View Full Version : Global Anti-Scientology Protests This Weekend
Necromancer
02-12-2009, 08:10 PM
I'm not sure how many of you are aware of the organization Anonymous, but they've pretty much single-handedly begun taking the "Church" of Scientology down.
If you don't know about the sordid history of the cult (yeah folks, it's a cult), you should read up on it. It's absolutely disgusting the things they've gotten away with. They're responsible for the largest heist of government documents in US history, bullied the IRS by launching thousands of litigation suits against the organization and its individual members in order to get their tax-exempt status, and have been using hypnosis techniques in their "classes" to brainwash folks.
Anyway, the group Anonymous is a little dramatic/15 year-old honestly, but they're doing good work.
Anonymous celebrates one year of protests.
Los Angeles, CA/Boston, MA/Clearwater, FL/Washington DC (vary) – The internet-based collective known as Anonymous will mark their one year anniversary of peaceful protests against the Church of Scientology this February with global protests spanning several weekends.
Anonymous has raised global public awareness of the Church of Scientology's scams and scandals over the last twelve months.
Highlights from the last twelve months include:
1) Court rejects Clearwater injunction in early March [1].
The Scientology organisation attempted to fabricate enough threats against themselves to convince a court in Clearwater, Florida (the Scientology "Mecca") to grant an injunction against peaceful Anonymous protests[2].
2) Scientology under investigation worldwide.
*Raided by the Belgian authorities [3].
*Ordered to stand trial for fraud in France [4].
*In Kazakhstan, authorities are seeking to have the local chapter removed as the Church of Scientology "runs counter to principles of national security of the Republic of Kazakhstan, as it is aimed at undermining Kazakh nation's health through inflicting harm on people's psychic and physical health" [5].
3) Scientology front groups exposed.
Leaked documents [6] have exposed the aims and intentions of the many Scientology front groups. These documents prove that despite the groups' insisting that the methods are secular, they are in fact founded upon the Scientology preudo-religious teachings. These front groups include: Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR, anti-psychiatry wing of Scientology) [7]; Narconon (drug rehab program based on Scientology, not related to Narcotics Anonymous) [8]; Study Technology (Hubbard’s learning methodologies promoted by Applied Scholastics and other such groups) [9]; World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) [10] and Second Chance/Criminon [11] among others.
4) German government extend official invitation to Anonymous.
German authorities organised a conference last September in Hamburg entitled “What is Scientology?” and extended an official invitation to Anonymous to attend. Scientology representative Tommy Davis was denied access on the grounds that “If you discuss the dangers of illegal drugs, you do not invite the drug dealer to speak on stage” [12]. Speeches given at this conference are available online [13].
This year has seen much headway in the fight against the Scientology enterprise. Many of their internal documents and policies have been leaked [14], many media organisations have lost their fear of reporting on Scientology [15], critical documentaries have achieved worldwide circulation [16], and lawsuits have been filed that will further expose the enterprise [17].
The global release of John Duignan’s book ‘The Complex: An Insider Exposes the Covert World of the Church of Scientology’ [18], which is still blocked from sale in the UK due to Scientology's efforts[19], has served to raise awareness about Scientology in the UK, as well as any country whose citizens heard about this censorship [20].
What a difference a year makes. Scientology operatives still continue to paint Anonymous in a negative light as a means of distracting attention from Scientology operations and attempting to discredit those who bring truth to the issues at hand. It just isn’t working.
It has been some twelve months – time to finish what was started.
About Anonymous:
Anonymous is a grassroots collective comprised of ordinary people from all walks of life, from former Scientologists and long-time cult activists, to college students and corporate professionals, all united in recognition of the malign nature of the 'Church' of Scientology, the danger it poses to society, and the necessity of action.
We are Anonymous.
We are legion.
We do not forgive,
We do not forget.
Expect us.
