Clinton Ineligible

[ClydeR]

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

So says the Constitution, Article I, Section 6.

The pay of the Secretary of State has been increased since Clinton was elected in 2006.

Oops.

[Kembal]

It's an interesting point. The pay was raised not by Congress, but by executive order. The intent of the Enoulments clause was to prevent Congress from creating or raising the pay of jobs and then getting themselves appointed to it.

Funny part though: technically, that clause only refers to males.

[Lyonis]

Funny part though: technically, that clause only refers to males.

Winner

[TheEschaton]

That should be her exact response: "If you want to be so retarded...that only applies to men."

[Sean of the Thread]

Hillary isn't a man?

[Keller]

That should be her exact response: "If you want to be so retarded...that only applies to men."

So retarded as to follow the Constitution?

[Kranar]

What makes you think it only applies to males?

If it's because of this "Time for which he was elected" then that doesn't make it only applicable to males since the word he, when used as a pronoun, is gender neutral, ie. applies to both men and women.

The word he only refers exclusively to males if it is used as a noun.

[TheEschaton]

A pronoun, by definition, is a noun by proxy.

[Sean of the Thread]

INDIAN FIGHT! GO GO GO GO GO GO


*(pull out those cool swords and shit from Indiana Jones)

[DeV]

I see a Hillary amendment in the works if this is challenged. If all else fails, the clever manipulation that is the Saxbe fix would be a way around it. She could resign her Senate seat prior to accepting the nomination and Obama could lower the current pay back to what it was prior to the increase.

[Warriorbird]

The 'conservative' 'strict constructionist' argument lets her in.

[Sean of the Thread]

Are there really still Hillary supporters?

I'm just curious.

[Warriorbird]

Yes. They're Republicans.

[Keller]

I see a Hillary amendment in the works if this is challenged.

I agree.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yes. They're Republicans.


Why because she looks like Charleston Heston?

rofl I'm full of them today.

[Kranar]

A pronoun, by definition, is a noun by proxy.


This is false, a pronoun is not a noun.

[Warriorbird]

She looks like she'd gun you down. She's a white man and she dodges sniper bullets. Republicans should love her.

[Jorddyn]

1. We have too many lawyers on this board (even though they're some of my favorite posters).
2. Does anyone truly think that it will have any impact on the end result?

[Warriorbird]

1. There's always too many lawyers.
2. No (but it would be great).

[TheEschaton]

While pronouns are their own distinct grammatical category, a pronoun is "the part of speech that substitutes for nouns or noun phrases and designates persons or things asked for, previously specified, or understood from the context."

Like I said, a noun by proxy. Specifically, one that refers to something already referenced or understood.

-TheE-

[TheEschaton]

And I am a Hillary Clinton supporter, and probably will continue to be. :)

[CrystalTears]

Does anyone truly think that it will have any impact on the end result?


^^Nope.

[BriarFox]

As to the pronoun argument: At the time of the writing of the Constitution, "he" was used to as a non-gender specific pronoun. It applies to both men and women. Moreover, this whole point is imbecilic.

As to the emolument clause: The spirit of the stipulation is to keep incumbents from enriching themselves through government offices. That's patently not what Clinton's assumption of the Secretariat is about.