Fox News reports Palin didn't know Africa was a continent [Archive]

BriarFox

11-06-2008, 07:09 PM

Come on. Seriously?

An adult does NOT know that Africa is a country?

I'm finding this hard to believe...

Whether that's true or not, these things are:

She was blessed against witchcraft in the campaign. She went on an unauthorized spending and glam spree, for herself and her family. She takes every iota of attention she can and asks for more. She wanted to give her own concession speech after the election results. She took a prank call from a Canadian radio station, convinced it was Nicholas Sarkozy until they told her otherwise. She brings her friends and family in on her coattails, ability be damned. She has foreign policy experience because she can see Alaska from her house. It goes on.

Those are just some of the reasons why she scares the hell out of me

Hulkein

11-06-2008, 07:21 PM

She has foreign policy experience because she can see Alaska from her house.

Russia. She is in Alaska.

Makkah

11-06-2008, 07:22 PM

Come on. Seriously?

An adult does NOT know that Africa is a country?

I'm finding this hard to believe...

Irony at its finest. Africa isn't a country.

BriarFox

11-06-2008, 07:38 PM

Russia. She is in Alaska.

Yes, that.

crb

11-06-2008, 08:16 PM

Whether that's true or not, these things are:

She was blessed against witchcraft in the campaign. She went on an unauthorized spending and glam spree, for herself and her family. She takes every iota of attention she can and asks for more. She wanted to give her own concession speech after the election results. She took a prank call from a Canadian radio station, convinced it was Nicholas Sarkozy until they told her otherwise. She brings her friends and family in on her coattails, ability be damned. She has foreign policy experience because she can see Alaska from her house. It goes on.

Those are just some of the reasons why she scares the hell out of me
She lost, she is going back to Alaska, what is with the continuing attacks?

Fuck, John Murtha entertained illegal bribes from the Saudi's and got taped by the FBI (and has called his own people racist rednecks) and he got reelected.

But no, tell me more about how much her shoes cost..

(and no, I won't defend her interviewing skills (not that any MSM journalist EVER hit Barack that hard in an interview) but come on? She didn't know what Africa was? That doesn't pass the smell test).

Mabus

11-06-2008, 08:17 PM

Yes, that.
So should the media now call you stupid, because "you believed Palin was from Russia"?

I am not stating Palin is the brightest bulb in the lamp, but she is not as unintellectual as some have made her out to be. We could go back to Obama's visiting "56 states and 1 to go", or many of Biden's clips, and see that anyone can be caught in an off moment.

There are some disgruntled people in McCain's campaign that will attempt to save their own ass any way they can. There are others that, I am sure, have at least the first draft of their book (tentatively titled) "How McCain Failed" at an editor. In each of these cases they will say whatever they find advantageous.

If it comes out that Nicolle Wallace is the one leaking some of this, do not be surprised. I posted previously about how she may be the one that bought the $150k in clothes, and then kept her mouth shut while letting McCain and Palin take the fall.

Mathari

11-06-2008, 08:24 PM

Come on. Seriously?

An adult does NOT know that Africa is a country?

I'm finding this hard to believe...
I can't tell if you're just joking here or what (Africa is not a country, so of course no adult knows that Africa is a country), but...

I knew an adult who did not know that the sun and the moon were two different objects. I'm not making this up. She thought the moon was the sun at night. Now, admittedly, this adult was not running for Vice President, but she was still non-mentally-disabled and even college educated. I'm willing to bet that she didn't know that Africa is not a country, either.

Euler

11-06-2008, 08:27 PM

I dated a girl who couldn't name a single president. She wasn't even that hot. :(

Stretch

11-06-2008, 08:27 PM

I know adults that believe in a flying spaghetti monster.

g++

11-06-2008, 08:29 PM

I dated a girl who couldn't name a single president. She wasn't even that hot. :(

Your avatar makes that extra funny.

Miss Ismurii

11-06-2008, 08:32 PM

I'm sorry if any of you believe this rubish.
It's bloody laughable.

Danical

11-06-2008, 08:53 PM

I know adults that believe in a flying spaghetti monster.

lulz x 10000000000.

thefarmer

11-06-2008, 09:14 PM

Come on. Seriously?

An adult does NOT know that Africa is a country?

I'm finding this hard to believe...

Watching the video it looks like Palin was confused about South Africa being a country, and asked if it was just part of the country Africa..

BriarFox

11-06-2008, 09:22 PM

She lost, she is going back to Alaska, what is with the continuing attacks?

They're not attacks so much as statements of fact. Also, they're warranted because Palin has given every indication of wanting to seek out the presidency later. That's terror for you.

BriarFox

11-06-2008, 09:24 PM

So should the media now call you stupid, because "you believed Palin was from Russia"?

A typo is rather different than actually believing something - and don't try to tell me that Palin's antics are typos. Apple. Orange.

Stanley Burrell

11-06-2008, 09:26 PM

Fuck it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Pangaea_continents.png

Stanley Burrell

11-06-2008, 09:28 PM

And yes, the liberal media sent its Muslim spies into the Fox News HQ to spin Palin's obvious intellectual reference to Pangaea.

Gan

11-06-2008, 09:38 PM

Irony at its finest. Africa isn't a country.

See how easy it is?

;)

diethx

11-06-2008, 09:40 PM

See how easy it is?

;)

Hers weren't typos.

Gan

11-06-2008, 09:41 PM

I can't tell if you're just joking here or what (Africa is not a country, so of course no adult knows that Africa is a country), but...

I knew an adult who did not know that the sun and the moon were two different objects. I'm not making this up. She thought the moon was the sun at night. Now, admittedly, this adult was not running for Vice President, but she was still non-mentally-disabled and even college educated. I'm willing to bet that she didn't know that Africa is not a country, either.
Thank you for not falling into the sarchasm.

I can understand adults with limited education (and I'm stressing limited) not knowing that Africa is one of the major continents.

I can not understand an adult with a degree (any degree) not knowing that Africa is one of the major continents.

I seriously can not believe that anyone who has held any leadership position outside of the local PTA not knowing that Africa is one of the major continents.

droit

11-06-2008, 10:01 PM

I don't believe for a minute that Palin didn't know Africa was a continent. I could see her believing that AIDS is God's way of punishing Africa for being populated by heathens, however.

Alfster

11-06-2008, 10:06 PM

The NAFTA thing I can KIND OF understand...maybe.

