Obama Ruins the Army

[ClydeR]

Stretched thin in Afghanistan and Iraq, the American military will begin recruiting skilled immigrants who are living in this country with temporary visas, offering them the chance to become United States citizens in as little as six months.

Immigrants who are permanent residents, with documents commonly known as green cards, have long been eligible to enlist. But the new effort, for the first time since the Vietnam War, will open the armed forces to temporary immigrants if they have lived in the United States for a minimum of two years, according to military officials familiar with the plan.

Recruiters expect that the temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many Americans who enlist, helping the military to fill shortages in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis.

More... (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html)

Obama has been in office less than a month, and he is already messing up both the military and our immigration policy. We don't need more immigrants, and we definitely don't need a military with fewer Americans in it.

Besides that, it will let undercover terrorists into the military.

[Back]

Where is your family from? Or were you born in a laboratory?

[Gan]

Where is your family from? Or were you born in a laboratory?

You're one to talk...

[Parkbandit]

Where is your family from? Or were you born in a laboratory?


What does this even mean? Are you suggesting that the US should employ the same immigration policies it did in the 1700's? 1800's?

You're an idiot.

[Back]

Uh, the Pentagon seems to favor this idea. How then is Obama ruining the army?

[Ignot]

Obama has been in office less than a month, and he is already messing up both the military and our immigration policy. We don't need more immigrants, and we definitely don't need a military with fewer Americans in it.

Besides that, it will let undercover terrorists into the military.

I don't see how this ruins the military and after reading the article I think it sounds like a good idea. If your only argument is that it lets undercover terrorists in then your argument is pretty weak. Maybe I'm wrong for making the assumption that our military will be able to intercept a terrorist joining the ranks.

[ClydeR]

Where is your family from? Or were you born in a laboratory?

My family is from the good ol' US of A.

[Faent]

What does this even mean? Are you suggesting that the US should employ the same immigration policies it did in the 1700's? 1800's?

Yes. You probably spend half your time out on the border with your guns praying you can shoot a Mexican, don't you?

[ClydeR]

I don't see how this ruins the military and after reading the article I think it sounds like a good idea. If your only argument is that it lets undercover terrorists in then your argument is pretty weak. Maybe I'm wrong for making the assumption that our military will be able to intercept a terrorist joining the ranks.

The terrorist threat is real. Using the Google, I was able to find a real example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asan_Akbar) lickety split.

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces. They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission. Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.

[Back]

rofl.

[Mtenda]

The terrorist threat is real. Using the Google, I was able to find a real example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asan_Akbar) lickety split.

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces. They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission. Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.

Wait what? Since when did the soldiers have a say in the culture of the military? If they are on a mission they either do the job or GTFO. No different from any American citizen serving. Sounds like you just generally offended by people from cultures outside of your own.

[Methais]

Recruiters expect that the temporary immigrants will have more education, foreign language skills and professional expertise than many Americans who enlist, helping the military to fill shortages in medical care, language interpretation and field intelligence analysis.

What good is any of that if they can't speak English?

[Mtenda]

What good is any of that if they can't speak English?

Well there is the minimum of having lived in the US for two years. Perhaps there would be some sort of English test before they can enlist?

[Methais]

Well there is the minimum of having lived in the US for two years. Perhaps there would be some sort of English test before they can enlist?

Then liberals will say that that's unconstitutional or something, and that we should embrace multiple languages in our military, with something ridiculous like how it could be used to confuse the enemy at crucial moments in battle, and that requiring them to speak fluent English in order to fight for the US military is racist.

[Mtenda]

Then liberals will say that that's unconstitutional or something, and that we should embrace multiple languages in our military, with something ridiculous like how it could be used to confuse the enemy at crucial moments in battle, and that requiring them to speak fluent English in order to fight for the US military is racist.

Can't tell if you are being facetious or not but I consider myself a social liberal and nobody I know with similar values would say that. The whole benefit of them being able to speak foreign languages is to improve communication. Not sure how anyone could say that requiring people to speak the native language is anything but a rule set up for improved communication also. Possibly some extremist retards?

[Methais]

Possibly some extremist retards?

Like the ones running the country now?

[Mtenda]

Like the ones running the country now?

Who is saying that about immigrants joining the military?

[CrystalTears]

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces. They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission. Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.
I already neg repped this fiasco of a post, but I just had to :rofl: again.

I see nothing wrong with this. Immigrants will show their appreciation for this country by serving it. BFD.

Fucktard.

[Ignot]

The terrorist threat is real. Using the Google, I was able to find a real example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asan_Akbar) lickety split.

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces. They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission. Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.

:rofl: Wait, that was a joke right?

[Carnivale]

It's too bad that the army is ruined.

Can we spend less money on it now?

[Mtenda]

:rofl: Wait, that was a joke right?

Seriously. If someone who has lived in this country for two or more years dies so that he can continue to live his cozy little life of believing everything he reads he won't honor them? :rofl:

[Fallen]

There is no way they would allow someone in the army who cannot speak english. I imagine the ASVAB (or whatever it is) must be in english. I have had sergeants with thick accents, but they all spoke/understood english. The lack of communication would be a serious problem.

[Jace Solo]

I just finished my military obligation. There are some of you who remember when I was over in the desert. My unit had two companies from PR. Only about half of them spoke English. I can't tell you how hard it is to fix/operate a helo when you're being stared at with a blank face because they didn't understand I just asked someone to operate the lift system.

No, they get an assistant to read the ASVAB to them and they answer to the assistant. Assistant gets to put in whatever he or she wishes, regardless of if it was the real answer (little cheating never got anyone killed right?). Assistant is usually a recruiter (gotta get them in for the bonus!).

My commander (who had not been privy to the lack of communication prior to deployment) grounded all of the crew chiefs that could not speak English clearly because it's even harder to understand people over the radio...specifically why we use BRAVO, FOXTROT instead of saying B and F so that we can understand Blue Falcons (or buddy f*ckers, for anyone who hasn't served) when they are making mistakes all over the board and getting people killed. Sure, most were good people who meant well...but that doesn't save your bird from crashing cause they hit the wrong switch while you're out on a mission or how I, a medic, could diagnose someone who is yelling at me in Spanish.
I suppose now I should learn the languages of every other country in the world so that I am not a raciest elitist. Gosh, and I thought I was just some poor kid from North Florida.

[Mtenda]

I just finished my military obligation. There are some of you who remember when I was over in the desert. My unit had two companies from PR. Only about half of them spoke English. I can't tell you how hard it is to fix/operate a helo when you're being stared at with a blank face because they didn't understand I just asked someone to operate the lift system.

No, they get an assistant to read the ASVAB to them and they answer to the assistant. Assistant gets to put in whatever he or she wishes, regardless of if it was the real answer (little cheating never got anyone killed right?). Assistant is usually a recruiter (gotta get them in for the bonus!).

My commander (who had not been privy to the lack of communication prior to deployment) grounded all of the crew chiefs that could not speak English clearly because it's even harder to understand people over the radio...specifically why we use BRAVO, FOXTROT instead of saying B and F so that we can understand Blue Falcons (or buddy f*ckers, for anyone who hasn't served) when they are making mistakes all over the board and getting people killed. Sure, most were good people who meant well...but that doesn't save your bird from crashing cause they hit the wrong switch while you're out on a mission or how I, a medic, could diagnose someone who is yelling at me in Spanish.
I suppose now I should learn the languages of every other country in the world so that I am not a raciest elitist. Gosh, and I thought I was just some poor kid from North Florida.

So then our military fucked up by not providing proper training to soldiers and thus putting other properly trained soldiers at risk? That's fucked up and should surely be remedied. Personally, I don't think the remedy is to not let immigrants in at all. I'm not sure what your stance is on the issue of this thread?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces. They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission. Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.

I bet they're already working on an enchilada MRE

:rofl:

[Methais]

I bet they're already working on an enchilada MRE

:rofl:

Pretty sure they have them already.


I just finished my military obligation. There are some of you who remember when I was over in the desert. My unit had two companies from PR. Only about half of them spoke English. I can't tell you how hard it is to fix/operate a helo when you're being stared at with a blank face because they didn't understand I just asked someone to operate the lift system.

No, they get an assistant to read the ASVAB to them and they answer to the assistant. Assistant gets to put in whatever he or she wishes, regardless of if it was the real answer (little cheating never got anyone killed right?). Assistant is usually a recruiter (gotta get them in for the bonus!).

My commander (who had not been privy to the lack of communication prior to deployment) grounded all of the crew chiefs that could not speak English clearly because it's even harder to understand people over the radio...specifically why we use BRAVO, FOXTROT instead of saying B and F so that we can understand Blue Falcons (or buddy f*ckers, for anyone who hasn't served) when they are making mistakes all over the board and getting people killed. Sure, most were good people who meant well...but that doesn't save your bird from crashing cause they hit the wrong switch while you're out on a mission or how I, a medic, could diagnose someone who is yelling at me in Spanish.
I suppose now I should learn the languages of every other country in the world so that I am not a raciest elitist. Gosh, and I thought I was just some poor kid from North Florida.

