My FUCKING President

[Necromancer]

MY PRESIDENT was on TV. MY FLAG was waving.

For the first time in years, I LOVE my country. I am PROUD to be an American.

I have hope. I have no fear.

And give me a "GOD BLESS AMERICA" if you feel the same way.

And to the Trolls who're going to hit this post hard with "I'm a sore loser and need to lash out at something"...I hope you feel better about the next four years than we have felt in the last 8. I wouldn't wish the last 8 years on anyone. Even you.

America...FUCK YEAH!

[Alfster]

Are you taking over as the gay backlash?

[Miscast]

I'll bet you Obama privately dislikes queers.

[AestheticDeath]

Does this mean Obama is really gay?

[BriarFox]

Ixnay on the imaginary father-figure, but definitely three cheers for America.

[Necromancer]

hahahahah say all you want!

I'm listening to MY FUCKING PRESIDENT!

GOD life is good for the first time in so long.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

[Anebriated]

Im happy with the choice America made tonight, but it didnt give me a raging hard-on like others so it seems. I think Obama will be a good president, one that the country has needed for awhile. However I dont think he will be the savior people make him out to be. I like that he is respected internationally, it should help our image to the rest of the world, and he is very well spoken. In the end he is just another president that will be here for 4-8 years and then we will probably be fucked again.

My advice, grab a box of tissues and a bottle of lube and knock yourself out while you still have the chubby.

[Tolwynn]

Sadly, though he is your President, even he will still never be able to understand you.

[Necromancer]

America just voted a black man in. NORTH CAORLINA just voted a black man in.

No, there's no going back. Something truly special happened tonight. Something we're going to be proud of for generations to come.

And my GOD am I proud right now.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I'm obviously really happy that Obama won-- I'm also relieved, proud, and a plethora of other emotions that are hard to really sort out.

I can say though that I don't want to rub this into McCain supporters faces or anyone else who may not have supported/voted for Obama. I understand you being happy, Necromancer, but what does it accomplish to try to rub salt into the Republican wounds? It's like Obama said in his victory speech tonight-- this is everyone's country. That means not just the D's or the R's depending on who wrestles control, and the attitude of "you fucked me over, so I'm going to fuck you over!" has to stop somewhere IMO or else it continues on a vicious back-and-forth pendulum that makes a lot of noise but gets little done.

My worst nightmare is to see the Democrats turn into now, what we perceived the Republicans to be under Bush. I don't want a new definition of patriotism where you're only a patriot if you agree with the Dems (instead of the Republicans), I don't want people to be called intolerant, racist, etc etc and other slanderous labels because of valid disagreements they have with the party in favor. We didn't like it when it was done to us, and we would be the ultimate hypocrites to turn around and do it back. My hope, and maybe it's totally unrealistic but oh well, is that an example is set that just because some have been wronged or treated poorly in the past, and are now suddenly in power, doesn't mean they have to act with tyranny and malice.

I didn't vote for Obama looking for someone to get back at the Republicans for the past 8 years and take out revenge on half of the country. I know a lot of people right now are disappointed or angry about the outcome of this election. I also know how that feels, given the outcome of the previous two elections. I can just hope they'll give Obama a fair chance, and hope Obama does this country some good.

[Necromancer]

You misunderstand my point.

MY FLAG. MY PRESIDENT means that for once, I feel included. No one shut me out just for political advantage. And that's what Bush did for 8 years. He played me and so many others in this country, told the country we didn't matter, just for his own gain.

I PRAY that after 8 years of divisive politics, we can finally be whole again.

I pray that after 200 years of divisive politics, we can finally be whole for the first time.

Again I say..GOD BLESS America.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I get your point, and your fervor.

My point is to not get carried away in it, because in the long run, it'll just create more divisiveness, but rather in the opposite direction.

[Faent]

Necromancer, you are a weird freak.

[radamanthys]

Naw. Social restrictiveness has made its trademark recently as christianity's more intolerant side as well as the "scared parents".

That includes the USAPATRIOT act, FISA, burning of donated condoms by Catholic missionaries in Africa, active repression of Gay rights, and an unrealistic view on sex.

None of which were good for the long-term survival of freedom.

But where the Republicans love Order over Freedom, the Democrats love to push Equality over Freedom.

We may be facing a set of laws just as Draconian as before, just hailing from an entirely different spectrum of ideals. I don't trust my civil liberties in the hands of either party.

Fairness Doctrine may come about, maybe illegalization of certain words or turns of phrases, big mandates for businesses possibly hindering the ease of doing business (mandatory union membership, Affirmative Action, etc.) limitation of certain kinds of genetics research. It could happen.

[Nieninque]

You misunderstand my point.

MY FLAG. MY PRESIDENT means that for once, I feel included.

Ii dont know why.
Everyone still thinks you are a dick.

Grats on the Black Sheriff.

All politicians are the same anyway.

[Gan]

Sadly, though he is your President, even he will still never be able to understand you.

:lol:

[Gan]

Grats on the Black Sheriff.

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/blazing_saddles-cleavon_little.jpg

[Bobmuhthol]

<<America just voted a black man in. NORTH CAORLINA just voted a black man in.>>

Half black, and he was raised by a single white mother.

[Solkern]

Heh, They are having a Parade for Obama in Sweden lol

[Parkbandit]

Heh, They are having a Parade for Obama in Sweden lol


Quite telling, no?

Grats to Obama though.. he ran a great campaign. Thankfully, things didn't turn out all that bad for the Republicans imo. They got their ass kicked JUST enough to maybe learn a fucking lesson, but not to the point where the entire system was in jeopardy of having zero checks. Could have been MUCH worse.

MIGHT just be what the Doctor ordered after years of pseudo-conservatism.

Bobby Jindal 2012 imo.

[Necromancer]

Quite telling, no?

Grats to Obama though.. he ran a great campaign. Thankfully, things didn't turn out all that bad for the Republicans imo. They got their ass kicked JUST enough to maybe learn a fucking lesson, but not to the point where the entire system was in jeopardy of having zero checks. Could have been MUCH worse.

MIGHT just be what the Doctor ordered after years of pseudo-conservatism.

Bobby Jindal 2012 imo.

Well color me shocked.

And yes, hopefully they've learned that if they go too far right they just galvanize the left. And maybe collaborative politics will get more of a fair try in the future. (starting with Obama I hope)

[Parkbandit]

Well color me shocked.

And yes, hopefully they've learned that if they go too far right they just galvanize the left. And maybe collaborative politics will get more of a fair try in the future. (starting with Obama I hope)


I believe I can speak for most intelligent people here when I say we color you simply stupid as fuck.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This country is so fucked.

[Stretch]

God help me, but I just hope that he doesn't get turned into a martyr and lit fuse for an all-out race war.

You know some whackjob is going to go for it.

[Necromancer]

I believe I can speak for most intelligent people here when I say we color you simply stupid as fuck.

I'd put more stock in my intelligence than yours any day. You being quick to throw out a barrage of insults and recycled neocon bull doesn't make you smart- it just makes you predictable.

[Necromancer]

God help me, but I just hope that he doesn't get turned into a martyr and lit fuse for an all-out race war.

You know some whackjob is going to go for it.

Looking at the election map- I think even they voted for Obama.

[Nieninque]

I'd put more stock in my intelligence than yours any day. You being quick to throw out a barrage of insults and recycled neocon bull doesn't make you smart- it just makes you predictable.

I dont rate you as particularly intelligent. outside of a geeky way, anyway.
You love to throw in some pseudo-intellectual phrase to a debate to make it sound like you are an expert on the topic in hand, but mostly it makes you sound like some pretentious prick who read a text book and now thinks he knows everything.

As I said before, most people still regard you are a dick.

Grats.

[Parkbandit]

I'd put more stock in my intelligence than yours any day. You being quick to throw out a barrage of insults and recycled neocon bull doesn't make you smart- it just makes you predictable.

Sounds like a junk stock if it's based upon your intelligence, Queerthose. I don't invest in junk stocks.. you shouldn't either.

[Some Rogue]

All politicians are the same anyway.

Look even the foreigner gets it. We just swapped one crooked politician for another.

[Nieninque]

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/blazing_saddles-cleavon_little.jpg

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/Auwyn/blacksherriff.jpg

[AnticorRifling]

MY PRESIDENT was on TV. MY FLAG was waving.

For the first time in years, I LOVE my country. I am PROUD to be an American.

I have hope. I have no fear.

And give me a "GOD BLESS AMERICA" if you feel the same way.

And to the Trolls who're going to hit this post hard with "I'm a sore loser and need to lash out at something"...I hope you feel better about the next four years than we have felt in the last 8. I wouldn't wish the last 8 years on anyone. Even you.

America...FUCK YEAH!

Now go enlist and protect and serve that flag, country, and president.

[ElanthianSiren]

I think Obama will be a good president, one that the country has needed for awhile. However I dont think he will be the savior people make him out to be. I like that he is respected internationally, it should help our image to the rest of the world, and he is very well spoken. In the end he is just another president that will be here for 4-8 years and then we will probably be fucked again.


x2


God help me, but I just hope that he doesn't get turned into a martyr and lit fuse for an all-out race war.