Except the name basically says who's involved.

Skeeter

11-06-2008, 10:06 PM

maybe she mis-remembered

AnticorRifling

11-06-2008, 10:08 PM

I bet if she was taking sniper fire in Africa she'd remember.

Mabus

11-06-2008, 11:52 PM

A typo is rather different than actually believing something - and don't try to tell me that Palin's antics are typos. Apple. Orange.
So Obama actually believed there were 57 states? Since he said it, it wasn't a "typo". I can link the video for you if you want to watch his "antics" as well. Damn, he must be stupid!

Or was he possibly tired from a long campaign day, and misspoke? Is it possible that others can make mistakes without being "stupid"? Or are "antics" not mistakes when they are done by Obama, but are when done by anyone else?

When Obama bumbled words, and stumbled and stammered for several seconds, unable to find the thought to speak, was he an idiot? Or is it always correct to overlook him, while pointing fingers at the "other side"?

Chicago took the battle.

Let it go.

Jayvn

11-07-2008, 12:10 AM

I know adults that believe in a flying spaghetti monster.

You mean you don't? there's a whole church devoted to it..it must be real..

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:27 AM

Irony at its finest. Africa isn't a country.

Yea....I saw that too...

I haven't gone through the thread but I'm assuming he just had a slip.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:28 AM

She lost, she is going back to Alaska, what is with the continuing attacks?

Fuck, John Murtha entertained illegal bribes from the Saudi's and got taped by the FBI (and has called his own people racist rednecks) and he got reelected.

But no, tell me more about how much her shoes cost..

(and no, I won't defend her interviewing skills (not that any MSM journalist EVER hit Barack that hard in an interview) but come on? She didn't know what Africa was? That doesn't pass the smell test).

No one ever asked Obama hard hitting questions like what newspaper he read?

Seriously. You should STFU about now.

BriarFox

11-07-2008, 12:43 AM

So Obama actually believed there were 57 states? Since he said it, it wasn't a "typo". I can link the video for you if you want to watch his "antics" as well. Damn, he must be stupid!

Or was he possibly tired from a long campaign day, and misspoke? Is it possible that others can make mistakes without being "stupid"? Or are "antics" not mistakes when they are done by Obama, but are when done by anyone else?

When Obama bumbled words, and stumbled and stammered for several seconds, unable to find the thought to speak, was he an idiot? Or is it always correct to overlook him, while pointing fingers at the "other side"?

Chicago took the battle.

Let it go.

You're projecting your own angst onto me. This is no longer about the election - it's about Palin's potential to be in a future election. Also, while anyone can misspeak, you are sorely missing the point over the qualitative differences between Obama's and Palin's comments.

Gan

11-07-2008, 08:10 AM

You're projecting your own angst onto me. This is no longer about the election - it's about Palin's potential to be in a future election.

I guess the question of the day is why is anything Palin says now a big deal? I really do not see any future for her on the national level unless she's elected into Congress by her state. I mean seriously - Ted Stevens was reelected (Marion Berry example anyone?)...

What is the cause of the fear motivating the witch hunt? Right now the GOP is in shambles, needs to do some serious inventory on what really matters and which base represents the true party (fiscal conservatism or the moral majority), and shows no signs of regrouping this quick after the election.

The only thing I can see is that an 'anonomyous' McCain staffer(s) are looking for a scapegoat to cover up their own shortcomings.

Gan

11-07-2008, 08:12 AM

Also, they're warranted because Palin has given every indication of wanting to seek out the presidency later. That's terror for you.

If you watch the video in the OP, Palin herself has no indication that she's going to seek anything on the national level in 2012.

So I would have to ask you what sources you have used to form this opinion.

Parkbandit

11-07-2008, 08:27 AM

They're not attacks so much as statements of fact. Also, they're warranted because Palin has given every indication of wanting to seek out the presidency later. That's terror for you.

They are facts now.. why, because YOU believe them? Do you have something a little more substantial than end of campaign anonymous sources? Sounds to me like the sources were looking for really stupid and gullible people like you to spread these stories around as facts.

First of all.. if any of these are true, she should never, ever run for any political office in the future. You don't know what fucking countries are in NAFTA for fuck sake? You don't know that Africa is a fucking continent?

Personally, I believe this is an effort by someone to continue to smear Palin for their own political ambitions. Realize that many staffers on McCain's abortion of a team were from other candidates that lost the nomination... could it be that they simply want to take Palin out of the 2012 picture? Seems kind of convenient that this revelation was given to Fox News who's main audience is Republicans.

End of campaign rumors are typical in American politics.. they always happen... but these seem pretty determined to finish off what the liberals started on Palin.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 08:36 AM

I guess the question of the day is why is anything Palin says now a big deal?

Why isn't it? This woman was almost second in command of the free world and I think it says a lot about the people that would choose her if any of this is true.

You guys still make snide comments about Gore and Kerry, etc. I mean, your opinion on this isn't influenced by the fact that you were on these boards for a couple of months talking about how *great* a pick Palin was for McCain and now you realize how stupid you were?

BriarFox

11-07-2008, 10:34 AM

If you watch the video in the OP, Palin herself has no indication that she's going to seek anything on the national level in 2012.

So I would have to ask you what sources you have used to form this opinion.

Because whatever she might have said, her posturing throughout the campaign has been that of a presidential candidate, not a vice-presidential - her wanting to give her own concession speech, her focus on her image, her rather audacious snipes at Obama. Various newspapers and other outlets have commented on those things. Also, take a look at how she and McCain parted after he conceded in AZ - he drove himself to his ranch in his own SUV, ignoring the offered SS guys; she went home in a cavalcade with 18 family and friends, a police escort, flags flying, and a full SS complement.

BriarFox

11-07-2008, 10:35 AM

They are facts now.. why, because YOU believe them? Do you have something a little more substantial than end of campaign anonymous sources? Sounds to me like the sources were looking for really stupid and gullible people like you to spread these stories around as facts.

... do you ever read the news?

First of all.. if any of these are true, she should never, ever run for any political office in the future.

Glad we agree.

nub

11-07-2008, 10:38 AM

Its bad when Fox News is even acknowledging she's dumb.

Besides Hannity and O'Reilly, Fox News seems to be less bias then all the other networks, it seems just because they don't lean toward Obama that they are considered to be Biased? Anyway...

