blasting through the place on my DK in welfare epics and boe pvp blues and a titansteel destroyer when I first started running it. Not sure what you're doing differently, but 200g an hour seems pretty profitable to me. And that's just doing 1-2 pulls at a time. I haven't bothered rounding up half the instance in one pull but I might try it out later today, which oughta increase my gold per hour by a good bit.

Same with Blood Furnace, which has more orcs for you.

Haven't tried Shattered Halls in a while, but when I did it was soloable, but my gear was too shitty for it to be worth the time.

[g++]

Heh another less nice trick....look up nobles cards and see which ones only have 1 listed. Like say theres one 8 up for 1k. Buy it and relist it at 1.5k. Log on an alt and go in trade chat and offer to buy any 8 of nobles for 2k.....as soon as your 8 is bought log.

[Bhuryn]

I was pulling 20-30 orcs at a time in Shattered halls. I could hit the instance cap easily while I farmed SH.

I quit before Uld came out so it's probably easier now.

[AestheticDeath]

and I dont think AD has attempted dungeons at all yet, never mind solo.

WTF? I've done almost every dungeon for lvl 60 or under with my mage. I've done ramps, BF, slave pens and underbog with my 67 DK, and will probably do steamvault next level.

And yeah I did buy another account or two. One of the guys is a DK, with better gear sets than your paladin. I did half of heroic BF before I got tired of not being able to heal myself quickly enough. I may try that one again after swapping the unholy spec to blood or some other PvE/farming spec. I was actually just trying to use him to run my 67 DK through there for gear, otherwise I haven't tried farming instances yet.

[StrayRogue]

I'd like to see you solo Underbog with a 67 DK as I smell bullshit.

I'd also like to see this full T8 geared DK of yours as well.

[AestheticDeath]

I didn't say I soloed it with a 67. His doubts were as to doing one, 'much less soloing'.

I've 'done' the things. And soloed the heroic BF with the 80 DK.

And I didn't say the guy had full T8, I said it had better then his pally. Which last week or so when I saw him, his items were barely item lvl 200.

And honestly I probably could get pretty far into underbog solo with the 67 DK. I will have to try that now. I'll let you know how bad I fail at it.

[AestheticDeath]

Just looked up his guy on armory, and his gear is totally different from when I saw him last week. Before he was using a titansteel destroyer, now he has mace/shield. And his item lvls are higher then I recall on the rest of it.

So I will change it to 'geared as well as' for the most part. Though I think this DK only has one item on at item lvl 226 atm, and another 226 trinket for the dps spec.

[g++]

Just looked up his guy on armory, and his gear is totally different from when I saw him last week. Before he was using a titansteel destroyer, now he has mace/shield. And his item lvls are higher then I recall on the rest of it.

So I will change it to 'geared as well as' for the most part. Though I think this DK only has one item on at item lvl 226 atm, and another 226 trinket for the dps spec.

Its called an offspec im main spec holy for christ sake and since ive had ironsoul for like 3 weeks you must have assumed i gave up on the whole raiding thing. Even if your item level was higher than Worsts which I highly doubt even in my offspec Im pretty sure I could throw Ironsoul, guiding star, my T8 and darkmoon card greatness's out I could still beat your dk to death with my fishing pole. Know how I know? You are playing him.

[AestheticDeath]

Man you have become quite the asshole. But yeah you would probably win as I haven't gotten into the pvp aspect much yet, and this guys main gear is tanking gear, not pvp. His pvp set is sad with mostly hateful/deadly junk, half of which I had to buy myself via wintergrasp awards/honor points.

And so your main spec, the other holy one? has better gear than is currently on wowarmory? Worst (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nazjatar&n=Worst) Or its the one I just was talking about.

This is the guy I got from Omens, Mesohordy (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=shadowsong&n=mesohordy)

So you have some few pieces better then mine as far as item lvl goes. Though without trying to jump into Ulduar, I doubt I could replace the lvl 200 blue trinket with something better.

[Keller]

Why would you buy accounts but not gold?

[StrayRogue]

Not a clue Keller.

Personally account buyers on WoW are even more noobish than they were on GS. It's a shame the game is so easy now that it's hardly reflected in terms of skill. DK's especially only require a single hand to play to any degree.

[StrayRogue]

As for trinkets (pre-Ulduar), you have a few options: Seal of the Pantheon, the engineering, alchemy and JC craftables, Repelling Charge (awesome for DKs), Valor Medal of the First War, etc etc.

[AestheticDeath]

Why would you buy accounts but not gold?

The account had gold, but more importantly the account comes with tradeskills which I dont have to spend 5k each on to learn. I just get to use them to help my guys for a while until I get to the point where all mine have those skills.

The blacksmithing alone has saved me and made me alot of gold.

I don't know what the current prices are on gold, but it seems to me to be more lucrative to doing what I did than trying to buy a ton of gold.

Besides, as I did in GS it let me play the classes at cap, and figure out which ones I like. I know with a certainty that druids are not for me. I don't like warriors much, but DKs are pretty fun, though I knew that before I bought this one. And I like wizards better then warlocks at cap, though to me it seems warlocks are easier to level.

[AestheticDeath]

As for trinkets (pre-Ulduar), you have a few options: Seal of the Pantheon, the engineering, alchemy and JC craftables, Repelling Charge (awesome for DKs), Valor Medal of the First War, etc etc.

I don't plan on taking up a new profession to make a trinket for someone elses guy, though I already have JC maxed on my own DK for the two stamina trinkets and other benefits. Already have repelling charge(its equipped) and valor medal. The guy also has mirror of truth, mark of norgannon, and defenders code. I think the 111 stamina outweighs the other though as a tank.

[RichardCranium]

I made a new DK when I switched servers and he's in Nagrand at 66 now with like 700 gold without any professions. I've run ramps, BF, SP and UB once each for quests.

[Methais]

I was pulling 20-30 orcs at a time in Shattered halls. I could hit the instance cap easily while I farmed SH.

I quit before Uld came out so it's probably easier now.

How much were you pulling in an hour doing this? I'm farming non-heroic btw, but I'm guessing that's already assumed.

Stacks of runecloth go for 5g per stack minimum also, if that makes any difference. If supply is low, I can easily get 10-20g per stack but it's usually pretty flooded so I throw them up for 5. Same with netherweave.

I just don't really get how you weren't pulling in mountains of gold, especially pulling 20-30 at a time.

My DK also has no professions because I'm too lazy to skill them up.

[Bhuryn]

How much were you pulling in an hour doing this? I'm farming non-heroic btw, but I'm guessing that's already assumed.

Stacks of runecloth go for 5g per stack minimum also, if that makes any difference. If supply is low, I can easily get 10-20g per stack but it's usually pretty flooded so I throw them up for 5. Same with netherweave.

I just don't really get how you weren't pulling in mountains of gold, especially pulling 20-30 at a time.

My DK also has no professions because I'm too lazy to skill them up.

I donno, I haven't played since before Ulduar, I made enough money to get by but less then the more serious farmers in my raiding group. I only farmed for a couple hours at a time since I rarely played on non-raid nights.

[g++]

Man you have become quite the asshole. But yeah you would probably win as I haven't gotten into the pvp aspect much yet, and this guys main gear is tanking gear, not pvp. His pvp set is sad with mostly hateful/deadly junk, half of which I had to buy myself via wintergrasp awards/honor points.

And so your main spec, the other holy one? has better gear than is currently on wowarmory? Worst (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nazjatar&n=Worst) Or its the one I just was talking about.

This is the guy I got from Omens, Mesohordy (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=shadowsong&n=mesohordy)

So you have some few pieces better then mine as far as item lvl goes. Though without trying to jump into Ulduar, I doubt I could replace the lvl 200 blue trinket with something better.


LOL you realize thats a threat tank? Pretty ironic someones dream threat build ended up in the hands of a guy who will never enter an instance with someone who can even pull off him.

[AestheticDeath]

I said it is a tank. Not sure what a 'threat tank' is. Figured all tanks are supposed to generate threat...

[Nieninque]

I said it is a tank. Not sure what a 'threat tank' is. Figured all tanks are supposed to generate threat...

Well an obvious difference is that of PvP and PvE. PvE is where threat comes into play as you can generate a bunch of numbers that make a computer controlled monster attack you depending on the amount of threat you generate. In PvP that's all bollocks as if they player controlled monster doesnt want to attack you, they wont, regardless of how much of the threat generating skills/abilities you have.

If the character you have bought is going to be used as a chinese farmer, the extensive work on making it able to hold threat in higher level dungeons is very much wasted.

[StrayRogue]

I don't plan on taking up a new profession to make a trinket for someone elses guy, though I already have JC maxed on my own DK for the two stamina trinkets and other benefits. Already have repelling charge(its equipped) and valor medal. The guy also has mirror of truth, mark of norgannon, and defenders code. I think the 111 stamina outweighs the other though as a tank.

You don't really know about DK tanks do you.

[g++]

I said it is a tank. Not sure what a 'threat tank' is. Figured all tanks are supposed to generate threat...

Hes gemmed for hit and duel wielding....that means he probarbly generates more threat/second than most any other tank in the game at the expense of his defences. He would be very cool down dependent in actual raid encounters but it would be damn near impossible for even the craziest fire mage to pull the monsters threat because of the way he is designed....he was probarbly a guilds hard mode dream child. You might as well gem stam and buy a titansteel destroyer.

[Alfster]

You can get like 10K gold for like 100 bucks. How much did buying the account run you?

[AestheticDeath]

About 3x that much, but I can resell it as well, cant resell used gold.

[AestheticDeath]

Well an obvious difference is that of PvP and PvE. PvE is where threat comes into play as you can generate a bunch of numbers that make a computer controlled monster attack you depending on the amount of threat you generate. In PvP that's all bollocks as if they player controlled monster doesnt want to attack you, they wont, regardless of how much of the threat generating skills/abilities you have.

I thought it was kind of inferred the build wasn't for PVP, but yes I knew that part.


You don't really know about DK tanks do you.

Hi, my name is Brian, and I just started playing wow a few months ago, DKs even more recently. I am trying to learn more about the game as I play. Hence 'help' threads like this where everyone decides to come bash me for being a noob. Sorry I didn't play for the last 4+ years like most of you awesomesauce people. Nor even so long as Wrath has been out with Dks. Sorry I don't goto the officials where there are 10 billion posts, over 50% is trash I don't need to read through. Perhaps I will try it more often anyways.

And although this thread wasn't about DKs, maybe you could expand upon why 1.5% dodge would be better than 1100+ health. From what I have read and been told, the normal thing to go for, pre-Ulduar was 540-550 defense, a combined total of 40% dodge and parry, 265 hit rating, 26 expertise. And a ton of health. He already has the defense, the 40% d/p, and the expertise. Majority of tanks I see aim for 30k or more health, so again where do you see what I am doing as wrong? Hit rating is the one thing he is lacking atm.

And g++, he already has the destroyer, and I do use it more often then not, but not for the stamina as its not any better than what he is already using. Unless you count the rune which makes up 154 HP

My talent specs have been more for two handers than duel wielders until recently where none of the spec is specifically for one or the other. What talents besides two handed weapon specialization and nerves of cold steel help with one rather than the other?

So what about all the hit rating makes him more geared for duel wielding rather than using a two hander? Are two handed users not supposed to have the hit rating?

The character had no talents when I got him, so I jumped into a tank with no knowledge of how to do his talents.

And feel free to post links to the armory of good DK tanks specced for two handers or duel wielding...

[g++]

I thought it was kind of inferred the build wasn't for PVP, but yes I knew that part.