You know some whackjob is going to go for it.

My boyfriend and I were making bets last night about how long until someone tries to take him out. With this turnout, this many young people excited, the divisiveness from the crowd during McCain's concession speech, it just seems inevitably kennedy-esque.

Justin: Like a year and a half (january to august)
Me: Year (jan to jan).

Now I've had the Misfits stuck in my head since last night.

[Sean of the Thread]

He's just happy because Obama is pro gay marriage.

[ElanthianSiren]

He's just happy because Obama is pro gay marriage.

Gay marriage just got its ass handed to it in California. Prop 8. I don't see obama enacting major gay marriage rights legislation though. Wasn't he pretty silent on it?

In fact, I believe Biden said during the VP debate that neither one of them support redefining marriage.

[CrystalTears]

Obama is all for civil unions, but even he has stated his desire to keep marriage as man and woman.

[ElanthianSiren]

Thanks CT. I must have missed whenever he said that directly.

[Parkbandit]

Obama is all for civil unions, but even he has stated his desire to keep marriage as man and woman.

Who really knows though. He also stated that he will be giving a tax cut to 95% of Americans.. regardless that it is mathematically impossible to do.

Obama said so many things, made so many promises, he has no intention of keeping. Should be fun to keep track of all the promises that never see the light of day.

[Mabus]

Thanks CT. I must have missed whenever he said that directly.
Obama on same-sex marriage -Saddleback Forum (http://multimedia.boston.com/pub/m/20693655/obama_on_same_sex_marriage.htm)

[Parkbandit]

Obama on same-sex marriage -Saddleback Forum (http://multimedia.boston.com/pub/m/20693655/obama_on_same_sex_marriage.htm)

Yea.. it couldn't possibly be that he was speaking to a religious crowd when he made that statement...

Personally, I think if someone wants to marry someone else, then they should be allowed to. Who fucking cares if it's a man and a woman, two women or two men. How again does that affect your life?

[Some Rogue]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/Auwyn/blacksherriff.jpg

Hahaha.

I present to you a laurel and hardy handshake.

[Paradii]

Yea.. it couldn't possibly be that he was speaking to a religious crowd when he made that statement...

Personally, I think if someone wants to marry someone else, then they should be allowed to. Who fucking cares if it's a man and a woman, two women or two men. How again does that affect your life?

Are you saying the second coming of jesus, the ensuing rapture and apocalypse wouldn't affect your life?!?!?!?!?!?

You are a stoic old man, PB.

[DeV]

Yea.. it couldn't possibly be that he was speaking to a religious crowd when he made that statement...

Personally, I think if someone wants to marry someone else, then they should be allowed to. Who fucking cares if it's a man and a woman, two women or two men. How again does that affect your life?He made the same statements when speaking before a gay and lesbian forum back on the primary campaign trail so his sentiments regarding the definition of marriage should be well known with proponents of gay marriage. It's going to be an uphill battle every step of the way; I don't foresee any incredible leaps and bounds with regard to this anytime soon.

[Gan]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh95/Auwyn/blacksherriff.jpg

ROFL

I would have done that but I would have been accused of being a bitter R-Team member and a racist.

Nien for the wien.

[Jorddyn]

Personally, I think if someone wants to marry someone else, then they should be allowed to. Who fucking cares if it's a man and a woman, two women or two men. How again does that affect your life?

Maybe the man I am supposed to marry will marry a man instead. What then? I'm supposed to live alone so they can run around, gay and frolicky?

[Nieninque]

ROFL

I would have done that but I would have been accused of being a bitter R-Team member and a racist.

Nien for the wien.

I consider myself to be anti-racist, so it's fine for me.

I'm glad he won and am living in hope that he will change my view of politicians.

I'm not holding my breath though.

[Nieninque]

Maybe the man I am supposed to marry will marry a man instead. What then? I'm supposed to live alone so they can run around, gay and frolicky?

Ewww...you love fags.

[LadyKiora]

I've never really been a Democrat, or a Republican. I really could care less who runs our country, race, religion, gender, really doesn't matter to me at all. But there are some major issues out there that are very important.

-A person should be able to choose whether they want an abortion or not. Society should stay away from making the decision for you.

-A person who wishes to purchase a gun for whatever reason, barring some illegal reasons of course, should be able to do it.

-If a person breaks into my home, while I am there and I feel that my life is in jeopardy, guess what....

-If someone wants to marry someone else from the same sex, let them be happy.

-Fix the economy/loans/mortgages before we crash the world market.

-Do not cut back on defense spending. We will need this, because no matter what anyone sais...WE are the superpower and the police force of the world, it is unavoidable. Every country in the world may hate us, but they look to us for help when the crap hits the fan.

Had some other thoughts but I forget at the moment.

:club:

[Jorddyn]

Ewww...you love fags.

But if there wasn't gay marriage, they wouldn't be gay, and it wouldn't be a problem. Duh.

[Nieninque]

Still...you love fags.

[DeV]

But if there wasn't gay marriage, they wouldn't be gay, and it wouldn't be a problem. Duh.Haha, I see what you did there.

[Drinin]

I just don't understand the hype. Last night you could see people crying and looking orgasmic as he gave his speech after winning the election. I didn't feel anything. For whatever reason, he just doesn't inspire me to do anything except fall asleep. But whatever, at least the election mess is over.

[Jorddyn]

Still...you love fags.

Ok, maybe a little.

[Some Rogue]

Marlboros?

[LadyKiora]

A funny tidbit, the local radiostations have been overplaying a snippet from one of Mcain's speaches that basically makes him sound like the Penguin. The best I can describe it is a questioning sound that someone would make when looking for approval.

[Jorddyn]

Marlboros?

Ultra lights. But only when drinking.*

*Ok, so I drink every day.

[Nieninque]

Marlboros?

I would have given you rep for that, but this rep system is racist.

[Adequate Picker]

Its easy to figure out why NC voted in a "black" man as president. Its cause so many fucking yankees are moving down here, its not NC anymore.

Its Brooklyn South.

However...he won so we deal.

[Anebriated]

I just don't understand the hype. Last night you could see people crying and looking orgasmic as he gave his speech after winning the election. I didn't feel anything. For whatever reason, he just doesn't inspire me to do anything except fall asleep. But whatever, at least the election mess is over.

The hype is mainly because of two things. First, hes black. Its the first time in the history of the US that we have had a black president and many people look at our country as a leader to the world. We are also one of the few countries that has NOT had a black leader at any point. If anything that might help us become a little more accepted in the eyes of many who questioned our ways before. There was a really cool speech done about this by a Penn professor not too long ago.

Second, people wanted a change from Bush and older Bush wasnt going to provide that. Im not saying that this is the best of reasons to be celebrating like you just won the world series but sadly our country isnt filled with the brightest of people. I cant tell you how many people were in the streets of Philly again last night because Obama won. I dont think that would have happened if McCain had been elected. Maybe they just wanted an excuse to riot again.

[Stanley Burrell]

Good avatar. Even though this cat shit is retarded.


A funny tidbit, the local radiostations have been overplaying a snippet from one of Mcain's speeches that basically makes him sound like the Penguin.

Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtx97MR08Cg

Somewhat randomly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up_9oQQhOaY

[Some Rogue]

I would have given you rep for that, but this rep system is racist.

I blame Obama. Already trying to keep the white man down.

[Nieninque]

many people look at our country as a leader to the world.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

[Hulkein]

For the first time in years, I LOVE my country. I am PROUD to be an American.

That's stupendous. Says a lot about you.

[Allereli]

Its easy to figure out why NC voted in a "black" man as president. Its cause so many fucking yankees are moving down here, its not NC anymore.

Its Brooklyn South.

However...he won so we deal.

Yes, freedom of movement should be taken away!

[Stanley Burrell]

Heh, They are having a Parade for Obama in Sweden lol

Did you see your many girlfriends bouncing their breasts together in celebration on USSR television? I'm imagining Moscow, Russia isn't that close to the Glorious Nation of Abba.

[Adequate Picker]

Yes, freedom of movement should be taken away!

True, but what they are moving from up north, they are voting in the same thing down south.

We already had it figured out. Didnt and dont need them to help us.

[Gan]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

You're still pissed about that tea party incident arent you?

[Stanley Burrell]

I blame Obama. Already trying to keep the white man down.

I dunno, I'm getting tired of the half-black/half-Asian parodies on Tiger Woods' ethnicity. BET will have all sorts of awesome new material for half-black/half-white stereotypical standup comedy now. I can't wait.

[Nieninque]

You're still pissed about that tea party incident arent you?

I cant stand tea. I would have helped.

[Jorddyn]

True, but what they are moving from up north, they are voting in the same thing down south.

We already had it figured out. Didnt and dont need them to help us.