Whether that's true or not, these things are:

She was blessed against witchcraft in the campaign. She went on an unauthorized spending and glam spree, for herself and her family. She takes every iota of attention she can and asks for more. She wanted to give her own concession speech after the election results. She took a prank call from a Canadian radio station, convinced it was Nicholas Sarkozy until they told her otherwise. It goes on.

She was blessed against witchcraft... someone else did that to her, what's wrong with that?

The spending spree, from the yahoo news articles I read, everything is given back to charity when the campaign was over.

What's wrong with taken attention? Did Obama not do this?

What's wrong with giving a concession speech if there were people who wanted to hear it?

Prank call... how is that her falt?

Anywho, I personally think she was a horrible choice, but for some of the stuff people are railling her on, is not really a big deal... I mean "what newspaper do you read" seriously...

Gan

11-07-2008, 10:46 AM

Why isn't it? This woman was almost second in command of the free world and I think it says a lot about the people that would choose her if any of this is true.

You guys still make snide comments about Gore and Kerry, etc. I mean, your opinion on this isn't influenced by the fact that you were on these boards for a couple of months talking about how *great* a pick Palin was for McCain and now you realize how stupid you were?
She lost. Her party lost. Her ticket lost. Its non news now. Although I have to admit the obsession about Palin is eerily scary. It just makes me laugh that you're buying into the blame game thats going on right now with the GOP camp, instead of focusing on Obama's cabinet selections, and his activities in preparing for the transition.

Because whatever she might have said, her posturing throughout the campaign has been that of a presidential candidate, not a vice-presidential - her wanting to give her own concession speech, her focus on her image, her rather audacious snipes at Obama. Various newspapers and other outlets have commented on those things. Also, take a look at how she and McCain parted after he conceded in AZ - he drove himself to his ranch in his own SUV, ignoring the offered SS guys; she went home in a cavalcade with 18 family and friends, a police escort, flags flying, and a full SS complement.
ROFL - please. I'm surprised that you did not include any tea readings or crystal ball consultations.

Its time to put away the obsession and start focusing on what our current elected leader and our current Congress are doing about restoring America's stability and credibility now that the election season is over.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 10:53 AM

She lost. Her party lost. Her ticket lost. Its non news now. Although I have to admit the obsession about Palin is eerily scary. It just makes me laugh that you're buying into the blame game thats going on right now with the GOP camp, instead of focusing on Obama's cabinet selections, and his activities in preparing for the transition.

/politics?

Are you fucking serious?

The republican party tried to sell a grossly incompetent person as a person fit to be vice president, all in an attempt to pull the political wool over the eyes of the American people.

It's absolutely disgusting and the fact that you can't even acknowledge that as a relevant concern shows just how ridiculous you are.

P.s. Who says I'm not paying attention to cabinet selections? Unlike some people, I can do two things at once.

Gan

11-07-2008, 10:53 AM

You guys still make snide comments about Gore and Kerry, etc. I mean, your opinion on this isn't influenced by the fact that you were on these boards for a couple of months talking about how *great* a pick Palin was for McCain and now you realize how stupid you were?
Wanted to add:

McCain was not my first selection but was the one I had to settle with according to how I aligned my views with the two (initially) distinct platforms running for President. And while I may not have chosen Palin out of the blue as a candidate for any spot in the GOP ticket - I understand the strategy behind choosing her. Because when you boil it all down. Candidates are selected by the parties and presented to the public for election based on strategy and the likelihood of getting elected by the people, the primary season is a clear example of who is more marketable to the people for each party.

That being said, I still supported her selection by the candidate whom represented my views the most because she was part of the platform I was voting for. Did I like it, hell I did not even like the idea of voting for McCain since he was not my first pick. Did I agree with it. I did because of the larger picture in agreeing with with platform that (again) represented my views.

When you're not driving the car, its stupid to get snippy about what kind it is. You either ride along with the rest or you get off.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 10:55 AM

This is fucking ridiculous.

Gan

11-07-2008, 10:56 AM

/politics?

Are you fucking serious?

The republican party tried to sell a grossly incompetent person as a person fit to be vice president, all in an attempt to pull the political wool over the eyes of the American people.

It's absolutely disgusting and the fact that you can't even acknowledge that as a relevant concern shows just how ridiculous you are.

P.s. Who says I'm not paying attention to cabinet selections? Unlike some people, I can do two things at once.

Is that like campaigning on a platform of change and selecting someone who represents whats been grossly wrong with Congress for the past 30 years?

Both, and I reiterate BOTH candidates were chosen because they offset weaknesses seen in the presidential candidates. So in otherwords, its all about /politics.

nub

11-07-2008, 10:58 AM

Both, and I reiterate BOTH candidates were chosen because they offset weaknesses seen in the presidential candidates. So in otherwords, its all about /politics.

McCain had such horrible weaknesses that he had to get someone on the opposite spectrum as him. They did not match at all. Most conservatives before this election did not like McCain, how he became the Republic Presidential choice still baffles me.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:00 AM

This is fucking ridiculous.

Srsly.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:01 AM

Is that like campaigning on a platform of change and selecting someone who represents whats been grossly wrong with Congress for the past 30 years?

Both, and I reiterate BOTH candidates were chosen because they offset weaknesses seen in the presidential candidates. So in otherwords, its all about /politics.

B b b but the democrats!!11!!

Gan

11-07-2008, 11:01 AM

B b b but the democrats!!11!!

Stones and glass houses.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 11:02 AM

Besides Hannity and O'Reilly, Fox News seems to be less bias then all the other networks, it seems just because they don't lean toward Obama that they are considered to be Biased? Anyway...

She was blessed against witchcraft... someone else did that to her, what's wrong with that?

The spending spree, from the yahoo news articles I read, everything is given back to charity when the campaign was over.

What's wrong with taken attention? Did Obama not do this?

What's wrong with giving a concession speech if there were people who wanted to hear it?

Prank call... how is that her falt?

Anywho, I personally think she was a horrible choice, but for some of the stuff people are railling her on, is not really a big deal... I mean "what newspaper do you read" seriously...

LOL @ Fox News not being biased. Wow.

