Should North Korea be annihilated? [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 12:13 PM

Because WW3 with China is just what we want right now!

If North Korea attacks first, China would not be in a position to back them up and we'd be free of chinese debt.. so ww3 with china might not be a bad business decision.....

AnticorRifling

05-31-2009, 12:14 PM

It's true! You can't hug children with nuclear arms!!!
And then death kills her and asks for the check. Coffee date over.

Solkern

05-31-2009, 12:15 PM

It's true! You can't hug children with nuclear arms!!!

No hugging involved, just holding hands.

Euler

05-31-2009, 12:18 PM

war doesn't decide who is right, just who is left.

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 01:30 PM

war doesn't decide who is right, just who is left.

Nice.

Asha

05-31-2009, 01:36 PM

Haven't you seen / read - On The Beach?
Whatever.. carry on.

Sean of the Thread

05-31-2009, 01:42 PM

I still say georgi coming back at the same time as jihna is not coincidence.

Androidpk

05-31-2009, 02:24 PM

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 02:37 PM

I still say georgi coming back at the same time as jihna is not coincidence.

dude.. search for thread posts.. I've been around for awhile, just mildly active on the PC...

I've only been mildly active because most of the political debate boils down to who can come up with the most degrading "your mama" insults or the fact that many poster arguments a) reflect no understanding of reality, or b) are completely biased/ignorant towards a point of view even when evidence is shown contrary to their brainwashed opinion.

the only thing that keeps me coming back are the ridiculously stupid threads some people post because I too need a good laugh now and again....

Also, I'm keeping track of how often ClydeR outdoes (himself/herself?) in absolutely ridiculous and/or insane commentary on political/social conservatism or lack thereof in this country...... one thing that can be said about him/her, he/she's consistent.... although I suspect he's a guy.

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 02:42 PM

It is really starting to look like war is the only option. Not only did they test a nuke on monday, and continue to fire off small range missiles throughout the week, now it looks like they're prepping for another long range missile test. 20 years of diplomacy is enough, it's time to drop the hammer and cut off the head of North Korea.

Well, beyond declaring the armistice null and void, which essentially puts north/south Korea back at war (technically), not much beyond testing nuclear weapons/long range missile technology and a bunch of rhetoric has been coming out of that country......

Very little information is allowed outside of that country, so it's hard to tell if He's trying for hard bargaining tactics or the last screw has finally come loose and he's about to go apeshit wherever he can hit.....

I have a buddy that was deployed to Seoul recently, for 3 years, and his take on the situation (before he left a few months ago) was that Kim Jong-Il "isn't going to do shit". I don't know if his perspective has changed, but he's a combat veteran (Invasion of Baghdad -Iraq, round 3-) so I hope he's going to be alright.....

Stanley Burrell

05-31-2009, 03:01 PM

They actually have WMD capability and no oil. Where's the fun in that?

diethx

05-31-2009, 03:05 PM

Also, I'm keeping track of how often ClydeR outdoes (himself/herself?)

What a ridiculous waste of time.

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 03:07 PM

What a ridiculous waste of time.

One has to have hobbies...

and actually, I'm not keeping track of ClydeR, but I did have to give props in effort to support my "PC facepalm of the month awards" (http://www.forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=43160) thread.

Parkbandit

05-31-2009, 03:25 PM

Also, I'm keeping track of how often ClydeR outdoes (himself/herself?) in absolutely ridiculous and/or insane commentary on political/social conservatism or lack thereof in this country...... one thing that can be said about him/her, he/she's consistent.... although I suspect he's a guy.

Here's what I think about ClydeR so far:

1) He's a guy.
2) He's a Progressive Liberal Democrat.
3) He's an atheist.
4) He's a homosexual.
5) He's white.
6) His "main" doesn't post here very much at all anymore.
7) He's between the ages of 21 and 28.

Apotheosis

05-31-2009, 03:27 PM

Here's what I think about ClydeR so far:

1) He's a guy.
2) He's a Progressive Liberal Democrat.
3) He's an atheist.
4) He's a homosexual.
5) He's white.
6) His "main" doesn't post here very much at all anymore.
7) He's between the ages of 21 and 28.

Backlash?

Parkbandit

05-31-2009, 03:34 PM

Backlash?

Add in someone who has better than a 5th grade education.. which would eliminate Backlash.

