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Gan
10-08-2008, 10:38 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has raised about $3.3 million from contributors who did not list a home state or who designated their state with an abbreviation that did not match one of the 50 states or U.S. territories, according to records provided by the Federal Election Commission.


Most of those contributors did identify themselves as living abroad in foreign cities. Under federal law, foreign citizens cannot make political contributions, but U.S. citizens living abroad can.


The Republican National Committee filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission on Monday asking for an investigation of Obama's foreign contributions, among other things.


The FEC on Monday provided The Associated Press with a spread sheet of potential overseas donors that did not include contributors who left their state designation blank. As a result, the list was incomplete.


The $3.3 million total does not include donors who have given less than $200 and whose contributions do not have to be itemized. Some of that money could also have come from overseas. About half of Obama's $455 million in contributions so far are unitemized. The campaign does not identify those donors.


Obama senior adviser David Axelrod, speaking to reporters en route to Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday, noted that anyone can donate to the campaign through the Internet. "We monitor these things as best we can," he said.


Republican John McCain's campaign lists all his donors, even those who give less than $200, on his Web site.


The Obama campaign has begun to request passport numbers from donors to verify their citizenship.


Asked why the Obama campaign doesn't do the same and open its database to the public, Axelrod said the campaign returns improper contributions.


"Obviously we've got a huge database of contributors," he said. "It's valuable to our campaign... We're probably more forthcoming about disclosure than anyone."


Independent watchdog groups, however, have asked the campaign to provide more information about its fundraisers and to at least provide information about small donors by zip code or country from where they donate.



http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081008/D93M0K5G0.html
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Would like to see greater transparency here.


I bolded the incredulous part.

NocturnalRob
10-08-2008, 10:39 AM
terrorist funding!!

Keller
10-08-2008, 10:46 AM
Has everyone got their tin foil hats on? It's almost November!

Sean of the Thread
10-08-2008, 11:22 AM
Shit I'm out of foil. I'll have to hit up Dollar General after picking the girls up from school.

Tsa`ah
10-08-2008, 08:12 PM
3.3 million ... oh noes!

Mabus
10-08-2008, 08:26 PM
3.3 million ... oh noes!
$1 breaks federal election law.

"The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment."

I wouldn't blame the candidate in this, but if the website did not check the IP origin (and then prompt for further information if the addy was foreign) the web designer could be held responsible.

They could be deemed "helping" a foreign national to break the law by not screening IP addresses known to originate from foreign nations, through negligence. The "knowingly" and "willfully" portions would have to be their defense.

Tsa`ah
10-08-2008, 08:31 PM
$1 breaks federal election law.

If it can be proven that a campaign knowingly accepted such funds. Considering the mail bags full of dollar bills that flood Obama campaign offices on a daily basis ... good luck proving it.


"The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment."

The work around, and McCain would know, is for it to come in the way of lobbyists.


I wouldn't blame the candidate in this, but if the website did not check the IP origin (and then prompt for further information if the addy was foreign) the web designer could be held responsible.

They could be deemed "helping" a foreign national to break the law by not screening IP addresses known to originate from foreign nations, through negligence. The "knowingly" and "willfully" portions would have to be their defense.

You do know that the IP really means shit right? If there's an open proxy, I can send you e-mail from Iran that implicates you as a sponsored terrorist.

Mabus
10-08-2008, 08:52 PM
First off, to condone illegal campaign contributions is not to want a fair election. That you would argue for them, and a "win at any cost", shows a lot about your character.


If it can be proven that a campaign knowingly accepted such funds. Considering the mail bags full of dollar bills that flood Obama campaign offices on a daily basis ... good luck proving it.
One way would be to look at donations from countries while (and directly after) the candidate was giving speeches in those countries. if there was a correlation then a prosecutor could assert that the information to know that the possibility existed was present.



The work around, and McCain would know, is for it to come in the way of lobbyists.
First, accepting money from "lobbyists" is not illegal.

Secondly, the opposing candidate also accepts lobbyist money, just not federally registered lobbyist money. he does accept money from the partners of federally registered lobbyists, and state and local lobbyists.

The "holier then thou" rhetoric only works on the ignorant.


You do know that the IP really means shit right? If there's an open proxy, I can send you e-mail from Iran that implicates you as a sponsored terrorist.
You must not know "shit" about how it actually works.

I deal with IP's, IP bans, IP tracing and the like. I can tell the country of origin (of the given address) within seconds. Anyone (who knows how) can tell you who your ISP is, and what routers you go through in seconds as well. A coded script could check much faster. Known proxies can also be disallowed.

The donation link should have checked country of origin, and prompted for further information if foreign. If the donation was legitimate ( a citizen outside of the country) the information (origin, IP, checked box for US citizen stating penalty under law for fraud, and all other information) would be saved with the amount.

None of this could prevent all fraud or abuse, but it would show "good faith" in attempting to prevent the actions. If none of these (or other) attempts were made, and any foreign correlations can be shown, then it could fall under negligence by the site administrator or coder.

Like I stated previously, I am not faulting the candidate. I can be pretty sure he did not write the website donation code.

Illegal donations of any kind should be stopped, even if "small" by any measure.

Tsa`ah
10-08-2008, 08:59 PM
I agree ... illegal donations should be stopped ... the rest seemed more flatulence, ignorance, and poor comprehension.

Stretch
10-08-2008, 09:03 PM
What a maverick.

Mabus
10-08-2008, 09:08 PM
I agree ... illegal donations should be stopped ... the rest seemed more flatulence, ignorance, and poor comprehension.
Yes, your posts do seem like that at times.

But I am here to help "edumactate" you!
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