As for the Witchcraft thing-- how can anyone sit there and condemn Obama for having a Pastor for 20 years who has made inflammatory, God damn America, remarks when Palin herself is part of a congregation that believes in witches, believes they will see the Rapture in their lifetime, believes dinosaurs and humans co-existed, and has a pastor that drove an old woman out of a city in Africa because he believed she was a "witch"-- this old woman was harassed heavily, had her pets killed, and there was nearly a riot because at first she refused to leave. It was pure hypocrisy.

On the clothes shopping.. she was trying to identify as a Walmart mom, someone who could understand having to crunch numbers to get by and all that stuff. Going out and spending that much money on clothes was a poor move, period, when due to the economy most people were drawing in the purse strings tight and weren't even going out to dinner, let alone spending wads of money on clothing. I'm not saying I can't understand why she'd spend that much or how, or that that alone would make me think differently of her, but to the average voter that does have some impact.

As for the concession speech? Never has a Vice Presidential nominee ever given a concession speech. Ever. It's just not done-- the fact that she didn't know that, or DID know that but didn't care, is kind of crazy.

I agree-- some stuff, I don't really care about. But Palin has been shown to be a polarizing figure who is incompetent/blundering even at the best of times, and has chronically poor judgment. Frankly I think Palin embodies all that is wrong with the Republican party right now, and I can only hope that now that Obama is elected and Democrats have a majority across the board, Republicans take notice and start refining their own party. Fiscal conservatives need to wrestle control away from the religious-Right social conservatives.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:07 AM

Palin wasn't put in the media enough for anyone to have an accurate knowledge of her. So all we have are these fucking stupid anonymous sources, and a Couric interview. She wasn't the greatest choice for McCain, but she's not this horribly fucking stupid person either.

I just find it laughable that it's okay for Obama to make blunders and misspeak because we know better than to think he wouldn't know of such things, but people immediately believe a blunder such as this from Palin without second guessing it and/or asking for the conversation that prompted such a response.

Again I say, this is fucking ridiculous.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:08 AM

Parkbandit

11-07-2008, 11:10 AM

That's what happens when you can't even name a newspaper that you've read or a major supreme decision you don't agree with.

Or how many states the United States have...

Gan

11-07-2008, 11:12 AM

McCain had such horrible weaknesses that he had to get someone on the opposite spectrum as him. They did not match at all. Most conservatives before this election did not like McCain, how he became the Republic Presidential choice still baffles me.

/Agreed

McCain was not my first or second choice, but in the end he was the one whom I voted for because of what he represented.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:17 AM

That's what happens when you can't even name a newspaper that you've read or a major supreme decision you don't agree with.
Or say that the US has 57 states, or name the wrong concentration camp...

All the candidates had misspoken about a dozen different things over the last year or so. And for all of them, I said to myself "whoops" and moved on, because I personally did not believe that any of them actually believed what they slipped up in saying.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:20 AM

g++

11-07-2008, 11:21 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html

CNN is saying they have proved some of the things the staffers are saying are actually proven false.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:22 AM

So, Palin only had "misspeaks" that's what you're saying?
What I'm saying is why is an Obama blunder a misspeak, and Palin is obviously because she's stupid and believes it?

Parkbandit

11-07-2008, 11:26 AM

What I'm saying is why is an Obama blunder a misspeak, and Palin is obviously because she's stupid and believes it?

Racist.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:26 AM

What I'm saying is why is an Obama blunder a misspeak, and Palin is obviously because she's stupid and believes it?

The reports are that she didn't "Know" that Africa was a continent and the countries in Nafta. That's not her slipping up on Camera.

Even if you don't buy that. Her saying she has foreign policy experience because she can see Russia from her house wasn't a misspeak, it was horribly stupid.

Ditto for half a dozen other things she has said.

They're not even remotely close to being someone misspeaking.

Gan

11-07-2008, 11:27 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/06/campbell.brown.palin/index.html

CNN is saying they have proved some of the things the staffers are saying are actually proven false.

Well, we all know how high the credibility rating is from 'anonymous' sources...

ElanthianSiren

11-07-2008, 11:27 AM

Or say that the US has 57 states, or name the wrong concentration camp...

All the candidates had misspoken about a dozen different things over the last year or so. And for all of them, I said to myself "whoops" and moved on, because I personally did not believe that any of them actually believed what they slipped up in saying.

I held palin to a higher standard. She was female. She had to behave in a more respectable, more knowledgable way than the males on the ticket for me. If elected, she would be representing female action in one of the highest offices in the united states.

It's hard to say how the election would have turned out if McCain had picked a moderate. The sense seems to be that Obama might have won by a bigger margin. I'm not sure if I agree with that, to be honest. Experience + Experience > Inexperience+Experience in my opinion.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:30 AM

The reports are that she didn't "Know" that Africa was a continent and the countries in Nafta. That's not her slipping up on Camera.
Was the continent comment was made on camera or publicly? Have they stated the source of where this came from and what exactly was the conversation?

Daniel

11-07-2008, 11:33 AM

Was the continent comment was made on camera or publicly? Have they stated the source of where this came from and what exactly was the conversation?

The comment supposedly stemmed from the people who were coaching her on the debates and they were talking about how difficult it was.

This was in the OP btw...

Keller

11-07-2008, 11:35 AM

Remember when he picked Palin and I said I was officially voting for Obama because of it?

Remember when I laughed at Mabus/crb because they tried to say she was somehow "qualified" because of her "executive experience"? Remember the hail mary thread? I could go on -- but suffice to say . . .

Jesus, I LOVE being right.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 11:39 AM

I held palin to a higher standard. She was female. She had to behave in a more respectable, more knowledgable way than the males on the ticket for me. If elected, she would be representing female action in one of the highest offices in the united states.

It's hard to say how the election would have turned out if McCain had picked a moderate. The sense seems to be that Obama might have won by a bigger margin. I'm not sure if I agree with that, to be honest. Experience + Experience > Inexperience+Experience in my opinion.

I also held Palin to a high standard. I want a woman in office.. I want a woman in office REALLY bad. But I don't want just any woman. I want an extraordinary woman, a brilliant woman, a woman I can feel proud of and who can not only play ball with the men, but play it better than them. Call it sexist I guess.

Had McCain picked a moderate, he likely would have stolen my vote from Obama. I can say with utter certainty he would have stolen my family's vote from Obama, and my boyfriend's (boyfriend is a fiscal conservative but social liberal, and he votes based on social issues) vote. I don't believe for a second that McCain really wanted Palin as his VP, and maybe I'm wrong but I do believe if he'd picked someone he actually wanted, this election would have had the potential to turn out a lot better for him.