And this is the exact "us versus them" mentality that really needs to change. Whever "they" are moving from, if they're voting then "they" are Americans, "they" have a vote, "they" have a voice, and "they" deserve to be heard. The fact that "they" voted differently than you doesn't make "their" votes any less relevant, any less appropriate, or any less valid. Welcome to your purple state. It's a hell of a lot more fun than blue or red anyhow.

[Gan]

I cant stand tea. I would have helped.

:lol:

traitor

[Anebriated]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

I cant argue with your logic here.

[ViridianAsp]

What is sad is I'm fairly conservative and voted no on 8 and it still won. I'm a bit disappointed by this, mainly because I think it's unfair, I may have mixed feelings on gay marriage, but at the same time I wouldn't deny people their rights. Oh well.

As far as Obama, I am a member of the independent party. I find both parties to be flawed and corrupt, I voted for McCain because I thought he'd be a fair leader.

You keep talking about YOUR PRESIDENT and YOUR COUNTRY, it's always been, you chose to feel outside of it. You chose to feel that way because you thought the label you have for yourself made you an outsider, so you've decided to wear a chip on your shoulder because of it. Honestly, it's not as big a thing as it once was and I find people (at least here, even in my uptight religious family, which three of my closest relatives are in fact gay.) are more accepting.

Now you come here and show just how big of a chip it really is. Good job.

[Keller]

This thread would have been prevented if fucking Kranar had put this (http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html) into the forum.

[Stanley Burrell]

Ii dont know why.
Everyone still thinks you are a dick.

Grats on the Black Sheriff.

All politicians are the same anyway.

Ii love America too :heart:

And despite how similar politicians are (Ii agree with you there) their actions will ultimately decide how the world continues to turn. Let's pretend we elected a Bornagain retard for eight years who went after a nation that never attacked us; despite that (durrrr) these individuals are all politicians and will use the same cloak and daggers bullshit, there will still be change.

For example, had aforementioned Bornagain retard not been elected twice, you would not be as spiteful, Nien, and in need of a fortnight of sexual relations to fuck the grumpiness out of you, despite what you might otherwise think.

<<Necromancer>>

You aren't proud of this country for the good that it has done? I'm not proud of our actions, but the U.S. military didn't not prevent you from speaking German because of George Bush II's dumbass actions. No matter how not proud I might be of certain actions we will inevitably take and use our freedom of speech to express discontent (with), that shouldn't be the turning point of love and hate -- I mean, how sporadic are you? People fuck up, ameliorate, stagnate, etc. our stars and stripes; the stars and stripes do not fuck up, ameliorate, stagnate, etc. the stars and stripes. I have great pride and love for our inanimate metaphor.

[Anebriated]

This thread would have been prevented if fucking Kranar had put this (http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.html) into the forum.


thats awesome. drunk proof emailing.

[Ravenstorm]

Maybe the man I am supposed to marry will marry a man instead. What then? I'm supposed to live alone so they can run around, gay and frolicky?

I do not frolic. Any claims otherwise are pure slander.

[Jorddyn]

I do not frolic. Any claims otherwise are pure slander.

Then how are we supposed to identify you from afar? Sheesh, people make things so difficult.

[Hulkein]

I do not frolic. Any claims otherwise are pure slander.

Or libel, in this case.

[Allereli]

True, but what they are moving from up north, they are voting in the same thing down south.

We already had it figured out. Didnt and dont need them to help us.

What is it, 1861?

And thank you Jorddyn for your response.

[Stretch]

Then how are we supposed to identify you from afar? Sheesh, people make things so difficult.

Listen to him talk for ten seconds.

[TheEschaton]

What is sad is I'm fairly conservative and voted no on 8 and it still won. I'm a bit disappointed by this, mainly because I think it's unfair, I may have mixed feelings on gay marriage, but at the same time I wouldn't deny people their rights. Oh well.
.

I thought Prop 8 was defeated?

It passed in FL and somewhere else though, the amendment to define marriage.

Can't wait for it to be brought up federally, when even our current conservative SCOTUS is forced to say it's unconstitutional.

-TheE-

[g++]

I thought Prop 8 was defeated?

It passed in FL and somewhere else though, the amendment to define marriage.

Can't wait for it to be brought up federally, when even our current conservative SCOTUS is forced to say it's unconstitutional.

-TheE-


If 52% yes(for ban) with 95% reporting. Most stations are tongue and cheek calling it without actually projecting its over.

[Tsa`ah]

The reason is likely do to absentee ballots.

[Trinity]

<<America just voted a black man in. NORTH CAORLINA just voted a black man in.>>

Half black, and he was raised by a single white mother.

Agreed. Most of the American people forget this part about our new President. He is half white and half black.

How about giving some credit back to his white mother that put so much time and effort into our new "black" President. Lets not forget who he came from.

However, I think our new Bi-racial President will do us some good in the years to come. Maybe, he will fix what Bush has fickled up.

BTW, have you all seen the new gas prices? Guess Bush wanted to go out with a bang.

Has anyone else besides myself and a few other people, I've talked to, heard about another stimulus package?

[ElanthianSiren]

If 52% yes(for ban) with 95% reporting. Most stations are tongue and cheek calling it without actually projecting its over.

What happens if it ends up 50/50?

[g++]

What happens if it ends up 50/50?

I honestly dont know what would happen if a complete draw occurred but I think thats fairly unlikely. CNN analysts are already speaking like it has passed, the company wont announce because it does not want to look stupid in the unlikely event a massive proportion of the 5% left voted No but I dont see any reason the last 5% would skew that far off the other 95%.

[Allereli]

How about giving some credit back to his white mother that put so much time and effort into our new "black" President. Lets not forget who he came from.

While I completely agree with you, people see Obama as black, just as people see me as Asian. I was raised by my father who is as white as white can be, in predominantly white, wealthy town. Still, some people see me as only Asian. It's not about taking credit away from his white mother who raised him, it's that no matter what, he will always be seen as a black man.

[Tsa`ah]

I honestly dont know what would happen if a complete draw occurred but I think thats fairly unlikely. CNN analysts are already speaking like it has passed, the company wont announce because it does not want to look stupid in the unlikely event a massive proportion of the 5% left voted No but I dont see any reason the last 5% would skew that far off the other 95%.

No agency is going to call it one way or another because they're going to count absentee (and possibly) provisional ballots first. That's not going to happen in a day ... even a week.

[g++]

No agency is going to call it one way or another because they're going to count absentee (and possibly) provisional ballots first. That's not going to happen in a day ... even a week.

Right but im saying CNN wont even project yet. Obviously CNN isnt going to fly out to California and stop the official count.

[TheEschaton]

Shit, when I went to bed last night, Prop 8 was well on its way to being defeated, looks like an 8 point swing overnight.

-TheE-

[Jorddyn]

Shit, when I went to bed last night, Prop 8 was well on its way to being defeated, looks like an 8 point swing overnight.

Minority heavy urban areas were likely some of the last polls to come in. Slate did an article a while back on the effect of turning out the minority vote on the same sex marriage issue - and called it right.

[nub]

BTW, have you all seen the new gas prices? Guess Bush wanted to go out with a bang.

LoL.... you think bush has control of the gas prices....?

[g++]

Minority heavy urban areas were likely some of the last polls to come in. Slate did an article a while back on the effect of turning out the minority vote on the same sex marriage issue - and called it right.

Well that does bode well for the idea the last 5% might knock it down. To be severly prejudice and make an unfounded remark I will be hammered for I doubt many absentee ballots come from minority heavy urban areas. I know its wrong but I still think it.

[Adequate Picker]

What is it, 1861?

And thank you Jorddyn for your response.

No. Its 2008 and i liked my hometown a hell of a lot more before it got invaded.

Still, people are free to do as they wish and i would not deny them that. Does not mean i have to like it. Gota accept it but not like it.

[TheEschaton]

Imagine that, the whole country being taken over by reason. THe horror, the horror!

[CrystalTears]

Imagine that, the whole country being taken over by reason. THe horror, the horror!
We'll see.

[Drew]

For the first time in years I HATE my country. God DAMN America!

I'm so startled. I'm damn near TERRIFIED.



Just kidding, I'm not retarded.

[Jorddyn]

No. Its 2008 and i liked my hometown a hell of a lot more before it got invaded.


Isolationism and xenophobia FTL, I guess.

[DeV]

Agreed. Most of the American people forget this part about our new President. He is half white and half black. I honestly don't see how anyone could not know this unless they are entirely ill-informed of our president-elect. Obama will always be his mother's son and he has honored her memory in many of his campaign speeches.


How about giving some credit back to his white mother that put so much time and effort into our new "black" President. Lets not forget who he came from.
Unfortunately, being half black in America is still seen as being simply black. Perhaps over time this will change, but even so it doesn't take anything away from Obama's mother whose importance and impact on his life has been sealed in American history.

[zhelas]

Interesting that each Bush was followed by a Democrat being elected.

Since there will be no Bush, everyone shave!

[Necromancer]

What is sad is I'm fairly conservative and voted no on 8 and it still won. I'm a bit disappointed by this, mainly because I think it's unfair, I may have mixed feelings on gay marriage, but at the same time I wouldn't deny people their rights. Oh well.

