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Celephais
05-06-2009, 10:30 AM
http://io9.com/5241252/physicists-prove-that-vampires-could-not-exist

Two physicists have published an academic paper where they demonstrate, by virtue of geometric progression, that vampires (http://io9.com/tag/vampires/) could not exist, since they would almost immediately deplete their entire food supply (a.k.a, all of us).
If you've ever read Salem's Lot (or seen the lame Starsky and Hutch-era miniseries adaptation starring David Soul), then you know that after a vampire decides to settle in your town, the undead begin to multiply at an alarming rate (he bites two friends, who bite two friends, and so on, and so on…).

Putting aside for a moment the issue of how that would impact neighborhood property values, this phenomenon raises an even more pressing question: If vampires (http://io9.com/tag/vampires/) are indeed living (unliving?) among us, then shouldn't we have seen an undead population explosion by now?

Fortunately, our best minds are on the case. Physicists Costas Efthimiou and Sohang Gandhi's paper "Cinema Fiction vs. Physics Reality" offers a full explanation.

Efthimiou and Gandhi conduct a thought experiment: Assume that the first vampire appeared on January 1, 1600. At that time, according to data available at the U.S. Census website, the global population was 536,870,911. Efthimiou and Gandhi calculate that, once the Nosferatu feeding frenzy began, the entire human race would have been wiped out by June 1602 (thus forever changing the course of history by preventing the invention of the slide rule eighteen years later).

The physicists note:

Another philosophical principal related to our argument is the truism given the elaborate title, the anthropic principle. This states that if something is necessary for human existence, then it must be true since we do exist. In the present case, the nonexistence of vampires is necessary for human existence. Apparently, whomever devised the vampire legend had failed his college algebra and philosophy courses.
Oooh, snap! But, this gauntlet had been barely thrown down before it invited a rebuttal from mathematician Dino Sejdinovic. In his article, "Mathematics of the Human Vampire Conflict" (Math Horizons, November 2008) Sejdinovic faults Efthimiou and Gandhi's logic, since they have not "accounted for the birth-rate of non-vampires and death-rate of vampires (actually the death-death-rate since they are already dead, but when they die again they should stay dead but stop being living) due to close encounters with stakes, garlic and holy water." Moreover, "vampires are presented exclusively as greedy consumers: a rational strategy of managing their human resources is not considered."

Here, Sejdinovic cites the pioneering research conducted by Austrian mathematicians Richard Hartl and Alexander Mehlmann, who published the landmark 1982 paper, "The Transylvanian Problem of Renewable Resources," later followed up by "Cycles of Fear: Periodic Bloodsucking Rates for Vampires" (Journal of Optimization Theory and Application, December 1992). Hartl and Mehlmann argue that vampires would never be stupid enough to deplete their entire food supply, and by applying the Hopf-Bifurcation Theorem (don't ask), they demonstrate how vampires can adopt an optimal "cyclical bloodsucking strategy."


However, there is a serious flaw in the Hartl and Mehlmann model: The assumption that human beings would be docile prey. Their research provoked an outraged response from economist Dennis Snower, who in his article "Macroeconomic Policy and the Optimal Destruction of Vampires" (The Journal of Political Economy, June 1982), declared:

One wonders what conceivable interest the authors could have had in helping vampires solve their intertemporal consumption problem. The implicit assumption of the Invisible Hand (or Fang)-whereby vampires, in pursuing their own interests, pursue those of human beings as well-is of questionable validity. The study by Hartl and Mehlmann is not concerned with the macroeconomic implications of blood-sucking behavior modes. Nor does it consider the policy instruments whereby human beings can protect themselves from vampires. Instead, humans are modeled as passive receptacles of blood whose cultivation and harvest are left to vampire discretion.

Hooyah! Snower argues that the mortal world can manage its resources in a manner that keeps the undead population in check, while simultaneously promoting long-term economic growth:

A transfer of labor services from the widget sector to the stake sector reduces human welfare at present but may raise welfare in the future (since an increase in stake production reduces the vampire population and thereby increases the future labor force whereby future widgets may be produced).
Still, I'm not entirely confident in Snower's conclusions-not least because his complex mathematical proof indicates that the complete destruction of vampires would not be "socially optimal." (And you wonder why economics is known as the dismal science?)

In fact, all of these models rest upon the assumption that vampires are at the top of the undead food chain. Who says that the blood-sucking population is not kept in check by something that preys on vampires? Time to consult the zoology journals.

ElvenFury
05-06-2009, 10:34 AM
D'oh! You forgot to log onto your ClydeR alt before posting this.

radamanthys
05-06-2009, 10:36 AM
And shit, you can't forget about Vampire AIDS.

Or bat flu.

radamanthys
05-06-2009, 10:56 AM
Hmm...

And then, they could always get it from fucking, like the rest of us. I doubt the undead are all that into heroin.

Celephais
05-06-2009, 11:00 AM
I agree, it's stupid to say that vampires just strait up make another vampire when they feed. It has to do with either how much they feed, or if the person bites them back.

This is like the zombie curnundrum, if you eat the brains, they can't turn into a zombie.

droit
05-06-2009, 11:48 AM
And shit, you can't forget about Vampire AIDS.

LOL! You just reminded me of a puppet show I saw years ago that was about gay vampires with AIDS. It was called "Streets of Blood" and was, as you can imagine, weird as fuck.

Sean of the Thread
05-06-2009, 11:54 AM
I learned everything I know about the physics of vampires from watching The Lost Boys on vhs.

