Main theme in Obama Administration?

[Parkbandit]

Never waste a good crisis, Clinton says on climate

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an audience Friday "never waste a good crisis," and highlighted the opportunity of rebuilding economies in a greener, less energy-intensive way.

Highlighting Europe's unease the day after Russia warned that gas flows via Ukraine might be halted, she also condemned the use of energy as a political lever.

Clinton told young Europeans at the European Parliament that global economic turmoil provided a fresh opening. "Never waste a good crisis ... Don't waste it when it can have a very positive impact on climate change and energy security," she said.

Europe sees the United States as a crucial ally in global climate talks in Copenhagen in December, after President Barack Obama signaled a new urgency in tackling climate change, in stark contrast to his predecessor George W. Bush.

Europe has already laid out plans to cut carbon dioxide emissions to about a fifth below 1990 levels in the next decade, while Obama has proposed a major shift toward renewable energy and a cap and trade system for CO2 emissions.

But with many countries in the grip of a punishing recession, some question whether businesses can muster the hundreds of billions of dollars needed to cut carbon emissions.

"Certainly the United States has been negligent in living up to its responsibilities," said Clinton, on her first visit to Europe as secretary of state.

"This is a propitious time ... we can actually begin to demonstrate our willingness to confront this."

http://in.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idINTRE5251VN20090306?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

I should be the last one to complain about the "New Green Deal" since I'll profit from it greatly.. but come on. Is their plan to really base the world's economy around global climate change? How about we FIX THE FUCKING ECONOMY FIRST AND THEN WORRY ABOUT YOUR FUCKING SPECIAL INTERESTS.

It's amazing how stupid people are.. that we can somehow control the climate. We could pump more money that Obama/Bush threw at the economy and not budge the global temperature a single degree. Psst.. look up in the sky.. there's a GIANT FUCKING NUCLEAR REACTION ONE MILLION TIMES THE SIZE OF THE EARTH GOING ON. MAYBE THAT HAS SOME FUCKING IMPACT ON THE TEMPERATURE OF THIS PLANET LIKE IT HAS OVER THE LAST 4.5 BILLION YEARS!?

[Apotheosis]

with no guarantee that moving in a "greener" direction will actually help the economy during this time of "crisis", our politicians are taking a huge gamble with taxpayer money.

clearly, we will see tax hikes in other areas besides income in the next 8 years... this will spread into middle class as well as lower income taxpayers.

[Parkbandit]

How about we responsibly spend the money that we've (unfortunately) decided to spend in a manner considerate of our environment?

In any case, this is hardly a change. What happened in the last 8 years? Rather than fix our problem (national security) we started a war that had nothing to do with it.

If we wanted to spend a trillion dollars on the Iraq war, wouldn't it have been better spent, oh, I don't know, securing our borders that, to this day, remain wildly insecure? No, because spending trillions overseas destroying Iraq (I'd call that a personal or "special interest") is somehow > having a secure border. I don't think I've ever seen a national tragedy exploited as much as 9/11 was.



And yet the general consensus of the scientific community is that man's actions are having an effect, though perhaps a questionable and arguable effect, on global temperatures. It's not unreasonable to assume that pumping out huge amounts of a substance known to increase temperatures in closed systems might have a--GASP--effect on temperature.

Do we see the government mandating that profitable, existing technologies like oil must stop be used (you could argue this, considering we're not allowing new refineries to be built)? Overall, not really. But we are spending money to incentivize the development of more efficient, renewable resources. Again, I don't see why this is a cause to get up in arms, although, like Rush, you often do for practically no reason at all.


Instead of saying "B-b-b-b-but Bush Spent Money Too", maybe start with this administration and work our way forward. Let's pretend that the money Bush negligently spent during the past 8 years is history and that we started out fresh and clean and articulate with the Obama Administration. You are starting to take WB's catch phrases and I'm pretty sure he's put a copyright on them already.