As far as Obama, I am a member of the independent party. I find both parties to be flawed and corrupt, I voted for McCain because I thought he'd be a fair leader.

You keep talking about YOUR PRESIDENT and YOUR COUNTRY, it's always been, you chose to feel outside of it. You chose to feel that way because you thought the label you have for yourself made you an outsider, so you've decided to wear a chip on your shoulder because of it. Honestly, it's not as big a thing as it once was and I find people (at least here, even in my uptight religious family, which three of my closest relatives are in fact gay.) are more accepting.

Now you come here and show just how big of a chip it really is. Good job.

Yeah, that's right. Always been a part of it. Tell that to the black men and women who still remember segregation, who always believed, with good reason, that they would always continue to be ruled over by white men. You clearly have no concept of what this victory has meant to them.

And, perhaps you missed it, but the last President used the rights of gay and lesbians to get into office. Willingly spread heterosexism far and wide to consolidate his political power- which worked all too well (even ending in the removal of the gay and lesbian affairs office in the White House that was created by Clinton). The rise in sexually-motivated hate crimes,incidentally, has been up the last 8 years.

Or the two wars that half of us were dragged into during the last 8 years. The lies and misinformation spread by the President that made it politically dangerous to question those wars. The fervent nationalism that lead to so many racially-motivated hate crimes in this country.

Yeah, that's right, most of us CHOSE not to be a part of this country....after it was made clear to us that we weren't welcome.

So yeah, for the first time in a decade I looked at the screen and didn't think "Great, there's the religious right's President." I looked up and said "That's my fucking president!"

I make no apologies for that. Sorry if that makes YOUR chip so apparent.

[LadyKiora]

[QUOTE=Necromancer;834398]Or the two wars that half of us were dragged into during the last 8 years. The lies and misinformation spread by the President that made it politically dangerous to question those wars. The fervent nationalism that lead to so many racially-motivated hate crimes in this country.QUOTE]

Actually, these wars you refer to...

"War on Terrorism" - The entire country pretty much begged for this with the aftermath of 9/11.

Iraq - This war only seemed as though we got drug into it, but the fact is this war was a long time coming, because we never finished what was started back in the early 90s when we pushed Iraq out of Kuwait (which I believe was Bush Sr.?). I don't agree on how and why this one started, but at the same time it was inevitable.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah, that's right. Always been a part of it. Tell that to the black men and women who still remember segregation, who always believed, with good reason, that they would always continue to be ruled over by white men. You clearly have no concept of what this victory has meant to them.

And, perhaps you missed it, but the last President used the rights of gay and lesbians to get into office. Willingly spread heterosexism far and wide to consolidate his political power- which worked all too well (even ending in the removal of the gay and lesbian affairs office in the White House that was created by Clinton). The rise in sexually-motivated hate crimes,incidentally, has been up the last 8 years.

Or the two wars that half of us were dragged into during the last 8 years. The lies and misinformation spread by the President that made it politically dangerous to question those wars. The fervent nationalism that lead to so many racially-motivated hate crimes in this country.

Yeah, that's right, most of us CHOSE not to be a part of this country....after it was made clear to us that we weren't welcome.

So yeah, for the first time in a decade I looked at the screen and didn't think "Great, there's the religious right's President." I looked up and said "That's my fucking president!"

I make no apologies for that. Sorry if that makes YOUR chip so apparent.
How many years did you serve in the military during the wars you were dragged into?

[Warriorbird]

Said military would likely have thrown him out for his sexuality.

[Methais]

MY PRESIDENT was on TV. MY FLAG was waving.

For the first time in years, I LOVE my country. I am PROUD to be an American.

I have hope. I have no fear.

And give me a "GOD BLESS AMERICA" if you feel the same way.

And to the Trolls who're going to hit this post hard with "I'm a sore loser and need to lash out at something"...I hope you feel better about the next four years than we have felt in the last 8. I wouldn't wish the last 8 years on anyone. Even you.

America...FUCK YEAH!

Enjoy it while the illusion is still fresh.

[Necromancer]

It wasn't inevitable at all. It wasn't even on the national agenda, and it was being dealt with by the international community. The man stood up in front of us and gave us evidence already disproven by the UN- swore to us that he had found WMDs. And it turned out, there was nothing.

It wasn't a good time in this country to be an objector to the war. It was actually a scary time, and it was a helpless time. You watched these things happening and knew that there was no way around it. He was going to lie and force his way through the war if it killed him (and us). I know I'm not the only one who felt that way. And yeah, a LOT of this country supported it (something I think many have come to be ashamed of), but the rest of us just sort of shut off.

So many people have conveyed to me that they went through this "shut off" period. Many of us who had been VERY politically active before the Bush administration just sort of..stopped reading and watching the news. A lot of us dropped out of politics. We just lost our hope. We shouldn't have given up the way we did- I think THAT'S something we should be ashamed of. But we did. Last night just felt like someone gave us hope for the first time in a long time.

People can shit over that statement all they want, but it was shared by millions. last night in Berkeley we were dancing in the streets, people were marching with American flags (and for the first time, it wasn't scary to see a large group of people running around with the flag), cars wouldn't stop honking. It was pure jubilation. And it was beautiful! A collective sigh of relief. A collective tear of joy. THAT'S what this thread was about. I'm sorry a few people unintentionally or intentionally misconstrued it.

[Necromancer]

Said military would likely have thrown him out for his sexuality.

Psh, I kicked them out first!

[AnticorRifling]

Berkeley, enough said.

[AnticorRifling]

Psh, I kicked them out first! You were oppressing us! ZOMG we will now give up hope!

[Jorddyn]

How many years did you serve in the military during the wars you were dragged into?

While I have respect for those who choose to serve this nation via the military, I believe that all citizens are not only allowed but required to question both the motivation and necessity of every war. And while I do not claim that my sacrifice has been anywhere near as great as those who have served, to claim that there has not been an impact on my life is not valid.

My country is further in debt, a debt which I will be responsible for helping to pay. My country is not looked upon kindly in many foreign countries, and that reputation is one that I have to deal with. That fact does not only matter when I travel - we are potentially spreading enough ill will to ensure that the next generation of those who would do harm to this country are well cared for by generous donors.

So yes, I was dragged into these wars, as was every citizen of this country who did not volunteer or did not give a direct order to those who had to serve.

Note: I am not arguing the right or the wrong of the wars in this post.

[Gan]

You were oppressing us! ZOMG we will now give up hope!

You must have the audacity of hope. Especially after yesterday!

[Stanley Burrell]

Agreed. Most of the American people forget this part about our new President. He is half white and half black.

How about giving some credit back to his white mother that put so much time and effort into our new "black" President. Lets not forget who he came from.

Yeah. I'm pretty upset how every single white president I can remember; after having been inaugurated, didn't get up to the podium and start talking about how pasty white pride made them into the rightfully ruling human being of the Free World that they were.

No one doubts the fact that he's half black or Muslim. The thing is that if you take away all the clothing, money and fame; nigga ain't catchin' no cab. And watch his Arabic brethren oddly betray him, too :wow:

Don't confuse preconceived notions of our country's standards as following a common sense principle. Or do. I'll be amused either way.

[AnticorRifling]

You must have the audacity of hope. Especially after yesterday!

I'm far too scared to hope, I'll have to let my dreams be crushed by the evil black man until the next election, then, and only if my canidate wins, will I be strong enough to be proud of my country.

[AnticorRifling]

While I have respect for those who choose to serve this nation via the military, I believe that all citizens are not only allowed but required to question both the motivation and necessity of every war. And while I do not claim that my sacrifice has been anywhere near as great as those who have served, to claim that there has not been an impact on my life is not valid.

My country is further in debt, a debt which I will be responsible for helping to pay. My country is not looked upon kindly in many foreign countries, and that reputation is one that I have to deal with. That fact does not only matter when I travel - we are potentially spreading enough ill will to ensure that the next generation of those who would do harm to this country are well cared for by generous donors.

So yes, I was dragged into these wars, as was every citizen of this country who did not volunteer or did not give a direct order to those who had to serve.

Note: I am not arguing the right or the wrong of the wars in this post.
I vote for Starship Troopers you can't be a citizen until you serve :)

[Gan]

The thing is that if you take away all the clothing, money and fame; nigga ain't catchin' no cab.
Hailing a cap naked only works for women. Color is not even on the list for consideration.

[Jorddyn]

I vote for Starship Troopers you can't be a citizen until you serve

Sorry, my friend :) I'm a citizen, too.

[Bokertal]

I vote for Starship Troopers you can't be a citizen until you serve :)

^ Two years and a rifle in every house. ;)

[AnticorRifling]

Sorry, my friend :) I'm a citizen, too.
Sorry indeed. ;)

[Jorddyn]

Do keep in mind, though, that if you can't be a citizen until you serve that your children will have a long 18 years of not being protected by the rights given them by the Constitution.