SolitareConfinement

11-07-2008, 11:39 AM

Palin herself is part of a congregation that believes in witches, .

so, you don't believe in witches? you don't believe there is a religion actually named Wicca? where as the followers are in fact deemed as witches?

I'm not saying Palin is a Wiccan etc. Just saying there ARE in fact Witches amongst us. Not broomstick green faced bubbling brew Witches but they are there :)

Note: also not meant for this post to be a snipe just kind of trying to make a point that who cares if she believes in witches? they do exist and taking her beliefs out of context is rather pointless.

Gan

11-07-2008, 11:40 AM

The comment supposedly stemmed from the people who were coaching her on the debates and they were talking about how difficult it was.

This was in the OP btw...

Anonymous sources.... just to clarify.

And someone has already iterated that CNN is disproving some of the comments already.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:42 AM

The comment supposedly stemmed from the people who were coaching her on the debates and they were talking about how difficult it was.

This was in the OP btw...
The actual conversation wasn't reported. Even in the article someone said that it was taken out of context and that she does know that it was a continent, that it was a misspeak much like Obama stating that there are 57 states.

Keller

11-07-2008, 11:44 AM

Don't feel like being an attention whore and starting an entirely new thread -- so here: http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=6958

Gan

11-07-2008, 11:46 AM

Don't feel like being an attention whore and starting an entirely new thread -- so here: http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.aspx?ID=6958

Yes, thats where I get my news from... The BorowitzReport.

:banghead:

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 11:49 AM

so, you don't believe in witches? you don't believe there is a religion actually named Wicca? where as the followers are in fact deemed as witches?

I'm not saying Palin is a Wiccan etc. Just saying there ARE in fact Witches amongst us. Not broomstick green faced bubbling brew Witches but they are there :)

Note: also not meant for this post to be a snipe just kind of trying to make a point that who cares if she believes in witches? they do exist and taking her beliefs out of context is rather pointless.

I believe in witches in the Wiccan term, yeah. But they're not agents in Satanism or Devil-worship (they don't even believe in the Devil!) and I certainly can't agree with or approve of a church that thinks it's okay to persecute them or anyone else who has non-Christian religious beliefs.

They slung the mud about Wright, and yet when it's her church and her pastor that is saying/doing nasty things, that doesn't matter? It's hypocrisy.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 11:51 AM

They slung the mud about Wright, and yet when it's her church and her pastor that is saying/doing nasty things, that doesn't matter? It's hypocrisy.
It shouldn't have been slung for either of them. What they believe and do in church should stay there.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 11:52 AM

It shouldn't have been slung for either of them. What they believe and do in church should stay there.

I agree with you on that. Unfortunately, a lot of people on both sides don't agree, which is a shame.

waywardgs

11-07-2008, 11:54 AM

so, you don't believe in witches? you don't believe there is a religion actually named Wicca? where as the followers are in fact deemed as witches?

I'm not saying Palin is a Wiccan etc. Just saying there ARE in fact Witches amongst us. Not broomstick green faced bubbling brew Witches but they are there :)

Note: also not meant for this post to be a snipe just kind of trying to make a point that who cares if she believes in witches? they do exist and taking her beliefs out of context is rather pointless.

I also here there are people who actually believe the world was created a few thousand years ago. I don't want those idiots anywhere near the white house or any other public office either.

In the early stages of the republican primary, there was a debate amongst potential republican candidates. One of the questions was "Do you believe in a creationist view of the world?" Three people raised their hands. Those people should have immediately been led off the stage.

Keller

11-07-2008, 11:56 AM

Yes, thats where I get my news from... The BorowitzReport.

:banghead:

Did you even click the link?

It's a satire which was forwarded to me.

L2LOL@STUPIDLADY

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 11:58 AM

I also here there are people who actually believe the world was created a few thousand years ago. I don't want those idiots anywhere near the white house or any other public office either.

In the early stages of the republican primary, there was a debate amongst potential republican candidates. One of the questions was "Do you believe in a creationist view of the world?" Three people raised their hands. Those people should have immediately been led off the stage.

I don't have a problem with officials holding that belief.

What I have a problem with is when it starts becoming a belief they feel the need the legislate -- i.e. if they believed that creationism should be taught in science class. That goes for any politician.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:00 PM

Did you even click the link?

It's a satire which was forwarded to me.

L2LOL@STUPIDLADY

Yes.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:01 PM

Yes.

So then why in the world would you infer I get my news from there?

waywardgs

11-07-2008, 12:02 PM

I don't have a problem with officials holding that belief.

What I have a problem with is when it starts becoming a belief they feel the need the legislate -- i.e. if they believed that creationism should be taught in science class. That goes for any politician.

Do you honestly think it's possible? I sure don't, not from what I've seen. Besides, if a public official believes in thousand year old fairy tales, what other kind of crap are they going to be buying when it starts to matter and affects the rest of us?

In any event, I don't think there's a politician out there who isn't cynically exploiting people's religious beliefs when they claim this kind of crap. It's a way to reach those voters, pure and simple.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:03 PM

The actual conversation wasn't reported. Even in the article someone said that it was taken out of context and that she does know that it was a continent, that it was a misspeak much like Obama stating that there are 57 states.

Yea...

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 12:05 PM

Site the source actually saying what they are claiming and I'll agree with the assumption that she's the dumbest woman ever.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 12:07 PM

Do you honestly think it's possible? I sure don't, not from what I've seen. Besides, if a public official believes in thousand year old fairy tales, what other kind of crap are they going to be buying when it starts to matter and affects the rest of us?

In any event, I don't think there's a politician out there who isn't cynically exploiting people's religious beliefs when they claim this kind of crap. It's a way to reach those voters, pure and simple.

I think it's possible for the same reason I think it's possible to be Pro-Life personally but politically Pro-Choice.

Just because you believe in creationism doesn't mean you don't understand the scientific method and that creationism cannot be tested under it, and is therefore not suitable for a science class.

I think everyone is allowed their own belief and faith, period, whether or not I agree with it. But I don't think someone holding a belief or whatever that is different from my own automatically makes them unfit to be in politics. I care more about their record and decision making as a political figure, as well as their views for the future.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 12:08 PM

I think everyone is allowed their own belief and faith, period, whether or not I agree with it. But I don't think someone holding a belief or whatever that is different from my own automatically makes them unfit to be in politics or whatever. I care more about their record and decision making as a political figure, as well as their views for the future.
Agreed

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:08 PM

Site the source actually saying what they are claiming and I'll agree with the assumption that she's the dumbest woman ever.

