Campaign to Turn Negative

[ClydeR]

McCain has announced that his campaign will turn negative in the remaining month before the election. In addition to ads, the negative turn will include the debate this Tuesday. Obama says McCain is trying to distract from the issue of the economy. I don't know why McCain is telling us in advance.


Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.

With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

More... (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738.html)


In an unusual move at this late stage, McCain is spending the weekend at home in Arizona reassessing tactics and preparing for his second head-to-head debate with Obama on Tuesday in Nashville, Tennes-see. The audience rather than a moderator will ask the questions. “McCain is fantastic at town halls,” a McCain aide claimed. “We normally go through an expectations-lower-ing game before debates, but he excels at this format.”

The McCain campaign is acutely aware that it is running out of “game-changing” scenarios, while Obama has strengthened his hand in at least eight battleground states, including the former Republican strongholds of Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina.

There are differences of opinion within the campaign about how aggressive McCain should be. The Arizona senator, 72, already has a reputation for irascibility. However, a supporter asked McCain last week when he would get tough with his opponent. “How about Tuesday night?” he responded.

More... (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4882402.ece)


How in the world does it help your campaign to declare that you're going to try to distract voters from the issues by launching personal attacks on your opponent? It may be obvious when it happens, but still -- what do you gain by admitting it?

The Obama campaign weighs in with a statement:


“On a day after we learned that America lost three-quarters of a million jobs this year and a week after our financial system teetered on the brink of collapse, John McCain and his campaign have announced that they want to ‘turn the page’ on the economic crisis facing working families and spend the last month of this election launching dishonest, dishonorable character attacks against Barack Obama.

"We understand that it’s not easy for John McCain to defend the worst economic record of our lifetime, but he will have to explain to the people struggling to pay their bills and stay in their homes why he would rather spend his time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy.”

More... (http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/10/mccain_watch_me_get_dirty_igno.html)

[Some Rogue]

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[Crazy Bard]

Honestly I don't blame him, it's his only option right now. Why is he annoucing this :nutty: .. Maybe it's the Maverick inside him that he's been talking about this whole time. :grin:

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Honestly I don't blame him, it's his only option right now. Why is he annoucing this :nutty: .. Maybe it's the Maverick inside him that he's been talking about this whole time. :grin:

The latest is trying to link Obama to Ayers. Rofltastic.

[Parkbandit]

The latest is trying to link Obama to Ayers. Rofltastic.


What's funny is that you don't think there is a link.. that they are total strangers.

Personally.. I wouldn't associate myself with a domestic terrorist... ESPECIALLY if I were in the public eye, running for a public office.

Rofltastic indeed.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

What's funny is that you don't think there is a link.. that they are total strangers.

Personally.. I wouldn't associate myself with a domestic terrorist... ESPECIALLY if I were in the public eye, running for a public office.

Rofltastic indeed.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html


ENGLEWOOD, Colorado (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday slammed Sen. Barack Obama's political relationship with a former anti-war radical, accusing him of associating "with terrorists who targeted their own country."

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin lashed out at Sen. Barack Obama's ties to controversial figure William Ayers.



"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Palin made similar comments later at a rally in Carson, California.

Obama's Chicago, Illinois, home is in the same neighborhood as Bill Ayers, a founder of the radical Weather Underground, which was involved in several bombings in the early 1970s, including the Pentagon and the Capitol, and the two have met several times since Obama's 1995 campaign for a state Senate seat.

Palin cited an article in Saturday's New York Times about Obama's relationship with Ayers, now 63. But that article concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.' "

In previous versions of this story, the National Review was incorrectly included among publications cited as debunking the idea that Sen. Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, a founder of the radical Weather Underground, had a close relationship.

Several other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have debunked the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

Riot and bomb conspiracy charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974, and he is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago.

Oh noes, he talked to Ayers a couple of times when they both worked on an educational reform committee and in the same charity. That makes Obama a radical terrorist! I guess that means everyone who goes to or has gone to the University of Illinois is also a radical domestic terrorist.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/27300424.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:Dii UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Yeah it is hilarious that they're desperate enough to try to fear-monger over something so silly.

[Parkbandit]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html

Oh noes, he talked to Ayers a couple of times when they both worked on an educational reform committee and in the same charity. That makes Obama a radical terrorist! I guess that means everyone who goes to or has gone to the University of Illinois is also a radical domestic terrorist.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/27300424.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:Dii UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Yeah it is hilarious that they're desperate enough to try to fear-monger over something so silly.

You are judged (right or wrong) by the company you keep. You make it sound like Ayers and Obama barely knew each other.. which is far from the truth.

[Parkbandit]

Yes.. Tie Obama with Ayers. Then turn around and tie Palin with the Alaskan separatist movement.

You mean how when the AIP came to Wasilla in 2000 and she greeted them to the town like any mayor would? Yea.. that's some incriminating connection there.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You are judged (right or wrong) by the company you keep. You make it sound like Ayers and Obama barely knew each other.. which is far from the truth.

LOL, K:


But that article concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close


Several other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have debunked the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

There have already been attempts to make Obama look like a terrorist sympathizer so this wasn't totally unexpected. And like those, I'm pretty sure this one will fail too: there's only so much you can try to freak people out before they start calling the ruse. Instead of trying to beat Obama on the actual issues they're going to scare up some votes... Mm nothing like October desperation!

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to argue that when her husband was a longstanding member, even if they claim he "wasn't active."

Both insinuations are pretty bullshit, but they're definitely both there.


So wait, let me get this straight.

We're discussing the Ayers/Obama connection.. and your only contribution to the thread was:

B-b-b-b-but Mc-c-c-c-c-Cain!


"B-b-b-b-but the Democrats..!"



"B-b-b-b-but the Democrats..!"