[Stanley Burrell]

Hailing a cap naked only works for women. Color is not even on the list for consideration.

What if I wear pigtails...

[AnticorRifling]

Do keep in mind, though, that if you can't be a citizen until you serve that your children will have a long 18 years of not being protected by the rights given them by the Constitution. I'm ok with that remember I'm a republican we don't care about kids until they are draft age :)

[Jorddyn]

I'm ok with that remember I'm a republican we don't care about kids until they are draft age


And people say I can't agree with republicans about anything!

[Stanley Burrell]

I'm ok with that remember I'm a republican we don't care about kids until they are draft age :)

What about that one guy who joined the Texas Air National Guard because 'Nam seemed a bit too real?

He kind of acted like a child for the past 8 years.

[AnticorRifling]

What about that one guy who joined the Texas Air National Guard because 'Nam seemed a bit too real?

He kind of acted like a child for the past 8 years.

Service is service, we can't all be on the varsity team Stan. I have more respect for someone in the air nation guard than someone going to college or Canada to avoid a war.

[Gan]

What if I wear pigtails...

I think that would clear the block. On both sides of the street.

[Jorddyn]

Service is service, we can't all be on the varsity team Stan. I have more respect for someone in the air nation guard than someone going to college or Canada to avoid a war.

Do you really think we're better off sending Einstein to the battlefield than the classroom? (Of course, given the mentality of most college aged people....)

[Stanley Burrell]

Service is service, we can't all be on the varsity team Stan. I have more respect for someone in the air nation guard than someone going to college or Canada to avoid a war.

Honestly, it's just a job like any other. Maybe when my daddy's the head of the CIA I'll get to have more respect than the other C- students at Yale.

[LadyKiora]

Two year service upon graduation from High scool, that would clear up the children without parents issue. Would also knock some sense into the kids.

[AnticorRifling]

Do you really think we're better off sending Einstein to the battlefield than the classroom? (Of course, given the mentality of most college aged people....)
If he was 18 and had the option of going to college, canada, or military service, I would have more respect for the choice of military service. But that's me and my opinion, it doesn't have to be agreed upon because it's not fact (regardless of how many times I tell people that my opinion is fact).

[Stanley Burrell]

Do you really think we're better off sending Einstein to the battlefield than the classroom? (Of course, given the mentality of most college aged people....)

Einstein didn't manage to go to Yale. Where are his credentials? CV? Merit badges? HELLOOOO??!!

I mean, look at this idiot, "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

He didn't even have the soothsaying to know what weapons World War III would be fought with... and we call him intelligent, or deserving?! Tut-tut.

[Jorddyn]

If he was 18 and had the option of going to college, canada, or military service, I would have more respect for the choice of military service.

Interesting.

[LadyKiora]

Einstein didn't manage to go to Yale. Where are his credentials? CV? Merit badges? HELLOOOO??!!

I mean, look at this idiot, "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

He didn't even have the soothsaying to know what weapons World War III would be fought with... and we call him intelligent, or deserving?! Tut-tut.

Please tell me that was sarcasim :club:

[Necromancer]

You members of the PC Insane Republican Clown Posse (TM) get weirder and weirder with every post.

[Stanley Burrell]

If he was 18 and had the option of going to college, canada, or military service, I would have more respect for the choice of military service. But that's me and my opinion, it doesn't have to be agreed upon because it's not fact (regardless of how many times I tell people that my opinion is fact).

I think risking his life to contact Roosevelt on Nazi Germany's uranium enrichment in order to make certain that you, I and even Parkbandit are alive and communicating on an Internet forum is a pretty good; albeit sub-par performance of being drafted into the U.S. Army, vs. concentration camp, of respectable efforts.

[Jorddyn]

Please tell me that was sarcasim

That was Stan-ism

[LadyKiora]

You members of the PC Insane Republican Clown Posse (TM) get weirder and weirder with every post.

I'm glad I am not in that crew, since I am neither Republican, nor Democrat.

[BriarFox]

Mandatory community/social service upon HS graduation is a great idea. Mandatory military service, like Israel, is a terrible idea (if anyone brought that up - Stanley's posts keep distracting me). I wish I'd taken a couple of years off before going to grad school, with one of those great excuses like, "The govt said I had to."

[AnticorRifling]

I think risking his life to contact Roosevelt on Nazi Germany's uranium enrichment in order to make certain that you, I and even Parkbandit are alive and communicating on an Internet forum is a pretty good; albeit sub-par performance of being drafted into the U.S. Army, vs. concentration camp, of respectable efforts.
Of course. But we were pulling someone that wasn't in the country, wasn't 18 at the time, etc. etc.

Next we're going to find out if I had more respect for Jesus if he had joined the Roman legions instead of being a carpenter.

[Stanley Burrell]

Please tell me that was sarcasim :club:

My sarcasim has a patent. Please read the below.


That was Stan-ism(™)

[AnticorRifling]

Mandatory community/social service upon HS graduation is a great idea. Mandatory military service, like Israel, is a terrible idea (if anyone brought that up - Stanley's posts keep distracting me). I wish I'd taken a couple of years off before going to grad school, with one of those great excuses like, "The govt said I had to."
I would agree with parts of that. I think mandatory social/military service would be great. Not everyone is right for the military I accept that but I still think everyone has the ability to serve this country in some form or fashion and they should.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Mandatory community/social service upon HS graduation is a great idea. Mandatory military service, like Israel, is a terrible idea (if anyone brought that up - Stanley's posts keep distracting me). I wish I'd taken a couple of years off before going to grad school, with one of those great excuses like, "The govt said I had to."

I can get behind mandatory social service, but I also agree it shouldn't be mandatory military and that's all you can do.

Honestly, I don't think everyone is cut out to be in the military, and I think there are some people who have talents and abilities that can be put to better use in other social/civil services besides the military. I definitely don't have a problem with people being required to contribute in some concrete way to this country if they are able to.

[Stanley Burrell]

Of course. But we were pulling someone that wasn't in the country, wasn't 18 at the time, etc. etc.

Next we're going to find out if I had more respect for Jesus if he had joined the Roman legions instead of being a carpenter.

I'd say whatever slave out of 10,000 nailed to a cross decided to have fictional doctrine published about his existence -- That it would bare a lot less contemporary notions on the merits of how the United States' armed forces and all out bravery has manifested itself globally during the times of Nazi Germany-to present.

[TheWitch]

Mandatory community/social service upon HS graduation is a great idea. Mandatory military service, like Israel, is a terrible idea (if anyone brought that up - Stanley's posts keep distracting me). I wish I'd taken a couple of years off before going to grad school, with one of those great excuses like, "The govt said I had to."

You do realize that this is what many of the coutries we have fought wars against for their oppressive behavior and crimes against humanity are all about right?

You really want to get on that slippery slope? First it's two years, then it's three. First its community service, then it's mandatory military, then where does it lead?

Are we really....really ready to give up that much of the freedom of choice for our childrens destinies? So they get free/cheap college? No, thanks, I'll get three more jobs and pay for it.

[AnticorRifling]

I can get behind mandatory social service, but I also agree it shouldn't be mandatory military and that's all you can do.

Honestly, I don't think everyone is cut out to be in the military, and I think there are some people who have talents and abilities that can be put to better use in other social/civil services besides the military. I definitely don't have a problem with people being required to contribute in some concrete way to this country if they are able to.

Quit trying to be me. (reference post 140)

[Jorddyn]

I would agree with parts of that. I think mandatory social/military service would be great. Not everyone is right for the military I accept that but I still think everyone has the ability to serve this country in some form or fashion and they should.

3% higher taxes on incomes > 250k = bad
-2 years of your life = okie dokie?

[AnticorRifling]

You do realize that this is what many of the coutries we have fought wars against for their oppressive behavior and crimes against humanity are all about right?

You really want to get on that slippery slope? First it's two years, then it's three. First its community service, then it's mandatory military, then where does it lead?

Are we really....really ready to give up that much of the freedom of choice for our childrens destinies? So they get free/cheap college? No, thanks, I'll get three more jobs and pay for it.
Get as many jobs as you can to ensure someone else shed sweat and blood for your right to do so. That's the spirit!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Quit trying to be me. (reference post 140)

If I sprout a wang overnight, you'll be the first to know.

:heart:

[Necromancer]

I'm all for mandatory social service with any government agency, registered NGO, or appropriately sponsored work (by an employer, for example).

This country actually has a strong history of involvement in many ways, but I'd like to see us expand upon that.

A lot of people would probably find ways out of it, of course, but a lot of people would get an experience they might otherwise never get. I know that for me, the feeling of political/social involvement in high school had a huge impact on my world view. I wish more young adults had that experience. And it might really do some good in areas that are in dire need.

[BriarFox]

You do realize that this is what many of the coutries we have fought wars against for their oppressive behavior and crimes against humanity are all about right?

You really want to get on that slippery slope? First it's two years, then it's three. First its community service, then it's mandatory military, then where does it lead?

Are we really....really ready to give up that much of the freedom of choice for our childrens destinies? So they get free/cheap college? No, thanks, I'll get three more jobs and pay for it.