For more information visit:
http://www.whyweprotest.net
http://forums.whyweprotest.net
http://library.endthecult.com
http://anonstillalive.com
References:
[1] Media coverage of the court’s decision:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/article416511.ece
[2] Video analysis showing that Scientology manufactured the bomb threat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6pdGhHvwu8
[3] Media coverage of the Belgian authorities raid:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Authorities_in_Belgium_raid_Church_of_Scientology
[4] Media coverage of the France trial:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/09/france.religion
[5] Media coverage of the Kazakhstan case:
http://www.interfax.com/3/468595/news.aspx
[6] Leaked Scientology document exposing their front groups:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Talk:The_Corporations_of_Scientology
[7] Media coverage of the build up to the CCHR event held June 2008:
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2008/06/27/story66081.asp
[8] Media coverage exposing plans to use Narconon to infiltrate Irish schools:
http://anoneire.ning.com/profiles/blogs/cult-watchdog-says-scientology
[9] Extensive analysis exposing Study Technology as poorly veiled Scientology:
http://www.studytech.org/study_tech.php
Irish
[10] WISE company Diskeeper is being sued for forcing Scientology teachings upon its employees:
http://realitybasedcommunity.net/archive/2008/12/former_cio_sues.php
[11] Second chance violating there lease in New Mexico and leaving a substantial bill after they fled:
http://kob.com/article/stories/S761360.shtml?cat=500
[12] Coverage of the conference:
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/09/06/18533664.php
[13] The speeches made at the Hamburg conference:
http://www.youtube.com/user/AboutScientology
[14] Leaked Scientology documents:
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Scientology
[15] Australian news broadcasts portions of the infamous OT3 lecture in Hubbard’s own voice for the first time. OT3 is a level in Scientology which costs its members thousands of euro to learn. It’s basic teachings is that all life’s anxieties and worries are caused by the infestation of dead alien souls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0WetfWy3hE
[16] A selection of documentaries about Scientology from various countries:
Spain - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3cNdLK3tqs
Ireland - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDb2e4vdy4
Germany - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl8gVtKzD5Q
Israel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsqMqtpU44o
England - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dv4u3fVQrU
Denmark - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6722222657154769083
[17] Analysis of the Headley’s cases against the Scientology enterprise:
http://realitybasedcommunity.net/archive/2009/01/marc_headley_v_1.php
http://realitybasedcommunity.net/archive/2009/01/claire_headley.php
[18] Buy ‘The Complex’ here:
http://www.eason.ie/items/9781903582848
[19] Scientology prevents UK-based booksellers from stocking ‘The Complex’:
http://anoneire.ning.com/profiles/blogs/church-of-scientology-prevents
[20] Recent interview of John Duignan on the Gerry Ryan show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRcRkpaA_7k
Celephais
02-12-2009, 08:11 PM
http://www.genehack.org/images/oh-fuck.jpg
Some Rogue
02-12-2009, 08:30 PM
Step 1. Get a gun.
Step 2. Drink heavily
Step 3. ?????
Step 4. The PC profits?
Euler
02-12-2009, 08:34 PM
good luck with that. I don't give two shits about Scientology either way, but I do know that you:
DON'T
FUCK
WITH
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/08/20/tom-cruise-valkyrie.jpg
Stanley Burrell
02-12-2009, 08:35 PM
Yeah, they suck.
Parkbandit
02-12-2009, 08:37 PM
OMG I HURD TOM CRUISE EATS MEET!!!
Necromancer
02-12-2009, 09:01 PM
No good luck necessary- this is their deal not mine. I HATE Scientology, but it's not exactly one of my top issues.
Though anyone who's "indifferent" about Scientology should google the following:
Operation Snow White (largest heist of government docs in the history of the US)
Operation Freak Out (skeeerrrry)
Fair Game (+Scientology)
Rehabilitation Project Force
Euler
02-12-2009, 09:07 PM
Holy FUCK!!!!!one!!!one!11!
Thanks for the links. That shit is deep, and I can trust it because they couldn't put it on the internetz were it not true.
Tea & Strumpets
02-12-2009, 09:10 PM
No good luck necessary- this is their deal not mine. I HATE Scientology, but it's not exactly one of my top issues.