Hi, my name is Brian, and I just started playing wow a few months ago, DKs even more recently. I am trying to learn more about the game as I play. Hence 'help' threads like this where everyone decides to come bash me for being a noob. Sorry I didn't play for the last 4+ years like most of you awesomesauce people. Nor even so long as Wrath has been out with Dks. Sorry I don't goto the officials where there are 10 billion posts, over 50% is trash I don't need to read through. Perhaps I will try it more often anyways.

And although this thread wasn't about DKs, maybe you could expand upon why 1.5% dodge would be better than 1100+ health. From what I have read and been told, the normal thing to go for, pre-Ulduar was 540-550 defense, a combined total of 40% dodge and parry, 265 hit rating, 26 expertise. And a ton of health. He already has the defense, the 40% d/p, and the expertise. Majority of tanks I see aim for 30k or more health, so again where do you see what I am doing as wrong? Hit rating is the one thing he is lacking atm.

And g++, he already has the destroyer, and I do use it more often then not, but not for the stamina as its not any better than what he is already using. Unless you count the rune which makes up 154 HP

My talent specs have been more for two handers than duel wielders until recently where none of the spec is specifically for one or the other. What talents besides two handed weapon specialization and nerves of cold steel help with one rather than the other?

So what about all the hit rating makes him more geared for duel wielding rather than using a two hander? Are two handed users not supposed to have the hit rating?

The character had no talents when I got him, so I jumped into a tank with no knowledge of how to do his talents.

And feel free to post links to the armory of good DK tanks specced for two handers or duel wielding...

Most good DK tanks dumped DW in 3.1 completely because it was nerfed into the ground when they re-arranged the trees but you can look up every DK tanking spec ever conceived on elitistjerks.com.

[Nieninque]

Hi, my name is Brian, and I just started playing wow a few months ago, DKs even more recently. I am trying to learn more about the game as I play. Hence 'help' threads like this where everyone decides to come bash me for being a noob.

Hayulp! Hayulp! They r beung meen 2 mee!

It is simply not the case that people "Bash [you] for being a noob" what people do "bash" you for is your threads that start asking for advice, then ignore the advice that is given from people who have been playing for a significant length of time and go on to justify your own initial (retarded) course of action.

People (including myself) offered you a great deal of good advice in your early HLEP threads, but you chose to ignore it time and time again. Most of us are amused by the odd bit of stupidity, but when it is the same old shit time and time again, get pretty bored of it.

QQ Bitch.

[AnticorRifling]

Most good DK tanks dumped DW in 3.1 completely because it was nerfed into the ground when they re-arranged the trees but you can look up every DK tanking spec ever conceived on elitistjerks.com. Not just tanks, DPS as well. Pre 3.1 DW ruled supreme for dps and you wouldn't find anything better than a 0/32/39. Now not so much...

[g++]

Completely unrelated but if your going to blizzcon make sure to say your from kil'jaedan so you can see the nerd fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CLp-_BD-s8&feature=player_embedded

[StrayRogue]

Hayulp! Hayulp! They r beung meen 2 mee!

It is simply not the case that people "Bash [you] for being a noob" what people do "bash" you for is your threads that start asking for advice, then ignore the advice that is given from people who have been playing for a significant length of time and go on to justify your own initial (retarded) course of action.

People (including myself) offered you a great deal of good advice in your early HLEP threads, but you chose to ignore it time and time again. Most of us are amused by the odd bit of stupidity, but when it is the same old shit time and time again, get pretty bored of it.

QQ Bitch.

Exactly this.

I've posted help twice in this thread, and it's been refuted by you both times. As a self-professed "noob", why not stfu, listen, do some research and actual begin to understand the game.

To answer some of your questions:

Dual Wielding is still viable at the higher end (Ulduar gear). I think it is based on a tri-spec talent setup.

Hit is still important for two-handed uses. It is the prime stat for all DPS classes UNTIL capped. Then it is Strength for DPS DKs, or avoidance for tank DKs (after the Defense cap is breached).

[AnticorRifling]

Exactly this.

I've posted help twice in this thread, and it's been refuted by you both times. As a self-professed "noob", why not stfu, listen, do some research and actual begin to understand the game.

To answer some of your questions:

Dual Wielding is still viable at the higher end (Ulduar gear). I think it is based on a tri-spec talent setup.

Hit is still important for two-handed uses. It is the prime stat for all DPS classes UNTIL capped. Then it is Strength for DPS DKs, or avoidance for tank DKs (after the Defense cap is breached).
Yup. I'm still collecting pieces to do dual wield as 25man naxx stuff won't cut it

[Some Rogue]

Yup. I'm still collecting pieces to do dual wield as 25man naxx stuff won't cut it

Flame Leviathan doesn't drop that many weapons for you though.. :(

[Methais]

Hi, my name is Brian, and I just started playing wow a few months ago, DKs even more recently. I am trying to learn more about the game as I play. Hence 'help' threads like this where everyone decides to come bash me for being a noob.

This typically happens when someone eBays a character and then asks how to play it. This is universal across all MMOs, including Gemstone.

This effect gets amplified when said eBayer repeatedly asks how to play, and then proceeds to ignore all the advice given in favor of "Well my way is better....but guys can you tell me how to do X?"

This effect gets even more amplified when said requested advice from said eBayer is part of some ridiculously elaborate plan to do something incredibly simple, like farming and leveling.

It's like writing a 400 page business plan for a lemonade stand, asking Donald Trump for advice, then telling him he's an asshole and you don't need his advice in the midst of an "Everyone on Wall Street is mean to me!" post.

If you want to learn more about the game as you play, stop buying capped characters and play the game. Pour lemonade into a cup and sell it. You don't need a 400 page business plan with graph charts and projected income expectations unless your name is Tamral and you're explaining boss fights to lesser people like us who would be doomed to eternally killing Hogger without his expertise.

You also might want to spare your future raid group the headache and don't tank...anything.

And if you think people here are being assholes about it, I love to see how the WoW forums would react to these threads and your super elaborate gold farming/character leveling plans.

[dszabo]

Bravo to everything Methais says. Ebayed characters are -almost- as bad as the middle aged people in your guild who suck shit, but think they're good. Every guild has them, you KNOW them, and most of the time you HATE their playing ability. But they're 40something and so very in game naive, and very nice on a whole, so you feel terrible telling them something which they won't listen too anyways because "I know what I'm doing...I'm old enough to be your grandparent!" They are plain terrible, and always blame it on something else.
What are some things these Middle Agers/Ebayers are likely to say?
- Healing meter is shit, my PWS absorbed way more then that!
....Yeah, who cares you're 50% below every other healer on net healing, you PWS'd!
- <move> is an aggro dump! You HAVE to stop dps when it happens!
....Yeah, why the hell would you WANT to save your CD moves (taunts, shockwaves, shield slam w/e) for use after these moves when dps can just turn off the switch.
- Hah, I've never used living bomb.
....Yeah, who cares you're 2k below all of our other mages?
- I can play any class with only two buttons.
....Yeah, and you can't even top the tank/ele shaman healer on the dps/heal meters.

[Xaerve]

This typically happens when someone eBays a character and then asks how to play it. This is universal across all MMOs, including Gemstone.

This effect gets amplified when said eBayer repeatedly asks how to play, and then proceeds to ignore all the advice given in favor of "Well my way is better....but guys can you tell me how to do X?"

This effect gets even more amplified when said requested advice from said eBayer is part of some ridiculously elaborate plan to do something incredibly simple, like farming and leveling.

It's like writing a 400 page business plan for a lemonade stand, asking Donald Trump for advice, then telling him he's an asshole and you don't need his advice in the midst of an "Everyone on Wall Street is mean to me!" post.

If you want to learn more about the game as you play, stop buying capped characters and play the game. Pour lemonade into a cup and sell it. You don't need a 400 page business plan with graph charts and projected income expectations unless your name is Tamral and you're explaining boss fights to lesser people like us who would be doomed to eternally killing Hogger without his expertise.

You also might want to spare your future raid group the headache and don't tank...anything.

And if you think people here are being assholes about it, I love to see how the WoW forums would react to these threads and your super elaborate gold farming/character leveling plans.

Thread over.

[Allereli]

If you want to learn more about the game as you play, stop buying capped characters and play the game. Pour lemonade into a cup and sell it.

I pwn at Lemonade Stand (http://www.classbrain.com/cb_games/cb_gms_bag/lemonade.html)

[AnticorRifling]

Flame Leviathan doesn't drop that many weapons for you though.. :(
HAHA fuck you. While full of mouth breathers we are up to Hodir and Co. I am tempted to dual wield titanguards though

[AestheticDeath]

How about another TLDR post?


Exactly this.
I've posted help twice in this thread, and it's been refuted by you both times. As a self-professed "noob", why not stfu, listen, do some research and actual begin to understand the game. Excuse me?


Unholy is probably the better farming/AOE spec.
But yeah, do the dailies. Thats how I make gold.
Levelling a character is pretty lucrative once you hit Outland too.


Now I just redid my unholy spec a lil, and my frost spec. So far my frost spec is far superior to unholy insofar as downtime, and ease of use. Not that there is real downtime to either one. But with frost they go down quicker, and I have more health left over, and I can tank a much larger group when I am farming, which means more kills per hour.

Course maybe I am doing something wrong I dunno.


You call this refuting? I call it discussion, maybe you could explain why you think unholy is better. Unholy does more AOE dps over the long haul, but that in and of it self doesn't make it the better one IMO.

Neither my frost nor my unholy builds can heal well, they are stuck with unmodified death strike as a main heal, which is a waste of runes hitting one target with two runes. I prefer not to use bandages or potions as it is excess cost. I prefer not to eat food, because its wasted time.

When I under hunt with the 80 against 70ish creatures, I have used my tank gear in my frost aura, and blood aura. Blood aura keeps me at full health normally. Frost aura is awesome DPS vs things so much younger, and I usually don't lose to much health either. I don't need uber DPS like you want in raids. When the things are so easy, you need quick kills. And the way I have been farming, you need to be able to move, which takes away some of the unholy AOE, if I recall correctly.

Tell me why I should take the advice of 'unholy is best', when you don't explain why or how to set it up? What faith should I have in that statement that says I am doing it the wrong way?

Call it refuting all you want, I am just looking for help which means I try to explain what I am doing, and why it works for me atm, where I think yours may not work as well if it doesn't. Especially if I have already tried said advice and failed.


"But yeah, do the dailies. Thats how I make gold."

Which ones? See original questions: "Which other dailies are some of the more profitable ones? Does anyone actually do the max 25 dailies every day?"


Stock up on regs and items that will be in hot demand prior to a big patch. I bought up hundreds of lesser prismatics before Season 3 in anticipation of people needing their gear enchanted. I wasn't wrong. Same applied for pre 3.1 with flasks. The moment the patch hit everyone was in Ulduar.
Second piece of advice? Show me where I refuted or even responded to it.


This typically happens when someone eBays a character and then asks how to play it. This is universal across all MMOs, including Gemstone.

This effect gets amplified when said eBayer repeatedly asks how to play, and then proceeds to ignore all the advice given in favor of "Well my way is better....but guys can you tell me how to do X?"

This effect gets even more amplified when said requested advice from said eBayer is part of some ridiculously elaborate plan to do something incredibly simple, like farming and leveling.