RACIST! HOW DARE YOU EXPECT PEOPLE IN THE US MILITARY TO SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!11

[Sean of the Thread]

And I apologize to all my Marine brothers out here... but I'm most likely enlisting in the army either as a warrant officer or back to e-4.


sorry and semper fi.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Pretty sure they have them already.

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Methais]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gif Obama Ruins the Army (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=891335#post891335) 02-16-2009 02:30 PM This post is stupid.

It was so stupid that you couldn't post that in the thread, nor could you sign your rep.

Your rep is stupid.

You're stupid.

And gay.

And liberal.

[DeV]

I just finished my military obligation. There are some of you who remember when I was over in the desert. My unit had two companies from PR. Only about half of them spoke English.This says more about military recruitment in Puerto Rico than anything else. The fact that only about half of them spoke English is also telling considering English is taught in schools up to the twelfth grade, so they should have a basic understanding at the very least.

[sst]

The terrorist threat is real. Using the Google, I was able to find a real example (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asan_Akbar) lickety split.

Besides, the terrorist threat is not the only problem. I hope you realize that a military made up of immigrants will change the cultural norms of our armed forces.
It already is, there are a lot of people who join the military for a fast track to citizenship and more power to them, if they want to fight side by side with us for the U.S. then let’s have them. I believe there was a 2 year minimum obligation for citizenship.


They will, for example, insist of taking siestas at certain times of the day, which will delay their mission.
Just like with religion in the military, you are allowed to practice your faith (or cultural norms) as long as it does not interfere with the mission, or else there are non judicial and/or judicial repercussions to not following orders.


Another example is that a majority-immigrant military will strain our supply lines, with their insistence on specialized food. I'm not even going to elaborate on the food issue. I think you can now see how it will be a problem.
How is it an issue, we already have specialized food choices in the military. There are Halal MRE's and Vegetarian MRE's.

[sst]

Pretty sure they have them already.


They do, and if you mix it with the Picante sauce, jalapeño cheese, refried beans that come in that MRE and mix it all around its one of the tastiest ones!

[sst]

I just finished my military obligation. There are some of you who remember when I was over in the desert. My unit had two companies from PR. Only about half of them spoke English. I can't tell you how hard it is to fix/operate a helo when you're being stared at with a blank face because they didn't understand I just asked someone to operate the lift system.

No, they get an assistant to read the ASVAB to them and they answer to the assistant. Assistant gets to put in whatever he or she wishes, regardless of if it was the real answer (little cheating never got anyone killed right?). Assistant is usually a recruiter (gotta get them in for the bonus!).

My commander (who had not been privy to the lack of communication prior to deployment) grounded all of the crew chiefs that could not speak English clearly because it's even harder to understand people over the radio...specifically why we use BRAVO, FOXTROT instead of saying B and F so that we can understand Blue Falcons (or buddy f*ckers, for anyone who hasn't served) when they are making mistakes all over the board and getting people killed. Sure, most were good people who meant well...but that doesn't save your bird from crashing cause they hit the wrong switch while you're out on a mission or how I, a medic, could diagnose someone who is yelling at me in Spanish.
I suppose now I should learn the languages of every other country in the world so that I am not a raciest elitist. Gosh, and I thought I was just some poor kid from North Florida.

I assume you were working with a NG unit from Puerto Rico...

Defense Language Institute English Language Center is at Lackland Air force Base... I know its required if you do not have the necessary English language skills to go though there before being a part of the active Army. Standard English as a second language stuff. They go there prior to basic and have to pass it before they go on to boot camp

[Daniel]

Then liberals will say that that's unconstitutional or something, and that we should embrace multiple languages in our military, with something ridiculous like how it could be used to confuse the enemy at crucial moments in battle, and that requiring them to speak fluent English in order to fight for the US military is racist.

Have you ever served? No.

When you get off your fat ass and do something with your life besides sell hot dogs then you can talk shit about people who put their life on the line.

So shut the fuck up.

[sst]

Damn daniel i think he was making fun of liberals... not the military....

[Methais]

Have you ever served? No.

When you get off your fat ass and do something with your life besides sell hot dogs then you can talk shit about people who put their life on the line.

So shut the fuck up.

I wasn't aware that Obama and his crew served in the military and put their lives on the lines.

Also, please point out where I said anything about the actual people in the military, as opposed to liberal idiots like you.

Seriously, you're a fucking moron and should consider cleaning out your asshole with a cheese grater.

Should I make a black joke so you can call me racist now so you'll feel better?

Btw here's a nice trivia fact for you: The average hot dog cart pulls in around $100,000 a year...profit. Not bad for something I'm basically starting up for free with no risk and will be working probably less than half the hours most people work who have "real" jobs where they want to slit their own throats when their alarm clock goes off at 6am or whatever.

I'll mail you a chili dog once I'm through with the red tape over here and you can rub it on your balls while watching old episodes of You Can't Do That On Television.


Damn daniel i think he was making fun of liberals... not the military....

Daniel isn't particularly known for not being stupid.

[Daniel]

I wasn't aware that Obama and his crew served in the military and put their lives on the lines.

Also, please point out where I said anything about the actual people in the military, as opposed to liberal idiots like you.

Seriously, you're a fucking moron and should consider cleaning out your asshole with a cheese grater.

Should I make a black joke so you can call me racist now so you'll feel better?

Btw here's a nice trivia fact for you: The average hot dog cart pulls in around $100,000 a year...profit. Not bad for something I'm basically starting up for free with no risk.



Oh yea? Let me know when the money starts raking in from your prosperous hot dog cart.

You're still a fucking moron to suggest that some people don't belong in the military because they don't fit into your narrow stereotypical notions of what it should be.

[Methais]

Oh yea? Let me know when the money starts raking in from your prosperous hot dog cart.

You're still a fucking moron to suggest that some people don't belong in the military because they don't fit into your narrow stereotypical notions of what it should be.

I'm a moron for suggesting that someone should know how to speak fluent English if they want to be in the United States military? Seriously?

If I had a narrow stereotypical notion, it would be something like don't allow skinny black guys with glasses that could pass for Obama Jr. from text based Internet role-playing games into the military, because they're clearly gay and want to have sex with their commanding officer.

http://carlnet.no-ip.org/facepalm_implied.jpg

[Mabus]

Daniel isn't particularly known for not being stupid.
He used to post intelligently, till he started hanging out with Michael Phelps.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg149/politicalfiend/phelps_and_Daniel.jpg

[Mtenda]

I'm a moron for suggesting that someone should know how to speak fluent English if they want to be in the United States military? Seriously?

If I had a narrow stereotypical notion, it would be something like don't allow skinny black guys with glasses that could pass for Obama Jr. from text based Internet role-playing games into the military, because they're clearly gay and want to have sex with their commanding officer.

http://carlnet.no-ip.org/facepalm_implied.jpg

IMO I don't think you're a moron for suggesting someone should know how to speak english before joining the military. I'm not even sure you were ever clear on your stance other than that. The OP stated that immigrants should not be able to join the military period. If you agreed or disagreed with that statement, I didn't see it. However, the things you say about liberals and gays certainly exhibit characteristics of a narrow stereotypical notion. I'm white and straight and it sometimes offends me. I think that may be where the root of Daniel's frustration with you comes from. Maybe he approached you in the wrong way here and reinforced your stereotype? I would like to point out your constant mention of people playing the race card. I find this to be ironic since you are often the first one bringing up race. I'm curious...do you get called racist a lot?

[Methais]

IMO I don't think you're a moron for suggesting someone should know how to speak english before joining the military. I'm not even sure you were ever clear on your stance other than that. The OP stated that immigrants should not be able to join the military period. If you agreed or disagreed with that statement, I didn't see it. However, the things you say about liberals and gays certainly exhibit characteristics of a narrow stereotypical notion. I'm white and straight and it sometimes offends me. I think that may be where the root of Daniel's frustration with you comes from. Maybe he approached you in the wrong way here and reinforced your stereotype? I would like to point out your constant mention of people playing the race card. I find this to be ironic since you are often the first one bringing up race. I'm curious...do you get called racist a lot?

I was making a joke aimed at (extreme) liberals over how requiring someone in the US military to speak English would be unconstitutional or something equally ridiculous, and was tongue in cheek, which Daniel apparently translated into WTF THE MILITARY IS STUPID AND SO IS EVERYONE IN IT I HOPE THEY ALL DIAF!!!!!!!!!11

As for the "gay" thing, 99.9999% of the time if I say something is gay, I mean it as in it's fucking dumb and retarded, not that it wants to insert its penis into another guy's asshole. If you wanna get into the whole thing of people being offended by the word "gay", I'm offended at the fact that homosexuals stole the word gay and transformed it from meaning "happy" into "homosexual". But that horse has been beaten senseless, especially during the HarmNone days so I'm not gonna waste anymore time on that.

As for the racist thing, no I don't get called racist a lot. Except on here. I got called racist by a couple welfare idiots that were mad they didn't get a discount on their pizza that they decided was too expensive and they shouldn't have to pay that much, and because one time I asked this black lady if she lived in so-and-so trailer park (they lived right next to it), to which she responded "I don't live in no trailer park. You (you're) racist!" But other than that, all the "You're racist!" claims are confined to the PC.