The assumption is built upon the rest of the dumb shit that she has said. That is why people are apt to believe this whereas they don't rail on Obama for an obvious misspeak (except for Mabus, CRB and PB). Which was my point.

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 12:10 PM

And I just personally don't feel she was in the media enough to be able to get an accurate portrayal of her intelligence that would make it easy to believe anonymous sources.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:12 PM

And I just personally don't feel she was in the media enough to be able to get an accurate portrayal of her intelligence that would make it easy to believe anonymous sources.

Who's fault is that?

Tea & Strumpets

11-07-2008, 12:12 PM

Site the source actually saying what they are claiming and I'll agree with the assumption that she's the dumbest woman ever.

I might be naive, or however it's spelled, but I don't think you can get to be the governor of a state while being as stupid as Palin has been presented to be.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:14 PM

So then why in the world would you infer I get my news from there?

Hmmm, geee...

Because you posted it?

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 12:15 PM

Who's fault is that?The GOP, McCain and Co. for not putting her more out there.

I might be naive, or however it's spelled, but I don't think you can get to be the governor of a state while being as stupid as Palin has been presented to be.I don't think so either.

waywardgs

11-07-2008, 12:19 PM

I think it's possible for the same reason I think it's possible to be Pro-Life personally but politically Pro-Choice.

Just because you believe in creationism doesn't mean you don't understand the scientific method and that creationism cannot be tested under it, and is therefore not suitable for a science class.

I think everyone is allowed their own belief and faith, period, whether or not I agree with it. But I don't think someone holding a belief or whatever that is different from my own automatically makes them unfit to be in politics. I care more about their record and decision making as a political figure, as well as their views for the future.

That's all fine and pretty, but have you ever seen it happen? Have you ever seen a politician hold these beliefs and NOT try to legislate them into policy in one form or another? How can it NOT affect your "decision making and views of the future"? If you're waiting on the Rapture, well, screw the environment, fuck the middle east, it won't matter once the last judgement comes anyway.

What I don't understand is throwback politics. Politicians who would rather ignore the truth of things, or even the best possible evidence available, call proponents of such evidence "intellectual elitists" (since being intellectual is such a terrible thing, evidently), and cling to convenient excuses to keep things wired the way they were 50, 70, 120 years ago. Times change. Keep up or move out of the way.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:19 PM

Hmmm, geee...

Because you posted it?

So if I posted an article from the Onion, would you assume I get my news from there?

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:20 PM

The GOP, McCain and Co. for not putting her more out there.

You mean the same people who are saying she wasn't that smart to begin with?

I wonder why they would do that...

I don't think so either.

Because there have never been dumb politicians?

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:20 PM

So if I posted an article from the Onion, would you assume I get my news from there?

The Onion is commonly known as satire. The Borrowitz report, not so much.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

11-07-2008, 12:23 PM

That's all fine and pretty, but have you ever seen it happen? Have you ever seen a politician hold these beliefs and NOT try to legislate them into policy in one form or another? How can it NOT affect your "decision making and views of the future"? If you're waiting on the Rapture, well, screw the environment, fuck the middle east, it won't matter once the last judgement comes anyway.

What I don't understand is throwback politics. Politicians who would rather ignore the truth of things, or even the best possible evidence available, call proponents of such evidence "intellectual elitists" (since being intellectual is such a terrible thing, evidently), and cling to convenient excuses to keep things wired the way they were 50, 70, 120 years ago. Times change. Keep up or move out of the way.

We've had a lot of Christian presidents and the USA hasn't fallen apart yet.

Again, just because you believe something doesn't mean you suddenly have shit judgment and sit around waiting for the world to blow up. There are a lot of personally Pro-Life people who don't want to take away a woman's right to get an abortion, but rather want to make a culture of life that encourages choosing life. That's a shining example of being personally for something but tolerant towards other views and not trying to legislate your own view.

I'm not saying our personal beliefs don't influence us, but I'm not willing to say "Oh snap, that must influence them in a negative way!" if there's no proof to show that that is the case.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:24 PM

The Onion is commonly known as satire. The Borrowitz report, not so much.

That's the only thing I've ever read from the Borrowitz Report.

It was satire.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:26 PM

That's the only thing I've ever read from the Borrowitz Report.

It was satire.

Thanks for google/sharing.

Atlanteax

11-07-2008, 12:27 PM

If you watch the video in the OP, Palin herself has no indication that she's going to seek anything on the national level in 2012.

So I would have to ask you what sources you have used to form this opinion.

Palin won't be running for 2012 ... that's all Media hype (probably because it'd mean the easiest win for Dem ticket *ever*)

I think we'll see a *much* more qualified candidate on the Rep ticket (at least relative to Palin).

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 12:31 PM

CrystalTears

11-07-2008, 12:32 PM

You mean the same people who are saying she wasn't that smart to begin with?

I wonder why they would do that...
I have no fucking clue why they hid her from the media. It was a retarded move. If they didn't have confidence in her, they should never have put her on the ticket.

So either they believed in her and are now turning on her because of the election loss, or they always believed she was stupid and was hoping it would work out in their favor. Either way, it was a dumb gamble and decision on their part.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:34 PM

Thanks for google/sharing.

What does that even mean?

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:34 PM

She was a great pick when she delivered a good convention speech and had McCain up beyond the margin of error for the first time.

....then she had a couple of bad interviews and it became apparent it wasn't such a good pick. Speculation before her speech at the convention that she was a bad pick was just guessing, though.

No. Sorry. It wasn't guessing. Plenty of people on these boards said exactly why Palin would be a failure. You didn't believe it, you were wrong. Chalk it up.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:36 PM

What does that even mean?

You might have to use one of your lifelines here...

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:37 PM

You might have to use one of your lifelines here...

You had nothing else to say.

Next time, just don't respond.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:37 PM

I have no fucking clue why they hid her from the media. It was a retarded move. If they didn't have confidence in her, they should never have put her on the ticket.

So either they believed in her and are now turning on her because of the election loss, or they always believed she was stupid and was hoping it would work out in their favor. Either way, it was a dumb gamble and decision on their part.