Throughout the history of our planet, there have been tremendous periods of climate change. Can you be certain that this isn't just one of them.. like there was in the late 1800's early 1900's? Some scientists are actually claiming that the Earth is due for another ice age... you know, since weather on this planet has always been cyclical. This is just a mechanism for the liberals to tax and spend.. to attempt to redistribute wealth... on a global scale.

[Ignot]

Psst.. look up in the sky.. there's a GIANT FUCKING NUCLEAR REACTION ONE MILLION TIMES THE SIZE OF THE EARTH GOING ON. MAYBE THAT HAS SOME FUCKING IMPACT ON THE TEMPERATURE OF THIS PLANET LIKE IT HAS OVER THE LAST 4.5 BILLION YEARS!?

LoL. Did you just google that or something? Are you saying the Sun is sending out more heat then it has in the past? You clearly don't know anything about stars and how the Earth protects itself from solar rays and solar storms. If you did, then you would know how important it is. Without an ozone layer protecting us then all life on earth would be dead. I think that the ozone is naturally depleting and our own actions are accelerating it. If we have reason to believe that something human beings are doing is damaging the ozone don't you think we should try to do something about it? Or are you one of those, "it won't happen in my lifetime so who cares" people? I would like to see our economy fixed too. I would like to see us take a breather and stop sending troops to other countries. I am, however, not naive enough to realize that there will always be excuses to not do something. If we are rebuilding the economy then it is a good time to make changes, whatever those changes may be. I am 100% sure that the leaders of our nation are smarter then you and make better decisions then you. Take a day off, PB. :club:

[Daniel]

You do realize that "environmentalism" is a lot more than "Global Warming" right?

[Stanley Burrell]

I wish I had a 200-sided die that I could just roll and it would have a race or ethnicity, or political party, etc. on each side, so I could know who to blame for stuff on a daily basis.

I just thought of this right now, which is why I am awesome.

[crazymage]

we better annex mexico if there's going to be another ice age, I SAW DAY AFTER TOMORROW.

[Gan]

we better annex mexico if there's going to be another ice age, I SAW DAY AFTER TOMORROW.

Amen!

[Stanley Burrell]

we better annex mexico if there's going to be another ice age, I SAW DAY AFTER TOMORROW.

If you annex Mexico, you have to fight this guy:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/50/DesperadoMAc10case-2.jpg/500px-DesperadoMAc10case-2.jpg

I saw Desperado.

[Jace Solo]

This just in. There's actually more ice up north and down south than we though. The previous measurements that were taken measured the amount of solid mass above water. Scientists have since checked under the break to find that the amount of ice is actually increasing "under the water" where it's colder. This makes the land mass heavy enough to sink a larger amount of ice mass under the water...making it seem like there is actually less land mass (which there is) but that means that we're moving in the opposite direction than previously, and ferociously defended.

In other news, Al Gore has retracted a great deal of his statements and prophecies from his Nobel Prize winning documentary because the scientific basis points in the opposite direction.

Lastly...
I just found out what "a cap and trade system for CO2 emissions" will consist of. The government will produce "CO2 Bonds" that companies will have to buy over and above what the (soon to be) established government caps on CO2 emission per business.
What implications does this have? Business that are already hurting for money to create jobs and pay their own operating costs will be subjected to more of their income lost to cover "CO2 Bonds" over and above the extreme costs to convert to a green way of doing business. Measurements of how much CO2 you are putting out will be dictated by a government agent who will come measure them with a magic wand. Wonder if that leaves room for error?

[Parkbandit]

LoL. Did you just google that or something? Are you saying the Sun is sending out more heat then it has in the past? You clearly don't know anything about stars and how the Earth protects itself from solar rays and solar storms. If you did, then you would know how important it is. Without an ozone layer protecting us then all life on earth would be dead. I think that the ozone is naturally depleting and our own actions are accelerating it. If we have reason to believe that something human beings are doing is damaging the ozone don't you think we should try to do something about it? Or are you one of those, "it won't happen in my lifetime so who cares" people? I would like to see our economy fixed too. I would like to see us take a breather and stop sending troops to other countries. I am, however, not naive enough to realize that there will always be excuses to not do something. If we are rebuilding the economy then it is a good time to make changes, whatever those changes may be. I am 100% sure that the leaders of our nation are smarter then you and make better decisions then you. Take a day off, PB. :club:


You should read up on the sun and the nuclear reaction going on there.. and how the the temperatures are not 100% the same every moment of every day of every year.