The issue in this thread is pretty much just a case of Daniel now knowing how to read. This is clearly because he's black.

[Apathy]

Why is everyone taking ClydeR seriously again?

[Mtenda]

I was making a joke aimed at (extreme) liberals over how requiring someone in the US military to speak English would be unconstitutional or something equally ridiculous, and was tongue in cheek, which Daniel apparently translated into WTF THE MILITARY IS STUPID AND SO IS EVERYONE IN IT I HOPE THEY ALL DIAF!!!!!!!!!11

As for the "gay" thing, 99.9999% of the time if I say something is gay, I mean it as in it's fucking dumb and retarded, not that it wants to insert its penis into another guy's asshole. If you wanna get into the whole thing of people being offended by the word "gay", I'm offended at the fact that homosexuals stole the word gay and transformed it from meaning "happy" into "homosexual". But that horse has been beaten senseless, especially during the HarmNone days so I'm not gonna waste anymore time on that.

As for the racist thing, no I don't get called racist a lot. Except on here. I got called racist by a couple welfare idiots that were mad they didn't get a discount on their pizza that they decided was too expensive and they shouldn't have to pay that much, and because one time I asked this black lady if she lived in so-and-so trailer park (they lived right next to it), to which she responded "I don't live in no trailer park. You (you're) racist!" But other than that, all the "You're racist!" claims are confined to the PC.

The issue in this thread is pretty much just a case of Daniel now knowing how to read. This is clearly because he's black.


Alrighty then. Thanks for the italics. It helps my reading comprehension.

[Methais]

Alrighty then. Thanks for the italics. It helps my reading comprehension.

Sometimes when a joke is so obvious, it shouldn't require italics.

[Mtenda]

Why is everyone taking ClydeR seriously again?

Yeah I had to LOL at myself a bit here. Though it did become a real thread when it was revealed that recruiters are helping immigrants cheat on the ASVAB. Does anyone know if recruiters ever have to face any consequences for overselling the military? Their sometimes poor choices get compounded all the way into the war zone as shown in Ruty's post.

[Mtenda]

Sometimes when a joke is so obvious, it shouldn't require italics.

I haven't been here all that long Methais so your jokes aren't always that obvious to me. Some people actually do say the extreme things you joke about.

[Back]

ClydeR’s comments are comedy but he/she/it does bring up current issues.

They are both comment worthy.

[Methais]

I haven't been here all that long Methais so your jokes aren't always that obvious to me. Some people actually do say the extreme things you joke about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KXCD5BQiM4

[Jace Solo]

I'm too tired to post right now but I'll get to you guys tomorrow.
Night!

[TheLastShamurai]

[QUOTE=Sean of the Thread;891402]And I apologize to all my Marine brothers out here... but I'm most likely enlisting in the army either as a warrant officer or back to e-4.QUOTE]

If you're qualified there really is no reason not go to Warrant. You get all the great pay of being an Officer (only slightly less than actual Officers up to a certain point) without all the bullshit responsibilities.

~

And most of the enlistees that I met that couldn't speak English were indeed from Puerto Rico. One of my NCOs was such a case. He said that he never received formal language training and that he was just expected to learn it through immersion. Which he did, and he speaks perfect English now, but it's still fucked up that it happens.

~

And since a large portion of the Army is already made up of Hispanics and Pacific Islanders we probably won't even notice a big difference.

[Jace Solo]

I did work with the NG units from PR, however, where I was stationed we had units come through to "check in" to Iraq and I got to talk to, or rather, try to talk to, a lot of people coming through the flood gates. Even if it were NG, that's still people you have to fight and die next to. Look at Utah and Omaha Beach...the majority of combatants there were NG. Might not have been able to coordinate the attack if communication was severed by heavy dialect.

That' just my thoughts though, so who knows...

[ClydeR]

The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act is a concept dear to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin's (D-Ill.) heart, and while health care reform may get this summer’s headlines in Washington, the DREAM Act may be a sleeper.

Defeated in Oct. 2007 on a cloture vote of 52-44, the Senate’s new math appears to approach the necessary threshold of 60 votes based on the 2007 votes, election results and co-sponsorship.

More... (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/immigration-reform-could-emerge-again-in-the-fall-2009-05-25.html)

The DREAM Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act) would allow illegal immigrant children to become legal if they get a two-year degree or join the military. I told you this would happen! I told you Obama would ruin the military (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=891301&postcount=9). But the Republicans are not going to stand for this. They will filibuster the DREAM Act.

[Methais]

The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM)

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/i/i_have_a_dream-12830.jpg

[4a6c1]

lols.

[Parkbandit]

ClydeR isn't real. Think Colbert Report lacking all humor.

[Dhuul]

pretty sure I heard staccato typing coming from under my bed, followed by sickly-sounding snort-laughs. he's real.

[Stanley Burrell]

We granted visas to immigrants for participation in the armed services during the last presidency as well.

The problem, now, is that Obama is doing it.


Where is your family from? Or were you born in a laboratory?

ClydeR thread.

[Keller]

Should I make a black joke so you can call me racist now so you'll feel better?

I'm sure you know this already, but you don't need to post anything else for us to call you a racist.

It's patently obvious.

It doesn't make me feel better at all. Only a little dissappointed.

[Parkbandit]

The only reason you consider Methais a racist is because by calling him one you can attempt to marginalize his opinion. It's "Progressive" 101.. something you have down to a science.

[Warriorbird]

Because you totally have a leg to stand on in this regard.

[Keller]

The only reason you consider Methais a racist is because by calling him one you can attempt to marginalize his opinion. It's "Progressive" 101.. something you have down to a science.

That must be it.

[Warriorbird]

You forget, Keller, according to Republican Reactionary 101 there is no racism unless it is done by black people.

[Parkbandit]

Because you totally have a leg to stand on in this regard.

Oh, I couldn't give two shits what someone like you believes or doesn't believe to be honest. If it makes you feel better to classify me as a racist, then feel free.

[Keller]

Oh, I couldn't give two shits what someone like you believes or doesn't believe to be honest. If it makes you feel better to classify me as a racist, then feel free.

I think he was referring to your style of "debate".

[Parkbandit]

You forget, Keller, according to Progressive Reactionary 101 there is no racism unless it is done by white people.

Fixed it for you.. Boy.

[Parkbandit]

I think

Here's where you went wrong.

[Warriorbird]

Must be tough with the march towards irrelevance as your generation fades and your politics cease to mean much. I'm sorry for your anger. At least you can feel that Backlash and yourself cancel each other out. You're sort of like polar opposites.

Have a nice day!

Your kids are statistically more likely to end up Democrats than those of previous Republican parents

[Keller]

Here's where you went wrong.

So much for you keeping it civil. :(

[Warriorbird]

Parkbandit has never believed in civil discourse. Don't you hold him to your "Progressive" standards!

[Parkbandit]

Parkbandit has never believed in civil discourse. Don't you hold him to your "Progressive" standards!

Yes, yes WB.. you are well known for your civil debates on these boards.

:rofl:

PS - If you need me to put that into italics for you to understand it better, send me a PM.

[Warriorbird]

I never claimed 'civil discourse.' Half of the fun I have here is stirring people up. For you to claim that you are about it would make you a wait for it...

[Methais]

I'm sure you know this already, but you don't need to post anything else for us to call you a racist.

It's patently obvious.

It doesn't make me feel better at all. Only a little dissappointed.

It took you 3.5 months to come up with that response?

Let me break it down for you:

I don't like niggers.

I like black people.

I don't like spics.

I like hispanics.

I don't like white trash.

I like white people.

etc.

Despite whatever term they're referred to as, the reason I don't like them isn't because of their race. The reason I don't like them is because they're pieces of shit. The bright side is that their piece-of-shittery is great fodder for jokes...including the white people. The "slurs" are nothing more than words these days. Otherwise you wouldn't hear blacks calling each other "nigga". Reasonable people are able to see the difference. The rest also see the difference, but prefer to act all butthurt over everything and play the race card at every opportunity, usually for their own personal gain. Kind of like a RL version of Militant Black Guy.

Basically I could call the Puerto Rican guy that tried to rob me a "Hispanic piece of shit", and that would be fine and dandy, but if I call him a "spic", then I suddenly hate all Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, etc.

Where was the racial outcry when the movie "White Men Can't Jump" came out? How much outcry would there be if a sequel was released called "Black Men Can't Climb the Corporate Ladder"?

In short: I like people who aren't pieces of shit, and I don't like people who are pieces of shit.

Let me save you some time and type the response someone will inevitably come up with: O SO U MUST HATE URSELF THEN CUZ UR A PIECE OF SHIATTTTT!!!!!!!!11

While we're on the topic, I delivered to some black guy the other day who I'm pretty sure was on welfare. His ghetto apartment was a massive dump, the whole area smelled like a sewage pond, there was garbage and stuff all over the place, kids running around screaming random chaos, a fat loud mouthed wife, etc., but he was a nice guy.

