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TheRoseLady
10-13-2008, 08:01 PM
Let's talk about McCain a bit...
Chicago Tribune

Steve Chapman May 4, 2008

Can a presidential candidate justify a long and friendly relationship with someone who, back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology -- and who has never shown remorse or admitted error? When the candidate in question is Barack Obama, John McCain says no. But when the candidate in question is John McCain, he's not so sure.

Obama has been justly criticized for his ties to former Weather Underground member Bill Ayers, who in 1995 hosted a campaign event for Obama and in 2001 gave him a $200 contribution. The two have also served together on the board of a foundation. When their connection became known, McCain minced no words: "I think not only a repudiation but an apology for ever having anything to do with an unrepentant terrorist is due the American people."What McCain didn't mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers -- in the form of G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk-show host, Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn't disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history -- and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war."

All this may sound like ancient history. But it's from the same era as the bombings Ayers helped carry out as a member of the Weather Underground. And Liddy's penchant for extreme solutions has not abated.

In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, he gave some advice to his listeners: "Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. ... Kill the sons of bitches."

He later backed off, saying he meant merely that people should defend themselves if federal agents came with guns blazing. But his amended guidance was not exactly conciliatory: Liddy also said he should have recommended shots to the groin instead of the head. If that wasn't enough to inflame any nut cases, he mentioned labeling targets "Bill" and "Hillary" when he practiced shooting.

Given Liddy's record, it's hard to see why McCain would touch him with a 10-foot pole. On the contrary, he should be returning his donations and shunning his show. Yet the senator shows no qualms about associating with Liddy -- or celebrating his service to their common cause.

How does McCain explain his howling hypocrisy on the subject? He doesn't. I made repeated inquiries to his campaign aides, which they refused to acknowledge, much less answer. On this topic, the pilot of the Straight Talk Express would rather stay parked in the garage.

That's an odd policy for someone who is so forthright about his rival's responsibility. McCain thinks Obama should apologize for associating with a criminal extremist. To which Obama might reply: After you.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6238795.column

Khariz
10-13-2008, 08:03 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Right. Watergate = Terrorism?

I didn't realize that the people who participated in Watergate blew up buildings and wished they had done more than they did!

Brilliant!

Warriorbird
10-13-2008, 08:14 PM
McCain has and has had far more troubling associations.

Khariz
10-13-2008, 08:15 PM
Yeah, let's talk about Keating or something...Liddy? LOL.

Daniel
10-13-2008, 08:23 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Right. Watergate = Terrorism?

I didn't realize that the people who participated in Watergate blew up buildings and wished they had done more than they did!

Brilliant!

Because trying to undermine the institutional democracy that this country is based on is something trivial? Get a grip.

Some Rogue
10-13-2008, 08:26 PM
Circle Jerk, form up!

TheRoseLady
10-13-2008, 08:31 PM
Yeah, let's talk about Keating or something...Liddy? LOL.


It's a little telling when we have a smorgasbord of associations that we could be discussing concerning McCain.

I just picked one. ;)

Keller
10-13-2008, 08:48 PM
Circle Jerk, form up!

Indeed.

Gan
10-13-2008, 10:13 PM
Looks like it already has formed up.

RainyDay2080
10-14-2008, 03:19 PM
This is why I said what I did in the Obama/Ayers thread. Everyone in politics (and many other circles) keeps questionable friends. It's good to point it out and investigate how it affects the individual being questioned. But then let it go for Christ sake. I don't think McCain is going to mastermind a conspiracy to subvert the Constitution like Liddy and his cronies any more than I think Obama is a secret radical who thinks domestic bombing is an okay solution. What bugs me is the hypocricy when one side points fingers at the other for the same thing they're guilty of. (Which happens on both sides.)

RD

crb
10-15-2008, 10:45 AM
Because trying to undermine the institutional democracy that this country is based on is something trivial? Get a grip.
See ACORN.

TheEschaton
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
Yes, registering people who have the right to vote is undermining American democracy!

Gan
10-16-2008, 11:28 AM
Yes, registering people multiple times who have the right to vote only once is undermining American democracy!

Fixed that

Tsa`ah
10-16-2008, 11:28 AM
Yes, registering people who have the right to vote is undermining American democracy!

Didn't you get the memo?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-16-2008, 11:37 AM
Fixed that

Because a lot of people with Donald Duck IDs are going to show up to vote illegally,

and Registration Fraud is the same thing as Voting Fraud!

CrystalTears
10-16-2008, 11:41 AM
They're both wrong though. Not sure why people want to argue which one is "not as bad" when both are a threat to the system.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-16-2008, 11:43 AM
They're both wrong though. Not sure why people want to argue which one is "not as bad" when both are a threat to the system.

Registration fraud is sickening, IMO.

I'm just sick and tired of it getting equated with voting fraud. It's not the same thing.

Gan
10-16-2008, 11:43 AM
Because a lot of people with Donald Duck IDs are going to show up to vote illegally,

and Registration Fraud is the same thing as Voting Fraud!

Because many areas do not require people to show ID to vote, the chance of someone not catching a not so obvious fictitious name are slim to none.

and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-16-2008, 11:44 AM
Because many areas do not require people to show ID to vote, the chance of someone not catching a not so obvious fictitious name are slim to none.

and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.


See above.

They are not one and the same and interchangeable.

Gan
10-16-2008, 11:45 AM
Registration fraud is sickening, IMO.

I'm just sick and tired of it getting equated with voting fraud. It's not the same thing.

One could make the same argument for child porn and child molestation.

And yet both are pursued equally vigorously. Simply because the propensity of one leading to another is quite high in both cases.

Tsa`ah
10-16-2008, 11:58 AM
They're both wrong though. Not sure why people want to argue which one is "not as bad" when both are a threat to the system.

Read

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/acorn_rallies_its_troops.php

TheE posted it two days ago.