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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I was looking at world of logs and there are few people on boss fights consistently hitting 20K. Just saying...

WOL also says only 7% of attempts on LK are successful, ouch.

[Alfster]

And the majority of those are mages :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yep, nearly all of them are. Mages are OP man, nerf em! ;p

[g++]

Yep, nearly all of them are. Mages are OP man, nerf em! ;p

I think the main problem is crit is at an all time high right now from gear which makes fire over powered. When mages get to level 85 alot of the mages in heroic gear will actually see their dps decrease or at least not get much higher because at 85 they will need like 4x more crit to get the same amount of hot streaks.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We have a lock in our guild who has two sets of gear, depending on his mood. They are both just about the same pieces, but one he's chanted and gemed for pure crit, the other pure haste I think. He says he uses the crit if he wants to see lots of big numbers, and haste to see get more spells out. I think he just has content boredom so made two sets, personally, but it's kind of cool. I don't recall which does more, but he's pretty effective and I think he switches them up depending on if the fight has lots of movement or he can stand still and burn.

Not related really, but I still think a LK 10 man raid of two tanks, three priests (disc, holy and shadow who shields/vamps) and 5 locks would be an easy kill. Only time it would be scary would be if one of the straight healers got grabbed by a val'kyr. Yes, I get bored on the LK fight and think of wierd shit.

[g++]

We have a lock in our guild who has two sets of gear, depending on his mood. They are both just about the same pieces, but one he's chanted and gemed for pure crit, the other pure haste I think. He says he uses the crit if he wants to see lots of big numbers, and haste to see get more spells out. I think he just has content boredom so made two sets, personally, but it's kind of cool. I don't recall which does more, but he's pretty effective and I think he switches them up depending on if the fight has lots of movement or he can stand still and burn.

Not related really, but I still think a LK 10 man raid of two tanks, three priests (disc, holy and shadow who shields/vamps) and 5 locks would be an easy kill. Only time it would be scary would be if one of the straight healers got grabbed by a val'kyr. Yes, I get bored on the LK fight and think of wierd shit.

Not that I have raided as a lock but from what I have read trying to learn to play mine most of the heavy hitters say haste is better for destro even over the soft cap of 1200. Even for fire mages haste is better until you get to the 35%-40% range of crit.

Theres a point where fire is a dps loss and a point where its an increase depending on the amount of crit you have. Its just the nature of hot streak being a proc based on your crit chance times your crit chance that makes critical strike basically double dip for fire mages once you get over 50% raid buffed, which isnt too hard to do.

.25*.25 = 6% chance of hot streak
.35*.35 = 12% chance of hot streak + 6% << Haste is better
.45*.45 = 20% chance of hot streak + 8%
.55*.55 = 30% chance of hot streak + 10% <<Crit is better
.65*.65 = 42% chance of hot streak + 12%
.75*.75 = 56% chance of hot streak + 14%
.85*.85 = 72% chance of hot streak + 16%

[AestheticDeath]

I'm pretty sure Rennoc was referring to the fact that when we were doing this, the tanks' health pools were 30% smaller than they are now and heals were 30% smaller than they are now... yet boss damage was exactly the same. I'd say that means something. WHAT NOW??

I would say your a fucking lunatic if you claim you guys got everything down before the buffs were in.

Gratz go make a thread to find out if 9 is greater than 10.

Oh no! You got one more kill than me, your also on a larger server with more decent guilds to pull from.


Oh really? Fail due to healers and clearly it's nothing to do with you. You're so fucking retarded it hurts.

due to a stupid mistake on the other healers part

Actually the claim is that with the 30% buff, it's fucking easy to heal ANYONE in there. You're such a faggot, it's almost unreal.


this is your new claim - but i can prove its not so easy that anyone can do it because i have seen plenty of other healers fail- Faggot.

See first post you made about fail healers not healing the raid. Faggot.

how bout you learn2read? Faggot.


As for this quote, you're a giant faggot that has issues with reading comprehension. I'm pulling 15-16k because I have ZERO ranged buffs. I should have clarified a bit for you. The tanks I run with suck. We're running 10 mans, gearing up people's alts (you know, the characters they're going to level in cataclysm). In 25 mans, I can assure you I'd be 20K+, which would be 5k more than you.

I'm sorry to say, but ranged buffs don't up your DPS by 5-7k. Giant Faggot boy.
I honestly don't really care to argue with you over this. My point is you're a faggot that is terrible at wow. I think that this is something that the collective people from the PC can all agree with.


As for your idiocy on my # of kills per boss. Perhaps you missed the part where I was guildless for a long time, and pugging about a third of my runs. And perhaps you missed the part where I started ICC before all the wings were open. So I got more kills per wing, the earlier it came out. Common sense if you had enough brains to think about it.

And just because I didn't get to see LK in my first guild, and joined in on another guild that was already doing heroics, doesn't mean my 'few' heroic kills don't count for anything. I was dead for one Sindy kill.

And in case you haven't noticed, it takes a lot of time to get through 11 bosses. Normally 2 days for any guild I have been in. Which is about how many days they put in per week. I have seen the LK twice. For about 20 minutes a piece.

And if I was buying my kills or achieves, I would actually have LK kills don't you think? I could have easily bought 10 or 25m kills from Icon when they were selling them.

I was looking at world of logs and there are few people on boss fights consistently hitting 20K. Just saying...

WOL also says only 7% of attempts on LK are successful, ouch.
Exactly - and the few I know of are all 277 geared. Alfster is not close to that in gear. And he isn't fire spec, which I take to be the better one atm. So if he wants me to believe his BS, he will need to go find a log of it.

[g++]

Gratz Torand Light of Dawn. Apparently if you make enough exuses its as good as actually doing something. Seriously you win. Your pro, runestrike is a huge dps boost and deadly boss mods plays the game for you. I bow to your WoW knowledge please post a guide.

EDIT : LOL @ Alfster proving anything to you. Everyone on this board except you has raided with Alfster. Do you honestly think any of us give a fuck what you think?

[Alfster]

I figured here's a great place for me to show AD exactly how easy it is to heal heroic icc10.

Now, here's a link you should check out AD. It's my druid. Mostly unenchanted/ungemmed, etc. Overall, a bad really. Don't even look at the spec, it's god awful.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&cn=Alfue

Now. Notice the level 80 date? It's 11/4/10.

Healing heroic ICC10, 6 days after hitting 80, I was healing heroic ICC10. Overall about 3ish hours spread out over two days, with minimal wipes. I think we wiped once on Saurfang, 3-4 on PP, and once on Sindragosa.

I was attempting to heal heroic LK before they finally broke down and replaced me. Dude. Healing is fucking retardedly easy with the 30% buff. I have the same number of "heroic" kills as you do for some bosses, and I was clearly carried. Much like you were. The difference? I knew I was being carried. You thought you were helping.


As for your idiocy on my # of kills per boss. Perhaps you missed the part where I was guildless for a long time, and pugging about a third of my runs. And perhaps you missed the part where I started ICC before all the wings were open. So I got more kills per wing, the earlier it came out. Common sense if you had enough brains to think about it.

How does your reasoning even matter? You've spent 32 weeks in ICC and have yet to kill one of the bosses in there on REGULAR MODE. I'd even say regular LK is easier than both PP and Sindragosa hard modes. Also - I think it's safe to say most of us started before all of the wings were open. That still doesn't change the fact that you've spent 32 weeks in there with nothing to show for it.


And just because I didn't get to see LK in my first guild, and joined in on another guild that was already doing heroics, doesn't mean my 'few' heroic kills don't count for anything. I was dead for one Sindy kill.
I'm stating that they don't count for anything because you're not really ANYTHING heroic. You've yet to kill one regular mode boss, who happens to be the one that UNLOCKS heroics. You can't say, "hey guys, I'm 10/12 heroic, but for some fucked up reason, I still don't have my Kingslayer title." A good rule of thumb is, if you're unable to actually switch the instance to heroic, then you can't claim you're 1/12 heroic, or 4/12, or 10/12 heroic.

I don't get how if they're doing heroics, they're not killing the LK again? Is it hard? Your overall stats look to me like you're the guy the guild brings for all the easy bosses, and then replaces you as soon as there's a maneuver which could possibly wipe the raid. Every guild has one of these people. If you're not sure who this guy is, he's probably you. 32 weeks and no LK kill. That's borderline PB bad.