He was also $4 short on his order, which he didn't realize until he pulled the disorganized crumpled up money out of his pocket (not wallet). I could have easily been like "Sucks for you, bye." and got in my car and left with his pizza that he didn't have enough money to pay for. Instead I told him I'll get the $4 from him next time, knowing I'll probably never see him again, which apparently shocked the hell out of him because I was suddenly his best friend.

That was a terribly racist thing for me to do, obviously, because words speak louder than actions right?







P.S.:
http://madnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/nasnigger.jpg

[ClydeR]

Hey uhh...I got news for you Clyde. The Army is already chock full of immigrants. I personally worked with a guy from St. Lucia, 5 (or 6?) Mexicans, a Guam guy, a Phillipino guy and an older lady from Peru. Most working for the green card or a better status of some kind.

PLEASE tell me you are kidding. Obama wants to completely change the military. In addition to wanting illegal aliens in the military, he also promised (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/293/call-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/) to open the military up to homosexuals. I think we could learn something from the Russians about that. Their military has a simple test that screens out people with psychological diseases. If we used that test, there would be no need for those complicated rules about not asking and not telling.

The Russian test works like this. Look at the circles and see which circles you can clearly see the numbers inside of. I hate to say it, but I'm afraid I already know what the result will be for a lot of the people in this forum.


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/test.jpg

Then go here (http://englishrussia.com/?p=2662) and see what your results mean.

Have you ever stopped to think what would happen if Obama gets his way? Not only will our military have illegal aliens and homosexuals, but probably also a lot of homosexual illegal aliens. And you know -- without the need for me to go into the messy details -- exactly what that would lead to. And what it leads to would, as the title of this thread says, ruin the military.

[Parkbandit]

I never claimed 'civil discourse.' Half of the fun I have here is stirring people up. For you to claim that you are about it would make you a wait for it...

Thankfully, I've never made that claim. Had I ever made such a claim, it would make me no better than you.

[Keller]

Thankfully, I've never made that claim. Had I ever made such a claim, it would make me no better than you.

I fear Alzheimers. :(

[Parkbandit]

I fear Alzheimers. :(

OH I GET IT! BECAUSE YOU THINK 44 IS OLD! That's fucking hilarious... from a self described immature child. I remember when I thought 44 was old. I think I was about 8 or 9.

[Gan]

You know its getting desperate when they pick on PB's age.

:lol:

[Keller]

OH I GET IT! BECAUSE YOU THINK 44 IS OLD! That's fucking hilarious... from a self described immature child. I remember when I thought 44 was old. I think I was about 8 or 9.

No. Because you did just claim to try to be civil.

[Keller]

You know its getting desperate when they pick on PB's age.

:lol:


What is "it".

Who is "they".

[Warriorbird]

Gan's trying to make us into 'enemies' in his mind.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g7KcbMxmLEU/R5E2Yk_YZ4I/AAAAAAAADFY/_m0pJ7oocXI/s400/TinfoilHat.jpg

[Warriorbird]

Thankfully, I've never made that claim. Had I ever made such a claim, it would make me no better than you.

He's not getting Alzheimer's, he's regressing.

We're now on 'I know you are but what am I.'

Seriously... your whole 'hypocrite!' line of rhetoric was kind of dull years ago. I understand it's difficult for the aged to come up with new things...

[Methais]

Seriously... your whole 'hypocrite!' line of rhetoric was kind of dull years ago. I understand it's difficult for the aged to come up with new things...

I hope you see the irony in that statement.

[Warriorbird]

Just about as ironic as you missing the entire point of Nas's 'Nigger' shirt.

:)

You can also troll well... but have trouble identifying it in others.

[Methais]

I didn't miss the point. I just posted it for kicks.

The point of that shirt was made in another thread like 3 months ago, but nice try.

And why are you trying to be like Emeradan with the smilies? That's just....low! :)

[Ravenstorm]

Have you ever stopped to think what would happen if Obama gets his way?

We'd have a military as good as Israel's?

[Gan]

What is "it".

Who is "they".

Context, its your friend.

[Gan]

Gan's trying to make us into 'enemies' in his mind.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g7KcbMxmLEU/R5E2Yk_YZ4I/AAAAAAAADFY/_m0pJ7oocXI/s400/TinfoilHat.jpg

I always knew you had a cool looking pussy.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sorry that you stepped into tinfoil hat land a while back. Having fun out there with your enemies lists?

[Keller]

Context, its your friend.

I was really just poking fun at the misuse of pronouns.

Hence the lack of question marks.

[ClydeR]

We'd have a military as good as Israel's?

I didn't realize that Israel's military was better than ours.

[4a6c1]

lols

[Lumi]

:rofl: at eye test.

Clyde....do some more research. Have long, meaningful conversations with some veterans before you post more BS. No I change my mind. Actually do some service before you share anymore dumb, baseless opinions about the Army.

I know how you feel about illegals. I want a wall on the border and armed militias. I'm in Houston and I SEE the crime. For every Mexican mom just trying to make a better life for her kid, there are 10 drug/gang thugs who bring their moral degenerations accross my border and into my city.

As far as the drug thugs go I dont want them in our jails, I dont want them deported, I want them dead.

But there are no illegal aliens in the Army. There are no races. No gender. No faces.

In my opinion there is only one way people should ALWAYS be allowed to be citizens of this country and that is thru service to the military.

Also...I knew some homos who were pretty good shots. They were out. Nobody cared. They slept in the tent with 30 other stinky men, just like me. Politics dont matter to the people on the line. U LOSE.

I like you.

[Methais]

PLEASE tell me you are kidding. Obama wants to completely change the military. In addition to wanting illegal aliens in the military, he also promised (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/293/call-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/) to open the military up to homosexuals. I think we could learn something from the Russians about that. Their military has a simple test that screens out people with psychological diseases. If we used that test, there would be no need for those complicated rules about not asking and not telling.

The Russian test works like this. Look at the circles and see which circles you can clearly see the numbers inside of. I hate to say it, but I'm afraid I already know what the result will be for a lot of the people in this forum.


http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/rmi08a/test.jpg

Then go here (http://englishrussia.com/?p=2662) and see what your results mean.

Have you ever stopped to think what would happen if Obama gets his way? Not only will our military have illegal aliens and homosexuals, but probably also a lot of homosexual illegal aliens. And you know -- without the need for me to go into the messy details -- exactly what that would lead to. And what it leads to would, as the title of this thread says, ruin the military.

Apparently I'm gay according to that "test" because I can't really see the number in #5. I wanna say it says 86 or 88 but I really can't tell. 8 something. Or just 8. Fuck.


Can’t see circle 1: High agression, proneness to conflict, the recommendation is to add more physical excercise and cold showers.

Can’t see circle 2: Possible low than average intellectual abilities, can’t serve with sophisticated equipment.

Can’t see circle 3: Possible debauchery, soldier should get increased daily ration, should get more physical activity tasks, should not be connected to food supplies, etc.

Can’t see circle 4: Possible inclination to violence, can be assigend as a leader to his unit, as he can preserve discipline.

Can’t see circle 5: Possible latent homosexuality. Can be light uncontrolled accesses of attraction to the same sex.

Can’t see circle 6: Possible schizophreanic tendency. Required additional inspection.

[Gan]

I was really just poking fun at the misuse of pronouns.

Hence the lack of question marks.

Nothing makes your point more than pointing out spelling or grammatical errors from fellow posters.

Whats next, font critique? Spacing?

[Keller]

Whats next, font critique? Spacing?

Generally, between punctuation ending a sentence there should be two spaces.

:medieval:

[Mikalmas]

Apparently I'm gay according to that "test" because I can't really see the number in #5. I wanna say it says 86 or 88 but I really can't tell. 8 something. Or just 8. Fuck.

There is no number in 5. That appears to be a standard colorblind test (that someone has turned into a joke). At least I HOPE someone made that as a joke.

[Back]

Generally, between punctuation ending a sentence there should be two spaces.

:medieval:

Do you know why? I’m just asking because there really is a reason and its antiquity was brought over to computers.

[Daniel]

Apparently I'm gay according to that "test" because I can't really see the number in #5. I wanna say it says 86 or 88 but I really can't tell. 8 something. Or just 8. Fuck.


There is no number in 5. That appears to be a standard colorblind test (that someone has turned into a joke). At least I HOPE someone made that as a joke.

That's fucking awesome.

[Ravenstorm]

So basically they're saying that being gay, like color blindness, is something you're born with. Works for me.

And number five isn't a number. It's two guys fucking.

[ClydeR]

There is no number in 5. That appears to be a standard colorblind test (that someone has turned into a joke). At least I HOPE someone made that as a joke.

You should know by now that the rule on the Internets is that it's true if it's not on Snopes. I checked Snopes before I posted. I am always very careful about what I post.

[ClydeR]

Do you know why? I’m just asking because there really is a reason and its antiquity was brought over to computers.

Your post cries out for a supporting URL link that would make it whole.

[ClydeR]

So basically they're saying that being gay, like color blindness, is something you're born with. Works for me.

