Acorn pushes back, hugs McCain

[Kefka]

http://images.politico.com/global/mccainacorn.jpg

The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Acorn_pushes_back_hugs_McCain.html?showall

[Daniel]

Rofl.

Nice.

[Parkbandit]

It's exactly like giving $800,000 to ACORN and pushing other donations in their direction.

Big deal.. shows McCain for what he is.. a Dumbercrat.

[Gan]

I'm afraid one meeting does not a supporter make.

Great shot though.

[Solkern]

I'm afraid one meeting does not a supporter make.

Great shot though.

i concur

[Kefka]

I'm afraid one meeting does not a supporter make.

Great shot though.

Oh. How convenient.

[Drew]

Oh. How convenient.


I haven't been following this ACORN thing at all, so I take it this means that Obama only had 1 meeting or other very similar minimal involvement with them?

[Gan]

Oh. How convenient.

Tell you what. You tally up how many ACORN meetings McCain attended and I'll tally up how many New Party Socialist meetings Obama attended. Then lets compare numbers. ;)

And I dont supposed I even have to explain the difference between a fundraiser with multiple sponsors and an actual 'meeting'.

[Solkern]

I've gone to alot of events once, that doesn't mean I support them at all
showing up someplace, once, with little or no involvement, means jack shit

try again

[Keller]

I haven't been following this ACORN thing at all, so I take it this means that Obama only had 1 meeting or other very similar minimal involvement with them?

I think ACORN introduced Obama to Ayers. This is what will become, in the New World Order, the Trinity of Terror.

[Kefka]

Tell you what. You tally up how many ACORN meetings McCain attended and I'll tally up how many New Party Socialist meetings Obama attended. Then lets compare numbers. ;)

And I dont supposed I even have to explain the difference between a fundraiser with multiple sponsors and an actual 'meeting'.

I didn't know it was a contest of how many meetings one attended. Support is support. I wonder what argument you'd make if McCain only attended one Klan meeting.

[Keller]

I didn't know it was a contest of how many meetings one attended. Support is support. I wonder what argument you'd make if McCain only attended one Klan meeting.

In order for your analogy to work, the Klan would need to seriously lower it's threshold for "black" in order to have such strong ties with Obama.

[Solkern]

actually support isn't support

Supporting by showing up to one meeting
and giving someone 800k + other things, are not the same thing

try again

[Kefka]

actually support isn't support

Supporting by showing up to one meeting
and giving someone 800k + other things, are not the same thing

try again

So you're saying it's not support by comparison. Support is still support. Attending a function is showing support.

[Solkern]

So you're saying everything I've ever attended is showing support?

no, you're wrong

I've showed up to plenty of pointless and worthless shit, Just to see what they were all about, it doesn't mean I support them

try again


and McCain showing up to a CO-sponsered (key phrase CO) event by acorn, doesn't mean he supports acorn
he might support the immigration event, but not support acorn, who happes to be a sponser.
he might support the other sponser.

[Gan]

I didn't know it was a contest of how many meetings one attended. Support is support. I wonder what argument you'd make if McCain only attended one Klan meeting.
Lets go apples to apples. What would I think of McCain if he attended a fundraiser or other event co-sponsored by the KKK? I'd think he's a fucking idiot considering how extreme the KKK is - and how widely known their issues are. If he attended more than one fundraiser - then I'd say he's dirty.


actually support isn't support

Supporting by showing up to one meeting
and giving someone 800k + other things, are not the same thing

try again
/agreed

My wife's grandfather was invited and attended a meeting of the KKK back in the 40's after being invited by some fellow business men that his insurance company dealt with. He went, found out what they really were about at the meeting, and never went back. To this day I can find no fault with the man. Do I consider him complicit in the KKK's activities, mission, or violence? Of course not.

Find a better analagy.

Oh, by the way, did you know that Barack Obama was a member (not just a casual attendee) of the New Party of Chicago (one wing of the Democratic Socialists of America - or something like that).

