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US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=iran&sid=breitbart.com) shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to "unclench its fist".
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Mahmoud+Ahmadinejad&sid=breitbart.com) launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.073ba2ee2f1f00668848a4655420fed c.411&show_article=1
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Well, there's a big suprise.
This was kind of expected (response) to Obama's strategy of direct contact. I'm more interested to see what Obama's next move is.
I know! Lets make a poll.
Parkbandit
02-01-2009, 08:29 AM
Looks like Hillary hit it on the head when she called Obama "Naive" and "inexperienced".
Methais
02-01-2009, 12:21 PM
Iran's gonna nuke us and it will be Obama's fault.
phantasm
02-01-2009, 01:14 PM
Hmm, I better start construction of teh bomb shelter. This will be far superior to any at home bomb shelter built in the 1950's I'm going to have internet and a digital convertor box.
Dont forget the Faraday cage.
How many of you believe and/or support what Gholam Hossein Elham said?
How many of you believe and/or support what Gholam Hossein Elham said?
That mouthpiece has said a lot of controversial things.
Care to be more specific?
This.
US President Barack Obama's offer to talk to Iran (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=iran&sid=breitbart.com) shows that America's policy of "domination" has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"Negotiation is secondary, the main issue is that there is no way but for (the United States) to change," he added.
I think the term 'mouthpiece' is important to remember. Remember, this is the same guy who says the Holocost didnt happen.
With regards to western imperialism/capitalism/dominance, I feel it mostly rhetoric. Its not going to make us leave Iraq any quicker. And its not going to get the UN off their backs with their nuclear issues. And its not going to compel any mass 'apology' from the US.
Faent
02-02-2009, 01:36 PM
Looks like Hillary hit it on the head when she called Obama "Naive" and "inexperienced".
Because like most republican thugs with shaved heads, you'd rather just punch first and try to converse later.
Jorddyn
02-02-2009, 01:43 PM
"This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed," Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
Uh, no. It means that we want to keep a close eye on your crazy leader, and are better served by talking to him than about him.
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Mahmoud+Ahmadinejad&sid=breitbart.com) launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
Odd - a politician blaming all of his country's ills on a group of a people half a world away.
NocturnalRob
02-02-2009, 01:45 PM
Odd - a politician blaming all of his country's ills on a group of a people half a world away.
cute. but that's not what he was doing.
Jorddyn
02-02-2009, 01:48 PM
cute. but that's not what he was doing.
In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=Mahmoud+Ahmadinejad&sid=breitbart.com) launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its "crimes" against Iran and saying he expected "deep and fundamental" change from Obama.
While he didn't, in this statement, say "All of our problems are caused by the US", it is very much a part of his typical "DEATH TO AMERICA"* speech that keeps his people busy thinking of how evil we are rather than what issues their own government has brought on.
*Yes, I'm all about the hyperbole.
Parkbandit
02-02-2009, 01:51 PM
Because like most republican thugs with shaved heads, you'd rather just punch first and try to converse later.
Damn.. it only took you 9 posts to pull the OMG U R RACIST card out. Pretty slow for someone like you.
Here's an idea.. give one real example of your indepth theory.
Faent
02-02-2009, 01:55 PM
Said "slowness" is explained by my recent lack of desire to draw you out of your sad little hole. And aren't you too busy trying to find your 2 grade clip-guard to listen to reason?
Jorddyn
02-02-2009, 01:56 PM
Damn.. it only took you 9 posts to pull the OMG U R RACIST card out.
Uh...
Because like most republican thugs with shaved heads, you'd rather just punch first and try to converse later.
I can spy "U R STUPID", "U R DUMB REPUBLICAN", "U R THUG", "U R VIOLENT", and "U R BALD", but I'm missing the "U R RACIST". Help me out.
Parkbandit
02-02-2009, 01:58 PM
Uh...
I can spy "U R STUPID", "U R DUMB REPUBLICAN", "U R THUG", "U R VIOLENT", and "U R BALD", but I'm missing the "U R RACIST". Help me out.
Shaved heads aka skin heads aka white supremacists.
Parkbandit
02-02-2009, 01:59 PM
Said "slowness" is explained by my recent lack of desire to draw you out of your sad little hole. And aren't you too busy trying to find your 2 grade clip-guard to listen to reason?
So in other words.. you have no reason for posting what you did other than to try and call me a racist?
Awesome contribution as always Faent.
Faent
02-02-2009, 02:06 PM
Jorddyn picked up on 98% of the content I was aiming for. There's a chance you're a member of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice
Parkbandit
02-02-2009, 02:10 PM
Jorddyn picked up on 98% of the content I was aiming for. There's a chance you're a member of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice
Again.. just cite one example of your theory. In the meantime, I will just call you a homosexual child molester .. since it is based upon as much reality as your insult was.