And in case you haven't noticed, it takes a lot of time to get through 11 bosses. Normally 2 days for any guild I have been in. Which is about how many days they put in per week. I have seen the LK twice. For about 20 minutes a piece.

What are you smoking? A lot of time to get to LK? 3-4 hours tops. In 32 weeks you've only seen the LK twice? You're clearly that guy that no one wants to raid with.


And if I was buying my kills or achieves, I would actually have LK kills don't you think? I could have easily bought 10 or 25m kills from Icon when they were selling them.

Good to know you pondered it. You should have.


Exactly - and the few I know of are all 277 geared. Alfster is not close to that in gear. And he isn't fire spec, which I take to be the better one atm. So if he wants me to believe his BS, he will need to go find a log of it.

Clearly my 267 average item level is WAY off from 277.

[AnticorRifling]

If you're serious about a kill you can do a 4 wing clear in about 2 hours with a focused group. Or you can always lock out a raid instance. The problem is once you're at LK you've got to kill him, that's what's going to get AD everytime. Rolling in defile is like runestrike, it helps your DPS.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My guild is no where near as successful as any of the guilds above I'm sure (we primarily run 10 mans, we got 10/12 25 man reg but then summer doldrums killed the guild), and we factor about an hour for the first wing, an hour for plague wing (seriously, plague wing is probably really 30-40 minutes), an hour for blood quarter, and usually an hour for dreamwalker and sindy. Note, these are all regulars, and if it's our progression 10 man team (which it never is because we run alts through to gear them up through dreamwalker), we can do all the way to LK in 3 hours. LK if it's our progression team, is 15 minutes, I think 3 minutes of it's roleplay...

Just my perspective from a mediocre guild on a mediocre realm. Tayvin is my main, and the only reason all my toons aren't KSers is because I always have to heal :(
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=Tayvin
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=abracadavers
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=heimdal
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azjol-Nerub&n=posiblyurdad


In other news;

We facegrinded Heroic Sindy last night for 3 hours. Any special tips? Our makeup was Warrior & Feral tanks, druid heals, disc heals, sham heals, feral kitty dps, mm hunter, destro lock (I think he was destro anyway), shadow priest (ps, there is a glitch when shadow priests get the casting debuff, they can mind flay without getting stacks at all), and warrior dps.

Our feral kitty was getting WAY to much of the debuff and took nearly as much damage from it as the tanks were - he's going to have to adjust his attacks so he can stop before it gets nuts or we'll replace him with a slower attacking toon.

Outside of the kitty, everyone knew where to stand, run, clear debuff etc, and we got her down to 11%. Personally I think the fight is fairly predictable and easy, but we aren't all super serious raiders. Anyway, any tips if you have them, would be appreciated. Probably going to hit it again tonight.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah a cat druid will do poorly on that fight.

[RichardCranium]

Yeah a cat druid will do poorly on that fight.

Pro tip is pro.

[AnticorRifling]

I will runestrike you!

[Nieninque]

Yeah but DBM will tell him to move.

[AestheticDeath]

bark bark bark

You clearly admitted you were carried, so the rest doesn't matter, but. You have no numbers showing where you were on heals or if when you died etc.. So nothing so far says ICC is easy to heal. Unless of course they only had one other healer in there with you. Then I will give you something perhaps, depending on who the other person was. But, at the moment from what I am seeing, druids are getting way higher HPS than paladins. So it is just a bad comparison anyways.

And what kind of gear were your other players using in this heroic ICC 10? I doubt they were as new as your guy.

I was in ICC 10 my first week as pally too, regular. Out of three healers, depending on the fights, and I don't recall which, I was as often first or second in heals as I was third. Not always last just because my guy was new. Healing from what I have seen isn't too much different reg vs heroic, on the fights I have seen. Which is everything but Sindy and LK.

And you have not raided on my server or with my guilds. Excepting Icon, which does as you say, sometimes downing all 12 bosses in one night. None of the other horde guilds go that fast.

EVERY guild, even Icon and Artifice have been having major problems with attendance. Though Icons have only been in the last month or two. Most nights start late. Most nights we have people leave early and we have to spend time looking for replacements. So far all but one of the guilds I was in have breaks. Or people go just afk and we have to wait for them.

I was in Vanquish for a long time, before I quit and they soon after disbanded due to overall attendance issues, especially a lack of tanks. Probably 12 of our 25 man raids didn't make it to the second or third day of raiding. Whatever we got in our first 2~ hours was it.

I was in Divide et Impera for a month or less before the GMs stole the GB and disbanded (this is where I got the majority my H ICC kills). Several of their raids didn't make it to the 2nd or third day.

I was in Zionism after divide, which was mostly old divide players making a new guild. I was in a week or so before I decided they weren't going to make it, and didn't like the new leaders either. Zionism is still having attendance and membership issues as far as I know, pugging several spots weekly. People joining and leaving.

I was in BlackList for about a month before they disbanded, due to attendance issues, a few of the better players leaving, and the guild leader having to quit the game cause of his wife. This was the only guild where I was displaced like a red headed step child as you seem to think is what happens to me all the time. GLs girlfriend would come in an hour or two late and always replace one of the other raiders that was on time. Since they were over loaded on melee dps, she was melee, and I was melee AND i was the newest member, I was normally the one who got displaced. My DPS was pretty much always within the top 6 with these guys, even though most had 3-4 277 pieces, all of them having a 277 weapon, vs my two 251s. They had two or three people with Shadowmourne, and they weren't even more then 3k ahead of me most of the time.


A good amount of the players from Icon left to go get H LK 25m kills before cata hits, since they couldn't down it as they were. A ton of the best players in Envious just got absorbed into Icon to fill those spots, and Envious is as far as I know done raiding heroic ICC.

So out of the top horde guilds on my server, I have been in all the ones which got disbanded. Pretty bad luck. Icon, I will admit I am not good enough to get into. Artifice on down, are all only 9/12 - just like my guy.

Afaik, Icon, Artifice, possibly Zionism, Full Circle and Condemned are probably the only ones even able to down more than gunship on heroic in icc 25m atm. Though I think Full Circle might be gone too! I know their progression stopped a while back. Icon and Artifice are the only ones who down LK on a weekly basis. Most of the others just get him now and then.

You could try and argue that the reason none of the guilds I was in got further than 9/12 is because I was in them I guess. But I could counter and say that Divide got its first and only H lady deathwhisper kill with me in the raid. Kind of hard to do if I sucked so bad. And no I was not dead at the end, or at any point in between.

Your trying to look at a basic listing of achievements to say I have had 32 chances to down LK. I haven't. You say I have been in ICC for 32 weeks, when really I haven't even been there for even an average of 2 days per week. For all you know, from looking at that character sheet, I could have only been in ICC for 32 hours, once per day each week. Obviously not, but you are still making asinine assumptions.


And the websites that list guild achieves etc. My server has 16 guilds that have downed LK, and over 20 which have heroic modes completed as far as they are concerned. As far as the websites count things, I am 9/12. Even if I cannot turn heroic mode on, my character has been through the heroic modes for nine fights, I was not carried. He has the achievements in his logs etc. You can count it however you like, but I will continue to say 9/12 H. Even if I don't have LK down on him, even if I only got the fight down once.

And your avg item lvl vs 277s, yes it is way off. By like 13-15 heroic items. Out of 17.

(PS are you Mcchikn now, or did you server transfer?)


If you're serious about a kill you can do a 4 wing clear in about 2 hours with a focused group. Or you can always lock out a raid instance. The problem is once you're at LK you've got to kill him, that's what's going to get AD everytime. Rolling in defile is like runestrike, it helps your DPS.

I have not been in a guild that extends lockouts. And I have only ever gotten that far that fast in a regular mode, which no one does anymore. None of our 25ms were ever organized enough to go that quickly though really. And heroic modes are what kill a load of time. Everyone wants gear, everyone wants the best gear they can get, which means H mode as much as possible. And we are always trying to progress, which means we wipe for 2 hours sometimes on one boss. Like H 25m deathwhisper and blood princes this week. Blood princes have been downed before, but as always there are always new people who have to learn how the guild does things. Oh and Blood queen - people kept fucking up the bites and berserking.

And the two times I saw the LK fight, it wasn't me fucking up the defile. Though that was the reason we wiped.