Did you know that not only was Obama a supporter of ACORN, an instructor of ACORN, but also their lead council as an attorney? Huge difference than just attending an un-named event that ACORN was a co-sponsor of.

Like I said earlier. Nice shot.

Too bad it landed wide of the mark.

[Gan]

So you're saying it's not support by comparison. Support is still support. Attending a function is showing support.

:rofl:

[Solkern]

:rofl:

yeah, it was dumber then most of the shit I say, and that's pretty dumb

[Kefka]

So you're saying everything I've ever attended is showing support?

no, you're wrong

I've showed up to plenty of pointless and worthless shit, Just to see what they were all about, it doesn't mean I support them

try again


and McCain showing up to a CO-sponsered (key phrase CO) event by acorn, doesn't mean he supports acorn
he might support the immigration event, but not support acorn, who happes to be a sponser.
he might support the other sponser.

I see...

So how often are you the headline speaker for something you don't support?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Major Rally in Miami to Support Comprehensive Immigration Reform

Senator John McCain and many others to speak at the rally at Miami Dade College Wolfson Campus

Miami, Florida – February 20, 2006 ― Leaders from a diverse array of sectors will hold a rally in Miami on Thursday, February 23, 2006, in support of comprehensive immigration reform in an effort to keep immigration reform at the forefront of the public debate. Leaders from both political parties, immigrant communities, labor, business, and religious organizations will gather to call on Washington to enact workable reform.

The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders. Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks. A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27.

WHO: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL), Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL.), and immigrant, religious, community, business and labor leaders.

WHAT: Comprehensive Immigration Reform Rally

WHEN: Thursday, February 23, at 6:00 p.m.

WHERE: Miami Dade College – Wolfson Campus

Chapman Conference Center
Bldg 3000
300 NE 2nd Avenue

EDITOR’S NOTE: Miami Press Availability: Sen. McCain will be available for interviews starting at 4:15 p.m. on location, Feb. 23.

The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act was introduced in the Senate by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and John McCain (R-AZ) and in the House by Representatives Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Luis Gutierrez (D-IL). It addresses border security and illegal immigration while bringing the 11 million undocumented immigrants out from the shadows and onto a path to legal permanent status; setting up legal channels and realistic caps for workers and family members to enter in the future; providing for tough enforcement; and enabling more immigrants to learn English and prepare for citizenship.

The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.


http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/13/sigh-mccain-and-his-friends-atacorn/

Michelle Malkin of all people... :lol:

[Gan]

wow.

Really pinned down McCain's support of ACORN there.

Again.

:rofl:

[DeV]

The ironic thing about all this mud slinging from both sides is that it doesn't really need to stick or even be all that clumpy. It just needs to have the ability to make one question the targets character or motivations or provide your classic "gotcha" moment, no matter how watered down it may be.

[Kefka]

wow.

Really pinned down McCain's support of ACORN there.

Again.

:rofl:

The funniest part is I don't need to bring it up. Only ones talking about ACORN is the base. It has as much effect on the polls as the Ayers non-story. Zero. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of 'dems do it - terrible / reps do it - no big deal'

[Parkbandit]

I didn't know it was a contest of how many meetings one attended. Support is support. I wonder what argument you'd make if McCain only attended one Klan meeting.


Are you serious? You actually see them on par with each other?

FFS man, get some perspective.

[Stanley Burrell]

ON-TOPIC POST, LOLLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

http://www.free-slideshow.com/stock-photos/flowers_plants/acorn-leaf-oak.jpg


bah

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI

Hmm.

[Solkern]

The funniest part is I don't need to bring it up. Only ones talking about ACORN is the base. It has as much effect on the polls as the Ayers non-story. Zero. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of 'dems do it - terrible / reps do it - no big deal'

So explain to me, how "supporting" a immigration event, is supporting ACORN?

oh wait it's not, FUNDING ACORN is supporting ACORN.
all b/c they co-sponsered the event doesn't mean shit

[Solkern]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI

Hmm.