This is rhetoric, but surprisingly there are Americans who either agree with with Ahmadinejad or have used his statements as "proof" that Obama is naive and doesn't know what he's doing, when in reality he hasn't "done" anything yet.
No matter what our stance regarding the middle east there will be those who proclaim that what we're doing is wrong there and at home. Ignoring Iran as we've done for the last few decades does not equate to containing them or their proliferation of nuclear technology or the tough stance we've taken that's akin to diplomatic silence.
We should have leveled Iran (not literally) after we bombed the hell out of Iraq. Prior administration had their chance for diplomacy and/or military action, now Obama's gets theirs.
My guess is that Isreal will take the reigns and administer the first round of air strikes against Iran within a year, but I honestly hope it doesn't come to war.
Jorddyn
02-02-2009, 02:12 PM
but I honestly hope it doesn't come to war.
And this is why liberals are portrayed as weak. Seriously, who doesn't like a good war?
NocturnalRob
02-02-2009, 02:13 PM
My guess is that Israel will take the reigns and administer the first round of air strikes against Iran within a year.
this would be one of the worst things that could happen. i truly hope it doesn't come to this either.
NocturnalRob
02-02-2009, 02:13 PM
Seriously, who doesn't like a good war?
Edwin Starr
Jorddyn
02-02-2009, 02:15 PM
Edwin Starr
:rofl:
Damn the need to spread rep. :love: anyway.
Ignot
02-02-2009, 02:38 PM
Iran's gonna nuke us and it will be Obama's fault.
Good thing I played through Fallout 3.
Khariz
02-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Good thing I played through Fallout 3.
Fuck yeah. I'm gonna start my own Tenpenny Tower and kick some Ghoul ass.
Wait . . .
Stanley Burrell
02-02-2009, 03:29 PM
Next thing you know, that Pinko president commie of ours will be inviting Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia and have brunch at 5 star NYC hotels. America is doomed.
Daniel
02-02-2009, 07:54 PM
this would be one of the worst things that could happen. i truly hope it doesn't come to this either.
No shit.
Stanley Burrell
02-02-2009, 08:04 PM
Good thing I played through Fallout 3.
0 e-bay results for t-51b power armor :(
Khariz
02-02-2009, 08:16 PM
0 e-bay results for t-51b power armor :(
You have to kill Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden, and take their keys.
You then go to this vault hidden in DC and unlock this special room, and the armor is in there.
Stanley Burrell
02-02-2009, 08:30 PM
My guess is that Isreal will take the reigns and administer the first round of air strikes against Iran within a year, but I honestly hope it doesn't come to war.
Israel doesn't have bunker busters to take out a uranium enrichment bunker deep in the ground the same way that we can't use conventional weaponry to flatten all of Tora Bora.
This isn't, at all, like the time Israel took out the French reactors. Israel can (and will still) need to make a mushroom cloud effect. Probably using a shit-ton of conventional warheads. Every notion of preemptive war bullshit the last administration shoved down our throats is actually applicable to Israel. Obama being president still won't change the fact that 97% of people waste their time blaming the Jews vs. 99%. What's good, is that Israel never fucks around and global anti-Semitism/Israeli sentiment never bears anything on their protecting their flock.
The last thing we need is creating Pakistan out of Iran because it has nuclear capabilities and waiting for the next Bin Laden doppelganger to seek refuge there.
Yet... I think that this administration must be as friendly, welcome and open to peace with a non-nuclear Iran because if we outstretch our arm in the best globally perceived fashion and prefer hate-filled military/fanatic leaders that aren't spinning uranium ultrafuges, then we are perceived as being that much more valid in making the obvious accusation that Ahmadinejad is the nutjob that he is. And hopefully regain global prowess in controlling his nuclear ambitions.
Someone like Chavez could talk as much shit about Jews, Americans, Israel or whatever it is a misfit blames for his or her own becomings. The second he would start the process of uranium enrichment/WMD development is when I would support some form of action against him.
I don't trust the UN for two seconds to consciously and effectively do something to reduce the nuclear ambitions of Iran either.
Stanley Burrell
02-02-2009, 08:31 PM
You have to kill Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden, and take their keys.
You then go to this vault hidden in DC and unlock this special room, and the armor is in there.
Woah dude, what's the rush?
Khariz
02-02-2009, 08:41 PM
Woah dude, what's the rush?
I thought you were the one in the rush! I'm not the one looking for the power armor on e-bay. Just trying to be helpful!
Stanley Burrell
02-02-2009, 08:43 PM
I thought you were the one in the rush! I'm not the one looking for the power armor on e-bay. Just trying to be helpful!