Agreed. This is why this is still an issue to me. If the Republican Party truthfully tried to slip one by the American people for shallow political ambitions then I think they ought to seriously re-evaluate where they stand.

That's *not* putting country first and frankly I'm dissapointed in McCain and the Republican party for doing it.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:37 PM

Speculation before her speech at the convention that she was a bad pick was just guessing, though.

Nooooooooooooooooo! It wasnt guessing!

The pundits here KNEW she was a bad pick even before the GOP considered picking her. You need to get with the program!

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:38 PM

You had nothing else to say.

Next time, just don't respond.

I have plenty to say. You seem to be lacking relevant questions, and relevant posts.

Next time, just don't post stupid posts.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Nooooooooooooooooo! It wasnt guessing!

The pundits here KNEW she was a bad pick even before the GOP considered picking her. You need to get with the program!

Yea! No way those liberals knew WTF they were talking about! We all know they are stupid!

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:39 PM

She was a great pick when she delivered a good convention speech and had McCain up beyond the margin of error for the first time.

....then she had a couple of bad interviews and it became apparent it wasn't such a good pick. Speculation before her speech at the convention that she was a bad pick was just guessing, though.

It took her 6 years to get a degree in communications from a shitty list of schools.

It was not speculation.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:40 PM

I have plenty to say. You seem to be lacking relevant questions, and relevant posts.

Next time, just don't post stupid posts.

I posted a relevent satire of the topic being discussed and you decided to . . . wait, how's it go? Hump my leg?

I'm going to have to start charging you rent, Gan.

Gan

11-07-2008, 12:47 PM

I posted a relevent satire of the topic being discussed and you decided to . . . wait, how's it go? Hump my leg?

I'm going to have to start charging you rent, Gan.

Right, because I repeatedly bump an old thread attempting to save face at a failing point in order to compensate for failed humor.

You sure got me there.

:facepalm:

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 12:48 PM

No. Sorry. It wasn't guessing. Plenty of people on these boards said exactly why Palin would be a failure. You didn't believe it, you were wrong. Chalk it up.

Actually if you read my responses I didn't say she would be a good pick, I simply said that calling it a failure before she even gave her convention speech was premature.

I have no problem admitted when I'm wrong. I wasn't wrong in saying that.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:49 PM

Right, because I repeatedly bump an old thread attempting to save face at a failing point in order to compensate for failed humor.

You sure got me there.

:facepalm:

Stop being a moron and just apologize for humping my leg instead of posting something relevant.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 12:50 PM

It took her 6 years to get a degree in communications from a shitty list of schools.

It was not speculation.

6 years full time? I never heard that but regardless, intelligence doesn't = campaign success and mediocre intelligence doesn't = campaign failure. Especially for a VP.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:50 PM

Actually if you read my responses I didn't say she would be a good pick, I simply said that calling it a failure before she even gave her convention speech was premature.

I have no problem admitted when I'm wrong. I wasn't wrong in saying that.

I acknowledge your semantic argument.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 12:53 PM

I acknowledge your semantic argument.

It's not a semantic argument at all. People were saying it was a bad pick before 90%+ of this country ever heard her say a single word. That's premature, period. If someone posted saying it was a great pick I would have said the same thing.

Parkbandit

11-07-2008, 12:53 PM

Yea! No way those liberals knew WTF they were talking about! We all know they are stupid!

Not entirely sure why you used italics here.

Keller

11-07-2008, 12:53 PM

6 years full time? I never heard that but regardless, intelligence doesn't = campaign success.

But without a modicum of intelligence you can't pass public scrutiny.

People always made fun of Dubya for being dumb. I always defended him as smarter than the average person. He was never smart enough to deserve the office he sat in for 8 years, but he was definately smarter than your average person.

I can't say that about Sarah Palin. I look at Sarah Palin and I see the gossip-queen bimbos from my high school who majored in Environmental Affairs at State U and proceede to pump out babies. I imagine many of them will soon be involved in the PTA.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 12:59 PM

It's not a semantic argument at all. People were saying it was a bad pick before 90%+ of this country ever heard her say a single word. That's premature, period. If someone posted saying it was a great pick I would have said the same thing.

Uh. Yes it is. If you are going to distinguish between it being a "failure" and it being a bad pick, then you're arguing semantics.

Bottom line: It was a bad pick. Many people knew that long before the election results came in. You can chalk it up to "guessing" all you want, but that's not even remotely true.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 01:05 PM

Uh. Yes it is. If you are going to distinguish between it being a "failure" and it being a bad pick, then you're arguing semantics.

Bottom line: It was a bad pick. Many people knew that long before the election results came in. You can chalk it up to "guessing" all you want, but that's not even remotely true.

Sorry but on this forum it is just guessing on the part of a lot of the posters. It's like the guy at a baseball game who says every player is going to go deep and then when one finally does he says, "OH SHIT YOU GUYS I CALLED THAT!!!" Yeah, you called it, but you would've "called it" no matter the situation.

Gan

11-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Stop being a moron and just apologize for humping my leg instead of posting something relevant.

Stop projecting. I should be waiting for an apology from you for making a stupid post in hopes of eliciting inferred humor where there was none.

Keller

11-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Stop projecting. I should be waiting for an apology from you for making a stupid post in hopes of eliciting inferred humor where there was none.

And now you've officially jumped the shark.

Take a deep breath; calm down.

You can PM me the apology if a public apology is too much for you to handle right now.

Gan

11-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Not entirely sure why you used italics here.

ROFL

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:08 PM

Sorry but on this forum it is just guessing on the part of a lot of the posters. It's like the guy at a baseball game who says every player is going to go deep and then when one finally does he says, "OH SHIT YOU GUYS I CALLED THAT!!!" Yeah, you called it, but you would've "called it" no matter the situation.

Sure man.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Plenty of people called it for exactly what it was: a ridiculous pander to female voters. You can call that a "lucky guess" if you want, but then you'd just be sticking your head in the sand.

Like I said. You were wrong, others were right. Chalk it up.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:09 PM

Stop projecting. I should be waiting for an apology from you for making a stupid post in hopes of eliciting inferred humor where there was none.

INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS SRSLY!!!!!

Gan

11-07-2008, 01:10 PM

And now you've officially jumped the shark.

Take a deep breath; calm down.

You can PM me the apology if a public apology is too much for you to handle right now.