[Nieninque]

ROFL

[Methais]

You clearly admitted you were carried, so the rest doesn't matter, but. You have no numbers showing where you were on heals or if when you died etc.. So nothing so far says ICC is easy to heal. Unless of course they only had one other healer in there with you. Then I will give you something perhaps, depending on who the other person was. But, at the moment from what I am seeing, druids are getting way higher HPS than paladins. So it is just a bad comparison anyways.

And what kind of gear were your other players using in this heroic ICC 10? I doubt they were as new as your guy.

I was in ICC 10 my first week as pally too, regular. Out of three healers, depending on the fights, and I don't recall which, I was as often first or second in heals as I was third. Not always last just because my guy was new. Healing from what I have seen isn't too much different reg vs heroic, on the fights I have seen. Which is everything but Sindy and LK.

And you have not raided on my server or with my guilds. Excepting Icon, which does as you say, sometimes downing all 12 bosses in one night. None of the other horde guilds go that fast.

EVERY guild, even Icon and Artifice have been having major problems with attendance. Though Icons have only been in the last month or two. Most nights start late. Most nights we have people leave early and we have to spend time looking for replacements. So far all but one of the guilds I was in have breaks. Or people go just afk and we have to wait for them.

I was in Vanquish for a long time, before I quit and they soon after disbanded due to overall attendance issues, especially a lack of tanks. Probably 12 of our 25 man raids didn't make it to the second or third day of raiding. Whatever we got in our first 2~ hours was it.

I was in Divide et Impera for a month or less before the GMs stole the GB and disbanded (this is where I got the majority my H ICC kills). Several of their raids didn't make it to the 2nd or third day.

I was in Zionism after divide, which was mostly old divide players making a new guild. I was in a week or so before I decided they weren't going to make it, and didn't like the new leaders either. Zionism is still having attendance and membership issues as far as I know, pugging several spots weekly. People joining and leaving.

I was in BlackList for about a month before they disbanded, due to attendance issues, a few of the better players leaving, and the guild leader having to quit the game cause of his wife. This was the only guild where I was displaced like a red headed step child as you seem to think is what happens to me all the time. GLs girlfriend would come in an hour or two late and always replace one of the other raiders that was on time. Since they were over loaded on melee dps, she was melee, and I was melee AND i was the newest member, I was normally the one who got displaced. My DPS was pretty much always within the top 6 with these guys, even though most had 3-4 277 pieces, all of them having a 277 weapon, vs my two 251s. They had two or three people with Shadowmourne, and they weren't even more then 3k ahead of me most of the time.


A good amount of the players from Icon left to go get H LK 25m kills before cata hits, since they couldn't down it as they were. A ton of the best players in Envious just got absorbed into Icon to fill those spots, and Envious is as far as I know done raiding heroic ICC.

So out of the top horde guilds on my server, I have been in all the ones which got disbanded. Pretty bad luck. Icon, I will admit I am not good enough to get into. Artifice on down, are all only 9/12 - just like my guy.

Afaik, Icon, Artifice, possibly Zionism, Full Circle and Condemned are probably the only ones even able to down more than gunship on heroic in icc 25m atm. Though I think Full Circle might be gone too! I know their progression stopped a while back. Icon and Artifice are the only ones who down LK on a weekly basis. Most of the others just get him now and then.

You could try and argue that the reason none of the guilds I was in got further than 9/12 is because I was in them I guess. But I could counter and say that Divide got its first and only H lady deathwhisper kill with me in the raid. Kind of hard to do if I sucked so bad. And no I was not dead at the end, or at any point in between.

Your trying to look at a basic listing of achievements to say I have had 32 chances to down LK. I haven't. You say I have been in ICC for 32 weeks, when really I haven't even been there for even an average of 2 days per week. For all you know, from looking at that character sheet, I could have only been in ICC for 32 hours, once per day each week. Obviously not, but you are still making asinine assumptions.


And the websites that list guild achieves etc. My server has 16 guilds that have downed LK, and over 20 which have heroic modes completed as far as they are concerned. As far as the websites count things, I am 9/12. Even if I cannot turn heroic mode on, my character has been through the heroic modes for nine fights, I was not carried. He has the achievements in his logs etc. You can count it however you like, but I will continue to say 9/12 H. Even if I don't have LK down on him, even if I only got the fight down once.

And your avg item lvl vs 277s, yes it is way off. By like 13-15 heroic items. Out of 17.

(PS are you Mcchikn now, or did you server transfer?)



I have not been in a guild that extends lockouts. And I have only ever gotten that far that fast in a regular mode, which no one does anymore. None of our 25ms were ever organized enough to go that quickly though really. And heroic modes are what kill a load of time. Everyone wants gear, everyone wants the best gear they can get, which means H mode as much as possible. And we are always trying to progress, which means we wipe for 2 hours sometimes on one boss. Like H 25m deathwhisper and blood princes this week. Blood princes have been downed before, but as always there are always new people who have to learn how the guild does things. Oh and Blood queen - people kept fucking up the bites and berserking.

And the two times I saw the LK fight, it wasn't me fucking up the defile. Though that was the reason we wiped.

You're trying awfully hard.

[g++]

I was in ICC 10 my first week as pally too, regular. Out of three healers, depending on the fights, and I don't recall which, I was as often first or second in heals as I was third. Not always last just because my guy was new. Healing from what I have seen isn't too much different reg vs heroic, on the fights I have seen. Which is everything but Sindy and LK.




So true AD. Healing hard modes is exactly the same as normal modes. In fact I remember distinctly the first time I healed hard mode saurfang that my meter broke and said 9k hps. When clearly only 2.5k was required. Whenever I heal hard mode blood queen or marrowgar or really any hard mode the same glitch occurs where my healing done is almost double normal mode. Its fucking wacky is what it is. Should really report it to blizzard.

[AestheticDeath]

Didn't say you wouldn't get more HPS. Said it was just about the same. I tend to have less overheals, definitely. I tend to use the same amount of mana and rotation though. But harder? No, not really.

[g++]

Didn't say you wouldn't get more HPS. Said it was just about the same. I tend to have less overheals, definitely. I tend to use the same amount of mana and rotation though. But harder? No, not really.

And when did you heal all these hard modes that posed you no difficulty?

Judging by the fact that we were responding to each other instantly and you then stared at this thread for 10 minutes and logged off. Im going to take that as you have not healed any hard modes and are just guessing what the meter does. Going out drinking have fun buddy.

[Liagala]

You're trying awfully hard.

Methais, I am disappoint. I REALLY expected to scroll through the quote and find your wall of text thing after it. Not seeing it there was a big letdown.

[AestheticDeath]

And when did you heal all these hard modes that posed you no difficulty?

Judging by the fact that we were responding to each other instantly and you then stared at this thread for 10 minutes and logged off. Im going to take that as you have not healed any hard modes and are just guessing what the meter does. Going out drinking have fun buddy.

Hmm, not sure why you think I was staring at the thread for ten minutes after.

But, I have been healing hard modes for the last week. No, not long. But yes, about the same effort as before the hard modes.

I just joined one of the lower tier guilds to make sure I have someone to raid with when Cata hits. Got 6/12 25m hardmode in two nights, skipping lady and professor. Wasn't able to raid most of the latter part of the second night, missed H BQ, reg sindy and dreamwalker, and they got stuck on LK, so when I came back on the third, I was able to finally put in some tries on LK, in 25m. Unfortunately there were too many people who hadn't seen the fight before, or didn't know wtf they were doing. Mostly melee DPS not placing defile right and then getting out. Some was ranged not slowing valks. Tanks were awesome for the most part. Healers were good I suppose, but we had like 7, plus a shadow priest, so it was kinda overkill. When the guild couldn't down the 25m version, 10 of us went for the smaller version and downed him in 5 tries. So it took me maybe 15 realistic views on LK to down him. Though I still claim my heals were fine, and not the reason any of the other attempts failed. You can claim whatever you like.

Was a crappy class comp on the 10m too I think. 3 shamans, 3 warriors, 2 pallies and 2 mages. No battle rezz, no bubbles or rejuv, which are both OP atm apparently, and the only reason I wasn't able to get better then 4th out of 7 healers on the 25m fights.

[AestheticDeath]

Damn, I forgot! I can't wear my kingslayer title yet, since I didn't kill Sindragosa!

Isn't that how it goes Alf?

[Nieninque]

I may be wrong on this, but the only person frantically masturbating to your raid achievements, as lame as they are, is you. No-one else cares, although it is funny seeing the amount of time you dedicate to showing that you are not a complete scrub, as fruitless a pasttime as that is turning out to be.