The right-of-center's response is? "B-b-b-b-but Obama! But the Democrats!"


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/hypocrite1.jpg

[Parkbandit]

LOL, K:

You disagree or that was your most intelligent thought you could post?



There have already been attempts to make Obama look like a terrorist sympathizer so this wasn't totally unexpected. And like those, I'm pretty sure this one will fail too: there's only so much you can try to freak people out before they start calling the ruse. Instead of trying to beat Obama on the actual issues they're going to scare up some votes... Mm nothing like October desperation!

I've never said that Obama was a terrorist sympathizer.. and I don't think his links to Ayers shows this either. I think it's just another example of having really bad judgement while running for a public office. And I happen to believe that having good judgement should be a core trait for the Presidency.

[Daniel]

Tx kind of hard to talk about judgement when your vp is a national laughingstock.

[Parkbandit]

Tx kind of hard to talk about judgement when our liberal media is trying to make your vp is a national laughingstock.

Corrected for accuracy.

[Stretch]

Palin's husband looks like a massive douchebag.

Just saying.

[Kembal]

Corrected for accuracy.

Bullshit. Even you said that Palin didn't do well in the Couric interview and it troubled you. Those follow-up questions weren't even hard, and she tripped up on them and fell flat on her face.

[Parkbandit]

Except that this is an issue that involves both parties tactics responding to each other, usually in directly in an attempt to discredit each other, and that I didn't bring up the other out out of left field to distract from the other issue? Did I excuse one with the other? Nope. It's relevant to the campaign turning negative--doing this will just result in other, meaningless attacks. What they should focus on in response is McCain leaving his crippled wife for a multi-millionaire heiress and how high a chance there is of Palin, with zero foreign relations experience, will end up president if their ticket wins.

Please try again.

There's no try again.. you did exactly what you complain about others doing. Exactly.

Admit it Twinkles, you are a hypocrite. You will bring up R-r-r-r-Republicans whenever you feel the need, but if D-d-d-d-d-emocrats is used, you go off.

[Parkbandit]

Bullshit. Even you said that Palin didn't do well in the Couric interview and it troubled you. Those follow-up questions weren't even hard, and she tripped up on them and fell flat on her face.

Bullshit right back at you chump.

I would hardly call that being a national laughingstock.

[Gan]

Palin is a national laughingstock if you're an Obama supporter.

She may not be perfect; however, I've yet to see any VP candidate for ANY presidency who has been perfect.

The bias in this thread is fucking incredible.

[Kembal]

Palin is a national laughingstock if you're an Obama supporter.

She may not be perfect; however, I've yet to see any VP candidate for ANY presidency who has been perfect.

The bias in this thread is fucking incredible.

LOL. Imperfect? Try unqualified. And a liar.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=5948944&page=1


Record Refutes Palin's Sudan Claim
Palin Administration Against Sudan Divestment Before It Was For It, Documents Show
By JUSTIN ROOD
October 3, 2008—

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin fought to protest atrocities in Sudan by dropping assets tied to the country's brutal regime from the state's multi-billion-dollar investment fund, she claimed during Thursday's vice presidential debate.

Not quite, according to a review of the public record - and according to the recollections of a legislator and others who pushed a measure to divest Alaskan holdings in Sudan-linked investments.

"The [Palin] administration killed our bill," said Alaska state representative Les Gara, D-Anchorage. Gara and state Rep. Bob Lynn, R-Anchorage, co-sponsored a resolution early this year to force the Alaska Permanent Fund - a $40 billion investment fund, a portion of whose dividends are distributed annually to state residents - to divest millions of dollars in holdings tied to the Sudanese government.

In an e-mail later, Gara clarified that he believed opposition from the Palin administration helped kill his bill, but was not solely responsible for its death.

In Thursday's debate, Palin said she had advocated the state divest from Sudan. "When I and others in the legislature found out that we had some millions of dollars [of Permanent Fund investments] in Sudan, we called for divestment through legislation of those dollars," Palin said.

But a search of news clips and transcripts from the first three months of this year did not turn up an instance in which Palin mentioned the Sudanese crisis or concerns about Alaska's investments tied to the ruling regime. Moreover, Palin's administration openly opposed the bill, and stated its opposition in a public hearing on the measure.

"The legislation is well-intended, and the desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination," testified Brian Andrews, Palin's deputy revenue commissioner, before a hearing on the Gara-Lynn Sudan divestment bill in February. Minutes from the meeting are posted online by the legislature.

Gara says the lack of support from Palin's administration helped kill the measure.

"I walked out of that hearing livid," Gara recalled of the February meeting. Because of the Palin administration's opposition to the bill, "We could not get a vote in that committee," he explained. At no point did Palin come out in support of the effort, Gara said.

The bill's Republican co-sponsor remembers things differently. "I know she was very strongly behind this," said Rep. Lynn. Asked why, if Palin supported the bill, one of her administration's officials would speak against it, Lynn demurred. "We don't all work in lockstep here," he said. "People have different opinions," he added.

Lynn said he and Palin agreed to re-introduce the bill next January, and push to pass it then. He declined to consider whether stronger support from Palin would have helped the bill survive this winter. "I'm not going to do this what if, what if, what if," he said. "These are hypotheticals."

Gara said that after it was clear the bill had stalled, he and others pressed the administration directly on Sudan divestment.

"We were outraged," Gara recounted. "We went to the Commissioner of Revenue and said, 'What the hell are you guys doing? This is genocide. We're going to keep pushing this until we divest."

Two months later, at the end of the legislative session, the administration softened its position. Appearing before a Senate committee which was considering a companion measure to Gara's bill, Palin's Revenue commissioner, Patrick Galvin, stated the administration supported such a measure, though it hoped to amend the bill to allow for investments held indirectly, for example in index funds.