I'll take this directly from one of the comments

"Can someone post the full video, because I noticed a lot of people and organizations being recognized then it cuts to McCain.
To try to tarnish any one or any other reputable organization involved in this particular event is ridiculous. Not everyone in that meeting represented ACORN, this was a combined effort by many. If anything, this only proves that not everyone that represents ACORN are involved with all these allegations"

So this video means shit

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Just posting the youtube, not my commentary on it.

[Solkern]

Just posting the youtube, not my commentary on it.

And I understand it. but the youtube video was clearly edited, quite badly to say the least.
and failed miserbly in attempting to link McCain to ACORN

[Solkern]

damnit, I tried to give you some good rep narc, for being the shit, but I need to spread some around first :(

[Gan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9wy2MI1NI

Hmm.


Just posting the youtube, not my commentary on it.

Sad.

Very sad indeed.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Are you trying to say that my "hmm" was commentary?

:lol:

[Gan]

Are you trying to say that my "hmm" was commentary?

:lol:

No, I'm saying the fact that you actually posted the obviously edited video is sad. I believe in this case, your actions spoke louder than your hmmm.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

No, I'm saying the fact that you actually posted the obviously edited video is sad. I believe in this case, your actions spoke louder than your hmmm.

It's relevant to the discussion. Take from it what you will, even if you think it's crap.

[Daniel]

No, I'm saying the fact that you actually posted the obviously edited video is sad. I believe in this case, your actions spoke louder than your hmmm.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

<breathe>

It's like you relish having absolutely no credibility.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Gan]

It's relevant to the discussion. Take from it what you will, even if you think it's crap.

Just sayin.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Just sayin.

At least Solkern had the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of attacking me for simply putting it out there.

Just sayin.

[Gan]

At least Solkern had the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of attacking me for simply putting it out there.

Just sayin.

Yes, thats it. I am so completely intimidated by you that I would rather call you out on posting such an obvious attempt at backing up your attempts to link McCain to ACORN rather than just reiterating what Solkern has already stated the obvious about with regards to the video's obvious editing.

You hit the nail on the head there.

...

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

To keep Gan's tears to a minimum.


http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00041/a4s_vote101408_41870c.jpeg

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/article852295.ece

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Yes, thats it. I am so completely intimidated by you that I would rather call you out on posting such an obvious attempt at backing up your attempts to link McCain to ACORN rather than just reiterating what Solkern has already stated the obvious about with regards to the video's obvious editing.

You hit the nail on the head there.

...

Where did I say you were intimidated by me? And where in this thread or any other have I been attempting to link ACORN to McCain, so that this video is me backing those attempts up?

All you had to do was quote Solkern and say "Yeah that". You chose to attack me instead.

[Parkbandit]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

<breathe>

It's like you relish having absolutely no credibility.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha


http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg

[Parkbandit]

At least Solkern had the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of attacking me for simply putting it out there.

Just sayin.

At least Solkern has the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of hiding behind the "I just posted the video, I didn't comment on it"

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

At least Solkern has the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of hiding behind the "I just posted the video, I didn't comment on it"

I'm still finding more information about ACORN before I draw my conclusions.

Oh no, the horror.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And I understand it. but the youtube video was clearly edited, quite badly to say the least.
and failed miserbly in attempting to link McCain to ACORN

Just to let you know I am searching for the complete speech because I'm interested in seeing an unedited version.. if/when I find it I'll post it.

[Parkbandit]

I'm still finding more information about ACORN before I draw my conclusions.

Oh no, the horror.

You spelled whore wrong.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You spelled whore wrong.

Was that supposed to be funny?

[Parkbandit]

Was that supposed to be funny?

Not sure, was it funny?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Not sure, was it funny?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3427/1191664289385zp9.jpg

[Solkern]

Just to let you know I am searching for the complete speech because I'm interested in seeing an unedited version.. if/when I find it I'll post it.


Yeah, Let me know when you do, I'm interested in seeing the entire video myself.

Narc, never posted that she believed ACORN and McCain were linked, she simply put up a video about the so called event, based on the OP.