Though anyone who's "indifferent" about Scientology should google the following:
Operation Snow White (largest heist of government docs in the history of the US)
Operation Freak Out (skeeerrrry)
Fair Game (+Scientology)
Rehabilitation Project Force
Some of your past opinions/arguments have reached such epic heights of retard, that people are hesitant to agree with you about scientologists.
Stretch
02-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Henceforth I pledge to eat a piece of dead animal for every Necromancer post.
Henceforth I pledge to eat a piece of dead animal for every Necromancer post.
I’m calling Dominoes for their most meat pizza right now.
Some Rogue
02-12-2009, 09:29 PM
I preemptively ate some cow tonight.
Warriorbird
02-12-2009, 09:39 PM
I think I'm gonna have to cook a steak and savor some protest footage.
Danical
02-12-2009, 11:45 PM
Henceforth I pledge to eat a piece of dead animal for every Necromancer post.
You didn't get enough already?
Have you thought about going on the show Man vs. Food?
Apotheosis
02-13-2009, 12:12 AM
operation clambake is another good website to take a peek at.
Also, Landmark Forum / EST has some influence/basis from Scientology... I'd do my homework before getting involved with them.
also funny:
South Park's Scientology Episode:
Season 9, e 12
Fallen
02-13-2009, 12:33 AM
http://www.genehack.org/images/oh-fuck.jpg
I suppose it is an indication of a problem when I spent several moments puzzling how Cloak of Shadows forces abortions on people.
TheRunt
02-13-2009, 12:53 AM
operation clambake is another good website to take a peek at.
Also, Landmark Forum / EST has some influence/basis from Scientology... I'd do my homework before getting involved with them.
also funny:
South Park's Scientology Episode:
Season 9, e 12
www.clambake.org
An that south park is funny when they re-aired it the actor who does the voice of chef quit in protest. Isaac Hayes I think? Mom, Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet.
Necromancer
02-13-2009, 01:58 AM
OH NOEZ PEOPLE POSTED THAT THEY EAT MEAT!
Honestly, if you're dying to show you have no life just say it. No need to hide behind stupid comments.
And yeah, Clambake is awesome. www.xenu.net
Scios are really, REALLY scary. They have a long history of utterly destroying anyone who dared to criticize them. They love their litigation (done not to win but to decimate their target), have framed people for felonies (and have been caught several times), used physical harassment, have hired PIs to uncover dirt and run smear campaigns (www.religiousfreedomwatch.org is one of MANY examples of this), and bullied their way into tax-exemption.
The crazy thing is, there's is an insane amount of informatinon out there that directly links them to their crimes (government investigations, court documents, leaked internal documents, personal testimonies, etc). Several countries around the world have been investigating them (Belgium, France, Germany, Australia, etc). But their tactics have been so effective that they've managed to stay above the law for a long time. Up until Anonymous showed up, media were mostly terrified to run critical stories on them. And Government agencies in the US are still afraid to go after them after they absolutely owned the IRS.
Reading up on the history of the CoS is like reading a really well-written conspiracy novel. Every page is a new web in the story. But the scary thing is...this one is actually legit.
Danical
02-13-2009, 03:32 AM
I'm a Goon, so I've already got more than enough Scientology history under my belt.
That said, carry on.
diethx
02-13-2009, 01:33 PM
Some of your past opinions/arguments have reached such epic heights of retard, that people are hesitant to agree with you about scientologists.
I would like to vouch for the validity of this statement.
Also, I just ate a cheeseburger. And it was fucking delicious.
Jorddyn
02-13-2009, 01:37 PM
I'm not hungry, but the place I work is slaughtering approximately 20,000 turkeys today. Is that good enough?
TheEschaton
02-13-2009, 01:42 PM
Yeah, can you believe it? All of us already think Scientology is whacko, but your mere hatred of Scientology is enough for us to not denounce it.
Fallen
02-13-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm not hungry, but the place I work is slaughtering approximately 20,000 turkeys today. Is that good enough?
That's awesome. Your job outperforms mine on the, "You're going to hell even if that turkey's soul is worth 1/1000th of a human one.", scale.