Bah. I was trying to quote Ted Strayer from Rivet City.
I'd want the Master Chief's armor for the post-Apocalypse anyway. The Spartan could spin nuclear circles around the vault dweller and then teabag him/her with plutonium nards. No offense.
Kembal
02-03-2009, 01:25 PM
While Iranian media is state controlled to a large degree, does anyone know whether they get the Arabic satellite channels and how controlled are their broadcasts in Iran?
If they do get them in a fairly uncontrolled manner, the continued repudiation of diplomatic engagement by Ahmadinejad will look fairly bad to the Iranian public, and he might get tossed out on his ear during the upcoming elections. If someone like Khatami runs and gets the presidency, we might get somewhere. And thus the present course would be sound for the time being.
Ignot
02-03-2009, 02:24 PM
Bah. I was trying to quote Ted Strayer from Rivet City.
I'd want the Master Chief's armor for the post-Apocalypse anyway. The Spartan could spin nuclear circles around the vault dweller and then teabag him/her with plutonium nards. No offense.
You'll take this and like it:
2586
Stanley Burrell
02-03-2009, 03:30 PM
You'll take this and like it:
2586
OH YEAH. GIVE IT TO ME RAW.
(It's showing up as a broken link. But I appreciate the post-Apocalyptic :heart:. In a Platonic sense, kthnx.)
Edited to Add: Just make sure you get the robots humping each other and the PDA back from Romulux -- A.K.A. I got the image link to work. For some reason the ATTACH tags require independent log-ons for me when I <a href> them. Because they hate Jews.
Methais
02-03-2009, 03:39 PM
Woah dude, what's the rush?
http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/rush-limbaugh.jpg
While Iranian media is state controlled to a large degree, does anyone know whether they get the Arabic satellite channels and how controlled are their broadcasts in Iran?
If they do get them in a fairly uncontrolled manner, the continued repudiation of diplomatic engagement by Ahmadinejad will look fairly bad to the Iranian public, and he might get tossed out on his ear during the upcoming elections. If someone like Khatami runs and gets the presidency, we might get somewhere. And thus the present course would be sound for the time being.http://www.mianeh.net/en/articles/?aid=0100
Khariz
02-03-2009, 05:52 PM
http://www.synthstuff.com/mt/archives/rush-limbaugh.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/XzN-Staff/Fallout_3_Pics_30.jpg
Methais
02-03-2009, 10:33 PM
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/XzN-Staff/Fallout_3_Pics_30.jpg
http://pwnedvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/pwned.jpg
http://www.mianeh.net/en/articles/?aid=0100
If you air it, they will watch.
Great article. :)
Rocktar
02-04-2009, 10:14 AM
Actually, because I know some people that used to work very closely with our Jewish allies, I have this to say. If it needs blown up, they can do it. They have the weapons, they have their own nukes and they can pretty much deliver them anywhere in the world they want short of the US and maybe Great Britian and no one but us can stop them and that is only if we see it fast enough.
And just to be absolutly clear here, if anyone and I mean anyone short of Russia or China decides to nuke Israel, then in very short order they, and all the middle east shithole problem nations within about 2000 miles of Israel will be glassed in about 8 hours or less. No exceptions.
As far as the policy goes, well, I have this to say, talking to those bastards is wrong and we should have gone after them back in 81 or 82 after the release of the hostages. Also, for such a lovely, peaceful, warm fuzzy bunny nation, why do our ships in the Persian Gulf constantly have to endure Silkworm missile attacks without eliminating the threat? Because we try to play nice nice with people that don't really matter. That is why. With us building a democracy in Iraq, the damage is done in the middle east and you will see the effects, assuming we don't leave them out to dry like Rodhesia or South Vietnam. If Iraq survives as a democracy, the you will see the rest of the shithole slowly tear it's self apart as the people next door ask "hey, why can't I vote instead of Sheik Flung the Dung telling me that to do?" or "hey, they can vote, they don't have to listen to Bonhead the Cleric in the mosque who has taken a few too many blows to the head, why can't I?" Freedom and Democracy is infectious and when supported, even when not all that nice to us (somewhat like France) is a lot better than the alternatives.
Kembal
02-04-2009, 11:58 AM
http://www.mianeh.net/en/articles/?aid=0100
Great article. Thanks. And interesting to note that VOA does play a important role....I've never really gotten a handle on how effective it was.
Stanley Burrell
02-04-2009, 12:20 PM
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http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AQUA/24-274~Rush-Posters.jpg
Stanley Burrell
02-04-2009, 12:21 PM
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http://fancylikeketchup.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/rush.jpg
Clove
02-04-2009, 09:44 PM
Edwin StarrGood God y'all- you're so getting rep'd for that (I just have to wait for the rep nanny to give me the nod).
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