Ignoring the fact that I have no idea from where you're drawing some of those correlations, the potential for abuse is never a good reason not to do something, particularly when the benefits far outweigh that slim possibility.

[AnticorRifling]

3% higher taxes on incomes > 250k = bad
-2 years of your life = okie dokie?
I gave 4 and was ready to give another 26 before I got hurt.

Like I said not everyone is right for military service and I don't think it's possible to properly explain why service is so important to me or why I believe in it so much. Just know that when I was denied the ability to continue my service I cried like a bitch.

[AnticorRifling]

If I sprout a wang overnight, you'll be the first to know.

:heart:

Pics or it didn't happen...wait no!

[LadyKiora]

If I sprout a wang overnight, you'll be the first to know.

:heart:

If you do that, we will all resemble your sig.

[AnticorRifling]

I'm all for mandatory social service with any government agency, registered NGO, or appropriately sponsored work (by an employer, for example).

This country actually has a strong history of involvement in many ways, but I'd like to see us expand upon that.

A lot of people would probably find ways out of it, of course, but a lot of people would get an experience they might otherwise never get. I know that for me, the feeling of political/social involvement in high school had a huge impact on my world view. I wish more young adults had that experience. And it might really do some good in areas that are in dire need.
They'd probably throw up the gay flag to get out of dirty jobs amirite?! :)

[Gan]

You members of the PC Insane Republican Clown Posse (TM) get weirder and weirder with every post.

Since nobody understands you.

What group do you belong to?

[Necromancer]

Whatever dude, the lesbians would be tripping over their own heels to grab their tool boxes and get down and dirty.

[Jorddyn]

Like I said not everyone is right for military service and I don't think it's possible to properly explain why service is so important to me or why I believe in it so much. Just know that when I was denied the ability to continue my service I cried like a bitch.

I think it's fantastic that it's so important to you, and I do believe that service to one's country is a good thing. But surely you can understand why I feel that's a much larger affront to liberty than taking an extra couple points of tax.

[Gan]

Since nobody understands you.

What group do you belong to?


Whatever dude, the lesbians would be tripping over their own heels to grab their tool boxes and get down and dirty.

Found a group for you!

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p147/the_legendary_shark/b3ta%20Images/Gay_Army.jpg

Even found your MOS:

http://images7.cafepress.com/product/63304967v12_350x350_Front.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

They'd probably throw up the gay flag to get out of dirty jobs amirite?! :)

That or someone high enough in the ranks really, really, really loves gayz0rz so much that they're giving them free passes from most forms of active duty. There's a 6-star General Richard Simmons looking out for the well-being of any-and-all gay folk being placed on the battlefield.

I guess it's nice to know someone's looking out for them, somewhere up there in the ranks; but they should be held to the same standard as non-homos when starting a military career.

[Necromancer]

Wow, you and the maker of that picture need a life stat.

[BriarFox]

Hey, all the forces except the Marines need a style update anyway. Bring on the gays.

[Necromancer]

That or someone high enough in the ranks really, really, really loves gayz0rz so much that they're giving them free passes from most forms of active duty. There's a 6-star General Richard Simmons looking out for the well-being of any-and-all gay folk being placed on the battlefield.

I guess it's nice to know someone's looking out for them, somewhere up there in the ranks; but they should be held to the same standard as non-homos when starting a military career.

I can't begin to describe how little sense that made. But suddenly your whole political outlook makes sense.

[Stanley Burrell]

I can't begin to describe how little sense that made. But suddenly your whole political outlook makes sense.

Basically, I was making a jokey-joke about the fact that gays have been, shall we say, not-so-nicely let go from active duty: And that there is a flaming homo high-ranking official keeping an eye out for his gay brethren and making sure they don't come in harm's way on the battlefield by not forcing them into possibly dangerous situations that occur when one enlists.

You also have ADHD if you can't get my twisted sense of half-sarcasm interspersed by off-topic nonsequitur randomness by now. What's the matter with you?

[Necromancer]

You're like MadTV but for video game geeks.

[Stanley Burrell]

That's about the most accurate thing anyone's ever said about me.

[Glatt]

Having served active for 10 years, being involved in Two wars, and three military actions. Including Desert storm, operation liberty, and Simalia.

I would not want anyone in my military unit that HAD to be there. You either believe in the service your giving, or you are not going to be a valuable part of your team. We are not talking about a Boy Scout troop, where not giving your all means you might not get the next fansy badge. We are talking about a situation where you are either on your Game, giving everything you though you never had or the Men and Woman counting on you might not COME HOME.

Gays in the military. I do not see where Race, Religion, Sexual preferance, or any other label other than American, and dedicated to service should matter at all. If you believe in serving your country. Then welcome to the United States of America Armed Forces.

[Gan]

This will help with Stanglish.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/gallery/images/1024/babel1.jpg

[TheWitch]

I think you misunderstand my point, Anticor.

The option of military service in exchange for college education has existed for a very long time. I considered ROTC myself, except it wasn't a strongly encouraged option for women then.

Expanding that to optional community/social service for those who aren't cut out for the military/flat footed/legally blind/gay, whathaveyou, to earn an educational pass/discount is a good thing.

Mandatory is my problem.

Choice is good. Because what does this do to the kid who busted his ass all through high school, volunteering, getting good grades, that earns a scholarship? Put that mandatory on there, you close more doors than you open.

[Daniel]

I think you misunderstand my point, Anticor.

The option of military service in exchange for college education has existed for a very long time. I considered ROTC myself, except it wasn't a strongly encouraged option for women then.

Expanding that to optional community/social service for those who aren't cut out for the military/flat footed/legally blind/gay, whathaveyou, to earn an educational pass/discount is a good thing.

Mandatory is my problem.

Choice is good. Because what does this do to the kid who busted his ass all through high school, volunteering, getting good grades, that earns a scholarship? Put that mandatory on there, you close more doors than you open.


Since when does serving your country close doors?

If I've somehow missed that memo than we've fallen more as a country than I thought.

[Daniel]

You do realize that this is what many of the coutries we have fought wars against for their oppressive behavior and crimes against humanity are all about right?

You really want to get on that slippery slope? First it's two years, then it's three. First its community service, then it's mandatory military, then where does it lead?

Are we really....really ready to give up that much of the freedom of choice for our childrens destinies? So they get free/cheap college? No, thanks, I'll get three more jobs and pay for it.


You're on a roll today.

So you honestly think this country was on the slippery slope of totalitarianism when it had a mandatory draft in all wars up through Vietnam?

How fucking stupid are you?

[Miscast]

You members of the PC Insane Republican Clown Posse (TM) get weirder and weirder with every post.
What a fucktard thing to say. The (TM) is an especially nice touch to warn everyone against stealing this failed attempt at humor.

[Paradii]

That's about the most accurate thing anyone's ever said about me.

He just called you not funny and a virgin.

[Stanley Burrell]

He just called you not funny and a virgin.

Yeah. He does have me beat on the willing participants of buttsex crowd.

And I guess I haven't had sex long enough that I can start telling chicks that I'm a virgin again so I don't have to eat pussy or work extra hard.

You make a damn good point.

[Daniel]

And I guess I haven't had sex long enough that I can start telling chicks that I'm a virgin again so I don't have to eat pussy or work extra hard.




Rofl

[Paradii]

Yeah. He does have me beat on the willing participants of buttsex crowd.

And I guess I haven't had sex long enough that I can start telling chicks that I'm a virgin again so I don't have to eat pussy or work extra hard.

You make a damn good point.

Hrmm, not the point I was making, but I believe you just made a great point. I am also going to follow my logic and be a virgin.

[AnticorRifling]

I think you misunderstand my point, Anticor.

The option of military service in exchange for college education has existed for a very long time. I considered ROTC myself, except it wasn't a strongly encouraged option for women then.

Expanding that to optional community/social service for those who aren't cut out for the military/flat footed/legally blind/gay, whathaveyou, to earn an educational pass/discount is a good thing.

Mandatory is my problem.

Choice is good. Because what does this do to the kid who busted his ass all through high school, volunteering, getting good grades, that earns a scholarship? Put that mandatory on there, you close more doors than you open.

There is a point being missed that is for sure.

I'm not talking about serving in exchange for a discount for college or whatever. And I as I recall I did well in high school, volunteered, got good grades, earned scholarships and went to the military and I haven't seen too many doors that were closed because of it.

I

[Sean of the Thread]

OMG BECUZ YUR NOT BLACK OR A WOMON!

[Some Rogue]

OMG BECUZ YUR NOT BLACK OR A WOMON!

I'm pretty sure Anticor is a woman.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And I guess I haven't had sex long enough that I can start telling chicks that I'm a virgin again so I don't have to eat pussy or work extra hard.

:rofl:

[AnticorRifling]

I'm pretty sure Anticor is a woman.
Which is why Some Rogue never hits on me.

[Some Rogue]

Which is why Some Rogue never hits on me.

Nah, I'm just not into chicks that look like they play for the Colts.