Funny guy! I was playing my DK before I bought one. I would have had all the same problems now whether I bought a character or not. Learn to play a young one, learn to play a capped one? What is the difference? DK's start at 55, so there is already a disadvantage insofar as not having had much time to level slowly and learn. I probably haven't had more then 20 game hours total questing to level the guy from 55-68. I am supposed to be uber knowledgeable about the guy already? I don't even have all his spells and abilities yet.

And beyond one instance where I helped out a few guys, I have not tried using the bought character to do anything but farm, and it has been successful enough without interfering with anyone elses game play. So its not like I brought him out and started raising hell in someones guild cause I don't know wtf I am doing or something.

The only reason I bought him as I think I already stated was to have the gold he had, a few guys with professions already done up so I could make use of them instead of wasting gold leveling up the ones I don't need or want, or have to waste my gold paying others to do things for me. And run me through instances for gear on my own guy.

And I don't ignore everyones advice, I've used plenty of it whether you know it or not. If I find some here and there and disagree with it, it becomes widespread after one or two people say I don't agree with anything from anyone!

[StrayRogue]

lol here we go again.

I cannot express how naive you must be if you think there is no "learning curve" in terms of playing at 55 or 80. You don't get all your skills and talents at once. You slowly add them to you cadre of abilities, plugging the gaps of what you can and cannot do. For example learning to tank prior to getting the taunt button. Doing such things teaches you your class. Buying it teaches you nothing.

Seriously why are you begging for help when simply learning the class yourself, or googling/researching it is far simpler.

And yes you have refuted me, and the entire DK community. Unholy is the premier AOE build (and DPS build last I checked). It's also the best levelling build. If you'd bothered to look on Elitist Jerks or WoWpro or anything you'd know this. And who the hell mentioned aura? WTF has aura got to do with it? Using unholy is quicker because there is 0 downtime when grinding lowbie mobs, but if you suck and need hp, use Blood. Having an unholy spec does not gimp the other auras.

Here, I googled. This is a level 60ish DK in starter blues AOEing without any significant trouble. THIS IS THE BASICS.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k7MDiFNDcjw8CwND6e

Secondly you refuted the "my trinket is best in the world". No, it isn't. It's a good pre to mid naxx trinket. Saying "it has more stamina" is just hilarious.

[StrayRogue]

Oh you'll need glyph of death strike.

Here's what Frost misses in terms of AOE:
Desecration, Unholy Blight, and Wandering Plague.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm going to agree with StrayRogue on this one, everything you've said about DK is wrong, laughable, or both.

[CrystalTears]

I would have had all the same problems now whether I bought a character or not.I disagree.
Learn to play a young one, learn to play a capped one? What is the difference?Huge. If you don't get the concept of learning as you go as opposed to learning everything in one sitting, then I don't know what to tell you.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm going to agree with StrayRogue on this one, everything you've said about DK is wrong, laughable, or both.

Like what.

[AnticorRifling]

You call this refuting? I call it discussion, maybe you could explain why you think unholy is better. Unholy does more AOE dps over the long haul, but that in and of it self doesn't make it the better one IMO. If you're talking about straight grinding/farming Unholy does, in fact, win, it wins hard. Especially if you're underhunting like you say you are. Let's go over the basics:

Perma ghoul + glyph: You can tag just about anything and the pet will finish it off. Hell right now I auto run tag mobs in my path with PS, anything outside my direct path gets an IT, ghoul kills behind me.

Unholy Blight: Keep it up at all times. You can run and gather a group, using UB and BB you're pretty much done. Group is dead. Faster and more efficent than HB.

On a pale horse: Getting to and from where you're going faster. If you're not grinding with this you're failing.

Improved Unholy Presence: Allows you to remain in Blood Presence with the benefits of run speed increase. Again if you're grinding without this you're failing.

Ebon Plague: Oh shit a third disease that makes your other diseases and things like BB and UB hit harder, faster killing....


Neither my frost nor my unholy builds can heal well, they are stuck with unmodified death strike as a main heal, which is a waste of runes hitting one target with two runes. I prefer not to use bandages or potions as it is excess cost. I prefer not to eat food, because its wasted time. If you're taking so much damage that healing is actually a concern you need to adjust what/how you're doing what you're doing. DS is not a waste, even untalented. DS and being in blood presence means you should have enough healing for the duration. If you must you can always pull a pet, sac it, boom healed. Or if you dropped a few points into frost (which I do with my pvp/grind unholy build) you can lichborne + DC yourself, boom healed. All while never having to hold still.


When I under hunt with the 80 against 70ish creatures, I have used my tank gear in my frost aura, and blood aura. Blood aura keeps me at full health normally. Frost aura is awesome DPS vs things so much younger, and I usually don't lose to much health either. I don't need uber DPS like you want in raids. When the things are so easy, you need quick kills. And the way I have been farming, you need to be able to move, which takes away some of the unholy AOE, if I recall correctly. FRost presence is awesome DPS.... explain this one to me. Frost presence is for increased health and damage mitigation only, it does nothing to increase and or improve your DPS in any way, shape or form. Being able to move takes away from one ability, DnD not a big deal and I rarely need to use it. BB has a decent range, Pest has a decent range, UB has a decent range, enough so that I can keep moving and continue to kill while on the fly. Grab a mob, disease it, pest it, when it's about dead move to the next and pest again to refresh diseases on everything else, kill your target, move to the next pest again, etc. etc. etc. It's not tough and it doens't require holding still. Again your pet, garg, UB they all move with you. So you recall incorrectly.


Tell me why I should take the advice of 'unholy is best', when you don't explain why or how to set it up? What faith should I have in that statement that says I am doing it the wrong way? I'm going to assume that he doesn't want to hand hold. If you hear unholy is best then go research unholy and make the judgment for yourself. It seems you're not taking the advice given so why should time be wasted spelling it out in detail?

How should you set it up?

0/17/54
0/10/61
Both work great, get the talents I mentioned above. Get glyphs like Glyph of the Ghoul, Glyph of Pestilence. The rest don't matter for grinding.

As for dailies I just do my JC daily, my cooking daily, and the Argent Tournament daily quests. I herb and I mine so I can provide for raw materials so I don't have to buy anything. That's it.

[Nieninque]

I disagree.Huge. If you don't get the concept of learning as you go as opposed to learning everything in one sitting, then I don't know what to tell you.

Suddenly those Negativo threads jumped into my mind.

[RichardCranium]

I went unholy for a second but I thought it sucked. It has a lot to do with your style of playing. I do better with specs that I can keep a nice, tight rotation with. This (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0Icfkf0stZfMbhxc) is the build I use to level and I haven't had any problems, even soloing most of the group quests. I usually finish at the top of the damage meter in instances too.

[CrystalTears]

Neither my frost nor my unholy builds can heal well, they are stuck with unmodified death strike as a main heal, which is a waste of runes hitting one target with two runes. I prefer not to use bandages or potions as it is excess cost. I prefer not to eat food, because its wasted time. What the motherfuck? What are you spending all this gold you're farming on that you don't want to spend gold on fucking TOOLS to heal and buff yourself with??

[g++]

What the motherfuck? What are you spending all this gold you're farming on that you don't want to spend gold on fucking TOOLS to heal and buff yourself with??

CT I dont think you understand. He bought a level 80 geared DK for 300 dollars so he can grind gold in level 70 instances. Despite the fact that for 300 dollars he could have just bought 30 thousand gold outright. This man clearly knows exactly what he is doing and will make 30k gold selling netherweave bandages in thrallmar. At 200 gold per hour(which is generous) making this money back will take approximately 150 hours. The fact that you can easily go from 1-80 and run naxxramas 10 times with a /played of less than 100 hours is a pointless fact that no one should ever bring up. Lets not question his ability to completely miss the forest because of all the pretty trees. Also world of warcraft was designed for people to wander around alone grinding gold.

[CrystalTears]

Dumbest player alive.

[Asha]

I was just wondering..
Am I unlikely to successfully grind lvl 70 instances and all that because my main is a rogue?
I fucking love playing a rogue though..

[Some Rogue]

Probably not as a rogue. You'd have too much downtime.

[g++]

Probably not as a rogue. You'd have too much downtime.

Yah although if your rep grinding it would also be really easy to stealth to bosses, whack em and reset the instance...so as far as that you can still do it if your dps is high enough to evasion tank your way through the tough ones.

[Asha]

Gotcha. :)

[Ignot]

What kind of classes will let you grind through level 70 dungeons solo? Can they all do it? does it depend mostly on gear?

[g++]

What kind of classes will let you grind through level 70 dungeons solo? Can they all do it? does it depend mostly on gear?

Paladins, DKs, and druids are prolly the easiest...after that I would say warlocks, hunters.. then warriors and mages, then shamans, rogues, priests.

It mostly depends on your class but obviously the better your gear the easier everything is. I would say when you get to warriors and mages you get into the realm of some dungeons just being impossible to solo. That said with enough skill Im sure you could pull off some pretty crazy shit with a mage or shaman if you were really really good. The other day 2 guys downed flame leviathan by themselves heh.

[g++]

And if you think people here are being assholes about it, I love to see how the WoW forums would react to these threads and your super elaborate gold farming/character leveling plans.

Was reading WoW forums, came across this and could not help but think of this thread.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13275809573&sid=1&pageNo=3

By the way the guy quit wow from the response lol.

[Methais]

What happened to AD's other threads? I can't seem to find them. Especially the one where he was twinking out level 0 gear. :(

[Methais]

Was reading WoW forums, came across this and could not help but think of this thread.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13275809573&sid=1&pageNo=3

By the way the guy quit wow from the response lol.


shut your fat sandy vag, hows that for mature, jerk

:rofl:

[Asha]

Skillz

[CrystalTears]

What happened to AD's other threads? I can't seem to find them. Especially the one where he was twinking out level 0 gear. :(

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=38271

[g++]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=38271


http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=42094&page=2

Heres the one where blizzard callously dashed his hopes of twinking level 0 characters to finally get back at those nasty boars that have been camping him out front of Org for months.

[CrystalTears]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=42094&page=2

Heres the one where blizzard callously dashed his hopes of twinking level 0 characters to finally get back at those nasty boars that have been camping him out front of Org for months.

Oh shit! :rofl: How did I miss this?!

[Some Rogue]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=42094&page=2

Heres the one where blizzard callously dashed his hopes of twinking level 0 characters to finally get back at those nasty boars that have been camping him out front of Org for months.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a64/lrenzo2/khaaaaan.jpg

[AestheticDeath]

FRost presence is awesome DPS.... explain this one to me. Frost presence is for increased health and damage mitigation only, it does nothing to increase and or improve your DPS in any way, shape or form.

I don't recall what I said and don't care to look it up, but perhaps I misspoke. I use a frost spec, and use that in blood or frost presence. I use BB and IT to gather mobs in one large group rather than killing them randomly as I find them. I use unholy presence to walk around if I need to.

Once I have a large group(5-6 groups of 4-5 mobs), I pull one new untouched mob with death grip, I put my two diseases up, then pestilence then proceed to BB and deathchill/howling blast. Or whatever it is. Two bbs and a 100% crit from the HB kills 95% of them, except for the newest ones which didn't take as much damage from being herded along. The rest till go down rather quickly with targeted shots.

Frost spec, allows more frost damage, and gives me the deathchill/HB. It also gives unbreakable armor, which when used negates pretty much all dmg from these mobs I am killing.

[SHAFT]

i fucking hate dk's. and paladins

[StrayRogue]

I don't recall what I said and don't care to look it up, but perhaps I misspoke. I use a frost spec, and use that in blood or frost presence. I use BB and IT to gather mobs in one large group rather than killing them randomly as I find them. I use unholy presence to walk around if I need to.