Backlash had problems on Day #1 with an alt account.. there is absolutely no way he could have kept ClydeR going this long.

Gan

05-31-2009, 04:22 PM

Add in someone who has better than a 5th grade education.. which would eliminate Backlash.

Backlash had problems on Day #1 with an alt account.. there is absolutely no way he could have kept ClydeR going this long.

LOLQFT

On topic:

I keep hoping NK will have an ironic moment and accidentally set off a surface detonation with all of their military leaders there at ground zero.

http://sas.localguides.com/bundles/guides_yg/assets/widget_cSU6uunYPhsOqa_ZgayTbp.jpg

Hulkein

05-31-2009, 10:31 PM

That would be hysterical, Gan.

radamanthys

05-31-2009, 10:44 PM

There's a sleeping pit bull (fight trained battle dog) next to a yipping chihuahua. Yea, the little dog could bite, but you could just step on the motherfucker. The pit bull is a different story. China/NK analogy.

We don't want to piss off China, so lets leave them to it. China's not going to let NK start nuking the neighbors. China's current machinations are economic, not militant. A war would be shitty for their bottom line.

RichardCranium

05-31-2009, 11:00 PM

Baaaaaaaaaa...

No really fuck them they don't have any oil anyway.

Tea & Strumpets

05-31-2009, 11:20 PM

I don't want to sound like an unwashed hippie, but I think nuking North Korea might be going a bit overboard.

diethx

05-31-2009, 11:31 PM

Back

06-01-2009, 12:22 AM

Add in someone who has better than a 5th grade education.. which would eliminate Backlash.

Backlash had problems on Day #1 with an alt account.. there is absolutely no way he could have kept ClydeR going this long.

PB is right. I’d have fucked it up long ago and Kranar would have spotted the same IPs because I can’t be bothered to go to all that trouble.

As to the question... no NK should not be annihilated. There are millions of innocent civilians there. A solution? It has to be diplomacy.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 12:25 AM

PB is right. I’d have fucked it up long ago and Kranar would have spotted the same IPs because I can’t be bothered to go to all that trouble.

As to the question... no NK should not be annihilated. There are millions of innocent civilians there. A solution? It has to be diplomacy.

What if they hit a target? What if they nuke someone?

Back

06-01-2009, 12:41 AM

What if they hit a target? What if they nuke someone?

Then a lot of people are fucked, no doubt. But they haven’t. They can’t even reliably deliver a warhead or even prove they can detonate one. Everyone needs to calm down.

Let him sit at the adult table. Quit treating him like he’s the outcast at the playground. Throw him a bone. And if he does actually set off a nuke coordinate an effort with China and Russia to take out all the nuke sites.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 12:56 AM

Then a lot of people are fucked, no doubt. But they haven’t. They can’t even reliably deliver a warhead or even prove they can detonate one. Everyone needs to calm down.

Let him sit at the adult table. Quit treating him like he’s the outcast at the playground. Throw him a bone. And if he does actually set off a nuke coordinate an effort with China and Russia to take out all the nuke sites.

I asked 'what will happen', I know. I meant 'what should we do'.

I don't think walking out of the treaty means that he's willing to negotiate.

As far as collective bargaining: what would we offer him? He wants to be considered a nuclear power. Do we accord him that? Do we give the North Korean dictatorship power to have a say in world decisions?

Back

06-01-2009, 01:10 AM

I asked 'what will happen', I know. I meant 'what should we do'.

I don't think walking out of the treaty means that he's willing to negotiate.

As far as collective bargaining: what would we offer him? He wants to be considered a nuclear power. Do we accord him that? Do we give the North Korean dictatorship power to have a say in world decisions?

I don’t have the ultimate answer. If I had my way we’d be working hard on exploring space rather than wasting time on “annihilating” one another.

A global coalition would be a great start.

Apotheosis

06-01-2009, 01:14 AM

It's called the United Nations....

And apparently we've been "negotiating" with North Korea for a long time now to no effect...

Appeasement is not the solution.

Warriorbird

06-01-2009, 01:19 AM

Appeasement not working does not immediately suggest 'start World War 3.'

As much as North Korea needs wiped out there's some problems with the notion.

1. Most of the North Koreans are poor hapless fucks who don't deserve it
2. We don't attack countries with actual weapons of mass destruction

Back

06-01-2009, 01:28 AM

China's not going to let NK start nuking the neighbors. China's current machinations are economic, not militant. A war would be shitty for their bottom line.