[Jorddyn]

Crap, there go my chances.

[Some Rogue]

LOL, but you don't have a beard!
(I hope)

[Daniel]

hahahahaha @ Southpark on the election speechs right now.

[Jorddyn]

LOL, but you don't have a beard!
(I hope)

Well, definitely not an obvious one, but it takes some maintenance to stay that way :)

[LadyKiora]

Yeah. He does have me beat on the willing participants of buttsex crowd.

And I guess I haven't had sex long enough that I can start telling chicks that I'm a virgin again so I don't have to eat pussy or work extra hard.

You make a damn good point.

What's wrong with eating pussy? I absolutely love it.

[Gan]

What's wrong with eating pussy? I absolutely love it.

/win

[Sean of the Thread]

It wasn't inevitable at all. It wasn't even on the national agenda, and it was being dealt with by the international community. The man stood up in front of us and gave us evidence already disproven by the UN- swore to us that he had found WMDs. And it turned out, there was nothing.



The WMD's were mostly used up on his own people I guess.. /shrug and then the rest shipped off to syria to be hidden after the war started. If the guy can carry 300 million in CASH around with him while hiding he sure has hell could of had any amount of WMD moved anywhere the fuck he wanted to.

Seriously go back to officials or did they get rid of the don't ask don't tell policy there?

[Sean of the Thread]

What's wrong with eating pussy? I absolutely love it.

Well... to be fair... I can think of a few things that CAN be wrong with it.

[Parkbandit]

Seriously go back to officials or did they get rid of the don't ask don't tell policy there?


:rofl:

[Methais]

What's wrong with eating pussy? I absolutely love it.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Tsa`ah]

The WMD's were mostly used up on his own people I guess.. /shrug and then the rest shipped off to syria to be hidden after the war started. If the guy can carry 300 million in CASH around with him while hiding he sure has hell could of had any amount of WMD moved anywhere the fuck he wanted to.

750k in 100 dollar bills.

And yes, he used a large portion of his stock on the Kurds while we were backing him. After the first gulf war, that shit was destroyed under supervision.

As far as him shipping it off ... bullshit. We never stopped bombing Iraq after the first war. How in the fuck was he going to get that sort of thing out when we were watching every inch of Iraqi border? How in the fuck could he get it out when UN and international relief efforts had enormous trouble getting anything in under our watch?

Did he do it under the oil for food program? Was it in the crude shipments that were so heavily inspected?

[Miscast]

750k in 100 dollar bills.

And yes, he used a large portion of his stock on the Kurds while we were backing him. After the first gulf war, that shit was destroyed under supervision.

As far as him shipping it off ... bullshit. We never stopped bombing Iraq after the first war. How in the fuck was he going to get that sort of thing out when we were watching every inch of Iraqi border? How in the fuck could he get it out when UN and international relief efforts had enormous trouble getting anything in under our watch?

Did he do it under the oil for food program? Was it in the crude shipments that were so heavily inspected?
umm...i'm no historian but pretty sure there was a shitload of oil exports that got around the sanctions

[Tsa`ah]

"Oil for food" .... those exports are what you have in mind.

[Tolwynn]

Realistically, there would have been little point to trying to smuggle chemical or biological weaponry out. They're laughably easy to manufacture (a few weeks to get things rolling on large scale with chemical weaponry, a bit longer for biological weaponry, with technology no more complicated than a brewery required) and relatively easy to destroy.

Not to say they had any one way or another, but it would have been easy enough to destroy an existing stockpile even with the UN's inspectors stumbling about.

[g++]

Realistically, there would have been little point to trying to smuggle chemical or biological weaponry out. They're laughably easy to manufacture (a few weeks to get things rolling on large scale with chemical weaponry, a bit longer for biological weaponry, with technology no more complicated than a brewery required) and relatively easy to destroy.

Not to say they had any one way or another, but it would have been easy enough to destroy an existing stockpile even with the UN's inspectors stumbling about.


While thats somewhat true, developing a system for delivery and getting deadly bacteria weaponized is far from easy. While alot of people like saying it would be easy to make anthrax or botulisms in a 50 gallon drum in a trailer and thats technically true, unless you beat someone half to death and inject them with it they are not going to get sick. The complicated part is getting it into a form where the germ is easily caught.

[Athgo]

While thats somewhat true, developing a system for delivery and getting deadly bacteria weaponized is far from easy. While alot of people like saying it would be easy to make anthrax or botulisms in a 50 gallon drum in a trailer and thats technically true, unless you beat someone half to death and inject them with it they are not going to get sick. The complicated part is getting it into a form where the germ is easily caught.

Anthrax spores are airborne, and its pretty easy to get infected after inhaling spores.

[Tolwynn]

That's why chemical weaponry is far more preferable, in general. Quicker and easier to manufacture, easier to weaponize, and most importantly, they're far more predictable in effect. Easier to stockpile, too.

[g++]

Anthrax spores are airborne, and its pretty easy to get infected after inhaling spores.

While thats true, infection from inhalation in healthy adults is rare unless you have the strain the soviets or the Americans keep under lock and key (Ames, Vollus) if you try getting it from cows and cultivating it the spores will not be nearly as virulent and is more likely to cause a antibiotic treatable infection than death.

Most weaponized anthrax like the powder released in the US a while back is further weaponized by treatment with some form of silicate that gives it its airborn qualities. Normal anthrax spores are airborn the way a piece of paper, it floats around on the wind, weaponized anthrax joins the wind entirely.

[g++]

That's why chemical weaponry is far more preferable, in general. Quicker and easier to manufacture, easier to weaponize, and most importantly, they're far more predictable in effect. Easier to stockpile, too.

Its just a horse of a different color, remember that japanese cult that developed Sarin? They were jamming needles into there hearts every 10 minutes because no one could get it to an attack point without accidently getting infected. Those guys had millions of dollars and compounds in 3 different countries working on chemical weapons and all they managed to do was give a couple judges a headache and kill like 20 people on a train. They would have been better off just buying hand guns.

[CrystalTears]

Y'all are a bunch of terrorists. :(

[Tsa`ah]

While thats true, infection from inhalation in healthy adults is rare unless you have the strain the soviets or the Americans keep under lock and key (Ames, Vollus) if you try getting it from cows and cultivating it the spores will not be nearly as virulent and is more likely to cause a antibiotic treatable infection than death.

Tell that to Fernando Gomez ... oh wait ... he's dead.

[g++]

Tell that to Fernando Gomez ... oh wait ... he's dead.

Yah from handling animal skins, were talking about using it as a weapon the guy had the anthrax spores in his frigging hands, so when is the rest of London dropping dead? Oh right they arent because anthrax isnt actually the extremely dangerous thing its made out to be unless people sit down and work to weaponize it.

[Tolwynn]

Fair enough, but there is a bit of a difference in scale between a cult and and the government and military of an oil-producing country. And yes, handguns or conventional explosives would have served the cult far better.

[Methais]

The reason why no WMDs were found was because they weren't tangible items.

They were this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM

[Tsa`ah]

Yah from handling animal skins, were talking about using it as a weapon the guy had the anthrax spores in his frigging hands, so when is the rest of London dropping dead? Oh right they arent because anthrax isnt actually the extremely dangerous thing its made out to be unless people sit down and work to weaponize it.

No, no ... just no.

The hides (areas unexposed) created the right medium for the spores to propagate. Natural anthrax, like weaponized anthrax, is an airborne infection. Weaponized just indicates a consistency in lethality.

The guy could have been infected and only went through what could have been mistaken as a cold and been fine and no one the wiser. Natural anthrax isn't predictable ... to say it's not as lethal is pretty far fetched.

[g++]

No, no ... just no.

The hides (areas unexposed) created the right medium for the spores to propagate. Natural anthrax, like weaponized anthrax, is an airborne infection. Weaponized just indicates a consistency in lethality.

The guy could have been infected and only went through what could have been mistaken as a cold and been fine and no one the wiser. Natural anthrax isn't predictable ... to say it's not as lethal is pretty far fetched.

I did not say it is not lethal, I said to gaurantee lethality and spread requires a lot of high tech work. It cant be done in a barn.

[Tsa`ah]

It could be done anywhere. You just need one variety known to be lethal.

But I have no idea how the discussion turned to this.

[g++]

It could be done anywhere. You just need one variety known to be lethal.

But I have no idea how the discussion turned to this.

Oh well that should be fairly easy Im sure once you sort through every bacteria on the planet you will have plenty of time left over to figure out how your going to turn the liquid sludge that comes out of the drums of bacteria you make into a powder without infecting yourself and then manage to distribute it to your victims on sheeps hides, once again without infecting yourself. All in a days work of being a terrorist in fantasy land I guess. Im not trying to say Anthrax is not a deadly bacteria I am just saying without a well set up government lab your not going to get very far in the developement of it as a biological weapon. Your way more likely to give yourself anthrax if you can even manage that.

[Tsa`ah]

::sigh::

I'd be willing to bet that if you took one of the hides from Mr Gomez (he's not using them anymore) and cultivated your own spore crop ... you'd be able to kill someone, or even a bunch of someones.