Here's a great picture of what I'm talking about and how ignorant it is to think that man can somehow prevent it from heating up the earth:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/158270main_solarflare.jpg

[radamanthys]

I have a great solution to solve all our world problems (the dem talking points, at least): Hunger, global warming, poverty, etc.

Wanna hear it?





Kill everyone.

[Parkbandit]

This just in. There's actually more ice up north and down south than we though. The previous measurements that were taken measured the amount of solid mass above water. Scientists have since checked under the break to find that the amount of ice is actually increasing "under the water" where it's colder. This makes the land mass heavy enough to sink a larger amount of ice mass under the water...making it seem like there is actually less land mass (which there is) but that means that we're moving in the opposite direction than previously, and ferociously defended.

In other news, Al Gore has retracted a great deal of his statements and prophecies from his Nobel Prize winning documentary because the scientific basis points in the opposite direction.

Lastly...
I just found out what "a cap and trade system for CO2 emissions" will consist of. The government will produce "CO2 Bonds" that companies will have to buy over and above what the (soon to be) established government caps on CO2 emission per business.
What implications does this have? Business that are already hurting for money to create jobs and pay their own operating costs will be subjected to more of their income lost to cover "CO2 Bonds" over and above the extreme costs to convert to a green way of doing business. Measurements of how much CO2 you are putting out will be dictated by a government agent who will come measure them with a magic wand. Wonder if that leaves room for error?

Holy shit, someone gets it.

Cap and Trade is designed to reduce CO2 emmissions from large producers.. but it will actually have the opposite effect on the large companies.

http://articles.latimes.com/p/2008/mar/10/opinion/ed-captrade10

California deregulated its electricity industry in 1998, and shortly afterward the lights went out. Apparently, regulators hadn’t realized how easy it would be for unscrupulous traders such as Enron to manipulate the state’s power market once it was open to competition; the results were rolling blackouts and skyrocketing electricity charges. Californians are for all this – in many areas, power bills are inflated with extra fees to cover bonds and other expenses incurred during the disastrous experiment.

We bring up this painful history because the state is about to embark on a new program that will radically impact utility regulation. This time, it’s being driven by an environmental imperative: With the effects of global warming becoming more apparent daily, the state has committed to cut its greenhouse gases 25% by 2020, and electricity generation is the state’s second-biggest source of greenhouse emissions after the transportation sector. To spur the needed changes, regulators are designing a cap-and-trade program, in which carbon emissions are capped and power generators can trade carbon credits – permits to pollute – among themselves. This is a staggeringly complex undertaking that will once again create opportunities for dishonest traders to manipulate the market.

In other words, unless the cap-and-trade program is designed extraordinarily well, we could be looking at deregulation d�j� vu. And the consequences won’t just be higher power bills. If California, which leads the country in addressing the threat of global warming, gets this program wrong, it could discredit efforts to fight the problem nationwide, if not worldwide.

This page has addressed the many dangers ,0,2888366.story inherent in cap-and-trade programs (see the “A Warming World” series at latimes.com/news/ opinion). To sum up: Carbon-trading markets are easy to manipulate and produce volatile energy prices, and the political influence of business and other lobbies can skew the system to produce unfair outcomes. On top of all that, California faces a special complication that would make its program the riskiest ever undertaken.

Cap and trade has proved a winning strategy in the U.S. for reducing emissions that cause acid rain. It’s also being tried in Europe for carbon emissions, though its progress there so far has been rocky. All existing cap-and-trade programs have one thing in common: They regulate the source of the emissions. The power plant or refinery or factory churning out the carbon is responsible for controlling its own emissions and trading credits. That won’t work in California, because from 22% to 32% of our power is generated out of state, and California can’t regulate plants outside its borders. Moreover, those out-of-state plants tend to be much dirtier than local ones. So how does a statewide cap-and-trade program account for all that pollution?

