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Clove
01-29-2009, 10:22 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/29/news/economy/ford_results/?postversion=2009012908

Ford reports $5.9 billion loss
U.S. automaker says that, despite increasing losses , it doesn't expect to have to ask the government for an emergency loan.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Ford Motor reported that its ongoing losses soared in the fourth quarter, but the company reiterated it still does not need the federal bailout already received by its two U.S. rivals.

Ford reported a net loss of $5.9 billion, or $2.46 a share, up from a loss of $2.8 billion in the same quarter a year ago.

For the full year, Ford lost $14.6 billion, and the company has now lost nearly $30 billion over the past three years.

Excluding special items, losses were $3.3 billion, or $1.37 a share. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters were forecasting a loss of $1.30 a share on this basis.

Ford's automotive operations reported a loss in every region but South America during the fourth quarter. Worldwide vehicle sales plunged 31% from a year ago, to 1.1 million. Total sales dropped 36%, to $29.2 billion, but they did top Wall Street's consensus estimate of $27 billion.

Separately, the company's Ford Credit arm confirmed that it was eliminating 1,200 jobs, or about 20% of its staff, due to lower sales. In addition to suffering from weak demand for vehicles, Ford also sold its Jaguar, Land Rover and Mazda brands last year.

Ford (F, Fortune 500) burned through $5.5 billion in cash during the quarter. That left the company with gross cash of $13.4 billion as of the end of 2008.

The company said it will burn through cash again this year, but Ford added that it does not anticipate needing to receive federal help "barring a significantly deeper economic downturn or a significant industry event, such as the bankruptcy of a major competitor that causes disruption to the company's supply base, dealers or creditors."

Instead, Ford said it will draw on its available credit lines to receive an additional $10.1 billion in cash on Feb. 3.

"Ford went to the credit markets two years ago when they were functioning normally and obtained the funding necessary -- including our credit lines -- to support our product transformation and restructuring," said Ford CEO Alan Mulally in a statement.

"Given the instability of the capital markets with the uncertain state of the global economy, we believe it is prudent to draw these credit facilities at this time," Mulally added.

Healthier than its Big 3 rivals
Ford's access to credit and cash on hand puts it in far better financial position than General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) and Chrysler LLC, who both needed loans from the federal government to avoid falling below the minimum cash level they needed to continue operations.

Ford had asked for a $9 billion line of credit from Congress at the same time GM and Chrysler were appealing for help last month. Congress did not approve such financial assistance, forcing the Treasury Department to step in and give the loans to GM and Chrysler late last year.

But the company did announce a slightly more conservative sales target for 2009, however. When it presented its turnaround plan to Congress in December, Ford said it expected 2009 U.S. industrywide sales of about 12.5 million vehicles, including medium and heavy duty trucks. On Thursday, the company said it now anticipates sales of between 11.5 million to 12.5 million vehicles this year.

Ford also said it is continuing to take steps to reduce costs.

The company announced it had reached an agreement with the United Auto Workers union to eliminate the jobs bank, which guarantees nearly full pay for UAW members who lose their jobs.

Ford said management and the union are working on details of implementing that agreement. GM announced a similar deal Wednesday, and there were reports Monday that Chrysler had also reached such a deal with the UAW
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Discuss.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
01-29-2009, 10:38 AM
Mad props to Ford CEO Alan Mulally for doing his job.

NocturnalRob
01-29-2009, 10:44 AM
Mad props to Ford CEO Alan Mulally for doing his job.

For the full year, Ford lost $14.6 billion, and the company has now lost nearly $30 billion over the past three years.
yeah, good call, SHM

CrystalTears
01-29-2009, 10:46 AM
yeah, good call, SHM
I think he means more along the lines of managing the finances and lines of credit to be able to stay afloat without the need for a government handout (if he wasn't being sarcastic, that is).

Clove
01-29-2009, 10:47 AM
yeah, good call, SHMHe's taking responsibility for the success/failure of the corporation (his job). It sounds like he's making the same negotiations with the UAW that GM is... but without taking a loan from us. Ford also reports that they met their cost goals for the year: translation they slashed the expenses as much as they could.

NocturnalRob
01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
i wish i could head up a major corporation that manages to lose $30 billion over 3 years and still be lauded for "doing my job."

Suppa Hobbit Mage
01-29-2009, 11:28 AM
He's taking responsibility for the success/failure of the corporation (his job). It sounds like he's making the same negotiations with the UAW that GM is... but without taking a loan from us. Ford also reports that they met their cost goals for the year: translation they slashed the expenses as much as they could.


i wish i could head up a major corporation that manages to lose $30 billion over 3 years and still be lauded for "doing my job."

I'm sure you'd have done a better job.

That aside, yeah, I give him credit for not taking a loan, for turning the companies financial model on it's ear over two years ago before the "crisis" came to a head. I'm not sure if you aware, but changing an established industry practice (make cars irrespective of demand) in a multi-billion dollar industry is pretty ballsy. May not be enough, but at least he didn't have his head so far up his ass he didn't see it coming, like the other two of the big three.

I'll rephrase to placate your outrage - "He's the best piece of shit in a pile of manure, mad props to the man for smelling the least."

NocturnalRob
01-29-2009, 11:32 AM
I'm sure you'd have done a better job.
really? good one. obviously that's not the point. don't deflect.

at least he didn't have his head so far up his ass he didn't see it coming, like the other two of the big three.
i'm sure they did. they just didn't care. they get paid either way.