"We have a moral responsibility to condemn the genocide in Darfur," Palin told a reporter in April, through a spokesperson. "I commend the actions of the Senate State Affairs Committee and I hope the entire legislature gets a chance to weigh in on this matter."

"At the last minute they showed up" and supported the divestment effort, Gara said. But by then the legislative session was almost over, and there wasn't enough time to get it passed.

The Alaska Permanent Fund currently holds $22 million in Sudan-linked investments, according to the non-profit Sudan Divestment Task Force. Divestment advocates say the fund does not need an act of the state legislature to divest itself of those holdings.

[Bobmuhthol]

Ashliana, does it upset you at all that no candidate, VP or P, supports gay marriage?

[Ravenstorm]

LOL. Imperfect? Try unqualified. And a liar.

A big one. Twelve Lies of Sarah Palin (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-twelve-odd.html). Actually, he's up to 17 now but only the first twelve have been consolidated.

The fun part is, once he was a conservative Republican and a big backer of Bush.

[Ravenstorm]

13-17.

13: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-odd-lies--5.html
14: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd-lies--1.html
15: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/the-odd-lies--7.html
16: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd-lies--2.html
17: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-odd-lies--3.html

[Ignot]

Lies? In Politics? Wait a minute....

[Stanley Burrell]

If McCain is elected, and actually freezes government assets like he dumbshit spouted, I hope someone gets the right idea.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I've never said that Obama was a terrorist sympathizer.. and I don't think his links to Ayers shows this either. I think it's just another example of having really bad judgement while running for a public office. And I happen to believe that having good judgement should be a core trait for the Presidency.

I've already said in all other posts that I think it's wrong to judge someone by who they simply talk to/come into contact with.

If Obama is fair game to be said to have "poor judgment" for simply serving on the same committee as Ayers, does that mean every single student of Ayers to ever pass through a class he teaches will never be able to go into politics or any line of work where their judgment will be called into question, simply because of who one of their professors were?

IMO this is a petty, reaching example of "poor judgment".

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

She may not be perfect; however, I've yet to see any VP candidate for ANY presidency who has been perfect.

http://interviewpalin.com/

[TheRoseLady]

Here's a short list of associations that McCain/Palin may not want to discuss.

G. Gordon Liddy
Charles Keating
Rev. John Hagee
Rev. Rod Parsley
Rev. Thomas Muthee
Ed Kalnins

Just saying.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I haven't heard any negative ads from McCain here (yet) but every morning on the drive to work I hear at least one negative ad from Obama. It's not news that it's negative, it's been negative.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I haven't heard any negative ads from McCain here (yet) but every morning on the drive to work I hear at least one negative ad from Obama. It's not news that it's negative, it's been negative.

From what I've read, new McCain ads are going to be released on Tuesday.

That being said, I agree that it's really not news. This close to the election, of course both sides are going to be negative about their opposition.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LOL. Imperfect? Try unqualified. And a liar.


Since when is being unqualified and a liar a purely republican trait?

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[Stanley Burrell]

Since when is being unqualified and a liar a purely republican trait?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/imagedream/Funny/ANGRYVAGINA.gif

Since we're on pictures, I think I'm going to vote for whatever lies are less in line with this outcome:

http://www.criticalconcern.com/img/casket08.jpg

I should probably add: There is no difference between perpetuating this non-combat operation based upon criminally murderous bullshit versus an identical agenda. If we elect the candidate who will, at the very worst, focus his concentration more acutely on the group of individuals who staged the 9-11 attacks, that will most certainly be less of a lie than what we have been spoon-fed for the last too many years. Birds of a feather, etc.

Do you remember when pictures of soldiers' coffins was a high crime? I honestly believed the garbage about how it was unpatriotic -- And now I realize that it is very simply a mechanism to blind the American public to the repercussions of our actions. And now we're making up our minds based on television advertisements? Because if anything, TV is going to mandate the whole truth of a political candidate...

[Tsa`ah]

Ashliana, does it upset you at all that no candidate, VP or P, supports gay marriage?

There is a very huge and distinct difference between the candidates on either side.

Obama/Biden, while opposed to gay marriage (as it is a religious institution) are not opposed to civil unions that would grant the exact same rights under the law.

McCain/Palin, while opposed to gay marriage, are also opposed to unions of any sort that would grant gay couples equal rights. Palin danced and danced around the question ... and closed by agreeing with the Obama/Biden position of being against gay marriage, but nothing more.

[Valthissa]

Here's a short list of associations that McCain/Palin may not want to discuss.

G. Gordon Liddy
Charles Keating
Rev. John Hagee
Rev. Rod Parsley
Rev. Thomas Muthee
Ed Kalnins

Just saying.

Hey, you forgot Hitler.

I'm sure McCain was in the room with Riefenstahl at some point, right?

I am not a fan of guilt by association (having associated with people that would not look good were I running for public office). A lot of that comes from being older and having associated with powerful people in business and politics.

McCain and Obama can't avoid associating with the likes of Ayers or Keating.

Isn't what matters why and when and what one did in those questionable relationships?

The question relating to Obama is does he share Ayers views on education, not does he secretly want to build bombs and blow up government buildings.

C/Valth

[Gan]

The bias in this thread is fucking incredible.


...

[ClydeR]

Here's a short list of associations that McCain/Palin may not want to discuss.

G. Gordon Liddy
Charles Keating
Rev. John Hagee
Rev. Rod Parsley
Rev. Thomas Muthee
Ed Kalnins

Just saying.

With my customary prescience, I predicted that this would happen months ago.


[T]hat won't stop the liberal media from trying to insinuate that McCain favors PNAC just because a handful or two of McCain's senior advisers were founding members of PNAC. The Democrats will fully exploit the dirty politics of guilt by association.

[Mabus]

and how high a chance there is of Palin, with zero foreign relations experience, will end up president if their ticket wins.