[Parkbandit]

Hmm, not sure why you think I was staring at the thread for ten minutes after.

But, I have been healing hard modes for the last week. No, not long. But yes, about the same effort as before the hard modes.


So.. except that:

1) they take more damage, extending the fights
2) deal out more damage to tanks, giving healers more to heal
3) deal out more damage to raid, giving healers more to heal

Yea.. hardmodes are exactly like regular modes. But hey.. you've been healing them for a whole week.. maybe you know best.

[Alfster]

Hmm, not sure why you think I was staring at the thread for ten minutes after.

But, I have been healing hard modes for the last week. No, not long. But yes, about the same effort as before the hard modes.

I just joined one of the lower tier guilds to make sure I have someone to raid with when Cata hits. Got 6/12 25m hardmode in two nights, skipping lady and professor. Wasn't able to raid most of the latter part of the second night, missed H BQ, reg sindy and dreamwalker, and they got stuck on LK, so when I came back on the third, I was able to finally put in some tries on LK, in 25m. Unfortunately there were too many people who hadn't seen the fight before, or didn't know wtf they were doing. Mostly melee DPS not placing defile right and then getting out. Some was ranged not slowing valks. Tanks were awesome for the most part. Healers were good I suppose, but we had like 7, plus a shadow priest, so it was kinda overkill. When the guild couldn't down the 25m version, 10 of us went for the smaller version and downed him in 5 tries. So it took me maybe 15 realistic views on LK to down him. Though I still claim my heals were fine, and not the reason any of the other attempts failed. You can claim whatever you like.

Was a crappy class comp on the 10m too I think. 3 shamans, 3 warriors, 2 pallies and 2 mages. No battle rezz, no bubbles or rejuv, which are both OP atm apparently, and the only reason I wasn't able to get better then 4th out of 7 healers on the 25m fights.

Zomg I'm gonna need to see an armory link and a WOL parse to believe your healing stories.




Unfortunately there were too many people who hadn't seen the fight before, or didn't know wtf they were doing. Mostly melee DPS not placing defile right and then getting out. Some was ranged not slowing valks. Tanks were awesome for the most part.

Um, you're doing it wrong. You don't have your melee and tanks slow and stun them?

[AnticorRifling]

I heard death knights have an ability that can slow things down from a distance. I belive it has the ability to be spammed (the act of using the same ability at a high rate over and over, reference moonfire[druid ability]). It might also be possible (I'd actually have to check and see if that talent still exists since the patch which makes this troll less effective) to have it's rune cost removed, thus increasing it's spammification, with specific training for encounters where this would be a boon to the rest of the raid.

[Alfster]

And when did you heal all these hard modes that posed you no difficulty?

Judging by the fact that we were responding to each other instantly and you then stared at this thread for 10 minutes and logged off. Im going to take that as you have not healed any hard modes and are just guessing what the meter does. Going out drinking have fun buddy.

LOL. I found his pally through his application to <Icon>

Here's his hardmode healing.

25 man

1 x Lord Marrowgar
0 x Lady Deathwhisper
4 x Gunship Battle
1 x Deathbringer
1 x Festergut
1 x Rotface
1 x Blood Prince Council
0 x Valithria Dreamwalker
0 x Professor Putricide
0 x Blood Queen Lana'thel
0 x Sindragosa
0 x Lich King

10 man


0 x Lord Marrowgar
0 x Lady Deathwhisper
1 x Gunship Battle
0 x Deathbringer
0 x Festergut
0 x Rotface
0 x Blood Prince Council
0 x Valithria Dreamwalker
0 x Professor Putricide
0 x Blood Queen Lana'thel
0 x Sindragosa
0 x Lich King


So, apparently his extensive hardmode healing came from....LOOTSHIP.

Hahaha, what a douchebag.

http://www.wow-heroes.com/index.php?zone=us&server=Shadowsong&name=%C3%90evellaro

[g++]

Heh if you look at his armory all his HM kills except lootship and marrowgar 25 man came after he posted his insights on healing hard modes. So at the time he posted he had healed Marrowgar and lootship hard mode. I mean I honestly dont care if he wants to think healing hard modes is easy let him. Cata will come out the guild leader will expect you to keep a tank up and you will do some stupid ass rotation you think tops a meter and that will be that.

[AnticorRifling]

Alfster copy and paste some AD awesome from here to Icon's boards. See how long he stays guilded.

[Alfster]

He got declined.

Haha.

Edit: Working on it for his new guild, <Condemned>

[AnticorRifling]

Lol out of game wow guild griefing. I love the interwebs.

[Alfster]

There's a couple shitastic healers from my old guild that I can't help but post their awesomeness on their new guilds sites.

Might as well add AD to that list.

Edit. Would be so much win to get a comment from someone in his new guild.

[AnticorRifling]

Random WoW moment. Last night in trade chat they were talking about the invasions going on in the major cities. Someone said "You guys ever play GemStone 3? Those invasions were awesome". He wasn't anyone I'd ever heard of but it was very random.

[Some Rogue]

I think Salv ran into some guy in a random the other day that used to play GS too.

[g++]

Yah I dont remember his name think he was from scarlet crusader. His guild name was like gemstone platinium or something heh.

[Back]

I think Salv ran into some guy in a random the other day that used to play GS too.

Your sig looks like my balls.

[Some Rogue]

You have an old Asian man between your legs?

I'm not surprised.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There's a healing rotation? I thought it was priority based... what's the rotations for druid, priest, paladin and shaman? I've one of each as a healer and have healed all 12 bosses in ICC 10 man with each successfully. I'd love to get better!

Edit: Oops, no I haven't. My shaman needs LK, and my pali needs frostwing and LK. I never get to play them because they always want my priest or my druid.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And we are still in the cheesegrater on Heroic Sindy! We got her to 12% our best try last night but we only got in 3 attempts before everyone was all "OOOOOOOOH, CATA instances! gotta run" and bailed.

Dum dums.

Edit: I just realized, I forgot to mention we only had 9 on the 12% attempt. No one wants to raid anymore and ALL I want is three more achievements for my mount!

All you can eat
Heroic Frostwing Halls (just need Sindy)
Been waiting a long time for this

[g++]

Didn't say you wouldn't get more HPS. Said it was just about the same. I tend to have less overheals, definitely. I tend to use the same amount of mana and rotation though. But harder? No, not really.


There isnt a rotation really some people seem to think there is though.

[AnticorRifling]

Don't use what he says as examples of him beind dumb, that's not fair. You know he's just going to say...well that was a long time ago and Naxx wasn't new but it was new to me and I was wiping raids but it wasn't new but I was new when it wasn't new because my first raid wasn't a raid but Naxx.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I know I was being sarcastic :( I fail

[AestheticDeath]

For paladins, raid healing there isn't a rotation, but if I am assigned to heal a tank and only the tank, yes there is a rotation. Lookitup.

[g++]

For paladins, raid healing there isn't a rotation, but if I am assigned to heal a tank and only the tank, yes there is a rotation. Lookitup.

You are never assigned to heal only a tank. If someone puts you on a tank it means hes your responsibility and you focus on him. It does not mean you ignore everyone else. If your holy shock over healing the same target 3 times then WOG overhealing him and spamming on him all over healing the same tank your pretty much playing exactly the way I expected you would approach it and will epically fail the second you hit challenging content.

[AestheticDeath]

I heard death knights have an ability that can slow things down from a distance. I belive it has the ability to be spammed (the act of using the same ability at a high rate over and over, reference moonfire[druid ability]). It might also be possible (I'd actually have to check and see if that talent still exists since the patch which makes this troll less effective) to have it's rune cost removed, thus increasing it's spammification, with specific training for encounters where this would be a boon to the rest of the raid.

I heard I wasn't playing a DK anymore.

[AnticorRifling]

Thank God.

[AestheticDeath]

Heh if you look at his armory all his HM kills except lootship and marrowgar 25 man came after he posted his insights on healing hard modes. So at the time he posted he had healed Marrowgar and lootship hard mode. I mean I honestly dont care if he wants to think healing hard modes is easy let him. Cata will come out the guild leader will expect you to keep a tank up and you will do some stupid ass rotation you think tops a meter and that will be that.

Learn2read. I never claimed healing heroic ICC before the 12th. My heroic kills, not counting gunship, came on the 10th.

And I never claimed extensive knowledge, I made a comment about hard modes not being much harder than normal modes to heal. All it takes is seeing one encounter of each to compare them.