No, the Russian military psychological entrance test says that someone who has homosexual tendencies won't be able to see that number. When you stop having homosexual tendencies, then you will be able to see it.

[Parkbandit]

So basically they're saying that being gay, like color blindness, is something you're born with. Works for me.

And number five isn't a number. It's two guys fucking.

Did you hear that the most evil VP EVAR supports gays more than The One? I laughed and thought of you when I saw it on TV this morning.

[Daniel]

Did you hear that the most evil VP EVAR supports gays more than The One? I laughed and thought of you when I saw it on TV this morning.

Yea, because Dick Cheney is a bastion of integrity and would never say something disingenuous for political gain?

[Keller]

Yea, because Dick Cheney is a bastion of integrity and would never say something disingenuous for political gain?

I'm sure that behind closed doors, Cheney calls his daughter a degenerate carpet-munching ape that doesn't deserve opposable thumbs, but it's just his public opinion that gays are ok.

Come on now.

[Daniel]

I'm sure that behind closed doors, Cheney calls his daughter a degenerate carpet-munching ape that doesn't deserve opposable thumbs, but it's just his public opinion that gays are ok.

Come on now.

Is that what I said?

I didn't really see 8 years of progress or engagement in securing rights for gays when he was vice president. So, why exactly would gay people buy the fact that he's more "progressive" than the "one"?

[4a6c1]

lol

[Keller]

Is that what I said?

I didn't really see 8 years of progress or engagement in securing rights for gays when he was vice president. So, why exactly would gay people buy the fact that he's more "progressive" than the "one"?

You implied that Cheney was disingenuous and what he said was for political gain.

The man was part of an administration that practically spit-shined the buckle of the bible belt to be elected. Rupaul couldn't have set a pro-gay agenda in the White House between 2000-2008.

[Keller]

Dick Cheney is the only person I trust with our national security right now. That day he gave a speech at the same time as Obama I was like 'finally, someone speaking for us'. I hope he stays in politics.

He is pretty scary in that 'calculated cripple overlord' sort of way. But I think that is exactly the kind of person we need to make the tough decisions.

Thread derail ftw. Not that this thread was worth anything to begin with.

He might protect your physical safety marginally better than another person, but it is at the expense of grave detriment to the safety of the Republic.

[4a6c1]

lols

[Keller]

I dont see how.

Did Japanese Internment camps make the Union stronger?

[Parkbandit]

Yea, because Dick Cheney is a bastion of integrity and would never say something disingenuous for political gain?

What political gain is he looking for? It's not like he's ever going to run for an office again. He'll end up at some Republican think tank and be pretty much retired.

His statement that it is a state's responsibility to determine gay marriage is spot on IMO.

[Parkbandit]

He might protect your physical safety marginally better than another person, but it is at the expense of grave detriment to the safety of the Republic.

Easy George Lucas...

[4a6c1]

.

[Parkbandit]

Did Japanese Internment camps make the Union stronger?

Your example is from 70 years ago, done by one of the most Progressive Presidents of all time?

I was expecting more light sabers...

[Methais]

There is no number in 5. That appears to be a standard colorblind test (that someone has turned into a joke). At least I HOPE someone made that as a joke.

I dunno. This is what I'm seeing:

Original:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/test.jpg

8 / 88 / 86 on the gay circle (green line is to differentiate the possible 6 from the possible 8) (IF YOUR NAME HAPPENS TO BE STANLEY, ALLOW ME TO INFORM YOU THAT #5 IS WHERE THE PICTURES DIFFER):
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/test2.jpg

If anyone wants a really awesome magic eye pic, PM me.

[Stanley Burrell]

Why'd you post the same picture twice, thilly?

[Parkbandit]

Sending a PM on an iPhone sucks.. But I want one. If it's goatse or tubgirl, don't bother.

[Methais]

Why'd you post the same picture twice, thilly?

Because the second one is different from the first (#5), therefore invalidating your inquisition.

[Keller]

We dont have internment camps. We have terrorist suspects in a military prison.

We have prisons in which we keep suspects without basic constitutional rights.

In 70 years, we will look back in shame. I'm not saying that it's not necessary for our safety, I just wonder if our safety is worth it.

[Parkbandit]

We have prisons in which we keep suspects without basic constitutional rights.

In 70 years, we will look back in shame. I'm not saying that it's not necessary for our safety, I just wonder if our safety is worth it.

Constitutional rights are given to citizens of the United States.. which is why it's called the United States Constitution and not the Everyone on the Planet Constitution

Also.. the US Citizens we placed in those Japanese internment camps were innocent and put there just because of their race. Are you saying that those 250 people at Club Gitmo are innocent? Please tell me you do realize how they ended up there.

[4a6c1]

We have prisons in which we keep suspects without basic constitutional rights.

In 70 years, we will look back in shame. I'm not saying that it's not necessary for our safety, I just wonder if our safety is worth it.

Yeah. There is no way to know for sure.

[Keller]

Constitutional rights are given to citizens of the United States.. which is why it's called the United States Constitution and not the Everyone on the Planet Constitution

Also.. the US Citizens we placed in those Japanese internment camps were innocent and put there just because of their race. Are you saying that those 250 people at Club Gitmo are innocent? Please tell me you do realize how they ended up there.

I see.

So when Jefferson wrote the declaration of independance, calling the Monarchy an abololute tyranny and including among his reasons the lack of jury trials, he was really just saying that jury trials were for colonists.

I think you're technically right -- but god help us if we've taken to abusing the principles our nation was founded upon and we live by under technical grounds.

[Keller]

Yeah. There is no way to know for sure.

I agree.

I don't doubt for a moment that we were safer under George Bush.

But, as Ben Franklin penned, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[4a6c1]

Just because he was brilliant doesnt mean he was always right. ;)

[Keller]

Just because he was brilliant doesnt mean he was always right. ;)

And just because I'm always right doesn't mean I am brilliant. :)

[Back]

Constitutional rights are given to citizens of the United States.. which is why it's called the United States Constitution and not the Everyone on the Planet Constitution

Actually I think the Constitution is what makes this country great and inspires many people to move here. Why should Constitutional rights not be extended to everyone in the world?

When people start using it as a tool to exclude the rights of others we are on very dangerous ground.

[4a6c1]

And just because I'm always right doesn't mean I am brilliant. :)


Ooh oooh! Intellectual snobbery replaces witty comeback. YOU CHEATED!

[Keller]

Actually I think the Constitution is what makes this country great and inspires many people to move here. Why should Constitutional rights not be extended to everyone in the world?

When people start using it as a tool to exclude the rights of others we are on very dangerous ground.

You can't exclude right they don't technically have.

[Methais]

Actually I think the Constitution is what makes this country great and inspires many people to move here. Why should Constitutional rights not be extended to everyone in the world?

Because it's not called the World Constitution, and everyone in the world doesn't live in America. Clearly it's our fault that other countries don't have a Constitution like ours.


When people start using it as a tool to exclude the rights of others we are on very dangerous ground.

Why do people who orchestrate airplanes flying into our buildings and kill thousands of people because they hate America, are proud of it, and would do it again if they had the chance, deserve Constitutional rights?

[Keller]

Ooh oooh! Intellectual snobbery replaces witty comeback. YOU CHEATED!

If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough.

[Keller]

Because it's not called the World Constitution, and everyone in the world doesn't live in America. Clearly it's our fault that other countries don't have a Constitution like ours.



Why do people who orchestrate airplanes flying into our buildings and kill thousands of people because they hate America, are proud of it, and would do it again if they had the chance, deserve Constitutional rights?

Answer to 1: Even if other countries had such a Constitution, it wouldn't help their citizens in this situation.

Answer to 2: Ahhhhh yes. The, "why try the guilty?" argument. It's not even provocative. Unless you're trying to provoke sadness for the loss of the Republic. In that case, job well done.

[Methais]

Answer to 2: Ahhhhh yes. The, "why try the guilty?" argument. It's not even provocative. Unless you're trying to provoke sadness for the loss of the Republic. In that case, job well done.

I prefer the term "Let terrorists rot in hell" argument.

Our country is losing its balls really really fast under Obama.

[Parkbandit]

I see.

So when Jefferson wrote the declaration of independance, calling the Monarchy an abololute tyranny and including among his reasons the lack of jury trials, he was really just saying that jury trials were for colonists.

I think you're technically right -- but god help us if we've taken to abusing the principles our nation was founded upon and we live by under technical grounds.

I don't need "God's help" since I'm an Atheist. I'm just not only technically right, I'm absolutely right. Our laws are for this country and it's citizens. I'm certain you wouldn't want us going over to Amsterdam and locking up it's citizens because they like to partake in a substance that we classify as illegal, would you? Of course not, that would be stupid. But so would saying someone from Amsterdam has Constitutional rights in this country.. which they do not.

Until we are governed by the World Republic or the United Federation of Planets...

PS - Next time, make sure you capitalize and spell the Declaration of Independence correctly next time, filthy hippie.

[Keller]

I prefer the term "Let terrorists rot in hell" argument.

Our country is losing its balls really really fast under Obama.

I think what you mean is the "Let the accused terrorists rot in hell" argument.