The solution proposed by the California Public Utilities Commission, which is developing the outlines of the program (the final decisions will be made by the state Air Resources Board, but the PUC’s recommendations will carry a lot of weight), is to regulate the “first deliverer” of electricity. This is whatever entity sells power to the California grid.

A lot of this outside power comes not from individual plants but middlemen who buy power from plants all over the Western U.S. and sell it to investor-owned utilities in California. It’s very hard to track where these power wholesalers are getting their juice. That presents an invitation for power dealers to game the system by pretending they’re selling clean power when it’s really dirty. It’s also questionable whether the program would reduce emissions. If power wholesalers are the ones responsible for buying carbon credits, there’s little incentive for dirty plants outside California to clean up their act.

Carbon taxes are a simpler, harder to manipulate and less economically damaging way to make polluters pay the costs of their environmental damage than cap and trade. Yet because taxes have so little political support, California regulators are charging ahead with a far riskier strategy, which has never been tested. Cap and trade stands a decent chance of working at the national level, where individual power plants could be regulated regardless of which state they’re in, but California will be asking for trouble if it imposes a statewide program.

The PUC is expected to finalize its recommendations in August, after which they’ll be considered by the air board. If it goes ahead with cap and trade, you might get a shock from your power bill. And be sure to keep plenty of candles on hand.

[Parkbandit]

Here's another picture to help you visualize how small we are in the scope of things:

http://www.quantrek.org/size_comparison/compare_sun.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Don't forget that the Earth's magnetic fields appear to be changing polarity, which if that happens will disrupt non-land line communications and virtually all electronics! We need an initiative to pack the poles with magnets to prevent this.

[Faent]

Here's another picture to help you visualize how small we are in the scope of things:

I get it. Global warming is impossible and, indeed, obviously false because the earth is small.

[Mtenda]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/25581BP~Simpsons-Say-Global-Warming-Is-A-Myth-Posters.jpg

[ViridianAsp]

Am I the only one who doesn't care? I mean, I'm just going to kick back and welcome the death of this planet.

[CrystalTears]

There are differing scientific opinions regarding who/what is the cause of global warming, so either side calling the other stupid is in and of itself stupid.

I also don't think it is entirely about global warming, so not sure what the big deal is with what was posted. :shrug:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Am I the only one who doesn't care? I mean, I'm just going to kick back and welcome the death of this planet.

I plan on being long gone before the planet dies. Unless cyborg technology gets better...

[Tolwynn]

The amazing thing is, there was global warming and cooling well before humanity even existed, but a lot of people seem determined to ignore that.

The planet is not a static system.

It adjusts and self-corrects, though in longer spans of time than many seem willing to consider.

There are also perturbations, and such things as century events.

A lot of people jumped up and down saying global warming caused more and stronger hurricanes, and pointed to the record high amount of hurricanes in 2005, and yet... the following year was unusually mild, as hurricanes go.

Did global warming all of a sudden stop in 2006?

Or is there perhaps more to the picture than the few bullet points both sides like to trumpet ad nauseam?

[Mtenda]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-tree-hugger-panda.jpg

[Tolwynn]

Do you somehow think this is a revelation that only you have had, and that no one else has considered it in their calculations of humanity's effect on the already existing shifts?

Did I ever say that I thought it was?

And it's fairly apparent that some learned people are quite happily ignoring it when they make proclamations about the hurricanes, for example.

[Parkbandit]

I get it. Global warming is impossible and, indeed, obviously false because the earth is small.

Here is where you fail at reading, at everything and especially at life. You and Assliana would make a cute couple... give It your number.

For someone who pretends to be somewhat intelligent, you've yet to prove you can even comprehend a single post.