[g++]

Learn2read. I never claimed healing heroic ICC before the 12th. My heroic kills, not counting gunship, came on the 10th.

And I never claimed extensive knowledge, I made a comment about hard modes not being much harder than normal modes to heal. All it takes is seeing one encounter of each to compare them.

I dont give a shit. Honestly at this point its far beyond WoW. I wish you the best of luck in WoW and hope you die of cancer in real life. Seriously.

[AestheticDeath]

You are never assigned to heal only a tank. If someone puts you on a tank it means hes your responsibility and you focus on him. It does not mean you ignore everyone else. If your holy shock over healing the same target 3 times then WOG overhealing him and spamming on him all over healing the same tank your pretty much playing exactly the way I expected you would approach it and will epically fail the second you hit challenging content.

YOU may not have ever been assigned that but I have been. I was healing my tank and the raid when the other healers weren't cutting it, and they asked if I was concentrating on the tank, and I said I was helping out, and they told me to fuck off and heal the tank only. If a non tank dies it is the other healers fault, not mine etc.. Was only one raid leader so far that asked for it, but whatever.

And if your spamming only holy shock and WOG, you fail.

[g++]

YOU may not have ever been assigned that but I have been. I was healing my tank and the raid when the other healers weren't cutting it, and they asked if I was concentrating on the tank, and I said I was helping out, and they told me to fuck off and heal the tank only. If a non tank dies it is the other healers fault, not mine etc.. Was only one raid leader so far that asked for it, but whatever.

And if your spamming only holy shock and WOG, you fail.


Your raid and you are terrible.

[AestheticDeath]

So.. except that:

1) they take more damage, extending the fights
2) deal out more damage to tanks, giving healers more to heal
3) deal out more damage to raid, giving healers more to heal

Yea.. hardmodes are exactly like regular modes. But hey.. you've been healing them for a whole week.. maybe you know best.

Man you guys try so hard to read too far into what I say. Of course numbers are larger, and sometimes encounters are longer. Doesn't mean its twice as hard. They are damn near the same for me as a healer.

As melee DPS sure, moving more often, watching out for more shit coming after you etc.

[AestheticDeath]

Your raid and you are terrible.

Har har, I'm not with them anymore anyways.

[g++]

Lucky them. Maybe they got a holy paladin that can keep more than one person alive at a time.

[AestheticDeath]

oh Burn! I already do.

[Liagala]

I was healing my tank and the raid when the other healers weren't cutting it, and they asked if I was concentrating on the tank, and I said I was helping out, and they told me to fuck off and heal the tank only. If a non tank dies it is the other healers fault, not mine etc...

Good God, there's an entire guild full of ADs. Which server is this, so that I know to NEVER transfer there?

Edit: WTF is this about a healer rotation? Since when do healers have rotations? I always thought we were supposed to use whichever spell is appropriate to the current situation. The only rotation-ish thing I can think of for holy paladins is using HS for the speed buff on other casts and the holy power.

[g++]

YOU may not have ever been assigned that but I have been. I was healing my tank and the raid when the other healers weren't cutting it, and they asked if I was concentrating on the tank, and I said I was helping out, and they told me to fuck off and heal the tank only. If a non tank dies it is the other healers fault, not mine etc.. Was only one raid leader so far that asked for it, but whatever.

And if your spamming only holy shock and WOG, you fail.

Just in case you forgot to read your own words again. You cannot keep more than one person alive at a time.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wow. Just wow.

Your tank needs a 100% dedicated healer?

[Nieninque]

Good God, there's an entire guild full of ADs. Which server is this, so that I know to NEVER transfer there?

Edit: WTF is this about a healer rotation? Since when do healers have rotations? I always thought we were supposed to use whichever spell is appropriate to the current situation. The only rotation-ish thing I can think of for holy paladins is using HS for the speed buff on other casts and the holy power.


There kind of used to be partly for druids when nourish was affected by the other hots on the target, but now nourish is worthless, there isnt.

[Alfster]

Wow. Just wow.

Your tank needs a 100% dedicated healer?

Come on now, he said he had AWESOME tanks.

[Parkbandit]

Man you guys try so hard to read too far into what I say. Of course numbers are larger, and sometimes encounters are longer. Doesn't mean its twice as hard. They are damn near the same for me as a healer.

As melee DPS sure, moving more often, watching out for more shit coming after you etc.

I don't think I ever said that the damage was twice as much.. nor did I say the boss had twice as much damage.

You said that healing regular mode ICC was the same as healing hard mode ICC. I think you are retarded to think that. For instance.. I can solo heal a couple of fights on regular mode.. no way in hell could I ever solo heal any bosses (except the gun ship fight.. you know, the one fight you have experience in healing in hard mode) in hard mode.

[Parkbandit]

Good God, there's an entire guild full of ADs. Which server is this, so that I know to NEVER transfer there?

Edit: WTF is this about a healer rotation? Since when do healers have rotations? I always thought we were supposed to use whichever spell is appropriate to the current situation. The only rotation-ish thing I can think of for holy paladins is using HS for the speed buff on other casts and the holy power.

Healing rotations went out after vanilla was old content.

I guess some guilds like to kick it old school. To be honest, I'm hoping that cata encompases new things like healing rotations and CC..

[Alfster]

I'm pretty sure my only healing rotation in vanilla was spamming lower ranked healing touches.

[Liagala]

There kind of used to be partly for druids when nourish was affected by the other hots on the target, but now nourish is worthless, there isnt.

Okay. That, I can see as a healer rotation. I think it's a stupid idea, because being locked into a rotation kinda defeats the purpose of being able to react when things go weird, but it is a good example of healers and rotation. Tanks and DPS can anticipate when they'll have to change things up. Healers can't anticipate someone standing in fire, so should be able to react to whatever.

[Alfster]

YOU may not have ever been assigned that but I have been. I was healing my tank and the raid when the other healers weren't cutting it, and they asked if I was concentrating on the tank, and I said I was helping out, and they told me to fuck off and heal the tank only. If a non tank dies it is the other healers fault, not mine etc.. Was only one raid leader so far that asked for it, but whatever.

And if your spamming only holy shock and WOG, you fail.

This actually sounds like a knee-jerk reaction from a raid leader that's annoyed when their tank drops due to no heals.

You sure you were keeping your tank up?

[AestheticDeath]

Come on now, he said he had AWESOME tanks.

current tanks are doing good. you guys are trying to take comments from different guilds/raids and put them all together

[AestheticDeath]

Just in case you forgot to read your own words again. You cannot keep more than one person alive at a time.

Did I say anyone died?

[AestheticDeath]

And try looking up the TOR rotation. It is really for cata at 85 - but nevertheless it is a rotation.

Rotations for maxing hps, or hpm etc.

[RichardCranium]

Did I say anyone died?


Actually you said everyone died but it was totally the other healers fault.

[AestheticDeath]

I don't think I ever said that the damage was twice as much.. nor did I say the boss had twice as much damage.

You said that healing regular mode ICC was the same as healing hard mode ICC. I think you are retarded to think that. For instance.. I can solo heal a couple of fights on regular mode.. no way in hell could I ever solo heal any bosses (except the gun ship fight.. you know, the one fight you have experience in healing in hard mode) in hard mode.
If you can put words in my mouth I can do the same to you yeah?

"Healing from what I have seen isn't too much different reg vs heroic"

I never said I could solo heal a 25m raid, so you mentioning that is stupid. Whether you can do it on a 10m or not, has no bearing on my saying the fights aren't much different to heal. I am not talking about trying to handicap a raid, and then say they are the same to heal.

You can take anything I say, and try to punch holes in it by bringing up stupid situations. Really though, you just need to realize we don't look at healing the same way and leave it alone.

[AestheticDeath]

I dont give a shit. Honestly at this point its far beyond WoW. I wish you the best of luck in WoW and hope you die of cancer in real life. Seriously.

Wow you don't like losing arguments much do you?

[AestheticDeath]

Actually you said everyone died but it was totally the other healers fault.

"We one shotted everything but fester, due to a stupid mistake on the other healers part."

Talking about that? If so - yes, the other healer was supposed to take the spore to ranged since he was halfway there, and the other spore was on tanks - but that same healer called out that he was going to the tanks, and that the other spore should goto ranged. Ranged didn't get the spore, we wiped. It was the other healers fault.

Why you guys are so inclined to blame the wipe on me is beyond me. Other healer screwed up spores, but obviously it is my fault.