[Parkbandit]

Actually, we should have just killed them on the battlefield and had a policy of taking no prisoners. Far less red tape imo. On the important ones, we should just do Clinton's rendition and be done with it... our hands would have been "clean"

[Keller]

I don't need "God's help" since I'm an Atheist. I'm just not only technically right, I'm absolutely right. Our laws are for this country and it's citizens. I'm certain you wouldn't want us going over to Amsterdam and locking up it's citizens because they like to partake in a substance that we classify as illegal, would you? Of course not, that would be stupid. But so would saying someone from Amsterdam has Constitutional rights in this country.. which they do not.

Until we are governed by the World Republic or the United Federation of Planets...

PS - Next time, make sure you capitalize and spell the Declaration of Independence correctly next time, filthy hippie.

What if we went to Amsterdam and arrested those people? Should they be afforded a trial?

[Parkbandit]

What if we went to Amsterdam and arrested those people? Should they be afforded a trial?

Looking for work?

[Ravenstorm]

Did you hear that the most evil VP EVAR supports gays more than The One? I laughed and thought of you when I saw it on TV this morning.

Actually, this isn't correct.

Cheney supports states having the right to decide the issue of same-sex marriage. He does not - or, at least has never said, that he supports the repeal of DOMA and granting same-sex married couples federal rights. Obama might only support civil unions, but he supports them completely on state and federal levels. Now personally, while I think Obama is wrong in his position about marriage, I'll take legal protections and benefits over a word as being the better option.

But for the record, I'm getting very pissed off at him for many reasons regarding his lack of commitment to keeping the promises he made to us. I'd have still voted for him though instead of the batshit insane Republicans.

Can we have a third party now, please? And maybe a fourth?

[Daniel]

Actually, this isn't correct.

Cheney supports states having the right to decide the issue of same-sex marriage. He does not - or, at least has never said, that he supports the repeal of DOMA and granting same-sex married couples federal rights. Obama might only support civil unions, but he supports them completely on state and federal levels. Now personally, while I think Obama is wrong in his position about marriage, I'll take legal protections and benefits over a word as being the better option.

But for the record, I'm getting very pissed off at him for many reasons regarding his lack of commitment to keeping the promises he made to us. I'd have still voted for him though instead of the batshit insane Republicans.

Can we have a third party now, please? And maybe a fourth?


Did you really think he'd fix all our problems, in only five months?

[CrystalTears]

Did you really think he'd fix all our problems, in only five months?
Yeah I was confused by the lack of commitment comment as well. It hasn't even been five months yet.

[Ravenstorm]

Did you really think he'd fix all our problems, in only five months?

Fix? No. Hardly. But this editorial (http://www.365gay.com/blog/daigle-obama-and-the-theory-of-berthas/) sums up a growing attitude among the GLBT community toward Obama.

[CrystalTears]

No offense but that's not a presidential priority at the moment, imo.

[Parkbandit]

Actually, this isn't correct.

Cheney supports states having the right to decide the issue of same-sex marriage. He does not - or, at least has never said, that he supports the repeal of DOMA and granting same-sex married couples federal rights. Obama might only support civil unions, but he supports them completely on state and federal levels. Now personally, while I think Obama is wrong in his position about marriage, I'll take legal protections and benefits over a word as being the better option.

But for the record, I'm getting very pissed off at him for many reasons regarding his lack of commitment to keeping the promises he made to us. I'd have still voted for him though instead of the batshit insane Republicans.

Can we have a third party now, please? And maybe a fourth?


Did you really think he'd fix all our problems, in only five months?

:rofl:

Grats on coming out of the closet Daniel :)

[Daniel]

Fix? No. Hardly. But this editorial (http://www.365gay.com/blog/daigle-obama-and-the-theory-of-berthas/) sums up a growing attitude among the GLBT community toward Obama.

I'd probably ask the author of that article the same question.

It's just a more wordy version of "I"m pissing off @ him for doing nothing for gay people in 5 months".



I'll admit I'm not gay. So while I believe in Gay rights it's not something that really hits home for me.

However, did you really think these emotional and highly political issues were going to be be solved in 5 months? Even if there wasn't a failing economy and two wars to get a handle on?

I'm not saying Obama isn't a Bertha or whatever, but don't you think it's a bit early to be getting pissed?

[Daniel]

:rofl:

Grats on coming out of the closet Daniel :)

Bastard.

[Ravenstorm]

No offense but that's not a presidential priority at the moment, imo.

Like keeping our country safe by refusing to discharge highly decorated combat soldiers and translators from our undermanned, overstretched armed forces? Still happening. Reference Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach and Lt. Daniel Cho as a couple of the latest examples.


I'm not saying Obama isn't a Bertha or whatever, but don't you think it's a bit early to be getting pissed?

When he can't even be assed to have a speech writer or his press secretary acknowledge a milestone issue with a statement expressing support? No, I think it's right on time. No one's asking him to fix things in five months. Taking a single step forward though would be nice.

These aren't either/or issues. Politicians regularly multitask. They've even been known to discuss three or four highly divergent issues in a week if you can believe the reports.

[Ravenstorm]

Oh, and let me add one thing that deserves its own post instead of an edit...

This isn't anything new for us. Democrats have regularly been courting us and making promises every time they're up for election and wanting our votes and money. And then once the election is over, they regularly go on about how 'the time isn't right' or 'the votes just aren't there' or 'there are more important issues to deal with' or any one of a number of excuses to not do a single thing they promised or even get the issues onto the floor for debate and discussion.

So we've seen all this before many times on a federal or state or local level. Obama is just the one who claimed to be our 'fierce advocate'. So we're waiting for him to deliver... something. Not a 'fix'. But something to even get the ball rolling. Something more than just words.

[Mikalmas]

This isn't anything new for us. Democrats have regularly been courting us and making promises every time they're up for election and wanting our votes and money. And then once the election is over, they regularly go on about how 'the time isn't right' or 'the votes just aren't there' or 'there are more important issues to deal with' or any one of a number of excuses to not do a single thing they promised or even get the issues onto the floor for debate and discussion.

So we've seen all this before many times on a federal or state or local level. Obama is just the one who claimed to be our 'fierce advocate'. So we're waiting for him to deliver... something. Not a 'fix'. But something to even get the ball rolling. Something more than just words.


AMEN to that, Ravenstorm. I just had to say, as a gay man, I feel precisely what you're saying. Prop 8 passing in California, the California Supreme Court's ruling on Prop 8....total silence from the Obama Administration.

Shooting death of an abortion doctor? Almost immediate official response from the WhiteHouse. I don't expect Obama to fix all our problems or inequalities, but as you said, to not even have issued a statement, its disheartening.

[Daniel]

Oh, and let me add one thing that deserves its own post instead of an edit...

This isn't anything new for us. Democrats have regularly been courting us and making promises every time they're up for election and wanting our votes and money. And then once the election is over, they regularly go on about how 'the time isn't right' or 'the votes just aren't there' or 'there are more important issues to deal with' or any one of a number of excuses to not do a single thing they promised or even get the issues onto the floor for debate and discussion.

So we've seen all this before many times on a federal or state or local level. Obama is just the one who claimed to be our 'fierce advocate'. So we're waiting for him to deliver... something. Not a 'fix'. But something to even get the ball rolling. Something more than just words.


Fair enough

[Parkbandit]

Oh, and let me add one thing that deserves its own post instead of an edit...

This isn't anything new for us. Democrats have regularly been courting us and making promises every time they're up for election and wanting our votes and money. And then once the election is over, they regularly go on about how 'the time isn't right' or 'the votes just aren't there' or 'there are more important issues to deal with' or any one of a number of excuses to not do a single thing they promised or even get the issues onto the floor for debate and discussion.

So we've seen all this before many times on a federal or state or local level. Obama is just the one who claimed to be our 'fierce advocate'. So we're waiting for him to deliver... something. Not a 'fix'. But something to even get the ball rolling. Something more than just words.

Get in line bitch.. the poor and minorities were drinking the kool aid first! Wait your turn!

[Back]

The GBLT movement seems the angriest, least violent, and the most annoying.

[Ravenstorm]

The GBLT movement seems the angriest, least violent, and the most annoying.

We are, though, the most fabulous! (Not counting the bull dykes but every movement needs people good with power tools.)

Edit: Oh, and if you think we're angry now, just research ACT UP and Larry Kramer.

[Back]

We are, though, the most fabulous! (Not counting the bull dykes but every movement needs people good with power tools.)

Edit: Oh, and if you think we're angry now, just research ACT UP and Larry Kramer.

rofl. I’m so gay for gays. Wait, wut?

[ClydeR]

The GBLT movement seems the angriest, least violent, and the most annoying.

It's the classic example of the "revolution of rising expectations." It happens when members of a subculture are given a limited amount of encouragement and have less fear of the consequences of violating the expectations of the rest of society. You may think that raising expectations is a good thing -- Obama calls it "hope" -- but it always always leads to unhappiness among the people with heightened, but unfulfilled, expectations. I think Obama is starting to realize that.. and is trying to tamp down expectations before it gets too far afield.