Once I have a large group(5-6 groups of 4-5 mobs), I pull one new untouched mob with death grip, I put my two diseases up, then pestilence then proceed to BB and deathchill/howling blast. Or whatever it is. Two bbs and a 100% crit from the HB kills 95% of them, except for the newest ones which didn't take as much damage from being herded along. The rest till go down rather quickly with targeted shots.

Frost spec, allows more frost damage, and gives me the deathchill/HB. It also gives unbreakable armor, which when used negates pretty much all dmg from these mobs I am killing.

/Facepalm.

[g++]

i fucking hate dk's. and paladins

We hate you too.

[Drisco]

Paladins, DKs, and druids are prolly the easiest...after that I would say warlocks, hunters.. then warriors and mages, then shamans, rogues, priests.

It mostly depends on your class but obviously the better your gear the easier everything is. I would say when you get to warriors and mages you get into the realm of some dungeons just being impossible to solo. That said with enough skill Im sure you could pull off some pretty crazy shit with a mage or shaman if you were really really good. The other day 2 guys downed flame leviathan by themselves heh.



I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there about the priests being last... In my opinion they would be up there with Dk's or ahead of the warlocks.

Just throw up a shield and mind sear the whole group from a distance= win.

By the time the guy you started mind searing gets to you the whole group is dead and just smite the shit out of him or something.

[SHAFT]

We hate you too.

I should have said I hate fighting dks and paladins, but they're cool when they're on my team.

Nothing better when you're fighting someone and all of a sudden they get yanked by a dk on your team. It's over at that point

[g++]

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there about the priests being last... In my opinion they would be up there with Dk's or ahead of the warlocks.

Just throw up a shield and mind sear the whole group from a distance= win.

By the time the guy you started mind searing gets to you the whole group is dead and just smite the shit out of him or something.

I dont think it would work too well on the bosses though. A mage or warlock can pet tank, or blink kite bosses long enough to kill them and dks can pretty much each fritos while watching porn and hitting their keyboard with their feet so Im gonna go ahead and say its at least easier for dks. Its all subjective and very skewed by my experience wasnt suppost to be an insult to priests or anything.



I should have said I hate fighting dks and paladins, but they're cool when they're on my team.

Nothing better when you're fighting someone and all of a sudden they get yanked by a dk on your team. It's over at that point.

I dont mind seeing dks in bgs or world pvp their pretty much as easy to kite as warriors death grip is just charge with different animation really and chains of ice = hamstring...its the same friggin thing except they have a shitty spammable plague they throw everywhere....I really dont even find killing the majority of them challenging. Rogues are the real mass murderers in 3.1 wow.

Oh and as for ret paladins I was healing a bg yesterday and got one on me....vindication was a HUGE nerf...I just laughed at the dude really without the 20% health reduction theres just no way in hell they can outpace a healer anymore.

[AnticorRifling]

I don't recall what I said and don't care to look it up, but perhaps I misspoke. I use a frost spec, and use that in blood or frost presence. I use BB and IT to gather mobs in one large group rather than killing them randomly as I find them. I use unholy presence to walk around if I need to.

Once I have a large group(5-6 groups of 4-5 mobs), I pull one new untouched mob with death grip, I put my two diseases up, then pestilence then proceed to BB and deathchill/howling blast. Or whatever it is. Two bbs and a 100% crit from the HB kills 95% of them, except for the newest ones which didn't take as much damage from being herded along. The rest till go down rather quickly with targeted shots.

Frost spec, allows more frost damage, and gives me the deathchill/HB. It also gives unbreakable armor, which when used negates pretty much all dmg from these mobs I am killing. Let me find it for you....


When I under hunt with the 80 against 70ish creatures, I have used my tank gear in my frost aura, and blood aura. Blood aura keeps me at full health normally. Frost aura is awesome DPS vs things so much younger, and I usually don't lose to much health either.

That's not a hey I misspoke and called a frost build frost presence. That's a I R don't know DK.

I still say drag and drop is less efficent than speed killing.

[AestheticDeath]

No, it's exactly what I corrected it to. Frost spec causes the DPS, frost aura lessens the damage. How hard is it to understand I typed the wrong thing? Sometimes frustration causes me to respond too quickly and I say something I didn't mean.

And how is grouping them any less efficient? You have to walk to each group no matter what, if you take 3-5 seconds to drop each group with unholy, and you take 8-10 seconds to kill 6 groups at the same time, your more efficient. Unless you think your mounting and 20% speed increase is so helpful for groups that are close enough together you can almost hit two at a time with AOE spells.

BTW I made 180g yesterday, spending 27 minutes killing these mobs. No matter what you think about me or my play style, it is effective. Yours could be more so, but whatever.

[StrayRogue]

If you can't see how being 20% faster isn't helpful...well I'm lost for words.

[AestheticLife]

Farm Kittens.














































(while that was meant to be sarcastic, it actually brings in a solid 200-300g per on the proper servers... 900-1500g ezcakes if you know what you're doing, on a daily basis)

[AestheticDeath]

If you can't see how being 20% faster isn't helpful...well I'm lost for words.

Perhaps you missed the whole fucking point of my post. I don't mount at all. Hence no benefit from 20% speed. They are all grouped in one area. If I need a little speed, I can still get 15% from unholy presence. I don't need 20%. Whether I were to pull several groups of them together to kill them, or kill a single group at a time, I don't mount up to get to them. Not unless/until I have killed basically the whole area, and then I get on a flying mount to see what if anything has respawned. It just is not needed for what I am doing with the guy. It doesn't work in instances either, so again kind of a waste. If I need it, the unholy spec he uses has it.

If I were running around trying to find nodes or ore, 20% mount speed is a tremendous help, and I use it all the time on my own DK.

*I use the unholy spec with On a Pale Horse while in wintergrasp farming, it does help a lot there, whether its gathering ore, or farming mobs.

[StrayRogue]

Nice to know that you have every mob, node, vendor, mailbox and auction house within pulling distance.

[AestheticDeath]

Har Har HAR! See above. But yet again, it would only be 5% increase over what any other DK can do with a presence rather then the skill spec.

I do use it on occasion, but not for the creatures this whole argument came out of.

[Xaerve]

Nice to know that you have every mob, node, vendor, mailbox and auction house within pulling distance.

Alright, that was really fucking funny. :rofl:

AD, please continue to post -- this thread gives me something to read when I'm bored at work!

[TheEschaton]

I've had some success farming as an spriest specced into disc far enough for improved shields. But as someone said prior, bosses are hard, and usually wtf pwn, usually it's put up shield, pew pew at max distance, and when you get to half, throw up a renew and a new shield, disperse, let dots run their course....rinse repeat. Can't really do this more than once since disperse is only a 2 or 3 minute CD.

As for the learning curve - it is significant. A friend of mine gave me his 70 shaman in TBC when he decided he didn't want to play any more. I had no idea what I was doing. Since then, I've levelled my own shaman, and even though I levelled him enh, I know more about ele and play that shaman better. Starting to learn a character at 80 is very difficult - levelling as you go is easier to learn, because you get a new spell every 5 levels or so, and a new talent every 3-5 levels, and you adjust for them in your rotation as they occur.

On an amusing note, someone whispered me the other day asking me for advice on spriesting the other day. I was like, sure, but why are you asking me? He was like, well, according to wow-heroes.com, you're the fourth shadowpriest on the server, even higher than the Assent shadowpriest. I lold and told him that if he thought I was better than other spriests based on gear, he was sorely mistaken. I don't even know that Sinax and Morrowene run any more as spriests, since they're so useless now.

-TheE-

[Some Rogue]

wow-heroes can be a fun site, but it's quite often wrong too.

[Trouble]

wow-heroes can be a fun site, but it's quite often wrong too.

Yeah I could see how the rankings would be off if people get polled at inopportune times. Like some people have multiple sets of gear within the same spec (trash/grind, boss w/SP, Boss w/o SP, PvP, etc) and the item levels may vary.

[Some Rogue]

OMG I R THIRD RANKED ROGUE ON TEH HORDE SIDE!!!!!11111

[AestheticDeath]

wtf, i went to the wowheros.com and it had my last server at the top in the search section, are they reading my blizz info just from opening the web page?

[hectomaner]

wow. just wow.

i can say that i feel bad for anyone who ends up in a guild with you.

[AestheticDeath]

And on another note, why is it that when I am tanking my DPS is as high as the other DPS guys? I know I am making some mistakes here and there, and sometimes the DPSers really suck... but really is it that hard? And so far the healers suck.

Am I suppose to sacrifice some DPS for other more threatening abilities? And if so what is more threatening? I don't have a real rotation yet which is a mistake I know, but my frost spec while tanking I use howling blast, frost strike, rune strike, obliterate for the most part. Sometimes/most times I try to get plague strike up too, and spread diseases. I add in death strike if healer is lagging/sucking etc.

But last nights run on my 70 DK, I was basically right at the same DPS as a 71 paladin that was supposed to be a DPSer, though I didn't look at his build. He and I were swapping the #1 spot. There was another 68 paladin which probably shouldn't have been there, and a 74 healer, and a 70+ hunter. I don't recall if the hunter was 3rd or 4th. But shouldn't they easily be able to out DPS a tank spec even in greens?

And the other night I wound up helping my 'guild'. Not much of one as there are very few members and they are fairly noobish even though they all have several 80s. We wound up doing 10 man Naxx. I was OT, while this other gal was MT. I outtanked her in some instances where she went down, cause the healer couldn't keep up, and then I took over and tanked almost solo several times. Everyone else went down real quick after MT went down. But the thing is, I out DPSed her, and 7-8 other guys there. Now as a tank she shouldn't be high on the list, and the two healers shouldn't be either. But we had some people swapping in and out. At some point we had a mage, a rogue, a warlock, at least 2 DKs maybe 3. A holy paladin I think was swapped for one of the healers at some point. It was a mess. Anyways our top DPS was the warlock at like 2.5k? I don't think anyone else hit 2k. I was either 2nd or third in DPS at around 1800...

So is this totally up to their gear that they can't DPS well yet, or do they just suck? I mean I hear about all these other guys doing 5k plus and whatnot, and I know some/alot of that is their gear, especially the higher item lvl weapons.

[AestheticDeath]

wow. just wow.

i can say that i feel bad for anyone who ends up in a guild with you.

Thanks. But so far, I have done better with a guy I bought than everyone else in the guild has done with guys they leveled on their own. So much for y'alls learning curve. I may not be in the top of the game, but I am by no means the worst either.

And seriously how many things do you have and get to use at 80 that you don't have at 70?

[Some Rogue]

DK's have a ton of AoE abilities. You're spreading diseases all over the place. Most DPS classes are focus firing down mobs.

[CrystalTears]

Thanks. But so far, I have done better with a guy I bought than everyone else in the guild has done with guys they leveled on their own. So much for y'alls learning curve. I may not be in the top of the game, but I am by no means the worst either.

And seriously how many things do you have and get to use at 80 that you don't have at 70?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a12/taylor_158/lolwut.jpg

[Nieninque]

And on another note, why is it that when I am tanking my DPS is as high as the other DPS guys? I know I am making some mistakes here and there, and sometimes the DPSers really suck... but really is it that hard? And so far the healers suck.

Am I suppose to sacrifice some DPS for other more threatening abilities? And if so what is more threatening? I don't have a real rotation yet which is a mistake I know, but my frost spec while tanking I use howling blast, frost strike, rune strike, obliterate for the most part. Sometimes/most times I try to get plague strike up too, and spread diseases. I add in death strike if healer is lagging/sucking etc.