OR.. maybe you would like to quote my post where I stated that global warming was impossible. Start there.. I'll await the quote.

[ViridianAsp]

humans could not possibly be responsible for any warming trend, to any conceivable degree! LOOK AT HOW BIG IT IS!



OF COURSE HUMANS ARE! God is punishing us.

He could have said something like that, give him a little credit. And honestly, you are the last person who should be berating anyone.

[Parkbandit]

No, but people like ParkAsshat do. Posting a picture of the sun somehow means that, since the majority of energy raining on Earth comes from the sun, somehow humans could not possibly be responsible for any warming trend, to any conceivable degree! LOOK AT HOW BIG IT IS!

Findings before facts. It's a classic example of the neocon mentality, and one he's embraced completely.


Awe.. Assliana is upset at me again today. It's strange (much like you) that you find issue with my posts.. yet when someone else posts a very similar viewpoint and calls you out on your responses, you claim "I MEANT PB DOES!"

Seriously It.. while I welcome you back to the PC for all that you bring, you should seriously at least TRY to get past things. Have I ever mentioned that I'm sorry for not being more sympathetic to how you hate yourself, your life and your sexuality?

Here is my viewpoint on global warming.. one that I've often posted on these very forums:

Man has a responsibility to be a good stewards of this planet and should do everything in their ability to conserve energy, not pollute his/her/It's environment and use the earth's resources responsibly. In that same breath, I do not believe that man is solely responsible for raising the earth's temperature to a degree that is claimed, nor do I believe that man can somehow lower the entire global temperature by doing anything. I believe that this planet has gone through many, many temperature changes throughout the 4.5 billion years of it's existence and that these temperature changes will continue in the past regardless of what man does.

[Faent]

"Fagint"? Nice try, but I think I win with "Assbandit".

[Gan]

:popcorn:

4 red boxes... thats fucking awesome.

[Back]

Never waste a good crisis, Clinton says on climate

I should be the last one to complain about the "New Green Deal" since I'll profit from it greatly.. but come on. Is their plan to really base the world's economy around global climate change? How about we FIX THE FUCKING ECONOMY FIRST AND THEN WORRY ABOUT YOUR FUCKING SPECIAL INTERESTS.

It's amazing how stupid people are.. that we can somehow control the climate. We could pump more money that Obama/Bush threw at the economy and not budge the global temperature a single degree. Psst.. look up in the sky.. there's a GIANT FUCKING NUCLEAR REACTION ONE MILLION TIMES THE SIZE OF THE EARTH GOING ON. MAYBE THAT HAS SOME FUCKING IMPACT ON THE TEMPERATURE OF THIS PLANET LIKE IT HAS OVER THE LAST 4.5 BILLION YEARS!?

Wow. UNLEASH THE FUCKING ALLCAPS FURY!!!!11!!

That will make you seem sane and sober in your assesments.


In reply to the OMG THE DEMS ARE SOCIALISTS!! the-sky-is-falling hysteria...

1. “Never waste a good crisis” is not partisan. Choosing the crisis is. Terrorism, or 9-11, defined Bush’s term. And he did have a lot of support for that.

2. The economy is the very much on Obama’s list of things to fix from the last 8 years and legislation has already passed on that, what, 2 months into his term? It is safe to say he realizes and is addressing the current crisis.

3. I agree with you on the environment thing. There is no reason we cannot, and should not, be greener and make a profit from it.

4. I disagree with you that mankind has not had an influence on the atmosphere.

[Parkbandit]

"Fagint"? Nice try, but I think I win with "Assbandit".


Yea.. I tried to match your 2nd grade level of insults and failed.


You won the 2nd grade. Grats.

[Faent]

Originally Posted by Cock Gobbling Man Wishing He Was A Woman Instead Idiot


Yea.. I tried to match your 2nd grade level of insults and failed. You won the 2nd grade. Grats.

Correct. You lost what you started. If you can't even succeed at the second grade level, why should we believe you have a chance at the high school level?