President Bush understood these concepts and associated dangers from the very beginning of his administration. It was evident in all of his policies.

[4a6c1]

We are, though, the most fabulous! (Not counting the bull dykes but every movement needs people good with power tools.)

Edit: Oh, and if you think we're angry now, just research ACT UP and Larry Kramer.

:rofl:

I just remembered how much I missed Ravenstorm and his sassy jokes.

[Stanley Burrell]

That Obama sunnuvabitch ruined the Army.

[Methais]

Apparently Obama's parents were two gay men:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOiNG4xAvMU

[Back]

It's the classic example of the "revolution of rising expectations." It happens when members of a subculture are given a limited amount of encouragement and have less fear of the consequences of violating the expectations of the rest of society. You may think that raising expectations is a good thing -- Obama calls it "hope" -- but it always always leads to unhappiness among the people with heightened, but unfulfilled, expectations. I think Obama is starting to realize that.. and is trying to tamp down expectations before it gets too far afield.

President Bush understood these concepts and associated dangers from the very beginning of his administration. It was evident in all of his policies.

So what would you consider the people who founded this country as?

Subculture? In strict terms they could have been called terrorists.

[Mabus]

So what would you consider the people who founded this country as?

Subculture? In strict terms they could have been called terrorists.
You do realize you are asking questions of a sockpuppet, no?

[Gan]

Looking for work?

Laugh Out Loud

My rep timer has not expired else I would give you some sir.

[Keller]

Looking for work?

I don't get it.

If we went to a foreign country and arrested their citizens, should they be tried?

[Parkbandit]

I don't get it.

No offense, but I'm not surprised.



If we went to a foreign country and arrested their citizens, should they be tried?

Seriously? Did you miss the part where we can't impose our laws and Constitution on people from other countries?

[Keller]

Seriously? Did you miss the part where we can't impose our laws and Constitution on people from other countries?

I didn't qualify my question as "Should they under the U.S. Constitution."

It was an open question.

Do you think they should not, as a general principle? That we should be able to hold people accused of crimes without trial?

[Parkbandit]

I didn't qualify my question as "Should they under the U.S. Constitution."

It was an open question.

Do you think they should not, as a general principle? That we should be able to hold people accused of crimes without trial?

It's amazing that you are even in the law profession... though it does validate my general opinion about lawyers.

I can't play such an ignorant game that you propose, since the premise is unlawful.. we can't go to Amsterdam and arrest people who are partaking in activities that are unlawful in the US.

[Daniel]

It's amazing that you are even in the law profession... though it does validate my general opinion about lawyers.

I can't play such an ignorant game that you propose, since the premise is unlawful.. we can't go to Amsterdam and arrest people who are partaking in activities that are unlawful in the US.

You realize we've done this right?

[Parkbandit]

You realize we've done this right?

We've gone into Amsterdam and arrested people partaking in activities that are considered legal in Amsterdam but illegal in the United States?

Love to hear about it.

[Keller]

It's amazing that you are even in the law profession... though it does validate my general opinion about lawyers.

I can't play such an ignorant game that you propose, since the premise is unlawful.. we can't go to Amsterdam and arrest people who are partaking in activities that are unlawful in the US.

It is not a game. It we arrest someone from a foreign country should we (as a general principle) hold them without trial? Is that something you see the framers supporting?

[Daniel]

We've gone into Amsterdam and arrested people partaking in activities that are considered legal in Amsterdam but illegal in the United States?

Love to hear about it.

In amsterdam specifically? No.

In other countries? Yes.

[Parkbandit]

It is not a game. It we arrest someone from a foreign country should we (as a general principle) hold them without trial? Is that something you see the framers supporting?

I suppose you must be referring to the people we are currently holding in Club Gitmo.

Your assertion that they are covered by the US Constitution. My assertion is that they are not as they are not US citizens and they are enemy combatants. I believe the proper avenue for their legal rights would be a military tribunal.

I see how you attempted to turn this around after your failure at stating a case that every person in the world is somehow covered by the UNITED STATES Constitution... but I'll let that go because I'm a nice guy.

[Jace Solo]

How about hanging for crimes against the US? or War Crimes? I dunno, I'm down for military tribunal, which is a trial. At least they get something...guess how my friends in the military get tried over there if they're lucky enough to get separated and apprehended by our enemies...it involves a dull machete, not a jury of our peers.

But you knew that.

[Parkbandit]

How about hanging for crimes against the US? or War Crimes? I dunno, I'm down for military tribunal, which is a trial. At least they get something...guess how my friends in the military get tried over there if they're lucky enough to get separated and apprehended by our enemies...it involves a dull machete, not a jury of our peers.

But you knew that.

Why do you hate our muslim brothers so much? You do realize we are a muslim nation, don't you?

[Stanley Burrell]

How about hanging for crimes against the US? or War Crimes? I dunno, I'm down for military tribunal, which is a trial. At least they get something...guess how my friends in the military get tried over there if they're lucky enough to get separated and apprehended by our enemies...it involves a dull machete, not a jury of our peers.

But you knew that.

I'd try the people who were dumbfucked enough that they sent our boys and girls to die for a goddamn lie and protect the stoic efforts of Halliburton.

[Methais]

I'd try the people who were dumbfucked enough that they sent our boys and girls to die for a goddamn lie and protect the stoic efforts of Halliburton.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/JagsFanMatt-DoubleFacepalmRickerPic.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/JagsFanMatt-DoubleFacepalmRickerPic.jpg

Facepalm all you want. Our men and women died out there for a war that shouldn't have happened in the first place (or should have if you think Iraq is still harboring nuke-u-lar weapons.)

Each and every soldier who died and will die in Iraq's blood is on the hands, firstly, of their direct murderers, make no mistake about that. And, IMHO, their blood is on the hands, as a close second, of the politicians who saw it fit to create this mess that has destroyed lives of our people. For nothing. Maintaining order now? Sure. But not a single American would be dead in Iraq if it hadn't been for the colossal fuck-up of the Bush administration. I'd like to be proven otherwise.

Edit: I'd slap Bush II for being Cheney's Igor.

[Methais]

Facepalm all you want.

RGR
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/Worf_notagain2.gif

[Stanley Burrell]

Heh. What's RGR?

[Methais]

Heh. What's RGR?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNRXJEE3Nz8

[Parkbandit]

I'd try the people who were dumbfucked enough that they sent our boys and girls to die for a goddamn lie and protect the stoic efforts of Halliburton.

Sweet Jesus man.. get an education and move out of your momma's basement already. I think the dryer fumes have deprived your brain some much needed oxygen.

[Stanley Burrell]

Sweet Jesus man.. get an education and move out of your momma's basement already. I think the dryer fumes have deprived your brain some much needed oxygen.

Sheddep.

P.S. Don't critique my education when you graduated from SUNY Albany on the dean's list for your degree in hotel management. I, nor anyone on these forums give's a rat's flying behind about your recycled garbage of lame insults and financial comparisons. Don't pretend like you could imagine a glimmer of insight into what my collegiate education is or isn't.

P.P.S. I don't really care about the momma's basement crack because my mom is awesome and I love my parents' house. And, If I ever stay in your shitty hotel, I'm stealing your amnesties, old fogey :heart:

[Parkbandit]

Sheddep.

P.S. Don't critique my education when you graduated from SUNY Albany on the dean's list for your degree in hotel management. I, nor anyone on these forums give's a rat's flying behind about your recycled garbage of lame insults and financial comparisons. Don't pretend like you could imagine a glimmer of insight into what my collegiate education is or isn't.

P.P.S. I don't really care about the momma's basement crack because my mom is awesome and I love my parents' house. And, If I ever stay in your shitty hotel, I'm stealing your amnesties, old fogey :heart:

Quoted because someone in their 30's still living at home is hilarious.

[Stanley Burrell]

Quoted because someone in their 30's still living at home is hilarious.

Excuse me, Mr. kicking-40's-door-down, but I'm pretty certain I'm nowhere near thirty. But ... I ain't gonna front: There is no way I'm going to be able to grad work without coming home to air conditioning, so yeah, 29-30 in five to six years sounds about right.

Ladies, my mom is an O.K. chef, stop by.

[Parkbandit]

Excuse me, Mr. kicking-40's-door-down, but I'm pretty certain I'm nowhere near thirty. But ... I ain't gonna front: There is no way I'm going to be able to grad work without coming home to air conditioning, so yeah, 29-30 in five to six years sounds about right.

Ladies, my mom is an O.K. chef, stop by.

http://api.ning.com/files/YPvftwodV04xjISr0yYrSqaGILFnnGkQVNOwvSLq5jhOkbmpEW qzFa7O8lR2l7EDrrqwTVfNlNvN58MvsMVWq1EyhM2XNqQl/large_StepBrotherslarge.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

I'd get a double bed but I have like no game. I keep telling myself close quarters are more intimate: To my humped pillow.

P.S. PB, it's on. 3:00PM, the schoolyard, no teachers.

[Parkbandit]

I'd get a double bed but I have like no game. I keep telling myself close quarters are more intimate: To my humped pillow.