Jorddyn
02-13-2009, 01:47 PM
That's awesome. Your job outperforms mine on the, "You're going to hell even if that turkey's soul is worth 1/1000th of a human one.", scale.
That, uh, makes me wonder which 20 people you'll be killing today.
Fallen
02-13-2009, 01:51 PM
That, uh, makes me wonder which 20 people you'll be killing today.
I only killed like 1/10'th of a human soul today. I'm good. It adds up faster during monkey studies.
< ---- Is going to hell.
crazymage
02-13-2009, 02:00 PM
<--- is joining scientology
Boston
Church of Scientology of Boston
448 Beacon Street
Boston, MA 02115
United States
www.scientology-boston.org
CrystalTears
02-13-2009, 02:03 PM
I'm not a fan of Scientology or their beliefs. However seeing as how I hold my own beliefs about different things, I wouldn't want some group to try and take my beliefs away. Leave me the fuck alone, so I'm willing to leave them the fuck alone.
I'm going to eat a baby lamb if I can possibly manage it tonight now.
Jorddyn
02-13-2009, 02:24 PM
I'm going to eat a baby lamb if I can possibly manage it tonight now.
Wrap it in bacon.
Necromancer
02-13-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm not a fan of Scientology or their beliefs. However seeing as how I hold my own beliefs about different things, I wouldn't want some group to try and take my beliefs away. Leave me the fuck alone, so I'm willing to leave them the fuck alone.
I'm going to eat a baby lamb if I can possibly manage it tonight now.
No one is attacking Scio's beliefs. In fact, I'm a HUGE supporter of Free Zone (an organization of people who have escaped the Scientolgy Church but who still practice LRH's writings).
It's the actions of the so-called Church that are under scrutiny. Again, Google Operation Snow White if you want to get an idea of what people are so angry over. Research the history of this "church", and you may very well find yourself less sympathetic.
Stanley Burrell
02-13-2009, 02:29 PM
<--- is joining scientology
Boston
Church of Scientology of Boston
448 Beacon Street
Boston, MA 02115
United States
www.scientology-boston.org
:wtf:
Last edited by crazymage : 02-13-2009 at 02:00 PM. Reason: ate a cheeseburger
Ah... ::knowing nod::
CrystalTears
02-13-2009, 02:38 PM
No one is attacking Scio's beliefs. In fact, I'm a HUGE supporter of Free Zone (an organization of people who have escaped the Scientolgy Church but who still practice LRH's writings).So why the fuck are you posting this shit here?
diethx
02-13-2009, 02:47 PM
Because he's an attention whore?
No one is attacking Scio's beliefs.
I am its fucking stupid.
Necromancer
02-13-2009, 10:44 PM
Yeah, jesus, why would someone spread the word about a series of protests they support on a large internet forum with lots of people who read it?
Must be an attention whore.
You know, your grasp of logic is amazing. I happen to know this REALLY fantastic church that has a lot of people you'd get along great with.
www.scientology.org. Please, give it a try.
In the meantime, I'm not even playing this game any longer. Now that the release is posted, my work is done.
diethx
02-13-2009, 10:48 PM
http://www.naproom.mu.nu/pics/steak.jpg
Celephais
02-13-2009, 10:49 PM
Stef, I love your meat.
diethx
02-13-2009, 10:50 PM
Yes, yes I know.
Celephais
02-13-2009, 10:54 PM
Yes, yes I know.
http://www.deadlylight.com/images/stefvalentine.jpg
diethx
02-13-2009, 10:55 PM
LOL
radamanthys
02-14-2009, 04:32 AM
Meh, as much as Q's values are not your own, this is actually a salient issue he brings up.
The 'church' has done some really fucked up stuff over the years.
Read up before you make a value judgement here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYPzty4S7cI&NR=1 is a good place to start
Celephais
02-14-2009, 05:05 AM
I suppose it is an indication of a problem when I spent several moments puzzling how Cloak of Shadows forces abortions on people.
CHANNEL COATHANGER!
thefarmer
02-14-2009, 05:34 AM
Meh, as much as Q's values are not your own, this is actually a salient issue he brings up.