[Parkbandit]

Narc, never posted that she believed ACORN and McCain were linked, she simply put up a video about the so called event, based on the OP.

How convenient. I think I'm going to try that today.. post up stories that show an obvious slant and then claim "Hey, I was just posting up the link.. I didn't post my commentary on it"

[Solkern]

How convenient. I think I'm going to try that today.. post up stories that show an obvious slant and then claim "Hey, I was just posting up the link.. I didn't post my commentary on it"

Believe, I see both sides of this. I guess it depends on perspective.

atleast she didn't go off on McCain like ZOMG THIS IS DA PROOF I FOUNDZ IT!!!!!!111!!! MCCAIN IZ LINKZ TO ACORNZ!!!!!

but she didn't.

it's why I see her side a bit more clearly

[Parkbandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv-Wwv7ZrwE&feature=related

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

It does show an obvious slant. But it's also clearly edited to show that slant, so it's not like I was subliminally trying to "prove a point". It's something I came across while researching information about ACORN and thought I'd post it here because it is relevant. That's all, so people can put away the tin foil.

I have yet to weigh in on ACORN and how I feel about it. There's a lot of information out there about it and a lot of allegations about both campaigns and exactly what each candidate's involvement was/is.

[Parkbandit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkjFc3S21nY&feature=related

[Daniel]

How convenient. I think I'm going to try that today.. post up stories that show an obvious slant and then claim "Hey, I was just posting up the link.. I didn't post my commentary on it"

pure unadulterated irony.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkjFc3S21nY&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv-Wwv7ZrwE&feature=related

Awesome.

[Parkbandit]

pure unadulterated irony.


Now, now Danny Boy. Perhaps you would like to quote an example of how I posted up a link, then hid behind the "Oh, I didn't comment on it.. I just posted the link"

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Now, now Danny Boy. Perhaps you would like to quote an example of how I posted up a link, then hid behind the "Oh, I didn't comment on it.. I just posted the link"

http://blatherreview.mu.nu/archives/TinFoilHatArea.jpg

[Daniel]

Now, now Danny Boy. Perhaps you would like to quote an example of how I posted up a link, then hid behind the "Oh, I didn't comment on it.. I just posted the link"

Who says I was specifically talking about you?

I know you have a hard time grasping things, but think for a second.

[Solkern]

Who says I was specifically talking about you?

I know you have a hard time grasping things, but think for a second.


well, you did quote him. so one can only make the conclusion I suppose..

[Mabus]

There's a lot of information out there about it and a lot of allegations about both campaigns and exactly what each candidate's involvement was/is.
There is a lot of misinformation put out by the Obama campaign in an effort to attempt to link Senator McCain with ACORN.

It would be like saying:
Joe Biden spoke in Afghanistan. He must support the Taliban and Al'Qaeda!

Speaking in front of several groups on policy issues, where a few of the groups are rather dubious, is not the same as providing monetary and legal support to those groups. Nor is it the same as receiving support from the groups in an election, which ACORN does support Obama.

I would venture that Obama's pollsters saw a possible 1-5 point loss from his ties to ACORN, and reacted by trying to link McCain to them.

I applaud the spin, and hope the media calls them on it, but I doubt they will.

[Daniel]

1-5 point loss? Uh..Try again. most people are not buying Mccain's latest round of bullshit...which is exactly why he is down 13 points in the latest CBS poll.

13.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

There is a lot of misinformation put out by the Obama campaign in an effort to attempt to link Senator McCain with ACORN.

It would be like saying:
Joe Biden spoke in Afghanistan. He must support the Taliban and Al'Qaeda!

Speaking in front of several groups on policy issues, where a few of the groups are rather dubious, is not the same as providing monetary and legal support to those groups. Nor is it the same as receiving support from the groups in an election, which ACORN does support Obama.

I would venture that Obama's pollsters saw a possible 1-5 point loss from his ties to ACORN, and reacted by trying to link McCain to them.

I applaud the spin, and hope the media calls them on it, but I doubt they will.