P.S. PB, it's on. 3:00PM, the schoolyard, no teachers.

You should get bunkbeds.. then there would be so much more room for activities.......

[Stanley Burrell]

You should get bunkbeds.. then there would be so much more room for activities.......

That's a good idea, but I have to pay for braces first.

[4a6c1]

revoking all opinions that no longer matter

[Androidpk]

I'd get a double bed but I have like no game. I keep telling myself close quarters are more intimate: To my humped pillow.

P.S. PB, it's on. 3:00PM, the schoolyard, no teachers.

Here you go.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/fitnesbuf/Grandmas-Boy-fox05-1.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

Stanley, that old argument of 'ITS NOT OUR WAR, BIG-EARS LIED!OMG' is now irrelevant. Especially to the people in harms way.

The only thing that matters in Iraq right now is that those people are left with a rebuilt infrastructure, a tyrant-free government and hope for the future. We shouldnt leave until that is done. I just wish depolyments were shorter. Or at least something less than 16 months.

I guess it is a moot argument now. And since you are an attractive female, I will take your advice.

[Fallen]

Here you go.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/fitnesbuf/Grandmas-Boy-fox05-1.jpg

Grandma's Boy was an awesome, underrated movie.

[ClydeR]

Just like I said would happen, Obama is trying to foreignize our military. The Democrats are attaching things completely unrelated to the military to the defense bill. One of them is the DREAM Act, which says that foreigners can become citizens is they serve in the military.

McCain, who has long opposed such amnesty bills, is exactly right that it has no place in the defense bill. He's going to lead a filibuster to prevent the defense bill from being voted on until the Democrats get rid of that part of it.


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who cosponsored the 2007 mass amnesty bill, says he will block the Defense Authorization bill if the DREAM Act is attached to it. McCain says Sen. Reid's announcement that he'll try and bring the amnesty bill up for a vote is nothing more than a political move by a candidate in a tough re-election race.

“It’s a pure political act for Harry Reid, who is worried about his own re-election and that of the Democrats in the Senate,” McCain said. “So I intend to block it, unless they agree to remove these onerous provisions."

McCain is the Ranking Member on the Senate Armed Forces Committee. Committee chair Carl Levin (D-Mich.) expected to mark up the bill this week, but McCain's threat to filibuster non-defense related amendments could slow things up.

A report from Roll Call says that Reid is expected to offer a procedural motion on the defense bill this week and bring it to the Senate floor next Tuesday, but no one knows if he has the necessary 60 votes for cloture.

In 2007, McCain cosponsored the DREAM Act in addition to the "comprehensive immigration reform" bill, but he has taken a tougher approach after facing a tough primary challenge.

More... (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2590259/posts)

[Parkbandit]

McCain, who has long opposed such amnesty bills

Wait, the article you quoted states this in the very first sentence:


Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who cosponsored the 2007 mass amnesty bill

Your lack of intelligence has always been evident but now you don't even bother trying to mask it.

[Warriorbird]

Wait, the article you quoted states this in the very first sentence:



Your lack of intelligence has always been evident but now you don't even bother trying to mask it.

http://hij.sagepub.com/content/14/2/212.abstract

[Stanley Burrell]

Here you go.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj199/fitnesbuf/Grandmas-Boy-fox05-1.jpg

Grandma's Boy was an awesome, underrated movie.

True.

[Parkbandit]

http://hij.sagepub.com/content/14/2/212.abstract

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/igm75/funny%20pix/DUMBFUCK.jpg

[ClydeR]

WASHINGTON -- A decade after the United States launched two wars that put women at the front lines of unconventional fighting, the Pentagon crept closer Thursday to formally allowing them to serve in combat by announcing an additional 14,000 combat-related jobs for female service members.

The changes are intended to acknowledge the role women play in today's wars and give them more chances to rise up the military ranks. Particularly affected will be the Army, the largest of the services, where the vast majority of combat-related roles currently are held by men.

However, women still won't be allowed to serve in special forces or infantries - the front-line fighting units - causing some advocates and service members to argue that the changes don't go far enough.

More... (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/02/09/3419896/pentagon-to-open-more-combat-to.html)

They had a woman in the special forces in season 4 of The Unit. It looked like it was going to be okay for a while, but then it went bad.


The role of women in the U.S. military evolved dramatically over the past decade. As the demand for troops grew, particularly during the war in Iraq, women undeniably served on the front lines. Their commanders maneuvered around the Pentagon rules by attaching units with women in them to combat battalions, where women could do the work but wouldn't receive combat decorations or other credit for being in combat.

The U.S. military lags behind many of its coalition partners in Afghanistan on this issue. Canada, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy and Australia all allow women to serve in combat roles.

There is no reason why America should copy those other countries. Since our military is the best, the other countries should be copying us.

[~Rocktar~]

Holy necro a fucking dead thread!

[4a6c1]

They had a woman in the special forces in season 4 of The Unit. It looked like it was going to be okay for a while, but then it went bad.



There is no reason why America should copy those other countries. Since our military is the best, the other countries should be copying us.

I knew you were going to post about this and YES it pisses me off. Women were already in combat in Iraq doing "man jobs" they were not recruited to do and stupid sexist pigs who think otherwise because Rush Limbaugh tells them to can suck it. There is no way to argue this point with anything other than anecdotal evidence, obviously, because institutionalized facts are in place to counter those experiences. It's simply about equality and a backward male perception that continues to push a backward agenda . Oh well. The facts are in the sand.

Now back to your regularly scheduled ClydeR parody.

[Stanley Burrell]

I have a double bed.

[4a6c1]

I have a double bed.

Oooh, so grown up. :D

Edit: I just skimmed through this old thread. It looks like we used to be nicer to each other and the Repubs didnt used to be so angry and lashing out and stuff. Wowser.

[Androidpk]

If gay guys can have combat jobs I don't see why woman can't.

[Stanley Burrell]

Oooh, so grown up. :D

Edit: I just skimmed through this old thread. It looks like we used to be nicer to each other and the Repubs didnt used to be so angry and lashing out and stuff. Wowser.

Yeah, same here. Skimmed it, recognized the same thing: I don't use forum emoticons in my posts as much as I used to.

[4a6c1]

Yeah, same here: Pluto should be reclassified as a planet.

[Gelston]

I didn't read a damn thing in this thread, but as a combat veteran, and as a Marine Corps Infantryman, if someone serves their time, they are damn well deserving of citizenship.

[Back]

I didn't read a damn thing in this thread, but as a combat veteran, and as a Marine Corps Infantryman, if someone serves their time, they are damn well deserving of citizenship.

And anyone old enough to join the military should be old enough to drink legally.

[Androidpk]

I'm all for military service for citizenship.

[ClydeR]

Edit: I just skimmed through this old thread. It looks like we used to be nicer to each other and the Repubs didnt used to be so angry and lashing out and stuff. Wowser.

It's more righteous indignation than anger.

[ClydeR]

Here we go again.


U.S. Army leaders have begun to study the prospect of sending female soldiers to the service's prestigious Ranger school — another step in the effort to broaden opportunities for women in the military.

Gen. Raymond Odierno, Army chief of staff, said Monday that he's asked senior commanders to provide him with recommendations and a plan this summer. And while he stressed that no decisions have been made, he suggested that Ranger school may be a logical next step for women as they move into more jobs closer to the combat lines.

More... (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/army-reviews-women-ranger-school-16360414)

[4a6c1]

Natural progression. The all female "public test" special forces unit in Afghanistan was reported as performing off the charts. This is our military branches attempting to catch up with the rest of the world not to mention our own defense corporations, CIA, NSA.

[WRoss]

Natural progression. The all female "public test" special forces unit in Afghanistan was reported as performing off the charts. This is our military branches attempting to catch up with the rest of the world not to mention our own defense corporations, CIA, NSA.

Do you have any links for this? Sounds really interesting. Good step in the right direction.

[Androidpk]

I heard about that unit, apparently they were able to make well over 100 sammiches a day.

[4a6c1]

laffed

:(

[Androidpk]

laffed

:(

On a serious note.. :p

That is rather impressive, I hadn't heard about them but i'm glad to hear.

[4a6c1]

Do you have any links for this? Sounds really interesting. Good step in the right direction.

Sorry Ross I can't find anything about it in the news. I do know they are part of Army Special Operatons Command (USASOC) and train out of Bragg.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

The unit was able to do some stuff that the male teams couldn't do, if I recall.

I found this article:
http://www.military.com/news/article/female-special-operators-now-in-combat.html

But yeah, in cultures where women aren't allowed to talk to men who aren't their immediate family or husband or be seen unveiled, it's dead useful to be able to send in women, both for outreach and gathering intelligence.

Another article on it:

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-03/us/us_women-special-forces_1_afghan-women-special-forces-military-women?_s=PM:US

Pretty bad ass, I'm happy to see the special forces opening up further.

[Geijon]

Obama has been in office less than a month, and he is already messing up both the military and our immigration policy. We don't need more immigrants, and we definitely don't need a military with fewer Americans in it.

Besides that, it will let undercover terrorists into the military.

Hey. Let's revisit this.