The 'church' has done some really fucked up stuff over the years.
Plenty of churches have done (and are still doing) things that most folks don't agree with.
CrystalTears
02-14-2009, 11:25 AM
Meh, as much as Q's values are not your own, this is actually a salient issue he brings up.
The 'church' has done some really fucked up stuff over the years.
And when they fuck up, they get dealt with legally. There is no reason for a group to rally against them. All religions/organizations have their huge cons, but if that's what people want to do with their life, so be it.
As long as groups like the KKK are allowed to exist, I don't see the big deal with letting Scientologists do their own thing too. It's called freedom of religion... even if I feel that Scientology isn't really a religion, it's still not for me to say that they can't follow it.
And when they fuck up, they get dealt with legally. There is no reason for a group to rally against them. All religions/organizations have their huge cons, but if that's what people want to do with their life, so be it.
As long as groups like the KKK are allowed to exist, I don't see the big deal with letting Scientologists do their own thing too. It's called freedom of religion... even if I feel that Scientology isn't really a religion, it's still not for me to say that they can't follow it.
Well...at least the KKK tells you from the outset your going to hate minorities and plant crosses in peoples yard. They dont make you pay 500k dollars to read a secret document that tells you about it. Their both groups of crazy people but at least the KKK is honest and upfront about being insane.
Euler
02-14-2009, 09:58 PM
Their both groups of crazy people but at least the KKK is honest and upfront about being insane.
just helping Diethx out here,
They're
carry on.
Mighty Nikkisaurus
02-15-2009, 06:00 AM
CHANNEL COATHANGER!
lolol
Fallen
02-15-2009, 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Celephais http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=890306#post890306)
CHANNEL COATHANGER!
lolol >>
I don't get it.
:(
holocene
02-15-2009, 11:28 AM
Anonymous is doing amazing work. I always give them a thumb's up and a heya when I walk by their masked minions outside the Scientologist's Dupont HQ.
Warriorbird
02-15-2009, 11:30 AM
KKK doesn't function as a giant tax dodge, CT, to their fucked up credit. Scientology does.
CrystalTears
02-15-2009, 06:22 PM
KKK doesn't function as a giant tax dodge, CT, to their fucked up credit. Scientology does.
And I think you're all missing my point when I say that I really don't give a shit what they do, because as long as they're able to believe and follow what they want, so can I, which is what's fucking great about America. When they break the law, they get caught and pay the price, that's the most that one can ask. But when people start telling others which organizations are worth following and which should be taken away, it jeopardizes a part of this great country's ability to grant us all freedom of religion.
Don't like religions, don't like these types of organizations, don't like their practices... great. Speak out about them, tell your neighbors and friends, shout it on the rooftops. Just as long as rallies NEVER cause any organization or religion to get eliminated.
Mighty Nikkisaurus
02-15-2009, 06:27 PM
I don't get it.
:(
...
Really?
It's a reference to coathangers that were used sometimes in back alley abortions, back when they were illegal.
ViridianAsp
02-15-2009, 11:15 PM
When they break the law, they get caught and pay the price, that's the most that one can ask.
From what I recall, they have broken the law. It's like a scary religious cult that should be taken out. Saying "Do your own thing" is like saying, Jonestown was great and they should have gotten to do their own thing...Oh wait, they coerced and even forced their followers into committing suicide.
While I know, everyone says most religions are like that, but still, last I checked you didn't have to pay thousands of dollars to sit in church pick up the bible and read it.
Suppa Hobbit Mage
02-16-2009, 01:29 AM
Scios are really, REALLY scary. They have a long history of utterly destroying anyone who dared to criticize them.
Reading up on the history of the CoS is like reading a really well-written conspiracy novel. Every page is a new web in the story. But the scary thing is...this one is actually legit.
Please replace Scientologists with Catholic Church, and it still works.
Or Microsoft. Or George Bush.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/imagedream/Funny/tinfoilhat.jpg
Warriorbird
02-16-2009, 01:31 AM
SHM = Tom Cruise
!!!