You missed my point entirely-- I'm looking into ACORN as a whole.. what it does, what the allegations are, what the processes are, different opinions on it from people on both sides (pre-election). As WELL as the ties each candidate has to ACORN.

[Mabus]

1-5 point loss? Uh..Try again. most people are not buying Mccain's latest round of bullshit...which is exactly why he is down 13 points in the latest CBS poll.

13.
A possible 1-5 point loss from ties to ACORN is not improbable.

Voters, at least the independents, do not like to feel that a candidate is cheating (even if he is not). Hence, the roll out of Obama's campaign attempting to tie Senator McCain to what is in fact Obama's group.

[Mabus]

As WELL as the ties each candidate has to ACORN.
McCain does not have "ties" to ACORN. Obama does.

There, I hope that has been helpful.

[Daniel]

Who said anything about cheating?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/13/politics/washingtonpost/main4516840.shtml



McCain's efforts to portray Obama as a risky choice do not appear to have worked, either. In fact, voters are likelier to describe the Republican candidate that way, and although 29 percent said they consider Obama a "very safe" choice for president, 18 percent said the same for McCain. Voters were evenly divided on the question of whether McCain is safe or risky; 55 percent said Obama is safe, while 45 percent described the Democrat as risky.

[CrystalTears]

Voters, at least the independents, do not like to feel that a candidate is cheating (even if he is not). Hence, the roll out of Obama's campaign attempting to tie Senator McCain to what is in fact Obama's group.
I think you're assuming way too much that independents are even taking ACORN accusations/assumptions at face value enough to make a difference in how they vote. Obama has a strong lead at the moment and this isn't even going to register enough of a difference to matter. If anything it's pissing people off that things like ACORN and Ayers are making it to the media as credible theories to negate him.

[Gan]

To keep Gan's tears to a minimum.


http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00041/a4s_vote101408_41870c.jpeg

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/elections/article852295.ece
haha. Premptive. I like the way you work. To be honest, I had just read the ACORN story where a shot of an ACORN ballot that was rejected (along with the voter trying to vote) and thought I would refrain from posting it just to give you guys a chance to catch your breath. ;)


Where did I say you were intimidated by me? And where in this thread or any other have I been attempting to link ACORN to McCain, so that this video is me backing those attempts up?

All you had to do was quote Solkern and say "Yeah that". You chose to attack me instead.
Pardon me if I was giving you credit for coming to that conclusion based on the context of your previous post and the direction of the thread. Next time I'll spell it out a little slower for you.


http://ganjataz.com/general-bollocks/images/by-GT/forum-shitz/pot-kettle-black.jpg
ROFL


At least Solkern has the balls to say how he felt about the video instead of hiding behind the "I just posted the video, I didn't comment on it"
bingo

[Gan]

This message is hidden because Daniel is on your ignore list (http://forum.gsplayers.com/profile.php?do=editlist).

Silence is golden.

[Solkern]

Silence is golden.

always makes me wonder, how many people have me on ignore lol

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Pardon me if I was giving you credit for coming to that conclusion based on the context of your previous post and the direction of the thread. Next time I'll spell it out a little slower for you.

Nice try. You made an assumption and were incorrect. Next time you can try not being such a dick.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

always makes me wonder, how many people have me on ignore lol

I've come close to putting two people on ignore. I think most people don't even use the feature because people will still quote the person you're ignoring.

[Solkern]

I've come close to putting two people on ignore. I think most people don't even use the feature because people will still quote the person you're ignoring.

Yeah, I noticed that with ashliana

[DeV]

Voters, at least the independents, do not like to feel that a candidate is cheating (even if he is not). Hence, the roll out of Obama's campaign attempting to tie Senator McCain to what is in fact Obama's group.
You'll find that most Independents as well as former supporters of candidates that didn't make it past the primaries are looking at the important issues and not becoming caught up in the negative slants or accusations from either side to weigh in on which candidate they're more leaning toward.

Those who are giving these distractions the most credence are the candidates' primary support base.

[CrystalTears]

I've come close to putting two people on ignore. I think most people don't even use the feature because people will still quote the person you're ignoring.
Yep. I gave up because of that.