But Obama, "with zero foreign policy experience" (actually less the Palin), "will end up president" if he wins, and that is peachy keen, eh?

He reads a great speech!

[Kembal]

Since when is being unqualified and a liar a purely republican trait?


I'm just specifically stating that Sarah Palin is unqualified and a liar.

One could dispute the notion that she's unqualified, obviously based on your partisan leanings.

The liar part though, it's pretty clear. And while all politicians do lie about their positions and their opponent's positions (yes, including Obama), I don't think anyone has ever gone this far that I've seen. (Claiming that you've divested your state from Sudan-linked investments when you actually haven't is just over the top ridiculous.)

[Mabus]

I'm just specifically stating that Sarah Palin is unqualified and a liar.

Two simple questions:
What qualifies Obama or Biden?

If you find Palin a "liar", then you certainly find Biden to be one as well, correct?

[Parkbandit]

I've already said in all other posts that I think it's wrong to judge someone by who they simply talk to/come into contact with.

Again.. you are downplaying Obama's relationships with these questionable people. He didn't merely just "talk" to them or just "come in contact" with them. He had relationships with these people that spanned YEARS.




If Obama is fair game to be said to have "poor judgment" for simply serving on the same committee as Ayers, does that mean every single student of Ayers to ever pass through a class he teaches will never be able to go into politics or any line of work where their judgment will be called into question, simply because of who one of their professors were?

IMO this is a petty, reaching example of "poor judgment".

Again.. you are misrepresenting Obama's relationship with Ayers. And your comparison is retarded, since students have very little say in who their teacher is (unless they opt to drop out of that specific class) where Obama had full control of his relationship with Ayers.

[Parkbandit]

I haven't heard any negative ads from McCain here (yet) but every morning on the drive to work I hear at least one negative ad from Obama. It's not news that it's negative, it's been negative.

Racist. I think it's been stated here numerous times that Obama is above running negative ads. It's only that evil McCain that would stoop to such tactics.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Again.. you are downplaying Obama's relationships with these questionable people. He didn't merely just "talk" to them or just "come in contact" with them. He had relationships with these people that spanned YEARS.

Again.. you are misrepresenting Obama's relationship with Ayers. And your comparison is retarded, since students have very little say in who their teacher is (unless they opt to drop out of that specific class) where Obama had full control of his relationship with Ayers.

Valthissa succinctly put how I feel about the topic, so I'll just quote her. I'm not downplaying it-- yes, Obama and Ayers know each other but Obama denounced what Ayers did and IMO, that's the end of that story. Guilt by association is fucking retarded, no matter who you try to use it on (hence why I've not had any issues with Keating/Muthee/Hagee/AIP/etc and their "links" to the McCain campaign).


I am not a fan of guilt by association (having associated with people that would not look good were I running for public office). A lot of that comes from being older and having associated with powerful people in business and politics.

McCain and Obama can't avoid associating with the likes of Ayers or Keating.

Isn't what matters why and when and what one did in those questionable relationships?

The question relating to Obama is does he share Ayers views on education, not does he secretly want to build bombs and blow up government buildings.

[TheRunt]

You may not be able to avoid associating with those kind of people.

But do you have to have your political "coming out party" at the house of one of those people. Like Obama did with Ayers?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/17/ayers-and-obama-what-is-t_n_97204.html

And if there is nothing to the relationship between the two. Why did Obama try and stop tv stations from airing an ad about the two? Including trying to get the justice dept to step in and force them to stop?
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/25/obama-threatens-tv-stations-airing-ayers-ad/

And about lies. Heres Obamas top 10 list.
http://www.gop.com/media/PDFs/040907Research3.pdf

Although I'm a bit surprised they didn't list My uncle or perhaps my grandfather one of my family anyway was at Auschwitz. I didn't know the pastor was a racist. But you can make that 11 and 12 I guess.

[TheRunt]

Means nothing. If McCain dies/has to resign, Palin takes over with zero experience. Either way, Obama has some experience, and he has Biden, that has decades of experience. What exactly was your point?

"Actually less than Palin"? Right. Because Obama isn't a senator on the national scale, and isn't on the Foreign Affairs/European Affairs committees. But Sarah Palin has lots of experience, given her close proximity to Russia.


And when a artery in Bidens head goes pop. Which is just as likely as McCain dying if not moreso. Then where does all those decades of experience that Obama is going to need go?

Obama is a senator on the foreign affairs/European Affairs committes. Which have oversight over nato. Which is currently engaged with us in Iraq and Afghanistan. And haven't had a single meeting about it.

Where Palin has overseen contracts involving Russia (fishing rights) and Canada(pipeline construction and other things).

So Obama has made a speech or two. And been on a committee that oversees nato. But hasn't done anything about it.

Who has more actual experience dealing with foreign countries again?

[Warriorbird]

Way to highlight Palin being the worst out of the bunch.

:)

[Mabus]

Means nothing. If McCain dies/has to resign, Palin takes over with zero experience. Either way, Obama has some experience, and he has Biden, that has decades of experience. What exactly was your point?

What executive experience does Obama or Biden have that Palin does not have?

As to Biden, if you have not read the number of flat out "mistakes" he made during that debate, then you are really missing the best of the "who lied" discussions.

There is a reason Biden doesn't do better then 3% in Dem presidential primaries. Being wrong and an idiot for years does not make you experienced at anything, except being wrong and being an idiot. Even the voting Dems have spoken on that during the primaries.


"Actually less than Palin"? Right. Because Obama isn't a senator on the national scale, and isn't on the Foreign Affairs/European Affairs committees.
That must have been an amazing 143 days before Obama announced his presidential bid. What did do? Who did he meet with? What major foreign policy matters did he deal with in that 143 days?