[Ignot]

You should read up on the sun and the nuclear reaction going on there.. and how the the temperatures are not 100% the same every moment of every day of every year.

Here's a great picture of what I'm talking about and how ignorant it is to think that man can somehow prevent it from heating up the earth:


I don't recall saying the Sun is 100% the same every moment of every day of every year, but that's typical of how I would expect you to respond. I actually agree with you and think the Earth is changing temperature both naturally and because of Man. I think that's pretty obvious. That being said, I don't think we have a responsibility to try and change the Earth's natural cycle but I think we do have a responsibility of fixing our mistakes and/or avoid accelerating the process. There is no need to add fuel to the fire by depleting the ozone, for example. Now do you understand were some people are coming from?

[Gan]

2. The economy is the very much on Obama’s list of things to fix from the last 8 years and legislation has already passed on that, what, 2 months into his term? It is safe to say he realizes and is addressing the current crisis.

Thats right folks, you heard it here first. Back and Obama are fucking ON IT! Everybody go back to your cubicle, there's nothing more to see here. This recession is FUCKING PWNNN3D!

This public service announcement brought to you by ziploc, zigzag, and build a better bong ltd.

[Warriorbird]

I wish that had been identified as a global warming discussion before I spent my time opening it.

[Apotheosis]

I think anyone, with a high-school level understanding of science, and a little common sense, understands that this issue isn't one to panic about.

In the middle ages, and even prior to that, alchemists were rushing to be the first to create "the philosopher's stone".....

modern science has proven alchemy as a futile pursuit, simply because, due to certain "laws" of science, what it tried to accomplish was impossible, at least at this point in time.

fast forward to the enlightenment, when "spontaneous generation" was the latest rage in how beings came to life...


the point is, throughout history, science has always been wrong more often that it was right.

While I'm not saying that we're having an impact on the environment, my concern is that many of these "scientists" trying to point out that global warming is an issue that we should care about are seeking prestige, attention, grant money, or even have a vested financial interest in cap & trade programs coouuuuuAL GOREuuuugh.

You see, Chicken little cried the sky is falling, and there was a boy who cried wolf all the time.....

alarmists & outright deniers need to stay the fuck out of the decision making process, because they already have a biased opinion.


Honestly, I feel that the global warming debate is similar to the one about light, does it travel in photons or waves?

[Back]

Thats right folks, you heard it here first. Back and Obama are fucking ON IT! Everybody go back to your cubicle, there's nothing more to see here. This recession is FUCKING PWNNN3D!

This public service announcement brought to you by ziploc, zigzag, and build a better bong ltd.

Jesus (Hey Suess)! Troll much?

Trolling. When you really don’t have anything to say about a relevant topic.

[Warriorbird]

Nah. Trolling is for the lulz.

[Back]

Nah. Trolling is for the lulz.

Yeah? 4. could have been quoted for hilarity but Gan just isn’t that funny.

Funny as in having a sense of humor (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/humor?qsrc=2888).

[Parkbandit]

I think anyone, with a high-school level understanding of science, and a little common sense, understands that this issue isn't one to panic about.

In the middle ages, and even prior to that, alchemists were rushing to be the first to create "the philosopher's stone".....

modern science has proven alchemy as a futile pursuit, simply because, due to certain "laws" of science, what it tried to accomplish was impossible, at least at this point in time.

fast forward to the enlightenment, when "spontaneous generation" was the latest rage in how beings came to life...


the point is, throughout history, science has always been wrong more often that it was right.

While I'm not saying that we're having an impact on the environment, my concern is that many of these "scientists" trying to point out that global warming is an issue that we should care about are seeking prestige, attention, grant money, or even have a vested financial interest in cap & trade programs coouuuuuAL GOREuuuugh.

You see, Chicken little cried the sky is falling, and there was a boy who cried wolf all the time.....

alarmists & outright deniers need to stay the fuck out of the decision making process, because they already have a biased opinion.


Honestly, I feel that the global warming debate is similar to the one about light, does it travel in photons or waves?