But last nights run on my 70 DK, I was basically right at the same DPS as a 71 paladin that was supposed to be a DPSer, though I didn't look at his build. He and I were swapping the #1 spot. There was another 68 paladin which probably shouldn't have been there, and a 74 healer, and a 70+ hunter. I don't recall if the hunter was 3rd or 4th. But shouldn't they easily be able to out DPS a tank spec even in greens?

And the other night I wound up helping my 'guild'. Not much of one as there are very few members and they are fairly noobish even though they all have several 80s. We wound up doing 10 man Naxx. I was OT, while this other gal was MT. I outtanked her in some instances where she went down, cause the healer couldn't keep up, and then I took over and tanked almost solo several times. Everyone else went down real quick after MT went down. But the thing is, I out DPSed her, and 7-8 other guys there. Now as a tank she shouldn't be high on the list, and the two healers shouldn't be either. But we had some people swapping in and out. At some point we had a mage, a rogue, a warlock, at least 2 DKs maybe 3. A holy paladin I think was swapped for one of the healers at some point. It was a mess. Anyways our top DPS was the warlock at like 2.5k? I don't think anyone else hit 2k. I was either 2nd or third in DPS at around 1800...

So is this totally up to their gear that they can't DPS well yet, or do they just suck? I mean I hear about all these other guys doing 5k plus and whatnot, and I know some/alot of that is their gear, especially the higher item lvl weapons.

Looking back a few years, whoever thought they would have invented the ability to type on the internet in crayon.

[Nieninque]

Thanks. But so far, I have done better with a guy I bought than everyone else in the guild has done with guys they leveled on their own. So much for y'alls learning curve. I may not be in the top of the game, but I am by no means the worst either.

And seriously how many things do you have and get to use at 80 that you don't have at 70?

Please tell me you are still on Dunemaul?

[AestheticDeath]

DK's have a ton of AoE abilities. You're spreading diseases all over the place. Most DPS classes are focus firing down mobs.
I realize this, but my attack power is a lot lower, and several if not most, so far have had their own AOE abilities. There have been several DKs in almost every group. All DPS, since all I do is tank when I group up.


Anyone have a clip of the DPS of one of their 5man/10man outings?

[AestheticDeath]

Please tell me you are still on Dunemaul?

nope sorry go pick on someone else

[Nieninque]

Damn...would have been nice to tear your "not the worst either" DK apart.

[AestheticDeath]

Because that proves something?

[Nieninque]

Yeah.

[AestheticDeath]

OK.

[AestheticLife]

You're spreading diseases all over the place.

That's what she said.

[StrayRogue]

/fp

You're talking about level 70 stuff? Of course you're going to be owning the metre. DK's are perhaps the most OP class up to level 80. You can solo every quest bar two or three in the entirity of Outland. You get given better gear than t2.

And yes, learn a rotation for the love of god.

[AestheticDeath]

My 70, and the 80 I was playing in 10 man naxx. As the 80, the warlock was like the only one who really out did my dmg out of the 6 DPS. 1-2 got slightly higher but not enough to matter. We only got to the third boss before quitting because their DPS sucked so bad.

And yeah I soloed every quest in outland, except the actual 5man dungeons. But at this point, gear is reaching item lvl 140, vs the item lvl 70 crap we started with. Gear shouldn't have anything to do with it now, or starting gear anyways.

So how do your guild tanks compare to your DPS?

[StrayRogue]

...

DKs don't start with level 70 items.
I don't believe you solo'd ever quest in Outland.
2.5k DPS is low to medium on 10 man with pugs in HC/Blue gear.

[AestheticDeath]

item level not character level

er, no i didnt solo every quest in outland... I was thinking of Hellfire peninsula, did all of it, then most of zangarmash before hitting 68 and going to howling fjord.

[AnticorRifling]

I realize this, but my attack power is a lot lower, and several if not most, so far have had their own AOE abilities. There have been several DKs in almost every group. All DPS, since all I do is tank when I group up.


Anyone have a clip of the DPS of one of their 5man/10man outings? Depends on the instance, group make up (do I get blood lust/WF), etc. Do you want an entire instance parse or data from just a boss, is the boss something that takes extra damage like thaddius or would a straight burn like Patchwerk do? Right now in Ulduar I sustain roughly 5.6k dps depending on the night and how I'm playing. Certain bosses I can shoot up to 7k, Thaddius is higher than that.

Keep in mind I'm blood spec, generally a straight unholy DPS build will slightly out pace me. We bring 3 DPS DKs, one of each flavor, we all tend to jockey for position with a ret pally and an MS warrior above us, sometimes a rogue two if they eat their wheaties and come to work.

[AestheticDeath]

I'm assuming your DPS. Do the tanks keep up with or surpass that DPS? - also do you raid in the pvp gear I see on armory, or is there another set?

[AnticorRifling]

On Dachcow I've got BiS for everything pre 25man Ulduar and I'm working on the Ulduar pieces. I'm probably logged out in either PvP gear (I always quest/grind in PvP gear) or in my pirate shit + halberd of smiting which is what I wear when I'm killing low lvl pirates.

You'll see 2 specs on my DK, the blood spec (51/2/18) is the PvE DPS spec, the unholy spec (0/17/54) is what I use for PvP/grinding.

Tanks don't do near that much damage but they keep aggro just fine.

[g++]

My 70, and the 80 I was playing in 10 man naxx. As the 80, the warlock was like the only one who really out did my dmg out of the 6 DPS. 1-2 got slightly higher but not enough to matter. We only got to the third boss before quitting because their DPS sucked so bad.

And yeah I soloed every quest in outland, except the actual 5man dungeons. But at this point, gear is reaching item lvl 140, vs the item lvl 70 crap we started with. Gear shouldn't have anything to do with it now, or starting gear anyways.

So how do your guild tanks compare to your DPS?

You are beating people in ten man naxx on meters because....::drum roll:: your geared for ulduar already and they ::drum roll:: are there for 10 man naxx loot.

Nice job picking up the everyone but me must suck because we failed attitiude already thats going to help you out alot in the long run.

[TheEschaton]

BEar tanks and DK tanks can put out good damage, but amongst similarly geared folks, they shouldn't be anywhere near the top.

But my bear tank regularly outdpses all the dps in heroics....cause they're looking for heroic gear, and I'm in Naxx25 gear.

[Methais]

Another thing about farming Ramparts that makes it rule, at least on my server: Level 57-60 greens with useful stats (of the bandit, sorcerer, invoker, beast, champion, bear, physician, even monkey, etc.) sells for a fuckload on the auction house, anywhere from 10-50g each. 57 is the lowest level for outland gear with good stats on it with stuff like +spellpower and +attack power, etc., and most people want to upgrade their shitty Azeroth gear as soon as possible and will pay more for gear of that level than say a level 65 "of the bandit" item, since by then they'll already have Outland quest reward gear if nothing else.

So if you factor that in, farming ramparts can come out to way more than 200g per hour.

[Some Rogue]

Another thing about farming Ramparts that makes it rule, at least on my server: Level 57-60 greens with useful stats (of the bandit, sorcerer, invoker, beast, champion, bear, physician, even monkey, etc.) sells for a fuckload on the auction house, anywhere from 10-50g each. 57 is the lowest level for outland gear with good stats on it with stuff like +spellpower and +attack power, etc., and most people want to upgrade their shitty Azeroth gear as soon as possible and will pay more for gear of that level than say a level 65 "of the bandit" item, since by then they'll already have Outland quest reward gear if nothing else.


There's a douche now on dunemaul that keeps doing this. Plus he buys up everyone else's stuff and lists it for 48g. I have two characters to gear up and I refuse to spend that much on greens.

[Methais]

There's a douche now on dunemaul that keeps doing this. Plus he buys up everyone else's stuff and lists it for 48g. I have two characters to gear up and I refuse to spend that much on greens.

I don't think that charging what people are willing to pay is being a douche. Buying the cheaper stuff and marking it up, maybe, but not really.

I don't buy anyone else's stuff to resell (though that's a good idea), and I personally wouldn't spend that much to gear up an alt for Outland, but there are plenty of people more than willing to spend that kind of money to make the Outland grind just a little quicker. 99% of them are alts whose mains probably have 47823904702839 gold sitting around collecting dust anyway.

[Some Rogue]

Eh, I don't know how many people are willing to pay it though, he has pages of stuff.

It's fine with me, people who try to corner the market on stuff like that, usually end up losing their ass. I can farm it just as easily myself with my prot paladin. I was just trying to save myself a little bit of time. I'm just gonna undercut his ass on everything I farm.

[Methais]

Eh, I don't know how many people are willing to pay it though, he has pages of stuff.

I've sold almost everything I've put up so far the first time, but yeah I can see how pages and pages of it wouldn't sell. Eredar's a low-med pop server though so it's almost never flooded.

[Stanley Burrell]

Looking back a few years, whoever thought they would have invented the ability to type on the internet in crayon.

Hahahahahahaha

[AestheticDeath]

You are beating people in ten man naxx on meters because....::drum roll:: your geared for ulduar already and they ::drum roll:: are there for 10 man naxx loot.

Nice job picking up the everyone but me must suck because we failed attitiude already thats going to help you out alot in the long run.

One of the DPS Dks had the same level, same weapon, more AP, and more STR crit gear than I did. Hence I don't understand how my DPS was higher. That my tanking gear is already item lvl 200-213 when his is a mix of 187-200 and a couple 213s shouldn't matter as much as what type of gear it is, and what he is specced for. Weapon makes up more DPS then most other pieces of gear anyways. At least while leveling. At the top end the differences might not be as great.

And after talking to some of them, it seems the DKs almost never use rune strike like they should. (I have it on a macro so whenever I hit a rune ability the rune strike goes off if I have enough rune power.)

And the everyone else sucks thing? I actually never made a negative comment while in the raid, I was asking Did I do something wrong? I was just repeating what the other tank was talking about. The DPS was very very poor. And the healers apparently had little experience. The other tank actually said I played the guy very well for him not being mine.


Another thing about farming Ramparts that makes it rule, at least on my server: Level 57-60 greens with useful stats (of the bandit, sorcerer, invoker, beast, champion, bear, physician, even monkey, etc.) sells for a fuckload on the auction house, anywhere from 10-50g each. 57 is the lowest level for outland gear with good stats on it with stuff like +spellpower and +attack power, etc., and most people want to upgrade their shitty Azeroth gear as soon as possible and will pay more for gear of that level than say a level 65 "of the bandit" item, since by then they'll already have Outland quest reward gear if nothing else.

So if you factor that in, farming ramparts can come out to way more than 200g per hour.

I have been noticing the champion gear on my server since I have been looking for it. And there are like at least 5 retards pricing every single piece at 160g. Anything from 57-80, if its champion, they snatch it and relist at exorbitant prices. Oh and soldier gear, as I was looking for some in my blood/dps build.

[StrayRogue]

Does the hilarity never end?

First you totally refute your own comment within the space of 2 sentences.


One of the DPS Dks had the same level, same weapon, more AP, and more STR crit gear than I did. Hence I don't understand how my DPS was higher. That my tanking gear is already item lvl 200-213 when his is a mix of 187-200 and a couple 213s shouldn't matter as much as what type of gear it is, and what he is specced for.


You say you have the same gear, but then you say you have better. DKs are in a unique position whereby the difference between tanking and DPS, in terms of spec, isn't as radical as say Protection vs. Fury. Itemization and a few key talents are what make the difference. You've said you had superior gear. Gratz.

Now my favourite part.