I'll help you here. He did nothing substantial dealing with foreign policy. Nothing. Not in his whole "career" of stone-stepping except...
...He did give a speech in Germany, if that makes you feel better.


But Sarah Palin has lots of experience, given her close proximity to Russia.
They have fishing, trade and other arrangements with several countries. She has made deals, worked to further the lot of the people and businesses of Alaska, and met with Alaska's foreign trading partners.

Have you even looked at Alaska's exports, and which countries they are with?

Has Obama taken part in any foreign trade negotiations? Has Biden? Have either of them ran a state government where the state has nearly $4 billion a year in exports to foreign countries?

Believe the hype, or look at the facts. Which you choose is all up to you.

Alaskan Trade (http://gov.state.ak.us/trade/)

[Warriorbird]

And she's totally seen her way to Russia... even though she's never been to the island that you can see Russia from.

[Nieninque]

"Today, I will be mean to you...!"

[diethx]

And when a artery in Bidens head goes pop. Which is just as likely as McCain dying if not moreso. Then where does all those decades of experience that Obama is going to need go?

Obama is a senator on the foreign affairs/European Affairs committes. Which have oversight over nato. Which is currently engaged with us in Iraq and Afghanistan. And haven't had a single meeting about it.

Where Palin has overseen contracts involving Russia (fishing rights) and Canada(pipeline construction and other things).

So Obama has made a speech or two. And been on a committee that oversees nato. But hasn't done anything about it.

Who has more actual experience dealing with foreign countries again?

You totally did that period thing again. ffs.

[Tsa`ah]

I haven't heard any negative ads from McCain here (yet) but every morning on the drive to work I hear at least one negative ad from Obama. It's not news that it's negative, it's been negative.

That you haven't heard any from McCain only means he hasn't sunk any cash into the advertising in your area/state. It doesn't mean they're not out there. Don't tell me you haven't heard/seen the McCain commercial claiming Obama wants to teach pre-schoolers about sex, or about Obama not caring about the troops (what a pile of crap that one was).



And if there is nothing to the relationship between the two. Why did Obama try and stop tv stations from airing an ad about the two? Including trying to get the justice dept to step in and force them to stop?
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/25/obama-threatens-tv-stations-airing-ayers-ad/

You're referring to Harold Simmons 527 adds. The same guy behind the swift boating ... and the same guy that sank McCain's primary campaign in 1999/2000 with the claims of an inter-racial love child.

I personally think you're an idiot now ... more than ever.


And about lies. Heres Obamas top 10 list.
http://www.gop.com/media/PDFs/040907Research3.pdf

Although I'm a bit surprised they didn't list My uncle or perhaps my grandfather one of my family anyway was at Auschwitz. I didn't know the pastor was a racist. But you can make that 11 and 12 I guess.

You really need to expand your sources for reading material.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

And she's totally seen her way to Russia... even though she's never been to the island that you can see Russia from.

The people of Little Diomede <3 Palin, man.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah... the one who knows who she is...

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/you-can-see-russia-from-here/

[TheRunt]

You're referring to Harold Simmons 527 adds. The same guy behind the swift boating ... and the same guy that sank McCain's primary campaign in 1999/2000 with the claims of an inter-racial love child.

I personally think you're an idiot now ... more than ever.


Yes that is the add that Obama tried to block. Whats your point? He is still trying to threaten/sue/imprison people to keep from getting a tv commercial airtime. A legal tv commercial at that.
"The Barack Obama campaign has now sent a second letter to the Department of Justice calling for the prosecution of one of American Issues Project’s donors for his role in funding a political advertisement in full compliance with all election laws. “Having failed in its attempts to get our legal, factual and fully-supported ad off the air, Barack Obama’s campaign now wants to put our donors in prison for exercising their right to free speech," said Ed Martin, American Issues Project’s president. “These over-the-top bullying tactics are reminiscent of the kind of censorship one would see in a Stalinist dictatorship, with the only difference being that those guys generally had to wait until they were in power to throw people who disagreed with them into jail.”
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/american-issue-project-news/american-issues-project-calls-obama-campaign-efforts-to-prosecute-political-opponents-bullying-and.html

Seems to me that a constitutional law "professor" would know a little about free-speech.

[Warriorbird]

He does. Impressively enough he also knows a few things about politics and the phrase 'by any means necessary.'

:D

[irving]

Probably MacCain probably he already realized that he is on a losing streak against Obama. They say that Obama is a great orator. I hope he is also a good president if given a chance.

[Parkbandit]

You really need to expand your sources for reading material.


Argue the information Shit4Brains, not the source.

[Daniel]

Palin is a national laughingstock if you're an Obama supporter.

She may not be perfect; however, I've yet to see any VP candidate for ANY presidency who has been perfect.

The bias in this thread is fucking incredible.

Rofl @ You of all people talking about bias.

[TheEschaton]

I might change my mind about moving if McCain/Palin wins. I might just buy some guns, go underground, and prepare for the revolution.

-TheE-

[DeV]

I guess that means everyone who goes to or has gone to the University of Illinois is also a radical domestic terrorist.

Oh noes! :(

[ClydeR]

The Obama response is apparently coming at precisely noon eastern time today when a 13-minute (whose attention span is that long?) video will debut at KeatingEconomocs.com (http://www.keatingeconomics.com/) about McCain's intervention with federal regulators on behalf of Charles Keating's S&L. Right now the site just has a 35 second video and lots of articles. I think people are going to get so disgusted with the attacks and counterattacks that they will just stop paying attention.

[Daniel]

Fuck you for stealing my thunder Clyde.

Look's like we aren't about to have a swift boat this time.

[Parkbandit]

I might change my mind about moving if McCain/Palin wins. I might just buy some guns, go underground, and prepare for the revolution.