[Gan]

Nice try. You made an assumption and were incorrect. Next time you can try not being such a dick.

If you say so sweetie.

:love:

[Gan]

You'll find that most Independents as well as former supporters of candidates that didn't make it past the primaries are looking at the important issues and not becoming caught up in the negative slants or accusations from either side to weigh in on which candidate they're more leaning toward.

Those who are giving these distractions the most credence are the candidates' primary support base.

/Agreed

Since I represent the last part of your statement. Its still fun though, and what would it say if these allegations were left unchallenged?

[Solkern]

I don't even really bothering arguing politics anymore

a forum board isn't going to change anyones views or opinions, it's a big giant e-peen battle, with both sides to har...err stubborn to change thier views

[DeV]

/Agreed

Since I represent the last part of your statement. Its still fun though, and what would it say if these allegations were left unchallenged?There will always be allegations no matter what office a politician is running for. If they were left unchallenged they'd simply remain allegations. A person can either denounce them, explain them, or outright ignore. In the end it boils down to real issues that will impact our future and that's something that people from both bases need to keep in mind.

[Gan]

mmm. Being chastised by Dev makes me feel so



naughty.

[DeV]

a forum board isn't going to change anyones views or opinionsThat's the beauty of this board, not everyone is as outspoken as the next, but sometimes the vocal minority/majority may change someone's opinion who has no interest in the ensuing debate. My opinion has changed on a number of issues over the years and I've seen the same happen with plenty of fellow posters. You just never know.

[Keller]

That's the beauty of this board, not everyone is as outspoken as the next, but sometimes the vocal minority/majority may change someone's opinion who has no interest in the ensuing debate. My opinion has changed on a number of issues over the years and I've seen the same happen with plenty of fellow posters. You just never know.

Are you trying to say ClydeR rehabilitated your homosexuality?

[DeV]

mmm. Being chastised by Dev makes me feel so



naughty.I promise that's not my intent. It was mainly in response to Mabus and his thoughts on Independent voters.

Carry on, guys! You're entertaining to say the least. :)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Are you trying to say ClydeR rehabilitated your homosexuality?

Pray away the gay!

[DeV]

Are you trying to say ClydeR rehabilitated your homosexuality?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

There is no cure for my lust, thank you very much.

[CrystalTears]

There is no cure for my lust, thank you very much.Nor should there be.

[Keller]

Nor should there be.

Sure.

If you enjoy fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven.

[CrystalTears]

Sure.

If you enjoy fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven.
That's hot.

[Mabus]

I promise that's not my intent. It was mainly in response to Mabus and his thoughts on Independent voters.
If there was no possible affect on voters, the Obama campaign would be ignoring ACORN instead of sending out surrogates and media emails to respond to it.

I heard 4 different people "reporting" the same McCain speech at that multiple organization meeting this morning as if only ACORN was there. That does not just happen, it is coordinated.

Ask the poster that was pushing the McCain video where she got that link, and trace it back. You will likely find yourself at an Obama website or email.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

If there was no possible affect on voters, the Obama campaign would be ignoring ACORN instead of sending out surrogates and media emails to respond to it.

I heard 4 different people "reporting" the same McCain speech at that multiple organization meeting this morning as if only ACORN was there. That does not just happen, it is coordinated.

Ask the poster that was pushing the McCain video where she got that link, and trace it back. You will likely find yourself at an Obama website or email.

Obama has the resources to address these attacks as well as continue his main line of attack on McCain. So of course he'll address them-- Kerry was too slow in '04 to respond to personal attacks and the Dems learned their lesson the hard way.

Also, DeV specifically pointed out it was the base that was mostly doing the back and forth over ACORN, not independents. Her point being that ACORN, Ayers, etc are not going to turn the tide of the election because largely it just riles up the people who already support one candidate or the other, not people who are undecided because of more substantial issues.

[Mabus]

Also, DeV specifically pointed out it was the base that was mostly doing the back and forth over ACORN, not independents.
While I respect people's opinions on such matters, I differ on the possible affects of Obama's ties with ACORN.