Faent
02-16-2009, 02:19 AM
You have to completely braindead to take scientology seriously. When you see one of those people, you know you're looking at someone who has performed an auto-lobotomy with a melon baller.
Clove
02-16-2009, 09:04 AM
...is like saying, Jonestown was great and they should have gotten to do their own thing...Oh wait, they coerced and even forced their followers into committing suicide...No, it's not. Please don't compare Scientology to Jonestown; it's disrespectful to the memories of those who were forced to poison themselves, or their children and to the few who barely escaped with their lives.
Scientology may break laws and they may swindle people- but it is in NO way in the same league as Jonestown. As far as I know, Scientologists aren't holding people against their wills in remote camps and the fools that follow them can stop following them at will.
just helping Diethx out here,
They're
carry on.
Diethx is not a grammar Nazi and she can fit in a bathrobe. Maybe she should be helping you.
LMingrone
02-16-2009, 10:56 AM
I went to, but didn't join, the Goons and 4channers at the last protest. The cops were blocking the damn Scientology building but were generally lenient on the protesters.
I just did a few drive-bys to take pictures. I hate Scientology as much as the next guy, but damn if I'm going to waste time standing out in the cold to yell at people that don't have a brain to begin with.
Anyone near the New Haven, ct area (Stanley, I'm looking at you), all the protests take place right near the "church" and bookstore next to SCSU.
BigWorm
02-16-2009, 01:42 PM
I still can't believe how much hype there has been for a bunch of /b/-tards trolling IRL.
Warriorbird
02-16-2009, 01:50 PM
They're doing something that people can relate to. Hacking Palin's email got them attention too.
Mistomeer
02-16-2009, 04:34 PM
Scientology may break laws and they may swindle people- but it is in NO way in the same league as Jonestown.
Of course they're not in the same league, but the techniques of intimidation, violence and brainwashing are similar.
As far as I know, Scientologists aren't holding people against their wills in remote camps and the fools that follow them can stop following them at will.
You should do more research. Scientology has held people against their will. Scientology has used intimidation and violence to discourage people from leaving and to silence critics. Of course CoS isn't in the same league in as Jonestown in terms of deaths, but it's an American cult so there are some similarities:
1 - Get members to give you all their money making the Cult more powerful and the member more dependent
2 - Brainwash members and convince them that they need the Cult
3 - Use violence and intimidation to silence critics and discourage members from leaving.
Personally, I think the country has bigger problems than Scientology.
Sean of the Thread
02-16-2009, 05:19 PM
I live in Clearwater I should have went if I wasn't afraid of their SMG toting goons and my picture be blasted all over.
and no they're not taking down the scieno's. They are still building and building strong .. as in buildings and buying property here in Clearwater. And they spare no expense at tracking you down and harrassing you at your job or home.
LMingrone
02-16-2009, 06:01 PM
I think people here are arguing on different subjects. I could give a fuck less if someone wants to believe in Scientology, FSM, Jesus, etc.... but they are very much like Jonestown. They have held (kidnapped), and directly led to the deaths of many people.
It's a group whose only goal is to make money off of weak people. That's pretty F'd up in my opinion. I would call myself athiest or agnostic, still haven't figured it out...but I can go walk into most churches, pay them nothing, and still be treated like a human being. This "church" is a total scam, and their only goal is to find weak people and rape their bank accounts.
But if people are willing to fall for it, it's Darwin at work.
And Tom Cruise only joined because he couldn't handle the fact that he's gay.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Ravenstorm
02-17-2009, 10:00 PM
Breaking News: Psychiatry to blame for 9/11 (http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/16/scientology-tv-show.html).
Clove
02-18-2009, 02:29 PM
Of course they're not in the same league, but the techniques of intimidation, violence and brainwashing are similar.