-TheE-

Now now now... Mr. Baldwin. You made the United States of America a promise... and I expect you to fulfill your commitment.

[ClydeR]

Fuck you for stealing my thunder Clyde.

Look's like we aren't about to have a swift boat this time.

I watched the whole thing, and I didn't learn anything new. Most of it is a simplified discussion of the facts by a former bank regulator involved in the case, interspersed with video clips from the time.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Being wrong and an idiot for years does not make you experienced at anything, except being wrong and being an idiot.

Exactly why a lot of people are choosing not to vote for McCain.

[Parkbandit]

Exactly why a lot of people are choosing not to vote for McCain.

Did you just use the "I know you are but what am I" retort?

http://aviationweek.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/21/failure.gif

[Mabus]

Exactly why a lot of people are choosing not to vote for McCain.
Because they are idiots. I know.

[Mabus]

Did you just use the "I know you are but what am I" retort?

All the points I made in the post were skipped, so I went to the level of the responders.

To stay very on topic, it seems like the McCain camp has received my emails. If you are going to go negative, go with all barrels blazing.

Call that liar out on Ayers, Wright, his Chicago roots, his votes (or lack there of), his trillion dollar pork requests, his Fannie/Freddie connection, his illegal foreign donations, his lies about taking public financing, his statements about our troops, his flip flopping on issues, his refusal to publicly release his donor lists, his record on voting to raise taxes on people making only $42,000 a year, his trillion dollar federal spending increase plans and his plan to raise taxes on small businesses that will end up causing almost all US-produced goods to increase in price therefore hurting every American.

I could go on, but those make a good start.

It would be nice to see the media actually question Obama. It won't happen, but it would be nice. It would be great to hear specifics from Mr. "Hope and Change", instead of overly general plans meant to entice ignorant voters. "There's a sucker born every minute" is an old saying, and looking at Obama supporters buying his snake oil simply proves it's truth.

[Parkbandit]

All the points I made in the post were skipped, so I went to the level of the responders.

To stay very on topic, it seems like the McCain camp has received my emails. If you are going to go negative, go with all barrels blazing.

Call that liar out on Ayers, Wright, his Chicago roots, his votes (or lack there of), his trillion dollar pork requests, his Fannie/Freddie connection, his illegal foreign donations, his lies about taking public financing, his statements about our troops, his flip flopping on issues, his refusal to publicly release his donor lists, his record on voting to raise taxes on people making only $42,000 a year, his trillion dollar federal spending increase plans and his plan to raise taxes on small businesses that will end up causing almost all US-produced goods to increase in price therefore hurting every American.

I could go on, but those make a good start.

It would be nice to see the media actually question Obama. It won't happen, but it would be nice. It would be great to hear specifics from Mr. "Hope and Change", instead of overly general plans meant to entice ignorant voters. "There's a sucker born every minute" is an old saying, and looking at Obama supporters buying his snake oil simply proves it's truth.


(I was responding to Narcissiia.. which is why I quoted her post.. and not yours)

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I doubt I'm the only person on these boards who just skims the bullshit Mabus spews.

And, FYI PB, it's the "Your logic can apply to everyone" retort. Don't get your panties in a wad.

[Mabus]

You sir are a partisan hack. People like you make others think that conservatism is a mental impairment.
And you cannot make a decent post to respond to any of the charges leveled at Obama.

Defend him. Give specifics of his programs.

Let's take a specific example of a program.

From the "Obama/Biden "Health Care Plan":
"(5) REQUIRE COVERAGE OF CHILDREN. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require that all children have health
care coverage."

"Q. How will the mandate that children be covered affect me?
A. When children are born, their parents will be assisted in signing them up for affordable, high quality coverage, either through their own employer-sponsored insurance plans, through Medicaid or SCHIP, or through options established by the Obama plan. We will continue to make sure that children are covered, which may include verification when parents sign them up for daycare or school. Obama’s plan will help parents make sure their children get the care they need, at the time they need it."

What is the sanction for those that cannot afford to do so?

Do we now imprison parents, either custodial or non-custodial, that are unable to afford this? Do we fine them?

Do we force businesses, even small businesses and the self-employed, to provide this coverage?

If a business is unable to afford these extra mandates what sanctions can they expect?

It says the plan will only cost "$50-60 billion" a year. How were these estimates created? What is the projection of costs over a 10 year, 20 year period and 50 year period?

This is but one issue that just sits there with questions unanswered.

[Mabus]

I doubt I'm the only person on these boards who just skims the bullshit Mabus spews.

Which proves my point in another thread.

Obama supporters can not stand criticism of their candidate.

Just as Obama cannot stand up to the truth.

[Daniel]

Don't forget that Obama doesn't like Jews.

[Mabus]

Don't forget that Obama doesn't like Jews.
So THAT is how the health care plan will be handled.

Thank you for the informative post.

[CrystalTears]

Which proves my point in another thread.

Obama supporters can not stand criticism of their candidate.

Just as Obama cannot stand up to the truth.
I tend to skim over your posts too and I'm not even voting for Obama.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Vheech prufes my pueent in unuzeer threed.

Oobema sooppurters cun nut stund creeticism ooff zeeur cundeedete-a.

Joost es Oobema cunnut stund up tu zee troot. Bork Bork Bork!

It proves that I cannot stand reading most of what you post (unless I run it through a swedish chef translator first).

[Mabus]

It proves that I cannot stand reading most of what you post (unless I run it through a swedish chef translator first).
I know, you cannot read anything that might tarnish your view of your candidate.

Attack those that question the divinity of Obama. If that fails, stick your fingers in your ears, and spout nonsense and lies.

[Clove]

I know, you cannot read anything that might tarnish your view of your candidate.

Attack those that question the divinity of Obama. If that fails, stick your fingers in your ears, and spout nonsense and lies.People would pay attention to you if you had legitimate criticisms. And honestly, we all think you have a shrine to Obama anyway.