The "base" of both parties is going to vote, or has already voted, for their candidate. The only ones to be possibly affected are the "on the fence" voters.

Hence the new Obama campaign lie, "No! McCain is tied to ACORN! Look at this video clip!". Which as I said would be equal to saying "Biden is tied to Al'Qaeda for speaking in Afghanistan!". Both are nonsense. The Biden one is made up and not put forth by a campaign, but the Obama lie has been used and is meant to give untruths to the ignorant.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

While I respect people's opinions on such matters, I differ on the possible affects of Obama's ties with ACORN.

The "base" of both parties is going to vote, or has already voted, for their candidate. The only ones to be possibly affected are the "on the fence" voters.

Hence the new Obama campaign lie, "No! McCain is tied to ACORN! Look at this video clip!". Which as I said would be equal to saying "Biden is tied to Al'Qaeda for speaking in Afghanistan!". Both are nonsense. The Biden one is made up and not put forth by a campaign, but the Obama lie has been used and is meant to give untruths to the ignorant.

:shrug: You're entitled to your own opinion, I just agree with DeV that ultimately this means jack.

[CrystalTears]

:shrug: You're entitled to your own opinion, I just agree with DeV that ultimately this means jack.
Especially with the independents.

[TheEschaton]

Hmmm.

From everything I've read, the following is true:

A) ACORN pays its workers by the hour, not by the registration, like critics are saying.
B) ACORN is often required, by state election law, to submit any voter registration card that is filled out, even when they think it is fraudulent. If ACORN thinks a card is fraudulent, they put it in a separate pile and note it as such, but it's up to the state to disqualify a registration card.
C) The number of suspicious registrations so far are a miniscule number of the total registrations ACORN has submitted, which they HAD to submit, by law. They registered 1.3 million people, people are talking about a couple thousand "suspicious" registrations, which would about 0.1%-0.2% of their total drive. I think that's a pretty acceptable margin of error.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/acorn_rallies_its_troops.php

My favorite part of the article?


Fact: Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorneygate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

-TheE-

[Keller]

Especially with the independents.

Like Gan and Khariz.

[DeV]

If there was no possible affect on voters, the Obama campaign would be ignoring ACORN instead of sending out surrogates and media emails to respond to it.
I was very specific in my reply regarding who gives the most credibility to negativity for or against a particular candidate. I also do not believe it is possible for you to be objective in this matter. You are a base supporter so of course you'll disagree.

[Parkbandit]

Who says I was specifically talking about you?

I know you have a hard time grasping things, but think for a second.
Oh oh, someone got called out and decided to do his moonwalk again. Here's an idea dumbass... Maybe next time, you shouldn't quote someone when responding to your typical stupidity.. that way you could use the "who said I wuz talkin 2 u" and have some intellectual ground to stand on.

So who were you referring to when you quoted me?

[Daniel]

Oh oh, someone got called out and decided to do his moonwalk again. Here's an idea dumbass... Maybe next time, you shouldn't quote someone when responding to your typical stupidity.. that way you could use the "who said I wuz talkin 2 u" and have some intellectual ground to stand on.

So who were you referring to when you quoted me?

I was specifically referring to Gan's habit of posting bullshit articles and saying "Oh...I was just posting an article for discussion... I didn't mean to imply anything" and the roflnes of Him and you trying to jump all ovar Narc for something very similar.

[Daniel]

Silence is golden.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Daniel]

To quote the sage Parkbandit:


OMG NOOOOO! U BLOCKED ME!!!!!! HOW WILL I EVER LIVE WITH MYSELF!!!!111

I was wondering where you went to. I thought you finally took that 'job' of writing for a D&D magazine or became a professional Game Master!

But you blocking me makes me happy.. it's like a badge of honor. I bothered you SO much, that instead of crying and realizing you are one really, pathetic little nerd.. you blocked me. I can see you now.. rocking in your little computer chair.. saying "My mom likes me.. I like me.."