And after talking to some of them, it seems the DKs almost never use rune strike like they should. (I have it on a macro so whenever I hit a rune ability the rune strike goes off if I have enough rune power.)


You want DPS DK's to use Runic Strike? You want a DK doing DPS to interupt their rotation to use RS? You want a DK doing DPS to use their highest threat generating ability save for taunt on a boss? Finally you want a DK doing DPS to use an ability which can only be used IF THEY THEMSELVES DODGE OR PARRY despite the fact the are not getting attacked?

What the fuck are you on???

[AestheticDeath]

You got me on the rune strike part, as I was not thinking about it only procing on dodge/parry. Nevertheless I did not refute myself on gear. I said we had the same weapon, not all the same gear.

[AnticorRifling]

You ran with a terribad, gratz the DK class is full of them.

[g++]

One of the DPS Dks had the same level, same weapon, more AP, and more STR crit gear than I did. Hence I don't understand how my DPS was higher. That my tanking gear is already item lvl 200-213 when his is a mix of 187-200 and a couple 213s shouldn't matter as much as what type of gear it is, and what he is specced for. Weapon makes up more DPS then most other pieces of gear anyways. At least while leveling. At the top end the differences might not be as great.
.


Yah he had titansteel destroyer and a mix of blues and shit epics he got from pugs. Your character specifically hunted down BiS pieces to maximize damage output in order to be a pre-3.1 high threat tank. You dont seem to understand that two people can both be entirely in 200-226 gear and one can be a scrub and one can be good. The person you bought your character from actually knew what he was doing.

[AnticorRifling]

No, all purples are the same.

[Methais]

No, all purples are the same.

Racist.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Does the hilarity never end?

He just thinks everyone is making fun of him and being mean. He really is completely clueless about how any of the game mechanics work, and refuses to take anyone's advice. Not that there is really any great advice regarding the best way for lvl 80's to hunt/farm lvl 70 critters...

AD, I have to be the 9th or 10th person to suggest this, but here we go again...go to the elitist jerks site and read up on the DK class. Then you still won't have to know your ass from your elbows, but you can copy other people's work.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Racist.

Your old Superman avatar when he was under the influence of red kryptonite was way better.

[Xaerve]

This thread continues to deliver. AD may you live a very long life.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm currently farming Steamwheedle rep.... 10k til exalted with Gadget /vomit.

[TheEschaton]

That my tanking gear is already item lvl 200-213 when his is a mix of 187-200 and a couple 213s shouldn't matter as much as what type of gear it is, and what he is specced for.

Like someone said, this might matter for a prot pally vs. ret, but not for DKs. If our DK tank wants to dps for a fight, IE, only need one tank or something, we let our prot warrior tank, and he switches to blood presence and puts out decent dps....with the same gear and the same spec.

Altho he's pro and purchased a dual spec for pure dps.

-TheE-

[AnticorRifling]

Like someone said, this might matter for a prot pally vs. ret, but not for DKs. If our DK tank wants to dps for a fight, IE, only need one tank or something, we let our prot warrior tank, and he switches to blood presence and puts out decent dps....with the same gear and the same spec.

Altho he's pro and purchased a dual spec for pure dps.

-TheE- That's not pro, that's standard for raiding guilds. :)

Pro would be me DPSing Kologarn because I got summoned in as a replacement and I was still in my bloodsail gear and using a Halberd of Smiting. My DPS was shit but it was funny as hell.

[g++]

That's not pro, that's standard for raiding guilds. :)

Pro would be me DPSing Kologarn because I got summoned in as a replacement and I was still in my bloodsail gear and using a Halberd of Smiting. My DPS was shit but it was funny as hell.

I actually got you beat there. My guild was saying in vent they needed a dps so I was like...Ill log my mage. Summon comes in...Im in yoggs room and have never attempted it before...ready check pops up on screen....I say in vent ummmm..before I finish pulled. LOL they told me to get on my healer and we got it a few hours later but that was the most confusing 10 minutes of my wow career for sure.

[g++]

I actually got you beat there. My guild was saying in vent they needed a dps so I was like...Ill log my mage. Summon comes in...Im in yoggs room and have never attempted it before...ready check pops up on screen....I say in vent ummmm..before I finish pulled. LOL they told me to get on my healer and we got it a few hours later but that was the most confusing 10 minutes of my wow career for sure.

Heh negative rep received :

Its really funny that a somewhat intelligent person like yourself, spends a lot of your life listening to mother fucking retards in a video game for direction -F

WTF? I was asking for instructions on killing Yogg Saron not my career ya douche...anyone know who this is?

[Methais]

Your old Superman avatar when he was under the influence of red kryptonite was way better.

That was synthetic kryptonite with TAR used in place of the mystery ingredient that Richard Pryor couldn't decipher. GET IT RIGHT OMG!!!!!!111111

But anyway, he's still drunk/under the synthetic kryptonite influence in that picture. He's just in the middle of pwning the bar with peanuts.

I wish I could pwn a bar with peanuts.

[TheEschaton]

We cleared Uld25 in 2 nights and two shotted Yogg last night.....farm status? Eh.

[AnticorRifling]

We're stuck on hodir but cream of the crop is not exactly a phrase used to describe a lot of our healers....

Seriously we've got great tanks, awesome DPS, of our healers I think 3 can walk and chew gum at the same time. And Ulduar is dependant on healers not being retarded so our progress is nice and slow. We'll get it, but we'll be way behind the eight ball.

[g++]

We're stuck on hodir but cream of the crop is not exactly a phrase used to describe a lot of our healers....

Seriously we've got great tanks, awesome DPS, of our healers I think 3 can walk and chew gum at the same time. And Ulduar is dependant on healers not being retarded so our progress is nice and slow. We'll get it, but we'll be way behind the eight ball.

Having your paladins rotate aura mastery for frost resist on frozen blows iis a simple way to severly curtail the amount of skill needed to heal hodir. Just throwing it out there.

[TheEschaton]

Yanno, I'm not convinced our healers are any good, but they get us through.

I don't see us ever getting Vezax's hardmode though.

[g++]

Yanno, I'm not convinced our healers are any good, but they get us through.

I don't see us ever getting Vezax's hardmode though.

As a healer IMO vezax hardmode is more about the raid taking 0 damage from shadow crash then any kind of conservation strat on the part of healers pretty much 90% of the healing done on Vezax is done because dps or fellow healers are being hit by highly avoidable shit like shadow crash and mark, if you manage to not do that keeping the tank up long enough to bring out hard mode is kind of a foregone conclusion you can literally keep them up with a flash of light every now and then and a few hots.

[TheEschaton]

Our healers are the only ones who get hit by shadow crash. :P They refuse to stop heals mid-heal.

[AnticorRifling]

Having your paladins rotate aura mastery for frost resist on frozen blows iis a simple way to severly curtail the amount of skill needed to heal hodir. Just throwing it out there. I'll bring it up. Most of us wear frost resist gear though. Hell we might have frost resist aura up at all times too I never paid attention. As far as pallys go we've got 1 ret maybe 2, 1 holy, and 1 prot, generally don't have all 4 in the same raid though..

[g++]

I'll bring it up. Most of us wear frost resist gear though. Hell we might have frost resist aura up at all times too I never paid attention. As far as pallys go we've got 1 ret maybe 2, 1 holy, and 1 prot, generally don't have all 4 in the same raid though..


Your holy paladin should have aura mastery in his arsenal already, if not it should be a no brainer for him to pick it up. Your retadin could possibly pick it up at the expense of his dps but if hodir is a progression issue it will be well worth it. For the 10 seconds aura mastery is activated the entire raid will get +130 frost resist on top of the 130 from normal frost resist which is perfect for hodir because he slams the entire raid with frost damage for about 10 seconds. I dont have any solid numbers but when I heal through frozen blows without aura mastery everyones health bar is flying down toward death. When I pop aura mastery I get about twice as much time to hit people with heals before they drop dead, it really really takes the edge off the fight.

[AnticorRifling]

Our holy paladin is a fucking retard though. I'll suggest it to the ret paladin that's not a douche.

[StrayRogue]

Frozen blows shouldn't cause you any real trouble imo. Have everyone wear some frost res gear - even 1 piece - and you'll see an improvement.

[AnticorRifling]

The problem is avoidable damage and the inability to avoid it. I think we'll kill him tonight but holy shit it shouldn't take this long.

[StrayRogue]

I find Ulduar 25 man to be a case of wipe a few times learning the boss, then after that first kill it's instant farm mode.

[AnticorRifling]

I find Ulduar 25 man to be a case of wipe a few times learning the boss, then after that first kill it's instant farm mode.
I would expect that, with the occasional bad luck on procs wipes raids thrown in, it just seems like we shouldn't be hitting our head on a boss like this for over 2 weeks.... Although it's not like trying to progress past the guild breaker that is Razorgore.

[Some Rogue]

... Although it's not like trying to progress past the guild breaker that is Razorgore.

Dar's figure 8 kiting skills are just not where they need to be.

:lol:

[AnticorRifling]

Ohh you said earthbind totem...I thought you said chain lightning.

[Lulfas]

My current farming spot is the Revenants near the anvil for Hodir daily quests. You can get about 600 gold an hour farming them, depending on how many people are there at a time. Money comes from Hodir rep turn ins and grey trash (every mob drops a piece).

[Parkbandit]

BWL is my favorite raid instance.

[Tea & Strumpets]

BWL is my favorite raid instance.

I wish you were there now.

Also, FU Some Rogue.

[Methais]

My current farming spot is the Revenants near the anvil for Hodir daily quests. You can get about 600 gold an hour farming them, depending on how many people are there at a time. Money comes from Hodir rep turn ins and grey trash (every mob drops a piece).

Are you talking about selling the relics on the auction house I'm guessing? Cause turning them in only gives rep and no gold.

Relics go for about 2-3g and eternal fires about 15g on my server. I don't see how you're pulling in 600g an hour. I tried out that spot last night and the drops were plentiful, but doesn't seem to be anywhere near 600g an hour.

[Parkbandit]

I wish you were there now.

Also, FU Some Rogue.

Someone's still sore because Algore called him out for being one of the WORST KITERS IN WOW FUCKING HISTORY. FUCK DAR, CAN'T YOU JUST WALK IN A FUCKING CIRCLE AND DROP YOUR FUCKING TOTEM WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO!?!!!?!?!!<Noine1ijdnawpihqwedocvjinweujcnwqeojicnweoinwefoin fweo[uiefnweoinf''

Matray just left the guild.

[AnticorRifling]

Dar was going to retort instead he just disco'd mid kite.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Dar was going to retort instead he just disco'd mid kite.

There are many legends surrounding Dar, and historians have often found it difficult to separate fact from fiction.

[Nieninque]

This thread is gold. Long live this thread.

[AestheticDeath]

yeah real fun- btw, EJ suggests rune strikeing for DK dpsers...


Now my favourite part.

You want DPS DK's to use Runic Strike? You want a DK doing DPS to interupt their rotation to use RS? You want a DK doing DPS to use their highest threat generating ability save for taunt on a boss? Finally you want a DK doing DPS to use an ability which can only be used IF THEY THEMSELVES DODGE OR PARRY despite the fact the are not getting attacked?

What the fuck are you on???


Rune Strike with any ability
#showtooltip WhateverAbility
/cast !Rune Strike
/cast WhateverAbility

[Nieninque]

Clearly there have been no changes to the game in general and to DKs in particular in the last 17 months that would render your statement in general and you in particular, retarded.