[Mabus]

People would pay attention to you if you had legitimate criticisms. And honestly, we all think you have a shrine to Obama anyway.
Which shows the general lack of knowledge and clarity in thought around here.

Are you attempting to get some help for the other thread? Is this a call for me to accuse you of supporting Obama so you can keep Daniel at bay?

You are going to have to defend yourself against "one-liner boy" all by your lonesome. No help here.

[Daniel]

Which shows the general lack of knowledge and clarity in thought around here.

Are you attempting to get some help for the other thread? Is this a call for me to accuse you of supporting Obama so you can keep Daniel at bay?

You are going to have to defend yourself against "one-liner boy" all by your lonesome. No help here.



You can rail this all you want, but it's still a two way street. Anyone looks like a moderate next to Mabus, and you're silly if you think that somehow validates your "moderate" creds.

lol.

[Mabus]

lol.
I agree, that is a problematic portion of the proposed health care plan.

Thank you for the informative post again, Daniel!

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

I agree, that is a problematic portion of the proposed health care plan.

Thank you for the informative post again, Daniel!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i168/my871/SwedishChef.jpg

[Daniel]

I agree, that is a problematic portion of the proposed health care plan.

Thank you for the informative post again, Daniel!

It's not my fault you only do incomplete research. Take a look at the healthy kids act of 2007 if you want a sense of what he would do.

[Warriorbird]

He just has trouble making posts if they don't involve hating on Obama.

[Parkbandit]

I doubt I'm the only person on these boards who just skims the bullshit Mabus spews.

And, FYI PB, it's the "Your logic can apply to everyone" retort. Don't get your panties in a wad.


You should make another video about it.. using 10 less cameras this time.

[Warriorbird]

I don't think making fun of somebody's appearance when you won't show your own is all that impressive.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think making fun of somebody's appearance when you won't show your own is all that impressive.

I don't remember asking your opinion... nor trying to impress you.

I suppose if I was some attention starved individual, I would start writing on my boobs and making videos of myself. Fortunately for me, I get plenty of attention in real life and don't need the internet to supply it for me.

[TheRoseLady]

Hey, you forgot Hitler.

C/Valth

If you expect me to respond intelligently to your post, I'm afraid you're out of luck. Anyone who invokes Hitler automatically loses, imo.

I hardly consider an association with a man who saw to the extermination of millions of human beings to be comparable to the sorts of things that Obama and McCain are talking about.

If you were kidding, sorry, but I don't find the comparison to be humorous.

[Mabus]

It's not my fault you only do incomplete research. Take a look at the healthy kids act of 2007 if you want a sense of what he would do.
I wasn't talking about some general "sense" of what he would do. I had specific questions, as I am sure millions of Americans do, about this plan.

That is what I was getting at. This overly general system of "believe me" that Obama uses. Specifics are lacking, and what I quoted was directly from his website (so question the source, if you want).

All of his programs are this way. They tell you what sounds like a good idea (hell, who is against health care for children?) but they fail in providing the how, what, where, when why. The media fails to ask the hard questions about these proposals.

To question any program, or to ask for specifics, is seen as "going negative" by Obama and his supporters. To ask questions about judgment, previous voting record or associations is taboo!

But to just spout "McBush!", or to promote emails by the likes of Tim Wise, is seen as somehow above the fray, and not negative. A successful female Governor is called (or infered to be) "stupid" or "unprepared", and that is acceptable to Obama supporters (even when the facts show she is more experienced then the candidate). To use ageism, or even stoke fears that one may die, when against McCain is open fodder, and to be lauded by the supporters.

Just keep skipping the facts, the specifics and the truth. Attack, be negative, lie, all while claiming some moral or ethical superiority. In other words, keep supporting Obama.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Is that really the best you can do? Congrats PB, you have officially hit a Code Dave on the retardation scale.

[TheRoseLady]

(I was responding to Narcissiia.. which is why I quoted her post.. and not yours)

:rofl:

[TheRoseLady]

I doubt I'm the only person on these boards who just skims the bullshit Mabus spews.



You're definitely not alone.

[Mabus]

You're definitely not alone.
I am sure she is not, as Obama supporters cannot stand valid criticisms of their candidate.

Keep the rose-colored glasses on.

[TheRoseLady]

This is but one issue that just sits there with questions unanswered.

Do your own research Mabus. It's not like you would believe what anyone said anyway.

[TheRoseLady]

Which proves my point in another thread.

Obama supporters can not stand criticism of their candidate.



Yeah, let's not exaggerate here.

I could care less what you say about Obama, I already voted. However, you wouldn't have swayed me anyway.

[Mabus]

However, you wouldn't have swayed me anyway.
Imagine that?

I did my own research. I went to the Obama website, read the statements, read the pdf, read the FAQ, watched the speeches dealing with the issue and I am up on the current news. With all of that the questions I posed are not answered.

So I asked you fine Obama supporters, who obviously know the specifics about his proposals, the questions.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Imagine that?

I did my own research. I went to the Obama website, read the statements, read the pdf, read the FAQ, watched the speeches dealing with the issue and I am up on the current news. With all of that the questions I posed are not answered.

So I asked you fine Obama supporters, who obviously know the specifics about his proposals, the questions.

And I'm pulling a Palin!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html

[Parkbandit]

Is that really the best you can do? Congrats PB, you have officially hit a Code Dave on the retardation scale.

Do you really, really want to go down this road with me?

Really?

I'll let you off the hook... because I'm trying to be nice.

[Mabus]

And I'm pulling a Palin!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html
Thank you for the specifics to the questions about Obama's health care plan. Between you and Daniel I now know why you support Obama.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Do you really, really want to go down this road with me?

Really?