Thanks for cheering me up today man.. I was having a boring day and you just brightened it up.

[Parkbandit]

I was specifically referring to Gan's habit of posting bullshit articles and saying "Oh...I was just posting an article for discussion... I didn't mean to imply anything" and the roflnes of Him and you trying to jump all ovar Narc for something very similar.


Yer Communication r gud. Rly.

[Daniel]

Thx

[TheEschaton]

So, I see no one addressed ACORN's response that I posted a few days ago. Good work, all.

-TheE-

[Gan]

LOL

Did you post something earlier?

[Tsa`ah]

Yes ... yes he did. As usual, when a verifiable counter to the spin is produced, none of the blowhards will touch it.

[Gan]

Yes ... yes he did. As usual, when a verifiable counter to the spin is produced, none of the blowhards will touch it.

Agreed, even your blowhard response was missing.

[Ravenstorm]

Interesting article on ACORN. (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/hendrikhertzberg/2008/10/voter-fraud-fra.html) Quoted for your viewing pleasure.



Voter-Fraud Fraud

The idea that Democrats try to win elections by arranging for hordes of nonexistent people with improbable names to vote for them has long been a favorite theme of Rove-era Republicans. Now it’s become a desperate obsession.

Consider today’s fund-raising e-mail from Robert M. (Mike) Duncan, chairman of the Republican National Committee. Some snippets:

Every election, it’s the same old song and dance from the Democrats and their liberal allies when it comes to donor and vote fraud.

They will soon be trying to pad their totals at ballot boxes across the country with votes from voters that do not exist. From Ohio and Florida to Wisconsin and Nevada, there are reports of fraudulent voter registration forms being submitted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a liberal group that is dedicating its resources to electing the Obama-Biden Democrats.

The e-mail climaxes with this pledge, which one hopes is delivered with a Sarah Palin wink: “We will not stand for the stealing of the election—the tainting of our democracy—by those who wish to subvert the rule of law.”

ACORN has become the 24/7 story on Fox News, too, on account of reports that it has submitted several thousand phony registration forms to local boards of elections. These reports appear to be true. Nevertheless, the “scandal,” as Fox calls it, is itself on its face as phony as Mickey Mouse’s social security number.

During this election cycle, the Times reported today, ACORN has deployed thirteen thousand mostly paid workers, who have registered 1.3 million new voters. One or two per cent of these workers turned in sheaves of forms that they filled out themselves with fake names and bogus addresses, and, even though at least a hundred of these workers have already been fired, the forged forms have been submitted to election boards.

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that groups like ACORN are required by law to submit them, even if they’re obvious fakes. This is to prevent funny business, such as trashing forms that look like they might be Republican (or Democratic, as the case may be).

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that ACORN normally sorts through forms, flags those that look fishy, and submits the fishy ones in a separate pile for the convenience of election officials.

Sounds suspicious—until you reflect that the motivation of the misbehaving registration workers is almost always to look like they’ve been doing more work than they really have, and that the victim of the “fraud” is actually the organization they’re working for.

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that even if one of these fake forms results in a nonexistent person actually being registered, now under the Help America Vote Act of 2002, “any voter who has not previously voted in a federal election” must provide identification in order to actually cast a ballot. This will make it tough for Mickey Mouse, even if registered, to vote, no matter how big, round, or black his ears. Likewise, members of the Duck family (Donald, Daisy, Huey, Dewey, and Louie) who turn up at the polling place will have a hard time getting into the voting booth. (Uncle Scrooge might be able to bribe his way in, but he’s voting Republican anyway.)

Sounds suspicious—unless you know that despite all the hysteria, from 2002 to 2005, only twenty people in the entire United States of America were found guilty of voting while ineligible and only five of voting more than once. By contrast, consider the lede on this story, published a week ago today:

Tens of thousands of eligible voters in at least six swing states have been removed from the rolls or have been blocked from registering in ways that appear to violate federal law, according to a review of state records and Social Security data by The New York Times.

And take it from Sarah Palin: the Times is “hardly ever wrong.”
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