:lol:

BECAUZ INTERWEBZ IZ SERIOUZ BIZNESS.

Gan

11-07-2008, 01:11 PM

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:11 PM

INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS SRSLY!!!!!

:lol:

BECAUZ INTERWEBZ IZ SERIOUZ BIZNESS.

Rent plz.

Gan

11-07-2008, 01:12 PM

Rent plz.

You just hit the post button quicker.

You still owe me back rent.

Keller

11-07-2008, 01:13 PM

Thanks for the PM Gan.

Apology accepted.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:14 PM

You just hit the post button quicker.
.

I win the internet!!!!

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 01:15 PM

Sure man.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Plenty of people called it for exactly what it was: a ridiculous pander to female voters. You can call that a "lucky guess" if you want, but then you'd just be sticking your head in the sand.

Like I said. You were wrong, others were right. Chalk it up.

Your objectiveness in every other political thread really disproves my point.

And it was a pander to female voters and I said that as well, that doesn't mean it couldn't succeed. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:19 PM

Your objectiveness in every other political thread really disproves my point.

And it was a pander to female voters and I said that as well, that doesn't mean it couldn't succeed. Those aren't mutually exclusive.

Well, feel free to find an appropriate ad hominem attack on everybody else on these boards and in the national spotlight who said the same thing.

Until then you're just trying to cover your ass.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 01:35 PM

Cover my ass for what? Being wrong doesn't bother me. I don't give a shit when I'm wrong because I'm human and it happens. You may have different experiences with yourself and others but being wrong does not bother me.

People in the national media who are capable of giving unbiased opinions about these things and who called this deserve credit. People who rip on what Republicans do, no matter what, are a different story.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 01:37 PM

People in the national media who are capable of giving unbiased opinions about these things and who called this deserve credit. .

So, you're saying no left leaning person on these boards was capable at looking at the situation objectively to say it was a bad idea?

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 01:45 PM

So, you're saying no left leaning person on these boards was capable at looking at the situation objectively to say it was a bad idea?

I'll say that I don't believe you were able to. From someone who was on the outside looking in to most of the political bitching this election season I can say that you were as wrapped up as anyone on these boards. Think of the way you view PB and Mabus, it's probably pretty close to how most people not vested in e-peen measuring via political arguments viewed you.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 02:09 PM

I'll say that I don't believe you were able to. From someone who was on the outside looking in to most of the political bitching this election season I can say that you were as wrapped up as anyone on these boards. Think of the way you view PB and Mabus, it's probably pretty close to how most people not vested in e-peen measuring via political arguments viewed you.

That's a nice deflection of the question.

I'm fully aware of how the "conservative" posters on these boards view me. You can ignore all the things I posted prior to the middle of the primary season.

However, that still doesn't change the question. I asked you if you thought people on these boards were incapable of coming to the objective conclusion that Palin was a bad idea; after you stipulated that objective people in the media were capable of doing so; after you stated that no one could have known that palin was a bad idea; after you clarified that you meant that no one could have predicted that Palin was a failure: after you said that Palin was a good idea up to the convention, but a bad one after that.

So, the question remains "Do you think that people on these boards, or if you'd prefer people outside of the mainstream media, were reasonable in concluding that Palin was a bad selection from the start".

The point being that, of course, people were able to make that judgement before tuesday.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 02:11 PM

Daniel

11-07-2008, 02:12 PM

Sure some objective people here could make that conclusion and I'd give them credit. I didn't mean to say only objective media members could do so. I just equate the arguing here to a baseball game where most people are so vested on one side or the other (which is why I used the home run call analogy).

I'm not disagreeing with this statement @ all.

I'm disagreeing with you trying to say that people were incapable of calling a spade a spade because you consider them some partisan.

What does it say about you when you automatically assume someone is wrong because they are on a different side than you were?

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 02:30 PM

What does it say about you when you automatically assume someone is wrong because they are on a different side than you were?

I don't think "wrong" is the right word. I think a more accurate question would be: What does it say about me when I automatically assume the other side would have ripped on McCain's choice no matter what? And for that reason I'm going to give you guys the same credit I would give the baseball fan who calls that home run.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 03:58 PM

I don't think "wrong" is the right word. I think a more accurate question would be: What does it say about me when I automatically assume the other side would have ripped on McCain's choice no matter what? And for that reason I'm going to give you guys the same credit I would give the baseball fan who calls that home run.

Fair enough. I can accept that.

In my defense: I rip on dumb democrats too. It's just turned extra silly on the right recently.

To get the last word: That's not exactly what you were saying earlier ;)

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 04:04 PM

Heh, I still maintain that even objective people who called it a bad choice prior to even her convention speech were acting prematurely.

Daniel

11-07-2008, 04:07 PM

Heh, I still maintain that even objective people who called it a bad choice prior to even her convention speech were acting prematurely.

That's why they call it predictons ;)

But that's a far cry from "guessing". You can acknowledge that anything can happen while still anticipating the most likely scenario.

Hulkein

11-07-2008, 04:39 PM

I was horribly vague in my last post, let me clarify.

Keller posted a thread - http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=35649&highlight=incomplete+pass - that was already concluding that Palin was a bad choice prior to her convention speech and it was using Gallup polls as the basis for its conclusion. That is what I still believe was premature.

I do believe people could predict that it would end up being a bad choice, but to conclude at that time using polls before even her first national speech was premature.

Sorry for being vague.

SolitareConfinement

11-07-2008, 05:30 PM

I believe in witches in the Wiccan term, yeah. But they're not agents in Satanism or Devil-worship (they don't even believe in the Devil!) and I certainly can't agree with or approve of a church that thinks it's okay to persecute them or anyone else who has non-Christian religious beliefs.

They slung the mud about Wright, and yet when it's her church and her pastor that is saying/doing nasty things, that doesn't matter? It's hypocrisy.

my apologies i mistook what you were saying.

I agree its wrong etc etc etc. However with the separation of church and state we are supposed to look past how she believes even if her religion does get in the way. NOW would her religious affiliation effect my vote? no...UNLESS she would use it in a political way to gain an advantage...IE if she made abortion illegal based on her religious beliefs instead of thinking about what our founding fathers wanted when they wrote the declaration of independence...because frankly they wrote it for us to have a CHOICE :)

basically this post is pointless I'm sure i could have summed it up with the mistaking of what you were saying but felt the need to babble... carry on