/end

Tisket
05-06-2009, 12:00 PM
Snower argues that the mortal world can manage its resources in a manner that keeps the undead population in check, while simultaneously promoting long-term economic growth:

A transfer of labor services from the widget sector to the stake sector reduces human welfare at present but may raise welfare in the future (since an increase in stake production reduces the vampire population and thereby increases the future labor force whereby future widgets may be produced).


Wow, just think, vampires are the cure for the world's economic woes! They totally need to come out of the closet.

radamanthys
05-06-2009, 12:01 PM
LOL! You just reminded me of a puppet show I saw years ago that was about gay vampires with AIDS. It was called "Streets of Blood" and was, as you can imagine, weird as fuck.

Was that at the national museum of WTF?

droit
05-06-2009, 12:05 PM
Was that at the national museum of WTF?

More or less: The New York Theater Workshop, down in the East Village.

radamanthys
05-06-2009, 02:03 PM
More or less: The New York Theater Workshop, down in the East Village.

Yea, That'd do it.

Tisket
05-06-2009, 02:06 PM
Forgot to mention: I couldn't rep Cel for this thread yet so I substituted a five star rating instead. Vampires are almost as cool as zombies.

radamanthys
05-06-2009, 02:15 PM
Forgot to mention: I couldn't rep Cel for this thread yet so I substituted a five star rating instead. Vampires are almost as cool as zombies.

What about Werewolves? Where do they fit in on the cool-meter?

Proxy
05-06-2009, 02:46 PM
some where behind giant mutated killer squash... I think.

Methais
05-06-2009, 02:56 PM
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/12/09dec18-emo-for-life.jpg

Tisket
05-06-2009, 03:00 PM
What about Werewolves? Where do they fit in on the cool-meter?

I don't know, I watched that Michael J. Fox movie, Teenage Wolf or whatever it's called, and it turned me off on werewolves.

Sean of the Thread
05-06-2009, 03:05 PM
I still want to learn the physics of Tisket after her last post in the the pic thread.

Celephais
05-06-2009, 03:15 PM
Werewolves are kinda lame IMO ... zombies, vampires and banshees are were it's at.

Sean of the Thread
05-06-2009, 03:16 PM
What about shewolves?

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs32/f/2008/198/e/4/Sexy_Shewolf_by_SkyJaguar_TFproject.jpg

Methais
05-06-2009, 03:25 PM
She'd have to shave her ass first.


I don't know, I watched that Michael J. Fox movie, Teenage Wolf or whatever it's called, and it turned me off on werewolves.

That's like judging vampires after watching Twilight. Just not quite as bad, because Teen Wolf was so bad it was good. Twilight is so bad it's bad.

Proxy
05-06-2009, 03:25 PM
What about shewolves?

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs32/f/2008/198/e/4/Sexy_Shewolf_by_SkyJaguar_TFproject.jpg

ya know, for some strange reason I find that oddly aluring...


banshees are were it's at.

this is reminding me of that old Disney(it think) movie with the old irish dude running around. there where leprechauns, flying coatches, and other shenanigans, like him playing a fiddle while the leprechauns danced around... if only I could remember its name...

The Ponzzz
05-06-2009, 03:32 PM
ya know, for some strange reason I find that oddly aluring...



this is reminding me of that old Disney(it think) movie with the old irish dude running around. there where leprechauns, flying coatches, and other shenanigans, like him playing a fiddle while the leprechauns danced around... if only I could remember its name...

Do you like Italian men too?

Proxy
05-06-2009, 03:35 PM
Do you like Italian women too?

Fixed... & yes, yes I do.

Sean of the Thread
05-06-2009, 03:39 PM
I hope you like spending money at the laser hair removal too.

The Ponzzz
05-06-2009, 04:29 PM
Fixed... & yes, yes I do.

They have asses like that too. Maybe not at 25-30. But 50?

Tisket
05-06-2009, 04:34 PM
That's like judging vampires after watching Twilight. Just not quite as bad, because Teen Wolf was so bad it was good. Twilight is so bad it's bad.

You are probably right, I LOVED "American Werewolf in London" but that was mostly because of the humor and not the scary bits. Or rather, the bits that were supposed to be scary.

Methais
05-06-2009, 04:34 PM
What do those scribbles in the diary avatar say?

The Ponzzz
05-06-2009, 04:36 PM
Hid.

Mabus
05-06-2009, 04:58 PM
Wow, just think, vampires are the cure for the world's economic woes! They totally need to come out of the closet.
As soon as we can settle the vampire marriage issue...
;)

Mabus
05-06-2009, 04:59 PM
this is reminding me of that old Disney(it think) movie with the old irish dude running around. there where leprechauns, flying coatches, and other shenanigans, like him playing a fiddle while the leprechauns danced around... if only I could remember its name...
Darby O'Gill and the Little People? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darby_O%27Gill_and_the_Little_People)

Tisket
05-06-2009, 05:01 PM
As soon as we can settle the vampire marriage issue...
;)

lmao

Proxy
05-06-2009, 05:07 PM
Darby O'Gill and the Little People? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darby_O%27Gill_and_the_Little_People)

nope

Mabus
05-06-2009, 05:10 PM
nope
Well, not the best movie. But it is good to take out from the public library for free and give a watch if bored. It does have a fiddle playing fella, a pooka and leprechauns and such.

Best of luck, and if you remember please post the title.

Proxy
05-06-2009, 06:51 PM
alright, thank ocd. But seem the movie I'm thinking about is the 1959 release of Darby O'Gill and the Little People.

clips? Ok...

http://www.junkyardclubhouse.com/images/darby-ogill-and-king-brian-shar.jpg
http://www.junkyardclubhouse.com/images/darby-ogill-fiddles-a-tune-for.jpg

g-d I <3 that movie... good times