I agree with this. We are at the point where actual war is bad for the bottom line for everyone. There are vast untapped resources beyond our tiny little globe if we are going to do what life is supposed to do... perpetuate.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 01:28 AM

Appeasement not working does not immediately suggest 'start World War 3.'

Agreed. It'd just cost money the government doesn't have.

That said, it'd sure help with global overpopulation.

Back

06-01-2009, 01:34 AM

Agreed. It'd just cost money the government doesn't have.

That said, it'd sure help with global overpopulation.

WTF? Global overpopulation?

Dude, did you know that the entire population of the globe could actually fit in the state of Delaware? Granted, 1 square foot per person is a little tight...

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 01:40 AM

WTF? Global overpopulation?

Dude, did you know that the entire population of the globe could actually fit in the state of Delaware? Granted, 1 square foot per person is a little tight...

We're over our technological capacity as well as available resources per capita. Whenever this has happened there have been one of three things: Disease, famine, war. Everything from Bubonic plague to WWII.

Currently, Africa is far beyond technological capacity, and is thus rife with war, disease and famine.

Most of the world's problems are caused by too many people: from (allegedly) global warming to unemployment to depletion of oil reserves.

And not for nothing, but population increases exponentially, not linearly. It's gonna be more and more of a problem in the coming years.

Warriorbird

06-01-2009, 01:42 AM

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Back

06-01-2009, 01:59 AM

We're over our technological capacity as well as available resources per capita. Whenever this has happened there have been one of three things: Disease, famine, war. Everything from Bubonic plague to WWII.

Currently, Africa is far beyond technological capacity, and is thus rife with war, disease and famine.

Most of the world's problems are caused by too many people: from (allegedly) global warming to unemployment to depletion of oil reserves.

And not for nothing, but population increases exponentially, not linearly. It's gonna be more and more of a problem in the coming years.

I think your idea of profit is more in line with my way of thinking. How is nuking some peoples and their resources profitable to anyone let alone productive?

I really can’t compute your “doomsday” way of thought. Human existence is a millisecond in the history of the universe, and your and my lives a millisecond of that. I’d rather spend my time thinking about ways to extend our time rather than dwell on extinction. Regardless of what we believe, life, in some form, will continue to perpetuate as that what life does.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 02:53 AM

<img>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Eugenics_congress_logo.png</img>

Why?

I think your idea of profit is more in line with my way of thinking. How is nuking some peoples and their resources profitable to anyone let alone productive?

I really can’t compute your “doomsday” way of thought. Human existence is a millisecond in the history of the universe, and your and my lives a millisecond of that. I’d rather spend my time thinking about ways to extend our time rather than dwell on extinction. Regardless of what we believe, life, in some form, will continue to perpetuate as that what life does.

Yea, it's silly to spend the money. Unless they become a risk to that very profitability.

Life will perpetuate, but eventually, likely soonish, there's gonna be some kind of mass death. Either by war or plague. The universe loves balance.

Warriorbird

06-01-2009, 02:57 AM

I'm just messing with you in this case, Rad. I think we ought to think about controlling overpopulation. It's what usually gets tossed at me when I bring it up, though.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 03:05 AM

I'm just messing with you in this case, Rad. I think we ought to think about controlling overpopulation. It's what usually gets tossed at me when I bring it up, though.

Hehe, I thought so. Else I'd have been more "WTF?", and flailed my arms around like a madman.

I'd be all for a global 2 kid limit. We can just soylent green the rest.

4a6c1

06-01-2009, 02:00 PM

I don't want to sound like an unwashed hippie, but I think nuking North Korea might be going a bit overboard.

I agree with Tea and Strumpets. Chemical warfare is probably a better idea. That way we can sell the land to China afterwards and they will minus a billion or so dollars from the 'MORTGAGE: USA' file.

Think economically people.

Apotheosis

06-01-2009, 02:04 PM

I agree with Tea and Strumpets. Chemical warfare is probably a better idea. That way we can sell the land to China afterwards and they will minus a billion or so dollars from the 'MORTGAGE: USA' file.

Think economically people.

Yep, good to see you back on the PC.. it's comments like these that my twisted sense of humor appreciates.

LMingrone

06-01-2009, 02:24 PM

Is anyone really worried about NK? Their military force is a joke. Today the news is spouting stupid rumors that they're about to test ICBMs. Yeah...OK. They couldn't even get a real rocket into low atmosphere if they tried, which they have.