You make it sound as if some high tech lab is needed to accomplish this. It takes one nutjob with some background, the time, and the willingness to "test" on random, yet unsuspecting people.

Will one nutjob with a shack in the woods be able to do what a government entity can? No. But one nutjob that finally propagates a lethal variety will have a revolving stock with no real need for storage or preservation.

Though said nutjob will likely end up dead of infection himself ... it only takes the determination.

And we're not talking about a general bacteria ... we're talking about a spore forming bacteria ... don't alter the medium.

[g++]

::sigh::

I'd be willing to bet that if you took one of the hides from Mr Gomez (he's not using them anymore) and cultivated your own spore crop ... you'd be able to kill someone, or even a bunch of someones.

You make it sound as if some high tech lab is needed to accomplish this. It takes one nutjob with some background, the time, and the willingness to "test" on random, yet unsuspecting people.

Will one nutjob with a shack in the woods be able to do what a government entity can? No. But one nutjob that finally propagates a lethal variety will have a revolving stock with no real need for storage or preservation.

Though said nutjob will likely end up dead of infection himself ... it only takes the determination.

The discussion started on the basis of whether it was worth while to smuggle biological and chemical weapons with the assertion that they are so easy to make there would be no point smuggling them because you could just remake them elsewhere. I stated its not nearly as easy as people make it out to be to make weaponized chemical and biological weapons. If your willing to kill yourself(and you will) in the process of making anthrax sludge, and then somehow pouring the sludge on some one to give them anthrax...I suppose you could conceviably be using a "Biological weapon" but once again I am going to go out on a limb and say a handgun purchase would probarbly be far more conducive to your goals. As far as using them as a realistic weapon it takes a high tech lab and a team of experts to get a deployable non-suicidal version of either type of weapon manufactured. Thats all im saying.

[Tsa`ah]

Ok ... try this.

Theodore Kaczynski with a degree in microbiology instead of mathematics.

[g++]

Ok ... try this.

Theodore Kaczynski with a degree in microbiology instead of mathematics.

I have a degree in microbiology, If I get disgruntled enough Im going to a gun store.

[Tsa`ah]

:banghead:

[g++]

:banghead:

I think we basically agree, your saying one lone nut could make anthrax and infect a couple people. Fine I never said thats not possible. Im saying thats pointless on the world scale and to make real biological weapons you need a really good lab.

[crb]

I loved my country before, I love it still. Patriotism does not hinge on who is in office, nor the color of his skin.

[Necromancer]

I loved my country before, I love it still. Patriotism does not hinge on who is in office, nor the color of his skin.

That would be closer to nationalism actually- when you love your country no matter what it does or what's going on.

Patriotism is when you believe in the potential of your country no matter what it does or what's going on.

It's an important distinction.

[g++]

Patriotism : devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national Loyalty.

Nationalism :

1. national spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.

Its an important distinction between using a dictionary and just making shit up.

[Necromancer]

Thank you for pulling out Webster's Hakwea, that really made a great point.

[Parkbandit]

That would be closer to nationalism actually- when you love your country no matter what it does or what's going on.

Patriotism is when you believe in the potential of your country no matter what it does or what's going on.

It's an important distinction.

I'm glad you are finally proud to be an American.. although with this level of stupidity, I think we finally know why this country is 22nd on the IQ by country list. Thanks for single handedly bringing down the collective US IQ by 10 points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

[g++]

Thank you for pulling out Webster's Hakwea, that really made a great point.

You cant just make up the definition of patriotism because you want to call CRB a nationalist.

Dictionary
Patriotism : devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national Loyalty.

You: Patriotism is when you believe in the potential of your country no matter what it does or what's going on.

[Necromancer]

Go-Go Gadget Republican Attack! You people are the internet equivalent of the bumbling lynch mob. "I smell liberal, RUN AND INSULT!"

[Necromancer]

Hate to break it to you kid, but one: nothing I said was inconsistent with those terms, and two: those terms are defined by political theorists and social theorists in many different ways.

In boiling it down to DICTIONARY.COM, you effaced the entire meaning of the post. Which, of course, is a fairly standard response from you and the Insane Republican Clown Posse.

[CrystalTears]

Nationalism is more about wanting your nation to go in a particular direction, while patriotism is having devotion towards your country regardless of its actions.

[g++]

Hate to break it to you kid, but one: nothing I said was inconsistent with those terms, and two: those terms are defined by political theorists and social theorists in many different ways.

In boiling it down to DICTIONARY.COM, you effaced the entire meaning of the post. Which, of course, is a fairly standard response from you and the Insane Republican Clown Posse.


Your the one that just said its an important distinction between the two words and went on to say you knew the difference. What better way to learn more about the important distinction between two words than look them both up? How is CRB's statement inconsistent with the definition of patriotism? It isnt.

I am registered republican and vote both sides, but I usually get along with liberals on the boards, your just a special kind of asshole.

[Parkbandit]

Go-Go Gadget Republican Attack! You people are the internet equivalent of the bumbling lynch mob. "I smell liberal, RUN AND INSULT!"


:rofl:

You think you were somehow attacked because you are a liberal and not because you just really, really stupid. That's precious. I bet when you tell your Mommy about this, she will say "Hunny, they are just jealous of you! Here, have a cookie."

Thanks for the laugh Queerthose...

PS - Don't tell Mommy, but I am certain I can quote other liberals on this message board also "attacking" you. Do you believe they are "attacking" you because maybe you are too liberal... or just because you are dumber than a big burlap sack of doorknobs?

[Necromancer]

Apparently I have to spell out every single thing, so here we go:

CRB's statement indicated a permanence to his feelings for his country (easier to do when the people in power look like you and ultimately serve your interests, but okay fair enough) which is an extreme form of patriotism. It means you feel first and assess after. That's dangerous, and it often leads to, and fuels, wars. (See: last 8 years)

What is far more useful to this country and to its people is a conditional support. It acknowledges that we CAN do wrong and can BE wrong. That we have every potential to be horrible, cruel, power hungry, and ultimately destructive. Only a conditional support allows for the ability to both recognize and remedy those things.

Better?

And whom you get along with or don't get along with doesn't determine anything but your own preferences. I group you as another of the PCs conservative assholes too. But that's life.

[Ignot]

God forbid people get attacked on these boards. That like, never happens.

[g++]

CRB's statement indicated a permanence to his feelings for his country which is an extreme form of patriotism. It means you feel first and assess after. That's dangerous, and it often leads to, and fuels, wars. (See: last 8 years)


I loved my country before, I love it still. Patriotism does not hinge on who is in office, nor the color of his skin.

Yah he loves his country, lock that radical up. Your just fucking wrong.



And whom you get along with or don't get along with doesn't determine anything but your own preferences. I group you as another of the PCs conservative assholes too. But that's life.

Whatev's buddy

[Necromancer]

Just calling a spade a spade. Hey I insult and call names too, but a few people on these boards (PB being among them) make it a goal to chase down threads and start throwing out insults- particularly in political threads. But this isn't new information. Everyone knows that in any given political thread, PB will make his way there and start insulting. It's as predictable as CRB showing up and making some wholly illogical argument stemming from some conservative internet source and then calling everyone who doesn't agree with him stupid (also one of PBs favorites). Or Clyde starting some insane rightist "Christ is on his way guys, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT!" thread.

It's just the cast of characters on PC

[Necromancer]

jesus christ dude, please learn to use "you're" correctly. I'm dyslexic, and even I can do it.

[g++]

jesus christ dude, please learn to use "you're" correctly. I'm dyslexic, and even I can do it.

You're a cocksucker.

[Parkbandit]

Just calling a spade a spade. Hey I insult and call names too, but a few people on these boards (PB being among them) make it a goal to chase down threads and start throwing out insults- particularly in political threads. But this isn't new information. Everyone knows that in any given political thread, PB will make his way there and start insulting. It's as predictable as CRB showing up and making some wholly illogical argument stemming from some conservative internet source and then calling everyone who doesn't agree with him stupid (also one of PBs favorites). Or Clyde starting some insane rightist "Christ is on his way guys, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT!" thread.

It's just the cast of characters on PC


Or Necromancer trying to be intelligent at posting and failing miserably at it.. thus being called out by everyone... and Necromancer claiming it's those mean conservatives that are attacking him!

All in all, I'm glad you are here. Ever since Ashliana was outted for being a guy and then for using another account to agree with Itself.. it's been rather bland. Your stupidity is pretty rare and I for one welcome you to the PC with open arms.

[Warriorbird]

You're a cocksucker.

That somehow seems to lack a certain zest when directed at a gay guy.

[Gan]

That somehow seems to lack a certain zest when directed at a gay guy.

QFT

[Nieninque]

Call him a muff diver instead. That'll sting.

[4a6c1]

Bump.

Mucking through old threads because I am bored at work.

I would like to hear an updated opinion from Necromancer on Dont Ask Dont Tell.

:-X