[g++]

Wow you don't like losing arguments much do you?

You dont win by typing the most dumb shit.

[Alfster]

So this patch royally fucked up lootship.

Was kind've funny tho.

[Parkbandit]

Okay. That, I can see as a healer rotation. I think it's a stupid idea, because being locked into a rotation kinda defeats the purpose of being able to react when things go weird, but it is a good example of healers and rotation. Tanks and DPS can anticipate when they'll have to change things up. Healers can't anticipate someone standing in fire, so should be able to react to whatever.

I think you have the wrong idea about a healing rotation. Back in vanilla, healers would run out of mana quite easily on many bosses. What you would do is have say 10-12 healers.. 8 would be healing away while the others would be waiting. Once a healer ran out of mana, you would rotate out your OOM healer for a full one. The OOM healer would then not cast for a while, gaining mana back faster. Many guilds would simply bring otherwise useless druids to raids JUST for their innervates... we call this the Anticor Maneuver.

[Parkbandit]

If you can put words in my mouth I can do the same to you yeah?

"Healing from what I have seen isn't too much different reg vs heroic"

I never said I could solo heal a 25m raid, so you mentioning that is stupid. Whether you can do it on a 10m or not, has no bearing on my saying the fights aren't much different to heal. I am not talking about trying to handicap a raid, and then say they are the same to heal.

You can take anything I say, and try to punch holes in it by bringing up stupid situations. Really though, you just need to realize we don't look at healing the same way and leave it alone.

It takes zero effort to punch holes in your posts to make you look stupid.

To be honest, it's a waste of my talents.

[Cyprion]

Was a crappy class comp on the 10m too I think. 3 shamans, 3 warriors, 2 pallies and 2 mages. No battle rezz, no bubbles or rejuv, which are both OP atm apparently, and the only reason I wasn't able to get better then 4th out of 7 healers on the 25m fights.

Sounds like a crutch. No brez, but 3 anhks. No bubbles? You have 2 paladins, maybe you mean disc priest shield. Rejuv? 1 heal spell isnt make or break for a raid. This whole statement is confusing. I played a resto druid and in my guild there was a paly I struggled to keep up with. Damn judgement of light.

Also we only ran with 5 healers in 25hm. Having 7 is probably dragging fights on longer then needed with less dps.

[Nieninque]

Many guilds would simply bring otherwise useless druids to raids JUST for their innervates... we call this the Anticor Maneuver.

Fuck you!

I was there for GOTW too.

[AnticorRifling]

I was also there to give the tank thorns AND collect loots.

[4a6c1]

I was still playing Gemstone. :(

[AestheticDeath]

Sounds like a crutch. No brez, but 3 anhks. No bubbles? You have 2 paladins, maybe you mean disc priest shield. Rejuv? 1 heal spell isnt make or break for a raid. This whole statement is confusing. I played a resto druid and in my guild there was a paly I struggled to keep up with. Damn judgement of light.

Also we only ran with 5 healers in 25hm. Having 7 is probably dragging fights on longer then needed with less dps.

3 ankhs on people who may not die? I don't even recall if they did.

and bubbles is talking about disc priest, yes - pally bubble is a one shot thing and really not a big deal

And I don't know when the last time you played was - but at the moment (and I say this without playing a druid or disc priest of my own so I don't know if it is the correct way to play their class, but they are very effective doing it) the healers I run with, disc priest have like 70%+ of their heals as bubbles. And druids have 70% or more of their heals as rejuvination. All they do is HOT the whole fucking raid, then target the problem areas now and then. Rejuv is def their # one spell atm. (edit: guess some of my recount junk is wrong, or I was recalling some random fights. The rejuv looks to be more like 40-50% of the druids over all heals.)


The disc priest and rejuv spamming druids top heals in every raid we have.

We also tend to run with three druids.



1 heal spell isnt make or break for a raid and on this, obviously it didn't break us really since we downed him - but disc bubbles are like the best way to heal LK as far as I have heard. super helpful

And I pretty much sucked at healing all this week... but at least I got carried to 6 pieces of loot today. My pally out gears my DK now. And all in like 1/8th the time. Paladin healers are awesome to have rolling for loot, especially when you only have one in the raid. Unfortunately I have like 5 shamans competing with me for the shield, and everyone and their dog for trinkets.

[Parkbandit]

And I pretty much sucked at healing all this week... but at least I got carried to 6 pieces of loot today.

Finally.. something that makes perfect sense.

Good to see reality has set in.

[Nieninque]

3 ankhs on people who may not die? I don't even recall if they did.

and bubbles is talking about disc priest, yes - pally bubble is a one shot thing and really not a big deal

And I don't know when the last time you played was - but at the moment (and I say this without playing a druid or disc priest of my own so I don't know if it is the correct way to play their class, but they are very effective doing it) the healers I run with, disc priest have like 70%+ of their heals as bubbles. And druids have 70% or more of their heals as rejuvination. All they do is HOT the whole fucking raid, then target the problem areas now and then. Rejuv is def their # one spell atm. (edit: guess some of my recount junk is wrong, or I was recalling some random fights. The rejuv looks to be more like 40-50% of the druids over all heals.)


The disc priest and rejuv spamming druids top heals in every raid we have.

We also tend to run with three druids.


and on this, obviously it didn't break us really since we downed him - but disc bubbles are like the best way to heal LK as far as I have heard. super helpful

And I pretty much sucked at healing all this week... but at least I got carried to 6 pieces of loot today. My pally out gears my DK now. And all in like 1/8th the time. Paladin healers are awesome to have rolling for loot, especially when you only have one in the raid. Unfortunately I have like 5 shamans competing with me for the shield, and everyone and their dog for trinkets.

I cannot even begin to point out how fucking stupid you are.

[AestheticDeath]

I cannot even begin to point out how fucking stupid you are.

Perhaps you should try, cause nothing I said there is stupid.

[Alfster]

I'd say you're wrong.

[Nieninque]

Fine.


3 ankhs on people who may not die? I don't even recall if they did.

and bubbles is talking about disc priest, yes - pally bubble is a one shot thing and really not a big deal

And I don't know when the last time you played was - but at the moment (and I say this without playing a druid or disc priest of my own so I don't know if it is the correct way to play their class, but they are very effective doing it) the healers I run with, disc priest have like 70%+ of their heals as bubbles.

Well, either you have priests who are not healing at all, or you have no fucking brains at all. I cant figure out whether you are talking about PW:S or PW:B when you talk about bubbles healing. If you mean that the heals they do from PW:S equate to 70% of their healing, then there is no point in them being there. With the glyph that is about 2% of max health when you cast shield? Do they take all the other healing spells off their bars?


And druids have 70% or more of their heals as rejuvination. All they do is HOT the whole fucking raid, then target the problem areas now and then. Rejuv is def their # one spell atm. (edit: guess some of my recount junk is wrong, or I was recalling some random fights. The rejuv looks to be more like 40-50% of the druids over all heals.)

Rejuv is likely to be a prominent spell, but if your druids are relying on it for 50 or 70% of their healing, then either your druids are retarded or you are, or both.

You also know that all bar one of druids heals that are worth anything (not including swiftmend, which needs a hot on the target) are hots, right? So of course druids hot the raid, that's the way they heal. However, lifebloom, wild growth, regrowth should all be up there, with swiftmend, efflourescence, living seed and even tranquility playing their part too. A reliance on rejuv alone )which is pretty much what you are doing when it comes to having rejuv accounting for 70% of your heals, is as retarded as you. Not to mention the issue of overheal.

The problem with people like you is that you think you know anything and that you think you are hotstuff with your one-button guide to wow. GTFO and STFU scrub.

[AnticorRifling]

I will have to look at the numbers from last night but I don't think rejuv was even close to 70% of my healing.

[Kyra231]

I cannot even begin to point out how fucking stupid you are.

:yeahthat: I play a resto druid, I've never had rejuv as 70% of my healing. You and your druids are retarded, you should stfu now.

AD why do you keep coming back to these threads for more? It shows you're not the brightest bulb.

[g++]

Well, either you have priests who are not healing at all, or you have no fucking brains at all. I cant figure out whether you are talking about PW:S or PW:B when you talk about bubbles healing. If you mean that the heals they do from PW:S equate to 70% of their healing, then there is no point in them being there. With the glyph that is about 2% of max health when you cast shield? Do they take all the other healing spells off their bars?