You should do more research. Scientology has held people against their will. Scientology has used intimidation and violence to discourage people from leaving and to silence critics. Of course CoS isn't in the same league in as Jonestown in terms of deaths, but it's an American cult so there are some similarities:
1 - Get members to give you all their money making the Cult more powerful and the member more dependent
2 - Brainwash members and convince them that they need the Cult
3 - Use violence and intimidation to silence critics and discourage members from leaving.Yes but what do you mean by intimidation, violence and brainwashing, and how organized/widespread in the organization is it? I certainly could claim all three were used in my Catholic upbringing and I've seen all three used in born-again sects to varying degrees. As for it being a cult, as far as I know cults aren't illegal unless their activities are. As for their goal of getting money from stupid people; you've just described most every telemarketer I've spoken too, and they also aren't illegal.
Now if you're talking about the sort of extreme intimidation, violence and brainwashing used at Jonestown; i.e. threatening people with deadly weapons, beatings, isolation, setting member against member to inspire paranoia, forced exposure to repetitive messages, etc, etc, etc- I would expect numerous formal complaints to the authorities just as there were in the case of Jonestown. Hell even altar-boy molestation by the Catholic church has come to the light of day. Surely if Scientology were abusing members in such a fashion we'd be seeing widespread evidence of it in our courts and in our news services- not just on Anti-Scientology pages. We get it; you think they suck.
Personally, I think the country has bigger problems than Scientology.Which is basically what I'm saying. We're of one mind there. Does Scientology suck? Yeah, that's my opinion. Are there a million more important things to protest? Yeah, that's my opinon.
Parkbandit
02-18-2009, 03:34 PM
You have to completely braindead to take scientology seriously. When you see one of those people, you know you're looking at someone who has performed an auto-lobotomy with a melon baller.
Wait, what?
If I understand Scientology correctly, the basic premise is that life on the Earth was brought to it by by aliens about 75 million years ago from many different planets.
That's outrageous!! That's preposterous!!!
But an alien named "God" creating the Earth and all life in 7 days about 6000 years ago is completely accepted and should be believed...
They both require a gigantic suspension of reality.
LMingrone
02-18-2009, 03:47 PM
THE EARTH AND OUR LIVES WERE CREATED BY GOOD SPAGHETTI WITH PREMIER ITALIAN MEATBALLS AND FRESH TOMATO SAUCE!
Oh, and the meatball has eyes. Just pick those out.
Clove
02-18-2009, 03:50 PM
Wait, what?
If I understand Scientology correctly, the basic premise is that life on the Earth was brought to it by by aliens about 75 million years ago from many different planets.
That's outrageous!! That's preposterous!!!
But an alien named "God" creating the Earth and all life in 7 days about 6000 years ago is completely accepted and should be believed...
They both require a gigantic suspension of reality.Oh I don't know, since none of us were there, and even science can't prove how we all got here and the universe is infinite (and strange) I consider all theories about our origins equally possible; but I'm not about to give someone money for his "surefire explanation" either.
LMingrone
02-18-2009, 04:03 PM
I think most modern day Catholics (And most of the Jews that I know) take a lot of that "7 days" "Eden" "Noah's Ark" ...etc to be more as lessons and Fables.
I couldn't care less what someone wants to believe in. Every religion or cult has crazies, just like everyone has that one crazy aunt in the family.
Parkbandit
02-18-2009, 04:04 PM
Oh I don't know, since none of us were there, and even science can't prove how we all got here and the universe is infinite (and strange) I consider all theories about our origins equally possible; but I'm not about to give someone money for his "surefire explanation" either.
My point is that it's no more idiotic to believe in Scientology than it is to believe in any religion.
CrystalTears
02-18-2009, 04:05 PM
My point is that it's no more idiotic to believe in Scientology than it is to believe in any religion.
Which is why it's pointless to point out which religion deserves to be closed down and others to remain. It's a slippery slope that I hope never comes to fruition.
Clove
02-18-2009, 04:32 PM
My point is that it's no more idiotic to believe in Scientology than it is to believe in any religion.Or any scientific theory of our origins for that matter since there are still too many gaps in our data and understanding to fully explain how we all got here, was my point. Don't get me wrong, scientific investigation is where it's at and it will one day HAVE those answers; but we aren't there yet.
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