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ClydeR
02-03-2009, 03:33 PM
According to the article below, "60% of all U.S. workers rely on 401(k)s as their primary retirement fund." With the stock market down 40% over the last 12 months, many people are understandably nervous about the security of their retirement. And some people are openly wondering if Congress made a mistake 30 years ago when it began encouraging 401(k) and similar retirement plans, instead of traditional pension plans.


Here's the problem: In 1978, when Congress amended the Internal Revenue Code to include Section 401(k), it envisioned the provision mainly as a way for workers to supplement their companies' traditional defined-benefit pension plans and Social Security. (Secondarily, it also was a nifty hideaway where highly paid executives could shelter income from taxes.)

Nobody at the time envisioned the 401(k) as something on which people would rely for their retirement.

But in the years that followed, more and more employers began to look for ways to get out of funding the pension and health plans that, up to then, had been regarded as part of the responsible capitalist social contract. Two innovations in political ideology -- one on the left and one on the right -- provided superb cover for the companies' greed.

For the Democrats, "choice" became a mantra, and the 401(k) suddenly became a mechanism through which working people could "choose" how to fund and manage their own retirement. On the Republican side, the notion of "an ownership society" came into vogue. There, the theory was that giving working people an ownership interest in the equities market would promote greater personal responsibility and make people better citizens.

More... (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/la-oe-rutten10-2009jan10,1,147265.column)

Stanley Burrell
02-03-2009, 03:38 PM
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Jorddyn
02-03-2009, 03:43 PM
And some people are openly wondering if Congress made a mistake 30 years ago when it began encouraging 401(k) and similar retirement plans, instead of traditional pension plans.

Given that the traditional pension plans are also in jeopardy due to being invested in the exact same market as an individual 401k, I don't think that's the issue.


Essentially, millions of us have been conscripted into the equities markets, where we have helped fuel stock prices and provided a bonanza for the financial services companies that manage and sell investment funds.

Um, does the writer think pensions are invested in CDs at the local bank?

CrystalTears
02-03-2009, 03:46 PM
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

NocturnalRob
02-03-2009, 03:52 PM
Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
especially if those eggs come first

Ignot
02-03-2009, 04:13 PM
I think 401k's being completely self-directed is an issue that should be looked at as well as the way the investment options are chosen for the employees.

phantasm
02-03-2009, 04:30 PM
An investment in any stock portfolio, is an investment in the country itself.
You can rest assured, if you find yourself holding a bunch of worthless investments at the end of it, that this will not be your primary concern.
If the stock market has crashed that drastically, your going to be unemployed, scrounging dumpsters for food.
You obviously fear the stock market, because the fate of your money ends up in someone elses hands. Likely, that person is much more qualified to do things with your money than you are.
I know your thinking holy shit, instead of investing in stocks, I could just buy some gold, or put it in a bank account, or just stuff it in a safe in my bedroom.

If you keep your money in a safe in your bedroom, it will be safe from market crashes, but like anything, money isn't permenant, it will lose its value due to inflation.

The only way I can think for you to feel like you have more control of your money, and therefore can face palm only yourself when you lose it all.
Would be to stash it into a bank for a few years and then when you have a substantial sum invest it back into yourself.
Buying land, farming, ranching, or creating a company of your own that you will closely monitor and attempt to keep above the water as the rest of the country crashes.