I'll let you off the hook... because I'm trying to be nice.

The road where I point out that you're a sad old man who probably hasn't seen his wife's wrinkled, sagging tits for 10 years?

You're not trying to be nice, you're trying not to be stupid. Not quite there yet but I give you props for the effort.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Thank you for the specifics to the questions about Obama's health care plan. Between you and Daniel I now know why you support Obama.

You betcha! And that's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, were ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the—it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that.

[Parkbandit]

The road where I point out that you're a sad old man who probably hasn't seen his wife's wrinkled, sagging tits for 10 years?

You're not trying to be nice, you're trying not to be stupid. Not quite there yet but I give you props for the effort.

Sad part is.. you know zero about me or my wife.. and I've seen pretty much ALL of your gigantic self parading around like some attention starved little Internet whore. Here's an idea, next time try using about 30 less cameras.. since each one makes you look 10 pounds heavier. I'm sorry I had my wide screen monitor on when I clicked on your video... it really put you into 'perspective'.

Gee.. you bake goods for a living. Couldn't tell. Really.

I guess you showed everyone where your profits went to.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Sad part is.. you know zero about me or my wife.. and I've seen pretty much ALL of your gigantic self parading around like some attention starved little Internet whore. Here's an idea, next time try using about 30 less cameras.. since each one makes you look 10 pounds heavier. I'm sorry I had my wide screen monitor on when I clicked on your video... it really put you into 'perspective'.

Gee.. you bake goods for a living. Couldn't tell. Really.

I guess you showed everyone where your profits went to.

:clap:

Come on, you can do better than this. No shit I liked the attention, why else would I or anyone else have posted? Please, come up with something other than UR FAT.

[TheRoseLady]

Imagine that?

I did my own research. I went to the Obama website, read the statements, read the pdf, read the FAQ, watched the speeches dealing with the issue and I am up on the current news. With all of that the questions I posed are not answered.

So I asked you fine Obama supporters, who obviously know the specifics about his proposals, the questions.

I have to think about the whole healthcare stuff at work. I already gave CRB some information for free, the rest of what I know or don't know about Obama's policies will not be forthcoming from me. That is unless you wish to put me on your payroll to discuss the nuances of the two plans.

Go ask Keller for some free legal advice.
Maybe Gan will help you with titles and such.
PB could help you with energy questions. (He knows more about energy than anyone I know in the whole state of Florida.) :wink:

[Parkbandit]

Aren't I the only person you know in Florida?

[TheRoseLady]

Aren't I the only person you know in Florida?

No, but you're my favorite energy guy.

[Mabus]

I have to think about the whole healthcare stuff at work. I already gave CRB some information for free, the rest of what I know or don't know about Obama's policies will not be forthcoming from me. That is unless you wish to put me on your payroll to discuss the nuances of the two plans.

Go ask Keller for some free legal advice.
Maybe Gan will help you with titles and such.
PB could help you with energy questions. (He knows more about energy than anyone I know in the whole state of Florida.) :wink:
In other words:

None of you Obama supporters have the answers to those questions about specifics of his health care plan.

That's what I said to begin with.

[TheRoseLady]

In other words:

None of you Obama supporters have the answers to those questions about specifics of his health care plan.

That's what I said to begin with.

Whatever you say.

[Mabus]

Whatever you say.
Then prove me wrong, answer the questions.

You state that you can, but have not.

That places the burden on you.

[Tsa`ah]

In other words:

None of you Obama supporters have the answers to those questions about specifics of his health care plan.

That's what I said to begin with.

No ... you just need to learn to fucking read.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

[Mabus]

No ... you just need to learn to fucking read.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

I read it, previous to posting. Where do you think the information was from?

From my post:

Let's take a specific example of a program.

From the "Obama/Biden "Health Care Plan":
"(5) REQUIRE COVERAGE OF CHILDREN. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require that all children have health
care coverage."

"Q. How will the mandate that children be covered affect me?
A. When children are born, their parents will be assisted in signing them up for affordable, high quality coverage, either through their own employer-sponsored insurance plans, through Medicaid or SCHIP, or through options established by the Obama plan. We will continue to make sure that children are covered, which may include verification when parents sign them up for daycare or school. Obama’s plan will help parents make sure their children get the care they need, at the time they need it."


Now, I know you want to follow me around and attempt to sound intelligent, but you really should read the whole thread before making jackass posts that show you cannot follow a conversation.

[Tsa`ah]

No one is following you ... stop flattering yourself. I skimmed the thread and your last post caught me as completely ignorant.

Now, if you want me to stop responding to ignorance ... well I hope you know what would be required.

[Mabus]

No one is following you ... stop flattering yourself. I skimmed the thread and your last post caught me as completely ignorant.

Now, if you want me to stop responding to ignorance ... well I hope you know what would be required.
So you now admit you were wrong, and that I had been to the Obama site?

I still have not heard answers to the specific questions I posed about this health care plan. Not from the candidate, not from his campaign, not from his website and not from his supporters.

I only asked the specific questions to prove the point:
Asking for specifics about proposals from candidates is seeing as "negative" by many supporters.

Thank you, for helping to prove the point.

[ClydeR]

There's some new numbers on how negative political advertising has been in this campaign.


During the week of September 28-October 4, nearly 100 percent of the McCain campaign's advertisements were negative. During the same period, 34 percent of the Obama campaign's ads were negative. Comparing this presidential election to 2004, we see that both the McCain and Obama campaigns have aired more negative advertisements than did their counterparts. In all of 2004, 64 percent of the Bush campaign's ads were negative, while to date, 73 percent of McCain's ads have been negative. Similarly, 34 percent of all Kerry ads were negative while 61 percent of Obama's have been.

More (PDF)... (http://wiscadproject.wisc.edu/wiscads_release_100808.pdf)