I think he is trying to say disc priests absorbs are 70% of their healing. Which is about right or even possibly an under estimate since shields are so over powered at the moment, he just worded it oddly. He makes a valid point about discipline priests being over powered on lich king because they stop infest dead in its tracks...not that infest is a huge deal with 30% healing buff in 10 man reg but whatever. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Nieninque]

I will have to look at the numbers from last night but I don't think rejuv was even close to 70% of my healing.

I'm going with 25 to 30%.

[TheEschaton]

Oh man, catching up on this thread made me realize how much I miss you guys. ;)

Stay tuned, I hope to be ready for Cata at some point. Hopefully before launch.

[Parkbandit]

Oh man, catching up on this thread made me realize how much I miss you guys. ;)

Stay tuned, I hope to be ready for Cata at some point. Hopefully before launch.

Well, at least we know he's still alive.

[TheEschaton]

Alive, living in a car at times, now I'm at least crashing at my friend's place in Denver. At least I have a job working with kids with Asperger's now...they all play WoW because it gives them escape from the real world which confuses and hurts them. I get on with them pretty well. ;)

-TheE-

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Speaking of resto druids, which I am, I at first HATED the cata changes. Then once I got used to it, really really love them. I use a significantly wider variety of spells, use swiftmend virtually every cooldown now because of effervescence (I typically us it to put up heals on groups of folks like melee, or ranged if bunched together, on the tank if not just for the extra heal), tranquility which I NEVER used before the patch I use now for large smart raid heals when things are getting out of control, regrowth (I really disliked the short duration at first, but now I'm used to it) has basically replaced my nourish casting, treeform on cooldown sucked ass, but now I'm used to it and actually like it for another "oh shit" button, lifebloom is awesome for on the run heals. I forget the talent that lets you cast your next spell less than 10 seconds instantly, but that's another oh shit button. I dunno, the whole spell tree is essentially the same with the exception of effervescence, but it's also significantly better for a druid who knows their spells and what to use and when.

Like I said, greatly disliked it at first because frankly I was used to the rolling rejuve and occasionally nourish 1-2 punch which was increasingly boring. Personally I think druids are the best balanced class out there right now. By balanced I mean, don't really have wasted spells, a good arsenal of talents which don't limit you to a cookie cutter. for instance, I played with using insect swarm to hasten my casting, I played with dispelling magic, have gone down the feral tree a little bit also. It's nice to have options. I think druids are hands down the most versatile spec right now.

I like my priest next, then shaman, then pali as far as versatility, but they all have their roles, and lets face it, outside a raid, can heal any 5 man out there.

Yeah, I'm digging on the resto druid cata changes :) Ra Ra Ra

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh, the only thing I really dislike is my nourish (not talented) is at 1.5 sec cast time, but like I said, I get to use so many other spells once I got used to it I don't even notice anymore.

[AnticorRifling]

Alive, living in a car at times, now I'm at least crashing at my friend's place in Denver. At least I have a job working with kids with Asperger's now...they all play WoW because it gives them escape from the real world which confuses and hurts them. I get on with them pretty well. ;)

-TheE-

Awesome. Now get ready for cata you hobo.

Oh one nice thing for you being homeless, no one can tell when you're dirty.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I bet he stinks like patchouli.

[Cephalopod]

At least I have a job working with kids with Asperger's now...they all play WoW because it gives them escape from the real world which confuses and hurts them.

Sounds like you found AD's guild.

[AnticorRifling]

All wow threads now pale in comparison to the above comment.

[Nieninque]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaphF[AEHJF[\WH#hF#=[ujhqHFD]ifjh~

[Parkbandit]

Speaking of resto druids, which I am, I at first HATED the cata changes. Then once I got used to it, really really love them. I use a significantly wider variety of spells, use swiftmend virtually every cooldown now because of effervescence (I typically us it to put up heals on groups of folks like melee, or ranged if bunched together, on the tank if not just for the extra heal), tranquility which I NEVER used before the patch I use now for large smart raid heals when things are getting out of control, regrowth (I really disliked the short duration at first, but now I'm used to it) has basically replaced my nourish casting, treeform on cooldown sucked ass, but now I'm used to it and actually like it for another "oh shit" button, lifebloom is awesome for on the run heals. I forget the talent that lets you cast your next spell less than 10 seconds instantly, but that's another oh shit button. I dunno, the whole spell tree is essentially the same with the exception of effervescence, but it's also significantly better for a druid who knows their spells and what to use and when.

Like I said, greatly disliked it at first because frankly I was used to the rolling rejuve and occasionally nourish 1-2 punch which was increasingly boring. Personally I think druids are the best balanced class out there right now. By balanced I mean, don't really have wasted spells, a good arsenal of talents which don't limit you to a cookie cutter. for instance, I played with using insect swarm to hasten my casting, I played with dispelling magic, have gone down the feral tree a little bit also. It's nice to have options. I think druids are hands down the most versatile spec right now.

I like my priest next, then shaman, then pali as far as versatility, but they all have their roles, and lets face it, outside a raid, can heal any 5 man out there.

Yeah, I'm digging on the resto druid cata changes :) Ra Ra Ra

Damn... maybe I'll have to give my druid another try. I hated the resto changes and haven't played him much since. I leveled up my shaman and got him into full wrathful and had fun.

[Parkbandit]

Sounds like you found AD's guild.

:rofl:

[Some Rogue]

Well, we figured E was either killed by a hitchhiker, on a commune or working at the Kwik E Mart by now...guess we were all wrong.

[Nieninque]

Damn... maybe I'll have to give my druid another try. I hated the resto changes and haven't played him much since. I leveled up my shaman and got him into full wrathful and had fun.

I love my resto druid. Best thing is watching rogues kill themselves on thorns

[Nieninque]

Or DKs

[AestheticDeath]

Just looking up some of the other guilds on my server, druids are commonly getting 40% heals from rejuv, and disc priest are getting 40% + from POWER WORD SHIELD(bubbles). So it isn't just my current guild getting large returns from rejuv/power word: shield.

Also depends on the fight some, but any fight that is raid wide damage definitely shows what I am talking about.

I didn't feel like making copy/paste pics of other peoples raids - but I made one of all the recent recount screen shots I took. Make fun of having more than 5 healers all you want. Gotta take what you can get.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/th_recountshit.jpg (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/recountshit.jpg)

[AestheticDeath]

I think he is trying to say disc priests absorbs are 70% of their healing. Which is about right or even possibly an under estimate since shields are so over powered at the moment, he just worded it oddly. He makes a valid point about discipline priests being over powered on lich king because they stop infest dead in its tracks...not that infest is a huge deal with 30% healing buff in 10 man reg but whatever. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

bubble the raid, infest, light of dawn and infest is taken care of for the most part, just a few spot heals

[subzero]

LOL. I found his pally through his application to <Icon>

I've often wondered if any of you played on Shadowsong. I've seen a few "gs-ish" references here and there and thought I may be losing mah mind.

[4a6c1]

I think there are more of us GS people in WoW than we would like to admit. My first pet through 30 was named Sheru. I had at least 3 non hounds people approach me and/or comment on it.

[Nieninque]

My first pet was named Miaah after my best GS friend.

[Nieninque]

My second pet was called Shitty. After AD

[4a6c1]

My second pet was called Shitty. After AD

lol. u r so eval

[AestheticDeath]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q92/AestheticDeath/Nien.jpg

[Nieninque]

I love how you are too stupid to realise that isnt an insult.

[RichardCranium]

I just went from six to midnight.

[4a6c1]

WOW Farming 11-21-2010 01:53 PM After some recent events in my life, I decided that glasses + suit are the way to go. Plus they compliment my floppy ears. -Meth

OMG WHAT DOES IT MEAN

[RichardCranium]

WOW Farming 11-21-2010 01:53 PM After some recent events in my life, I decided that glasses + suit are the way to go. Plus they compliment my floppy ears. -Meth

OMG WHAT DOES IT MEAN

It definitely means child-bearing hips.

[4a6c1]

OMG WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

[AnticorRifling]

Or DKs

You mean bad dks...which is most of them.


Also last night we hit up some ABs and holy hell was it crazy fun. Had a pally healer (Salv), hunter (Scramby), elemental shaman (Bayne), and me. At one point we were taking on their whole team. They would focus on me, I'd just burn cooldowns and take a shit ton of healing while the hunter and ele rained in pain. Couple that with my howling blasts and silencing healers and they just got mowed down.