WHAT!? That's crazy talk. This debate is over, the consensus is in. We are in serious trouble if we don't act and act now to spend TRILLIONS cooling off this planet. I mean, FUCK, don't you remember the 1970's and how we were victorious over global cooling!?

http://el8.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/global-cooling.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Jesus (Hey Suess)! Troll much?

Trolling. When you really don’t have anything to say about a relevant topic.


I had to quote this before (if) Backlash ever realizes how rediculous this sounds coming from him.

[Gan]

I admit it.
I laughed.
Just not with him.

[Daniel]

You do realize that "environmentalism" is a lot more than "Global Warming" right?

Guess not

[Parkbandit]

Guess not


Since I never brought up environmentalism and focused on global warming, I thought you were just posting your typical nonsense.

Thank you for your contribution once again Captain Obvious. Hey, maybe later you can tell us that energy doesn't just mean electricity?

Here, have a pin as a consolation prize:

http://rlv.zcache.com/captain_obvious_button-p145759467563337507t5sj_400.jpg

[Daniel]

Since I never brought up environmentalism

You didn't. Hillary Clinton did and so has the Administration. Hence my point.

[radamanthys]

http://www.glasgow-chiropractor.com/images/pd_headache_070808_ms.jpg

Anyone have a bottle of Aspirin? I facepalmed so hard that now I have a headache. :-(

[Parkbandit]

You didn't. Hillary Clinton did and so has the Administration. Hence my point.

I guess you missed the article I quoted and linked. Here's the main point I was referring to:


Never waste a good crisis ... Don't waste it when it can have a very positive impact on climate change and energy security

The Obama Administration has claimed plenty about every political subject... but I wasn't quoting any of them but this one.

[Daniel]

Tell me, PB. What does "Energy Security" mean to you? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should read the second half of the article.

[Parkbandit]

Tell me, PB. What does "Energy Security" mean to you? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should read the second half of the article.

Once again, I didn't focus on anything else but what I quoted. You should as well.. lest you just be off topic.

Is it really that difficult to remain on topic? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should have someone read my original post again to you.. using smaller words and/or pictures.

[Daniel]

Once again, I didn't focus on anything else but what I quoted. You should as well.. lest you just be off topic.

Is it really that difficult to remain on topic? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should have someone read my original post again to you.. using smaller words and/or pictures.

So, let me get this straight. You taking things out of context and mis representing is okay? But me pointing out that is exactly what you were doing is "Off topic"?

Hahaha. Right.

[Parkbandit]

So, let me get this straight. You taking things out of context and mis representing is okay? But me pointing out that is exactly what you were doing is "Off topic"?

Hahaha. Right.


Feel free to set the Administration's record straight Danny boy. The floor is yours... I'm certain you can come up with more than 1-2 sentence replies to really dive into the article I linked and tell us all how it really is.

I await this brilliant synopsis of how when Clinton stated: "Never waste a good crisis ... Don't waste it when it can have a very positive impact on climate change and energy security" it was taken completely out of context and misconstrued.

[Daniel]

Tell me, PB. What does "Energy Security" mean to you? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should read the second half of the article.


Once again, I didn't focus on anything else but what I quoted. You should as well.. lest you just be off topic.

Is it really that difficult to remain on topic? If you're having problems understanding it, then maybe you should have someone read my original post again to you.. using smaller words and/or pictures.


Feel free to set the Administration's record straight Danny boy. The floor is yours... I'm certain you can come up with more than 1-2 sentence replies to really dive into the article I linked and tell us all how it really is.

I await this brilliant synopsis of how when Clinton stated: "Never waste a good crisis ... Don't waste it when it can have a very positive impact on climate change and energy security" it was taken completely out of context and misconstrued.

You must be trying to be this stupid.

[Ignot]

:rofl:

[Cephalopod]

Did someone already say "Don't Stop", by Fleetwood Mac? No, that was Clinton's...

Wait, this isn't about the presidential theme song? What?