[g++]

I always knew if I attacked Dachow while we were doing bosses he would do better dps. Now thanks to AD we have proof.

Nevermind...I actually looked into it....

By Astarix (http://www.wowhead.com/user=Astarix) 16 days ago (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=56815#comments:id=1145891) (Patch 4.0.1)
Rune Strike can activate Runic Empowerment a core DK ability now to have a 45% chance to refresh a depleted Rune.

Due to the lower avoidance in 4.0.1 with removal of things like defense rating and talents relating to + Dodge/Parry, Rune Strike isn't available as much. This is a great concern for tanks as it is a major threat ability, so Blizzard have indicated that it will be changed to become usable anytime while in Blood Presence but the RP cost will increase. This will be a great improvement for tanking if it makes it to live.


It only works on Beta

[Liagala]

Clearly there have been no changes to the game in general and to DKs in particular in the last 17 months that would render your statement in general and you in particular, retarded.


Blizzard have indicated that it will be changed to become usable anytime while in Blood Presence but the RP cost will increase. This will be a great improvement for tanking if it makes it to live.

Nope. No changes. AD is clearly as superior in his DK dps skills as he is in reading comprehension. Hey AD, do you post on EJ the way you do here?

[g++]

Well I think what he read was DK's discussing the affect to dps working ruin strike into you're rotation would be once the changes being chatted about on beta go live. I cant imagine they were seriously discussing using rune strike currently. So you just dodged or parried an attack from a boss...I think the least of your concerns is a slight increase in dps before you die. Especially when that increase is a high threat ability lol.

[AnticorRifling]

HAHAHAHA holy fuck you are retarded.

[AestheticDeath]

Nope. No changes. AD is clearly as superior in his DK dps skills as he is in reading comprehension. Hey AD, do you post on EJ the way you do here?

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

[Parkbandit]

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

Wait... you posted something really stupid.. got called out for it.. and your response is this?

That's hilarious.. and I'll put money on Dora over you anyday.

[AnticorRifling]

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD WUT NOW?!!

PB beat me too it but yeah that's all flavors of derp and lol.

[g++]

Welps at dawn gentleman. Good luck and god bless your soul.

[Liagala]

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

L. O. L. That's really all I can say about this.

[Nieninque]

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[AnticorRifling]

I actually went back and read this thread from the start for some memory lane luls. AD you're still a mouth breather.

[g++]

wow who told ghost crawler I was leveling a warlock

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[Alfster]

I bet I out DPS you. What now?

Ooooo, do I get to play this game too?

I bet I can out dps you by at least 5k.

[AnticorRifling]

My current screenshot is 72k DPS on trash. You wanna touch it?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My current screenshot is 72k DPS on trash. You wanna touch it?

LOL. I've seen 90k on the trash before Sindragosa.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

yeah real fun- btw, EJ suggests rune strikeing for DK dpsers...




Rune Strike with any ability
#showtooltip WhateverAbility
/cast !Rune Strike
/cast WhateverAbility

I believe it was noted earlier, but you realize that post was from like mid 2009? Just saying...

[AnticorRifling]

LOL. I've seen 90k on the trash before Sindragosa.

Yeah that trash is awesome, only problem is pulling aggro and dying, or sitting around and letting the tanks have a chance to get aggro.....

[AnticorRifling]

I believe it was noted earlier, but you realize that post was from like mid 2009? Just saying...

Of course he knows! You're obviously too dumb to follow along or you can't grasp what AD is trying to say. When it comes to WoW AD knows all even though he's asking questions about stupid shit and giving examples of being a paste eater.


Please adjust your posts in this thread accordingly.

[AestheticDeath]

Wait... you posted something really stupid.. got called out for it.. and your response is this?

That's hilarious.. and I'll put money on Dora over you anyday.

Perhaps in your old age, you missed what I was responding to with that post.
Nevertheless before the 4.0 patchs I know I out DPSed her, bosses or trash. Since the patchs, I haven't kept up with pally shit, but barring some OP ability that gets nerfed, I am sure I still do better.


Ooooo, do I get to play this game too?

I bet I can out dps you by at least 5k.

Sure whatever. But I would be surprised if you couldn't out DPS me as a mage in better gear. Hope your fire atm though.

And 72k isn't much if your talking Sindy trash. Although I will give you props for being a DK, and not one of the other one button wonders for AOE.

[AestheticDeath]

I believe it was noted earlier, but you realize that post was from like mid 2009? Just saying...

Wait what? I guess I didn't see it earlier. Perhaps everyone who pointed it out should go back to the thread and re-read it.

[g++]

Sure whatever. But I would be surprised if you couldn't out DPS me as a mage in better gear. Hope your fire atm though.


Me too. Alfster is way better than you.

[Parkbandit]

Perhaps in your old age, you missed what I was responding to with that post.
Nevertheless before the 4.0 patchs I know I out DPSed her, bosses or trash. Since the patchs, I haven't kept up with pally shit, but barring some OP ability that gets nerfed, I am sure I still do better.

It was a stupid post, by a stupid person. What else would everyone expect out of you in this topic though?

And you know you out DPS her.. because you've been to a raid with her?

Oh, right.. you have as much insight into this as everything else WoW related.

[AnticorRifling]

...and not one of the other one button wonders for AOE.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Really? Because DK is sooooo tough.

[AnticorRifling]

Also 72k was my last screenshot I don't think it's record breaking. Toss up your numbers!

[g++]

Dude he doesnt raid because his computer is broken. Dont you pay attention? Hes the best dps in the world except that he cant raid. It must be torturous for him to put up with our insolence while he continues to be unable to EVER down the final boss of a raid instance before new content allows him to outgear it...EVER.....Especially given that he is clearly the best dps here.

[Nieninque]

I cant use this as my avatar any more since Kranar Zimzumed the avatar settings, so I figure this is as appropriate as any place to put this:

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/Auwyn/typing.gif

[Nieninque]

Although sigs work :)

[AestheticDeath]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Really? Because DK is sooooo tough.
Didn't say it was tough, but it is actually a sequence of casts, and it requires ramp up time to get max dps. You don't just press a button and get instant satisfaction. DPS I used to run with was good enough that sindy trash died before I got close to finishing the ramp up.

Also 72k was my last screenshot I don't think it's record breaking. Toss up your numbers!
I have all of 3 screenshots atm, and none are about DPS. As g++ tries to allude to below, I did have to reformat recently and lost everything.


Dude he doesnt raid because his computer is broken. Dont you pay attention? Hes the best dps in the world except that he cant raid. It must be torturous for him to put up with our insolence while he continues to be unable to EVER down the final boss of a raid instance before new content allows him to outgear it...EVER.....Especially given that he is clearly the best dps here.
It isn't broken, just can't use microphone anymore. And don't put words in my mouth, I never said I was the best. As to alfster being better than me, I am sure he is much better than you as well. Anyone else you would like to say is better than me? I'm sure they beat you too. Must get you off being able to say someone else can beat me. - Also you seem to want to make it sound like I sucked at every raid instance there is. ICC is my first and only for all basic intent. I was around for the end of TOC, and I downed him fairly quickly. But yes, TOC was easy as fuck, and doesn't count I know.

Alfster are you getting 20kish in ICC right now? Just looked at your gear again, and your not as well geared as I was thinking. Still not bad.

[g++]

Didn't say it was tough, but it is actually a sequence of casts, and it requires ramp up time to get max dps. You don't just press a button and get instant satisfaction. DPS I used to run with was good enough that sindy trash died before I got close to finishing the ramp up.

I have all of 3 screenshots atm, and none are about DPS. As g++ tries to allude to below, I did have to reformat recently and lost everything.


It isn't broken, just can't use microphone anymore. And don't put words in my mouth, I never said I was the best. As to alfster being better than me, I am sure he is much better than you as well. Anyone else you would like to say is better than me? I'm sure they beat you too. Must get you off being able to say someone else can beat me.

Alfster are you getting 20kish in ICC right now? Just looked at your gear again, and your not as well geared as I was thinking. Still not bad.


We all beat you daily buddy. In WoW. In real life.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

IRL my heals are so good they call me Jesus. Or Heysus south of the border.

[AnticorRifling]

It isn't broken, just can't use microphone anymore. And don't put words in my mouth, I never said I was the best. As to alfster being better than me, I am sure he is much better than you as well. Anyone else you would like to say is better than me? I'm sure they beat you too. Must get you off being able to say someone else can beat me. You know he's a holy paladin right?




Also you seem to want to make it sound like I sucked at every raid instance there is. ICC is my first and only for all basic intent. I was around for the end of TOC, and I downed him fairly quickly. But yes, TOC was easy as fuck, and doesn't count I know.

But didn't you say:


Just tried it with my own guy for the first time, and I am sure you guys will be happy to know I personally was able to wipe the raid three times all by myself, between the two wings we did. We didn't complete the spider wing, got stuck on the last boss, where we wiped twice. Only one of those was my fault. First wipe our last man went down with the spider at like 50k health.

And quite frankly I believe I can gear up easier in 5 man ToC than I can in Naxx. Heroic 5man ToC was easier than the complicated shit Naxx involves.

NAXX WAS COMPLICATED BUT ICC IS MY FIRST RAID

[Parkbandit]

The laugh parade continues....

[Liagala]

NAXX WAS COMPLICATED BUT ICC IS MY FIRST RAID

Naxx was complicated when ToC was current content.
...

...

...

yeah

[g++]

You know he's a holy paladin right?


Eh I have the mage.


http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dunemaul&cn=Pjaay

I mean hes my alt, in vanilla tier 10 with awful trinkets wearing wrathful glad filler pieces in lots of spots but he does 10-14k single target which Im happy with for his gear level. Im not the one challenging people to dps fights on a message board either though.

[subzero]

But yes, 90% of Wrath raid content was easy as fuck, and doesn't count I know.


Fixded.

[AestheticDeath]

You guys have reading comprehension issues.


unable to EVER down the final boss of a raid instance before new content allows him to outgear it...EVER....

Naxx doesn't even enter into what I was responding to.

So, derp derp as you like to say - as far as MY character joining a guild, and actively, weekly trying to make progression and down NEW and CURRENT content. ICC is my first and only trial for raiding that counts for anything.

So if you want to count me dinging 80 and taking like a one time trial in Naxx as part of what he was saying, go for it.


Naxx was complicated when ToC was current content.......... yeah

See above, naxx was MORE complicated than a 5 man instance. It is 100% true. And I was new at the time seeing naxx for the first time. Pretty sure you didn't jump into the game and own everything the first time you saw it. Shit, you probably got carried through a lot of things.

[Nieninque]

Shit, you probably got carried through a lot of things.

The Eye Ronny is intoxicating

[Alfster]

As to alfster being better than me, I am sure he is much better than you as well. Anyone else you would like to say is better than me? I'm sure they beat you too. Must get you off being able to say someone else can beat me. - Also you seem to want to make it sound like I sucked at every raid instance there is. ICC is my first and only for all basic intent. I was around for the end of TOC, and I downed him fairly quickly. But yes, TOC was easy as fuck, and doesn't count I know.

Alfster are you getting 20kish in ICC right now? Just looked at your gear again, and your not as well geared as I was thinking. Still not bad.

FYI - he is much better than you. Unfortunately he heals, so his meters aren't the same.

As far as what I'm pulling in ICC right now, I don't really count it. We're only running 10 man's at the moment, and we're unbalanced as fuck. IE - no bloodlust, no true caster buffs, and I'm averaging 15-16k on most fights. (I don't count sindragosa HM for dps, lootship HM, Lady deathwhisperer HM, etc)

So in 25's, or even in 10's with any sort of balance I can safely say i'd pull nearly 20k, but let's be real. Around 16k I'll start pulling threat.