[Nieninque]

You mean bad dks...which is most of them.


Also last night we hit up some ABs and holy hell was it crazy fun. Had a pally healer (Salv), hunter (Scramby), elemental shaman (Bayne), and me. At one point we were taking on their whole team. They would focus on me, I'd just burn cooldowns and take a shit ton of healing while the hunter and ele rained in pain. Couple that with my howling blasts and silencing healers and they just got mowed down.

I had a bit of a premade running yesterday, was rather fun. Only 8 of us at most and most of whom didnt have pvp gear. Rolled everything except the one full premade we met in AB, who won by 20 resources...and the time we tried to get resilient victory - my last difficult achievement (just need 10 AV wins and 18 IOTS wins after that) to get Battlemaster. Need to get a full group up for that.

[g++]

Should hang out...until cataclysm I think BG's is pretty much all we do :P.

Patch is finally coming Tuesday and finally....

Thorns: beginner tooltip revised to no longer imply the spell could be kept up at all times. In addition, Thorns damage has been reduced by 60%.


Damn druids.

[Nieninque]

Should hang out...until cataclysm I think BG's is pretty much all we do :P.

Patch is finally coming Tuesday and finally....

Thorns: beginner tooltip revised to no longer imply the spell could be kept up at all times. In addition, Thorns damage has been reduced by 60%.


Damn druids.

Boooooooo!
There goes any way I can kill anything.

[g++]

Boooooooo!
There goes any way I can kill anything.

Im not sure if Anticor was in vent when I was trying to do a warsong gulch on my 59 rogue a week ago but it basically sounded like this.

Fucking druid.
God damn druids.
Yah I backstab for 1k damage and take a 2k thorns crit in the process gg blizz.
Fuck this druid.
How can anyone have thought this was ok.
This druid literally has 50 KB's from thorns hes not even feral.
Fuck this game.
IM NEVER PLAYING THIS FUCKING ROGUE AGAIN
HOW IS THIS SPELL SO FUCKING OVER POWERED
THE DRUID IS UP TO 150 KBS
HE JUST GRABS THE FUCKING FLAG AND CASTS THORNS AND WIPES OUR WHOLE FUCKING TEAM

I think after that I went and cried for 3 hours and did AB on my mage to feel better.

[Liagala]

•Mysterious Egg now takes only 3 days to turn into a Cracked Egg and has a slightly greater chance of awarding the Reins of the Green Proto-Drake.

Hooray!

Also... what's the deal tomorrow? We go to bed tonight with the same Azeroth we've always known, Deathwing torches it in the morning, and by mid-afternoon Org is entirely rebuilt, complete with massive scary-looking buildings and huge walls?

[g++]

•Mysterious Egg now takes only 3 days to turn into a Cracked Egg and has a slightly greater chance of awarding the Reins of the Green Proto-Drake.

Hooray!

Also... what's the deal tomorrow? We go to bed tonight with the same Azeroth we've always known, Deathwing torches it in the morning, and by mid-afternoon Org is entirely rebuilt, complete with massive scary-looking buildings and huge walls?

Yah pretty much. I would expect the game to be basically unplayable for about a week as well.

[Liagala]

Yah pretty much. I would expect the game to be basically unplayable for about a week as well.
That's convenient. SR and I will be gone from Thursday - Tuesday anyway.

Side note - get all your people out of Dal tonight, unless you like the idea of flying to Warsong Hold/Vengeance Landing and taking the Zep back to the old world.

Edit: Does this mean the elemental invasions are over, or will the elements still be all freaked out even after Deathwing wreaks doom and destruction all over the countryside?

More Edit: I saw this post on MMO-forums, and it's exactly what I intended to do:
i'm gonna be moving all my alts from dalaran to SW or IF, then what i might do is go and leave some alts in precarious positions around the world, for example, on the shores of tanaris, in the middle of the barrens, in the middle of badlands, in SW park etc, i'm intrigued to see what'll happen to them.... will they get ported to a graveyard, or will they just re-materialise where they logged out and fall to their deaths, have to swim for the shore or possibly even get stuck under the ground

[Nieninque]

Im not sure if Anticor was in vent when I was trying to do a warsong gulch on my 59 rogue a week ago but it basically sounded like this.

Fucking druid.
God damn druids.
Yah I backstab for 1k damage and take a 2k thorns crit in the process gg blizz.
Fuck this druid.
How can anyone have thought this was ok.
This druid literally has 50 KB's from thorns hes not even feral.
Fuck this game.
IM NEVER PLAYING THIS FUCKING ROGUE AGAIN
HOW IS THIS SPELL SO FUCKING OVER POWERED
THE DRUID IS UP TO 150 KBS
HE JUST GRABS THE FUCKING FLAG AND CASTS THORNS AND WIPES OUR WHOLE FUCKING TEAM

I think after that I went and cried for 3 hours and did AB on my mage to feel better.

Boofuckinghoo.
A rogue was unable to stunlock something from start to finish in less than six seconds...oh and actually died in PVP?
If your whole team died to a druid by killing themselves on thorns, they are retarded...which in 50-59 BGs is quite possible/probable.
The game is not meant to be balanced at that level anyway. Get used to someone being OP, like mages are at 80, because it is just how it is. And quit fucking QQing so hard that we get nerfed.
Cunts.

[g++]

I can see the game not being as tuned at that level. Thorns being a one-two shot between two characters the same level is a little silly. Thats as stupid as cold blooded ambush hitting for 7k when people have 4k health max. Both abilities were nerfed pre-80 along with every other spell in the game to make leveling in bgs less insane.

[g++]

That's convenient. SR and I will be gone from Thursday - Tuesday anyway.

Side note - get all your people out of Dal tonight, unless you like the idea of flying to Warsong Hold/Vengeance Landing and taking the Zep back to the old world.

Edit: Does this mean the elemental invasions are over, or will the elements still be all freaked out even after Deathwing wreaks doom and destruction all over the countryside?

More Edit: I saw this post on MMO-forums, and it's exactly what I intended to do:

I think 5/6 of my characters are master engineers so until they get rid of the engi auctioneer in dalaran I think Ill be calling it home.

[TheEschaton]

They're taking the portals out of Dal though.

-TheE-

[4a6c1]

i'm gonna be moving all my alts from dalaran to SW or IF, then what i might do is go and leave some alts in precarious positions around the world, for example, on the shores of tanaris, in the middle of the barrens, in the middle of badlands, in SW park etc, i'm intrigued to see what'll happen to them.... will they get ported to a graveyard, or will they just re-materialise where they logged out and fall to their deaths, have to swim for the shore or possibly even get stuck under the ground


That is a really good idea. Wish I had time to make alts. I'll probably just park Anzu in the middle of the Barrens.

[Some Rogue]

Isn't she still there levelling anyway?

[4a6c1]

Isn't she still there levelling anyway?

I hate you.

[Alfster]

Which one of you guys app'd to my guild?

"I've been playing MMO's for more than a decade. I played (and raided in) EQ for 3 years before WoW was released and before that I played a text-based MMO called Gemstone III for a year."

Edit: and not my morning one.

[AnticorRifling]

Who only plays GS for a year? Don't you either play for a day and never come back or stay for years?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, that app would read "... and before that I played a text-based MMO called Gemstone III obcessively for 8 years. It ruined my marriage, I've gone up 28 sizes, and I don't go outside anymore for fear of being ignited by the blazing sun."

[CrystalTears]

Which one of you guys app'd to my guild?

"I've been playing MMO's for more than a decade. I played (and raided in) EQ for 3 years before WoW was released and before that I played a text-based MMO called Gemstone III for a year."

Edit: and not my morning one.
No one here would have been that specific or only played for a year.

[TheEschaton]

Sorry, I played GS for like, 12 years.

[4a6c1]

No one here....only played for a year.

Sad but true.

[Alfster]

Meh. Said person was declined anyway.

[Parkbandit]

HA! Maybe I just withdrew my application! Ever think of that?

[Alfster]

I was hoping it would have been AD.

[AestheticDeath]

I played GS for more than a year. Doubt I would ever app to a guild I knew you were in anyways.

And your not on Shadowsong either are you?

[Alfster]

Looking at my sig, you can probably find out which server I reside on.

[AestheticDeath]

It was a rhetorical question.

[Nieninque]

You spelt "retarded" wrong.

[Kyra231]

You spelt "retarded" wrong.

/thread.