[Parkbandit]

Oh.. I didn't realize you keep changing your position. Here was your original "point", which you once again quoted. I guess since you didn't really have a point there, you decided to switch it?


You do realize that "environmentalism" is a lot more than "Global Warming" right?

Or wait.. are you now saying that Energy Security is environmentalism?

You don't have to try to be this stupid.. it's something I've come to expect from you on a consistent basis.

[Daniel]

Or wait.. are you now saying that Energy Security is environmentalism?

You don't have to try to be this stupid.. it's something I've come to expect from you on a consistent basis.

Yes. I used environmentalism as a general term to encompass both of the terms used as they both pertain to utilizing the world's resources more wisely, hence environmentalism. It's not that hard of a concept. Too bad it took you this long to pick up onit.

[Ignot]

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[Faent]

You must be trying to be this stupid.


You don't have to try to be this stupid.. it's something I've come to expect from you on a consistent basis.

My lord you are so clever, PB. For god sake's, man, at least try to put your heart and mind into your insults a little more. A good insult is the only thing that could make your posts worth reading.

[Parkbandit]

My lord you are so clever, PB. For god sake's, man, at least try to put your heart and mind into your insults a little more. A good insult is the only thing that could make your posts worth reading.

Again boy, I'm not here for you. Feel free to skip over my posts, since I return the favor. Except when you are QQing over a mean old editor not publishing your latest masterpiece.

How's that going by the way? We still don't have a link to this fantastic literary work yet.. STILL not published?

[Ignot]

For god sake's, man, at least try to put your heart and mind into your insults a little more.



Except when you are QQing over a mean old editor not publishing your latest masterpiece.

How's that going by the way? We still don't have a link to this fantastic literary work yet.. STILL not published?

:clap:

[Parkbandit]

:clap:

Probably the most intelligent thing you've posted on this message board in quite some time. While the context was incorrect, you were able to put ":" around the word clap and you didn't fuck it up.

Fantastic. There IS hope for you.

[Ignot]

Probably the most intelligent thing you've posted on this message board in quite some time. While the context was incorrect, you were able to put ":" around the word clap and you didn't fuck it up.

Fantastic. There IS hope for you.

You are really embarrassing yourself in this thread.

[Faent]

You are really embarrassing yourself in this thread.

It's an embarrassment that we don't have laws passed in this country that make it illegal for PB to post. Why hasn't the government taken away his keyboard yet?


How's that going by the way? We still don't have a link to this fantastic literary work yet.. STILL not published?

No you sad little fuck. It's still under review where it will probably be for at least another few weeks. And the longer it stays under review the more the chances go up that it will be published this go-round. I hope the temperature in your hoopty is comfortable.

[Parkbandit]

It's an embarrassment that we don't have laws passed in this country that make it illegal for PB to post. Why hasn't the government taken away his keyboard yet?



No you sad little fuck. It's still under review where it will probably be for at least another few weeks. And the longer it stays under review the more the chances go up that it will be published this go-round. I hope the temperature in your hoopty is comfortable.

ROFL!

Do post it when it does get published! I know I'm just tingling with anticipation.

PS - My "jacked up truck" is probably worth more than everything you have combined... well, before you become this world renowned author.

[Faent]

I know I'm just tingling with anticipation.

No, that's just your seat vibrating from the jackhammers pounding away. (I leave you to fantasize about that at which they're pounding away.)

[Parkbandit]

No, that's just your seat vibrating from the jackhammers pounding away. (I leave you to fantasize about that at which they're pounding away.)


Leave it to you to bring about your own homosexual fantasies into every conversation.

Have you come out yet, or are you still pretending to be an evil breeder?

[Faent]

Leave it to you to bring about your own homosexual fantasies into every conversation.

If I were to have homosexual fantasies, I would be perfectly comfortable with them. (Unlike, for example, you. You would probably shoot yourself despite the fact that you may claim to have "gay friends".) But, sadly, I do not have them. I also do not intend to breed. A lack of a desire to propagate is something I require in a partner. I am aware that this will comfort you.