AND ZOMG LAST WEEK I TOTALLY PULLED 35K ON BLOODQUEEN 10 MAN. I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY I PULL 35K DPS IN ICC!

[Alfster]

Oh, and your picture in your sig...

Are you intentionally showing us how bad your UI is so you can use that as an excuse? Or what the fuck?

[Nieninque]

Oh, and your picture in your sig...

Are you intentionally showing us how bad your UI is so you can use that as an excuse? Or what the fuck?

ROFL

[AnticorRifling]

Obviously the only true DPS test is saurfang since all I have to do is stand still and swing....but since I can't use my HB for 1.75 seconds after beasts spawn I could miss procs and my DPS should be adjusted on a scale of my DPS + X where X = whatever number I need to flex my blue veined epenis.

[Kyra231]

Oh, and your picture in your sig...

Are you intentionally showing us how bad your UI is so you can use that as an excuse? Or what the fuck?

Lulz. I wondered the same when I looked at it last night. Hey at least he's good for a laugh, I can always open this thread & get a snicker when he's posting in it.

[Liagala]

Okay, AD. I'm going to try yet again to get something across to you.


Pretty sure you didn't jump into the game and own everything the first time you saw it. Shit, you probably got carried through a lot of things.
You're absolutely correct. I made a lot of idiot mistakes, and I did get carried through some stuff. I also knew I was a retarded noob, and didn't try to raid until I knew what I was doing. I ran 5-mans until I had gear, then read up on the raids before even thinking about going near them. I read several different strategies, waited a while, then went back and read them again, to be sure I understood and would remember. I asked advice, and - I know this part will be tough for you to understand - I actually followed most of that advice. I learned from people who had been there before me and appreciated their help, instead of bulling on ahead my own way.


And I was new at the time seeing naxx for the first time.
When I saw naxx for the first time, I was in ToC gear - because I didn't think I was King Shit and try to raid right off. I took my time, listened to other people's advice, and did things the right way (and it didn't even require twinked-out greys or thousands of gold!!!).

I'll add another note here, but I'm pretty sure you won't really get it. You'll see it as an excuse, and that's fine. As someone a lot smarter than I once said, "The opinions of worthless people are worthless." Anyway, here goes. My DPS isn't always as high as it could be. As a ret paladin, I have fairly helpful healing abilities. I keep an eye on the raid's health, and if I see someone getting low and the healers seem to be overloaded, I heal them. I used to sacrifice an Art of War proc to FoL someone instead of using exorcism. Now I sacrifice a TV to throw out WoG. I've seen 20k crits off of a 3hp WoG. That can definitely be the difference between a close call and a battle rez - which in turn can be the difference between a kill and a wipe. Doing that is a guaranteed DPS loss - but it might still be better for the raid. Sometimes I use DS instead of TV, even when there aren't too many adds around. That does a lot less damage, but it also heals myself and the melee for a decent amount. I watch adds, and if something's raping the ranged or the healers, I try to taunt it. If I can bring it back over to the tank, he can pick it back up again. I pay attention to what's going on around me, and move out of the way, even if that pulls me out of melee range for a few seconds. Sometimes I move too much, or when I don't have to - yes it's a mistake and my DPS suffers, but it beats the hell out of standing in fire because DBM didn't tell me to move. So, yeah. Dachcow usually tops me on the meters, and that's fine. The boss gets dead, we don't, and I know I was more than just a mouth breather being carried along for the ride. (And every now and then, I say to hell with being good, and go all out. Yes, I can still kick his ass in DPS. Hard.)

TL;DR version: You're an idiot. Pull your head out of your ass now and then. Big numbers are not the be-all, end-all of human existence.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I single healed LK after phase 1.5 last night cause the disc priest got hit by a snowball thingie. I kick azz.

[AestheticDeath]

Oh, and your picture in your sig...

Are you intentionally showing us how bad your UI is so you can use that as an excuse? Or what the fuck?

Exactly! Actually it wasn't supposed to stay up, I was testing something.

And as for g++ being better? I doubt it. I healed icc10m last night on my noob pally, and got 10/12 in under two hours. I was top heals on almost every fight - though as tank healer I shouldn't have been. I was having to make up for a lot of the raid heals. We one shotted everything but fester, due to a stupid mistake on the other healers part. And Sindy which we wiped repeatedly on due to another healer DCing almost 80% of the time, and the DPS not running away properly and getting hit by blistering cold.

I had only seen ICC a few times as healer before that(also pre4.0 patch - hence no experience with the changes.), and yet everyone stayed alive until they made a stupid mistake that got them one shotted. Can't heal that.

And before someone tries to make the claim about how easy it is to heal overgeared people. None of them were in awesome gear. The top geared guy was about half 251 and half 264, no heroics. Most of the rest were geared fairly normal for the 10m, and had a lot of upgrades from the run.

IMO meters don't count as much for healers, all that really counts is everyone being alive at the end. And Lia... None of the dps had to heal for me either. Either you have fail healers, or you are over reacting to things you shouldn't. WoG vs TV is a huge dps loss as far as I know. If you somehow saved the day with a timely WoG, grats, but find a better healer next time.

And yes, I bought most of my paladins healing gear, BoE's and a few badge pieces. Beyond 5 mans, I damn near just jumped into it. Easiest thing so far, dps and tank is more involved IMO.

And alfster, you need to find better tanks, there are mages on my CRAP server, getting 20-22k on heroics, and they aren't pulling threat - much less at 16k which damn near everyone pulls now. So, until your pulling 20k+ consistently your not doing at 5k more than I am. And mages almost always get skewed with more DPS than overall dmg done anyways.

[RichardCranium]

And Sindy which we wiped repeatedly on due to another healer DCing almost 80% of the time, and the DPS not running away properly and getting hit by blistering cold.

Did you suggest to them that they install DBM so they know when to move?

[Some Rogue]

Did you all turn off the 30% buff and go back to pre 4.0.1 mechanics too you fucking dolt?

[g++]

Yah I mean Salv has been 10/12 HM 25 man for months and I have been in a serious raiding guild all of a month of ICC but gratz on joining a pug and managing to not get kicked out. I guess I should really be extending the congrats to the raid leader for putting up with a douchy whining passive aggressive cunt for over an hour though. Its more his achievement.

[RichardCranium]

Yah I mean Salv has been 10/12 HM 25 man for months and I have been in a serious raiding guild all of a month of ICC but gratz on joining a pug and managing to not get kicked out. I guess I should really be extending the congrats to the raid leader for putting up with a douchy whining passive aggressive cunt for over an hour though. Its more his achievement.

Lol that really should be an achievement if you think about it.

[Methais]

Lol that really should be an achievement if you think about it.

Someone needs to photoshop one up.

[AestheticDeath]

Yah I mean Salv has been 10/12 HM 25 man for months and I have been in a serious raiding guild all of a month of ICC but gratz on joining a pug and managing to not get kicked out. I guess I should really be extending the congrats to the raid leader for putting up with a douchy whining passive aggressive cunt for over an hour though. Its more his achievement.

I was 9/12 Heroic before I quit raiding on Torand. And that was 2-3 months ago?

[Liagala]

Someone needs to photoshop one up.

http://worldofwarcraft.mmocluster.com/achievements

[AestheticDeath]

Did you all turn off the 30% buff and go back to pre 4.0.1 mechanics too you fucking dolt?

You say that like it means something. No one here turns off the buff. No one here would be doing higher DPS like they surely are with the new changes. Excepting possibly a couple classes and specs. Were ANY of you doing 20k DPS like Alfster is claiming before 4.0? I'd be very surprised.

I was a better healer pre 4.0 - less spells to worry about, better beacon, better mana regen etc. The fact that I was relearning shit for the first time since the patch - barring VOA once - means I will be doing even better the more I raid and relearn how to play the guy.

[Liagala]

You say that like it means something.
I'm pretty sure Rennoc was referring to the fact that when we were doing this, the tanks' health pools were 30% smaller than they are now and heals were 30% smaller than they are now... yet boss damage was exactly the same. I'd say that means something. WHAT NOW??

[g++]

I was 9/12 Heroic before I quit raiding on Torand. And that was 2-3 months ago?

Gratz go make a thread to find out if 9 is greater than 10.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm 1/12 HICC25 :(

I love my guild, but wish we had more than 10-15 competent raiders so we could regularly hit 25m. I'm only 10/12 HICC10, but we plan on finishing it for the mount before 12/7. We'd fucking better!

[Alfster]

I healed icc10m last night on my noob pally, and got 10/12 in under two hours. We one shotted everything but fester, due to a stupid mistake on the other healers part.

Oh really? Fail due to healers and clearly it's nothing to do with you. You're so fucking retarded it hurts.



And before someone tries to make the claim about how easy it is to heal overgeared people. None of them were in awesome gear. The top geared guy was about half 251 and half 264, no heroics. Most of the rest were geared fairly normal for the 10m, and had a lot of upgrades from the run.

Actually the claim is that with the 30% buff, it's fucking easy to heal ANYONE in there. You're such a faggot, it's almost unreal.




IMO meters don't count as much for healers, all that really counts is everyone being alive at the end.

See first post you made about fail healers not healing the raid. Faggot.




And alfster, you need to find better tanks, there are mages on my CRAP server, getting 20-22k on heroics, and they aren't pulling threat - much less at 16k which damn near everyone pulls now. So, until your pulling 20k+ consistently your not doing at 5k more than I am. And mages almost always get skewed with more DPS than overall dmg done anyways.

As for this quote, you're a giant faggot that has issues with reading comprehension. I'm pulling 15-16k because I have ZERO ranged buffs. I should have clarified a bit for you. The tanks I run with suck. We're running 10 mans, gearing up people's alts (you know, the characters they're going to level in cataclysm). In 25 mans, I can assure you I'd be 20K+, which would be 5k more than you.

I honestly don't really care to argue with you over this. My point is you're a faggot that is terrible at wow. I think that this is something that the collective people from the PC can all agree with.

[Alfster]

I was 9/12 Heroic before I quit raiding on Torand. And that was 2-3 months ago?

Okay. Now this actually is inaccurate. You can't actually say you're anything heroic until you've managed to unlock heroic.

What your quote should say is, "I was carried through 9/12 heroic and have yet to kill the LK, even though I"ve managed to die early enough during Sindragosa for the rest of the raid to down her, 4 times."

Your statistics scream of a terrible player.

ICC 25 man statistics for Torand

28 x Lord Marrowgar
32 x Lady Deathwhisper
27 x Gunship Battle
29 x Deathbringer
15 x Festergut
12 x Rotface
5 x Blood Prince Council
4 x Valithria Dreamwalker
6 x Professor Putricide
2 x Blood Queen Lana'thel
4 x Sindragosa
0 x Lich King


You've spent 32 fucking weeks in ICC and have yet to kill the LK? Seriously? What's holding you back? Is it the "bad healers"? Because those stats right there are hilarious. You obviously don't give up, that's for sure.

Oh, and for your heroic claims. Haha.
3 x Lord Marrowgar
1 x Lady Deathwhisper
6 x Gunship Battle
1 x Deathbringer
4 x Festergut
3 x Rotface
4 x Blood Prince Council
4 x Valithria Dreamwalker
0 x Professor Putricide
4 x Blood Queen Lana'thel
0 x Sindragosa
0 x Lich King

Again, carried to two achievements. Please tell me how much you paid for those achievements in heroicICC.