Ignoring them seems like the best recourse. Always have to worry about KJI trying to go out in a blaze of glory I guess.

Apotheosis

06-01-2009, 02:27 PM

And I guess that's the thing that really gets to the crux of the matter:

1. If North Korea gets it's way, then it will "learn" that an aggressive stance works.

2. If not, well, that's the unknown.

LMingrone

06-01-2009, 02:33 PM

The real issue is that megalomaniac has his finger on The Red Button to completely wipe out Seoul. And he's at his latter stage in life. He's no threat to us. Dude's obviously crazy though.

Apotheosis

06-01-2009, 02:38 PM

We have a base in Seoul, South Korea is one of our allies... the enemy of my friend is my enemy... and attack on South Korea would be seen and treated as an attack on us.

LMingrone

06-01-2009, 02:44 PM

We have a base in Seoul, South Korea is one of our allies... the enemy of my friend is my enemy... and attack on South Korea would be seen and treated as an attack on us.

Oh, completely agree with you. I have family there. Just saying if NK decided to, in an hour or so, Seoul would be destroyed. It's their one bargaining tool.

Fallen

06-01-2009, 04:03 PM

Regime change would be wonderful. I don't understand why we haven't put a very large caliber round through at least that fat idiot's head.

Sean of the Thread

06-01-2009, 04:15 PM

Well at least we'll get some new episodes of M.A.S.H.

LMingrone

06-01-2009, 04:19 PM

I must be the only person that HATED/S M.A.S.H. Probably 'cause is was the only thing on after 11 when i was a kid.

Sean of the Thread

06-01-2009, 04:21 PM

I had 3 channels.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 04:22 PM

Never really got into M.A.S.H.

Probably because I'm a youngin'.

LMingrone

06-01-2009, 04:23 PM

You didn't even have scrambled porn? I'm sorry for you.

Sean of the Thread

06-01-2009, 04:23 PM

My pops watched 24/7. That and John Wayne movies.

Sean of the Thread

06-01-2009, 04:24 PM

You didn't even have scrambled porn? I'm sorry for you.

At my rich gramp's house. He had one of those Hubble sized dishes.

radamanthys

06-01-2009, 04:25 PM

You didn't even have scrambled porn? I'm sorry for you.

I caught the tail end of the 'scrambled porn' times. I had them when I hit that important age. I was lucky, hehe.

Geshron

06-05-2009, 07:03 PM

He is a very pompous little windbag, that Jong-Il. I sometimes think the same thought, why not just obliterate him? Then not only do I think about the innocent lives there but, I remind myself that there is a fair share of the population of this planet that wished someone would've executed George Bush or nuked us then, or both.

Glad I'm 'merican, that's for sure.

Or, or..I am too stoned/uninformed to have an opinion. I can't even read, I pay someone to type for me and tell me what you guys say on here.

Renian

06-05-2009, 07:17 PM

We can't nuke North Korea for two reasons.

1. We'd risk getting some nuclear fallout all over South Korea.
2. North Korea would hear it coming because all of South Korea suddenly alert you: "NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED!"

Geshron

06-05-2009, 07:19 PM

Kuyuk

06-05-2009, 07:25 PM

I believe he was referring to Starcraft.........

Geshron

06-05-2009, 07:31 PM

This is where I would use the "tomato-pronunciation analogy", or something like that. Or maybe, I just like to hear the voice reading in my head as a woman with an English accent. Try it sometime!

Renian

06-05-2009, 07:52 PM

I believe he was referring to Starcraft.........

Ding ding ding. When South Korea has three 24/7 Starcraft channels, you know they've got that shit installed.

Androidpk

06-18-2009, 02:44 PM

U.S. Military Tracking North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/18/military-tracking-north-korean-ship-suspected-proliferating-weapons-material/

I find this whole thing to be pretty pointless, since the only way they'd be able to board the ship is by getting permission from North Korea. This UN resolution needs more teeth.

nub

06-18-2009, 10:12 PM

Yes, I found it funny how people/news agencies keep refferring to these new resolutions as "harsh" or "harsher" sanctions. I just feel really bad for the people of North Korea.

And as for Iran, I feel like this is a game (i know it's serious but..) I feel like I am cheering for them, for them to be able to be heard etc.