I'll rephrase to placate your outrage - "He's the best piece of shit in a pile of manure, mad props to the man for smelling the least."
thank you. and that actually made me laugh

Clove
01-29-2009, 11:43 AM
i wish i could head up a major corporation that manages to lose $30 billion over 3 years and still be lauded for "doing my job."He's not doing a good job, but he's doing his job.

In relative terms, I'd rather give the CEO of Ford an "attaboy" for taking huge losses and not asking me for a loan to cover them than scold GM's CEO for doing a terrible job- but oh here's some money anyway you'll do better in the future I'm sure. Compared to GM's CEO, he's an epic fucking success.

NocturnalRob
01-29-2009, 11:47 AM
Fine. You judge on a comparative scale. I judge on an absolute scale. I see your point. I disagree.

Nibb High Football RULES!!

Martaigne
01-29-2009, 11:52 AM
He's not doing a good job, but he's doing his job.

In relative terms, I'd rather give the CEO of Ford an "attaboy" for taking huge losses and not asking me for a loan to cover them than scold GM's CEO for doing a terrible job- but oh here's some money anyway you'll do better in the future I'm sure. Compared to GM's CEO, he's an epic fucking success.

This.

Clove
01-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Fine. You judge on a comparative scale. I judge on an absolute scale. I see your point. I disagree.

Nibb High Football RULES!!Okay but businesses DO run in the red sometimes. Ford's stockholders should decide if (given the circumstances and climate) their CEO should be doing better as long as they aren't taking my tax dollars.

Tolwynn
01-29-2009, 12:46 PM
The amazing losses are largely due to the nature of the beast with the automotive industry, and in no small part from dealing with union workers.

Examining those 11.3 billion in special items charges paints a much different picture of things.

What other industry would have to spend $4.367 B for one year's worth of staff reduction, say?

Ford's making some tough cuts, and is paradoxically having to pay for a number of them, but I think it's telling that they don't need to ask for a fat handout like the other 2 of the big 3. The coming years should show benefits from these recent decisions that will leave Ford much stronger than its two competitors, barring them receiving massive cash infusions from the government.

Kembal
01-29-2009, 12:59 PM
Ford's been doing a fairly good job of managing cash. They just need to unload Volvo and focus on the core brands. (and developing good product for those brands, of course)

Khariz
01-29-2009, 01:39 PM
The fact that Ford isn't taking handouts makes me much more likely to want to buy a Ford rather than a Chevy/Chrysler on my next purchase. I'm absolutely disgusted with the entire concept of "too big to fail", etc. They should have filed bankruptcy, and used the protection it affords them from their creditors, and the ability to modify contracts to get out from underneath some of the garbage union bullshit that they are under, and get back to making cars for a decent price.

I respect Ford for not going to the government with their hands out. I assume there are many other people out there like me. The other two are now at the bottom of my list of cars I'd be willing to buy. Since I'm already subsidizing their existence, I guess they don't need any more of my money as a consumer.
:club:

Warriorbird
01-29-2009, 02:27 PM
Uhh...I wouldn't blame it all on the unions. GM managed to lose 40 billion in one year alone from what I remember.

Only thing I wish they'd done is bring the Focus RS here.

Parkbandit
01-29-2009, 02:34 PM
Uhh...I wouldn't blame it all on the unions. GM managed to lose 40 billion in one year alone from what I remember.

Only thing I wish they'd done is bring the Focus RS here.

Who exactly blamed it all on the unions.. or did you just want to make sure no one in the future would?

Tolwynn
01-29-2009, 02:35 PM
It's not all unions, of course. They also ate hefty losses from shedding Land Rover and Jaguar (to Tata, no less!), which were overpaid for back during the giant acquisition rush the big 3 made a while back.

Agreed on the RS, and other variants as well. A Focus with a turbocharged 6 would be a lot of fun to drive.

Warriorbird
01-29-2009, 02:40 PM
Oh yeah.

ClydeR
01-29-2009, 05:17 PM
Imagine how well they'd be doing if they had not been boycotted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=29664).

Apotheosis
02-01-2009, 06:49 PM
on a side note, few people realize that the owners of the majority of controlling shares of Ford are still part of the "Ford" family "aristocracy"(if that's what you want to call it)...

with the bailouts leaning towards government ownership (at least in the case of banks), he's keeping Ford free of government imposed restrictions / ownership.

I'm sure GM and other companies could have gotten by without requiring the bailouts...

Tolwynn
02-01-2009, 06:56 PM
I think more people are aware of that family interest than you suspect - but honestly, if vested personal interests made them get their company in order instead of bellying up for a massive government handout, I fail to see how this is exactly a bad thing.

Back
02-01-2009, 07:03 PM
This great pic explains my feelings on the big three (two) bailouts...

http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/youwouldntbuyour.jpg


I wouldn’t call the guy great. Just the least of three failures.

Clove
02-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Except Ford isn't taking your money.

Tolwynn
02-01-2009, 07:08 PM
Something else to put things into perspective?

Even Toyota, the current golden boy of the auto industry, ate its first ever recorded operating loss ($1.7 billion), breaking their 71 year streak.

Gan
02-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Mad props to Ford CEO Alan Mulally for doing his job.


He's not doing a good job, but he's doing his job.

In relative terms, I'd rather give the CEO of Ford an "attaboy" for taking huge losses and not asking me for a loan to cover them than scold GM's CEO for doing a terrible job- but oh here's some money anyway you'll do better in the future I'm sure. Compared to GM's CEO, he's an epic fucking success.
Yea that.


Imagine how well they'd be doing if they had not been boycotted (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=29664).
:facepalm: