Biden and Palin Debate [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

BriarFox

10-02-2008, 09:28 PM

Now it sounds like he knows more about McCain's policies than she does. She just used her windfall profits tax on oil companies in Alaska to imply that the same would happen in a McCain administration. Biden pointed out that McCain opposes windfall profits taxes on oil companies and wants to give them a 4 billion dollar tax break, and that Obama, in fact, supports a windfall profits tax on the oil companies.

Malvadere

10-02-2008, 09:31 PM

She winked at me!

Back

10-02-2008, 09:32 PM

If you guys say so.

Try to stay objective.

If anyone thinks Gwen Ifil is not objective they’re nuts. She is sticking it to Joe more than Palin is.

Honestly, Palin sounds more aligned with Obama’s policies than McCain’s.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:33 PM

Biden is digging a hole imo.

He's a fucking scientist and a philosopher now? He doesn't know shit about global trends. But he turns it into a "new jobs" issue.

Solidifies my vote.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-02-2008, 09:33 PM

Biden sounds like Al Gore now.

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 09:35 PM

Someone needs to wipe that shit eating grin off of palin's face... she's like a 12 year old in the principal's office- too nervous to quit grinning.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:35 PM

Just watching Biden's face during this he screams cocksucker.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:36 PM

If I was undecided before this debate Biden sealed it with his Ted Kennedy bullshit. Stupid fuck.

Good riddance.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:37 PM

"as heterosexuals do"

McCain wins

BriarFox

10-02-2008, 09:40 PM

McCain wins

Go ahead and keep saying that if it makes ya feel better.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:42 PM

Keep saying "We will end this war" if that makes you feel better.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 09:43 PM

Undecided before this debate? You already posted a thread about it being decided. I call bullshit.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Undecided before this debate? You already posted a thread about it being decided. I call bullshit.

I said IF I was undecided.

And I posted I was decided way immaturely months ago. I've been open minded but these guys are full of shit. I'm sure they're pushing more than me away from their crock of shit.

Back

10-02-2008, 09:47 PM

Someone needs to wipe that shit eating grin off of palin's face... she's like a 12 year old in the principal's office- too nervous to quit grinning.

I don’t know. At least she has a refreshing face to old man politics. Vapid thought it may seem I suspect thats only because she has her eye on a lofty prize.

BriarFox

10-02-2008, 09:48 PM

What the fuck is up with Palin's "Ackmadinejad?" 4 times in 2 minutes. Ahmadinejad. your milfness.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:50 PM

Palin just fucked Biden up basically.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 09:51 PM

Not so much. The questions have done more damage than she ever has. Her looking down at her notes looks terrible too. What's important is she hasn't sunk herself so far.

Parkbandit

10-02-2008, 09:52 PM

Did Biden just say that Obama didn't say he would sit down with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? I think I saw his nose grow.. especially since he was in the same debate with Obama when he said it.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

It's not notes it's a computer screen and they both have one.

And yes she's pwned Biden on the last few questions.

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

This stuff about i-rack is irrelevant anyway. We won years ago, remember?

http://www.englandforobama.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mission_accomplished.jpg

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

I don't think Palin is doing exceptionally well here, nor do I think Biden is. Biden was the first to dodge questions by taking shots at McCain, but Palin's done it more often I think. Biden's responses to those attacks have been better than hers. She simply dodged a few of the responses and started off on her own tangents.

Biden does seem to know more about McCain's policies specifically than she does.

With that said, I'm still voting for McCain/Palin.

Also, watch the little wiggly line closely. If that's at all close to a fair sampling of how the country reacts, women are WAAAAY more impressionable on both sides of the card, and need less information before making their decisions.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

Did Biden just say that Obama didn't say he would sit down with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? I think I saw his nose grow.. especially since he was in the same debate with Obama when he said it.

Bingo

Parkbandit

10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

Palin's looking good so far imo... but her bangs in her eyes is driving me crazy. Everytime she blinks, her hair moves.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

This stuff about i-rack is irrelevant anyway. We won years ago, remember?

http://www.englandforobama.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mission_accomplished.jpg

Thanks for your contribution tard.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

Palin's looking good so far imo... but her bangs in her eyes is driving me crazy. Everytime she blinks, her hair moves.

I have to admit her bangs were bugging me too. I still want to slap her behind however.

BriarFox

10-02-2008, 09:54 PM

"This administration's policies on Israel have been an abject failure (enter lots of info about elections, Hamas, and Hezbollah)." Biden just rocked the question on Israel.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:55 PM

Biden failed on the Israel question.

Parkbandit

10-02-2008, 09:55 PM

"This administration's policies on Israel have been an abject failure (enter lots of info about elections, Hamas, and Hezbollah)." Biden just rocked the question on Israel.

From your standpoint perhaps.

:shrug:

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 09:56 PM

Biden might as well be Ted Kennedy junior. Disgusting career politician.

Back

10-02-2008, 10:00 PM

Thats not hair. Thats a wolverine pelt.

Daniel

10-02-2008, 10:00 PM

Palin just fucked Biden up basically.

On what?

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:03 PM

One thing I will say is that I'm glad Palin isn't on the front of the ticket for one reason. We need a president that can pronounce nuclear correctly.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:03 PM

On what?

Almost on what not. He's got the career politician face on ... everything you democrats hate.

But on the Israel thing she was spot on.

I can't stand looking at Biden's Teddy Kennedy bullshit scoundrel face so I'll just listen.

It's a good thing the VP's ultimately won't affect my decision because this is shit.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:04 PM

One thing I will say is that I'm glad Palin isn't on the front of the ticket for one reason. We need a president that can pronounce nuclear correctly.

ha ha?

You can do better than that.

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 10:08 PM

Sadly, a lot of people will get drawn in by this "Aw, gee, I just don't undurrstand you washington insiders! I'm just a small town straight shootin' gal" talk. It's such disingenuous bullshit- a way to cover for ignorance and reject competence.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:09 PM

So far all I've garnered from this debate is Biden is a Teddy type scumbag two face full of shit lying mother fucking politician.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:10 PM

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:12 PM

And it gets worse with the last question. He fucking sealed it for McCain tonight. Thank you Biden.

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:12 PM

ha ha?

You can do better than that.

Pssht. Not right now I can't. I ran out of robitussin and I found something way better. Theraflu drink mix. It tastes just like lemonade except it makes me feel all tingly inside! Like whiskey!

Seriously though I am sort of jaded on this whole process and even against the debate itself. It just seems that every chance either side gets they try to steer it away from the issue at hand and towards "Well the other guy said this and that is BAD".

I still think Palin could have done way better on a lot of this, and I don't like the fact that she continues to push the personal aspect of things in a debate about issues. (i.e. - I'm a hockey mom, relate to me. I have lots of kids. You have kids. We are SOOO in touch with each other. Vote for us.)

At this stage I'd say they're both about even as far as how well they've gotten their points across, which is not very well on either side.

Still voting for McCain, and nothing will change that at this point unless something huge happens, but I really haven't gotten much out of this debate.

Sean

10-02-2008, 10:12 PM

ha ha?

You can do better than that.

This from the guy who attacked Biden for having a face screaming cocksucker.

radamanthys

10-02-2008, 10:13 PM

Biden repeating 'John McCain' probably lost him my winning vote.

You're supposed to be doing PR for your candidate. He's doing repetition advertising for McCain, regardless of what he's saying.

She was nervous at first- her voice isn't as crackly now as it was (10:13PM).

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 10:14 PM

And then there are some of us college edgeoumacated folks that have a clue.

Boy oh gee wiz, you deserve some extra credit! By golly you sure do!

Audriana

10-02-2008, 10:14 PM

Is she going to answer a question soon?

Granted, I'm about 20 minutes behind on my DVR, maybe she has...

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:16 PM

This from the guy who attacked Biden for having a face screaming cocksucker.

Did I lie?

Clove

10-02-2008, 10:16 PM

Biden sounds like Al Gore now.Biden kind of reminded of Bob Dole. "Joe Biden...."

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:17 PM

Is she going to answer a question soon?

Granted, I'm about 20 minutes behind on my DVR, maybe she has...

In my opinion she's much more genuine and answering much better than teddy jr.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:18 PM

I just haven't been too overwhelmed by all of it to be honest. That's good for Palin.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:18 PM

Genuine?

I think you just saw the bathing suit and gun pics and went "Ah laek tha-et" Sean.

BriarFox

10-02-2008, 10:19 PM

Christ, here's she goes on being a mom again, avoiding the question for the fortieth time. Biden's been much straighter in his answers throughout the entire debate.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:19 PM

Never saw them. I do see teddy jr's lying face however.

Back

10-02-2008, 10:19 PM

So far all I've garnered from this debate is Biden is a Teddy type scumbag two face full of shit lying mother fucking politician.

In another thread you told me to turn in my card for watching this debate... and here you are spouting nothing more than expletives that contribute nothing to the conversation.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:20 PM

35 years in public office eh teddy jr?

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Christ, here's she goes on being a mom again, avoiding the question for the fortieth time. Biden's been much straighter in his answers throughout the entire debate.

She's been coached to string together sound bites (shining city on a hill!) with baby talk (Oh Joe, say it ain't so, gee willikurs!). It's politics for the fools.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

In another thread you told me to turn in my card for watching this debate... and here you are spouting nothing more than expletives that contribute nothing to the conversation.

I'm contributing more than you and the game was boring.

grow a sack.

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Oh, and another thing. I really hate the undertone by the Obama/Biden ticket that "We care about the middle class. That's you, the voters. The other guys don't care about the middle class. They're only out for their own interests.". It makes me sick. I can see why they compare Obama/Biden to a communist government.

First, they're all out for their own interests (This is my jaded side coming out here). They're politicians. You have to figure they threw the notion that they were in it just to better the country out when they realized what it took to reach this level of politics. Do I think they're all out to fuck the country and line their own pockets with gold? No. They wouldn't have gotten into politics in the first place if they didn't give a shit, but you don't get this high up the ladder without looking out for number one.

Second of all, if the McCain side gave nothing to anyone but the super rich, chances are he wouldn't have been voted into office long enough to make a bid for the presidency. They're all out to please enough people to get the majority vote. All of them. The fact that Obama/Biden decided to pander to the middle class and just do everything they can to shove that thought into every head possible makes me want to just go watch Survivor or something. I'd put that kind of politics right on that reality show level. Maybe a little below it.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:21 PM

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:22 PM

Christ, here's she goes on being a mom again, avoiding the question for the fortieth time. Biden's been much straighter in his answers throughout the entire debate.

Now he's banging the dad card. C'mon.

He's a career scummer.

Sean

10-02-2008, 10:22 PM

I'm amazed the Democrats on this board like Joe and the Republicans (or the New Republicans aka Libertarians) like Palin.

PS. maverick maverick maverick

Clove

10-02-2008, 10:23 PM

In another thread you told me to turn in my card for watching this debate... and here you are spouting nothing more than expletives that contribute nothing to the conversation.Wow, look at Back giving the cheerleader tips on contributing.

It's like the immovable object meeting the irresistible force.

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:24 PM

Palin hit the Mom bit...only logical. Politicians repeat stupid humanizing cliches, Sean. Sorta like that lameass McCain/Obama wristband crap.

(Biden would NOT have been my VP choice)

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 10:25 PM

35 years in public office eh teddy jr?

And this is different from McCain how?

Other than 1 year of his life, McCain has been paid by the government.
If you're going to bitch about a candidate, at least find something unique.

You may be dumber than Palin, you darn maverick you.

Also, maverick, maverick, maverick.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:26 PM

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:26 PM

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:27 PM

So... you somehow like McCain despite his own fucking forever being corrupted by Washington time? I'm not saying Biden would've been my vp choice (I'd have gone for Webb... who would've fucking destroyed Palin) but... seems a bit hypocritical, Sean.

Neff,

McCain's side gives militaristic posturing, a healthcare plan that taxes stuff that's never been taxed, and some actually decent energy ideas to the non super rich...

...and the potential for pouring more money into Iraq and Iran.

Oh I'm not saying he didn't pander to the super rich at all. I'm sure if you dug through Obama's stances you'll see that he did as well. I'm just saying that that's not ALL that McCain has pandered to. Biden said it himself. 95% of the country is not in that bracket that McCain would give tax breaks to. If that was all he pandered to, I'm pretty sure he'd only have gotten a chance at 5% of the vote in any given election.

Sean of the Thread

10-02-2008, 10:29 PM

Get him real stirred up. Remind him that John Wayne's real name was Leslie.

;)

I'm sorry Sean... McCain's all about bailing out big companies and doing wars that don't gain us any benefits. The Republicans spend even more than the Democrats when they're in power. That bothers me.

What's wrong with bailing out companies for YOUR greater good what's wrong with wars for YOUR greater good? Even tho you may not realize it atm.

/shrug

Clove

10-02-2008, 10:31 PM

He's gonna say it... 4 more years of Bush.... say it. SAY IT!

Warriorbird

10-02-2008, 10:31 PM

Iraq wasn't for the greater good. Call me crazy but I believe in actually finishing off our enemies where they live if we're going to invade somebody.

Handouts for corporations that fuck up don't really help anybody in the end. It's just like welfare. Raising our debt even more so China and Saudi Arabia have more of us is pure stupidity when we're in a resource war with China and India.

Sean

10-02-2008, 10:32 PM

What's wrong with bailing out companies for YOUR greater good what's wrong with wars for YOUR greater good? Even tho you may not realize it atm.

/shrug

Sounds like you could use someone providing you health care for your own good.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 10:32 PM

I'm amazed the Democrats on this board like Joe and the Republicans (or the New Republicans aka Libertarians) like Palin.

PS. maverick maverick maverick

It's not so much liking Joe, but when you compare Joe to Palin it's easy to see he's more qualified. I mean, for fuck's sake, she gave a shout out at the debate like it's the MTV Music Awards.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 10:34 PM

What's wrong with bailing out companies for YOUR greater good what's wrong with wars for YOUR greater good? Even tho you may not realize it atm.

/shrug

In terms of the economy, government intervention is definitely necessary.

Also, you're exactly right about the war. Luckily, we managed to invade Iraq just before they launched that devastating WMD attack against us. Oh, wait...

Suppa Hobbit Mage

10-02-2008, 10:34 PM

I really dislike Katie Couric.

Snapp

10-02-2008, 10:37 PM

She's a "gotcha" journalist!!1

And it's probably my Delaware bias, but I like Biden.

Clove

10-02-2008, 10:37 PM

It's not so much liking Joe, but when you compare Joe to Palin it's easy to see he's more qualified. I mean, for fuck's sake, she gave a shout out at the debate like it's the MTV Music Awards.So shout outs reduce your qualifications? It really seems that you're confusing not liking a person's style or policies with whether or not they're qualified to implement those policies.

Back

10-02-2008, 10:39 PM

I would not say Biden kicked her ass. But I will say it is clear as day that he is far more qualified to be VP than her under any administration.

Plus, I think she would be far more suited to the Obama campaign.

I can’t wait for Gwen’s assessment.

Back

10-02-2008, 10:40 PM

Wow, look at Back giving the cheerleader tips on contributing.

It's like the immovable object meeting the irresistible force.

Look at our post counts in this thread and tell me with a straight face who was cheerleading.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 10:41 PM

She's been coached to string together sound bites (shining city on a hill!) with baby talk (Oh Joe, say it ain't so, gee willikurs!). It's politics for the fools.
"Hope and Change!" worked on you.

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:42 PM

"Hope and Change!" worked on you.

YES WE CAN! YES WE CAN!

:P

Clove

10-02-2008, 10:42 PM

Look at our post counts in this thread and tell me with a straight face who was cheerleading.You're really dumber than a bag of hammers. Sean of the Thread is the cheerleader, and that's what I fucking said. Will please take an English as a Second Language class before you start talking shit again?

Mabus

10-02-2008, 10:44 PM

Other than 1 year of his life, McCain has been paid by the government.

So you are counting him being the child of a military man, and being in the military as "paid by the government"?

I just want to know, as this would have to be the lamest Dem comment I have seen yet.

Audriana

10-02-2008, 10:46 PM

"He is the man we need to leave"

tehehe...

Mabus

10-02-2008, 10:46 PM

I would not say Biden kicked her ass.
Tired of lying already?

I don't think anyone "won". I think they both had jobs to do, and they both did them.

Back

10-02-2008, 10:47 PM

You're really dumber than a bag of hammers. Sean of the Thread is the cheerleader, and that's what I fucking said. Will please take an English as a Second Language class before you start talking shit again?

As soon as you learn how to use it properly maybe people will understand what you actually mean.

And seriously, put the coffee down and take a few deep breaths.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 10:47 PM

tehehe...
I also liked just before the debate started, Palin said, "Hey, can I call you Joe?"

A little barb about the Obama "John" comments.

ElanthianSiren

10-02-2008, 10:50 PM

I thought they both did poorly. The "he starrrrrrves his folks!" esque lines were making me nuts though. :banghead:

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 10:50 PM

So you are counting him being the child of a military man, and being in the military as "paid by the government"?

I just want to know, as this would have to be the lamest Dem comment I have seen yet.

Lame? How? He doesn't come from a family that has done anything other than live off of government cheese and he himself really never has either, but somehow he can relate to those who haven't?

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:51 PM

I thought they both did poorly. The "he starrrrrrves his folks!" esque lines were making me nuts though. :banghead:

Completely agreed.

Malvadere

10-02-2008, 10:51 PM

I think it's important to point out that Biden was only wearing a flag pin. Palin had the jewel studded brooch of the American flag, and it was sparkly! The choice is obvious.

Moist Happenings

10-02-2008, 10:52 PM

I think it's important to point out that Biden was only wearing a flag pin. Palin had the jewel studded brooch of the American flag, and it was sparkly! The choice is obvious.

Palin has nicer breasts.

That's how we should have the next vice presidential debate. Wet T-shirt contest.

That way everyone's a winner.

Edited because I misread the initial post. I still think we should give this idea some thought.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 10:55 PM

Lame? How? He doesn't come from a family that has done anything other than live off of government cheese and he himself really never has either, but somehow he can relate to those who haven't?

You call being in the military during a time of war, being captured by an enemy during war, being imprisoned and tortured during a time of war "living off the government cheese"?

You should so say that in front of some military families and personnel sometime.

:club:

Mighty Nikkisaurus

10-02-2008, 10:59 PM

I don't think anyone "won". I think they both had jobs to do, and they both did them.

Holy shit, something I agree with Mabus on.

I don't think Biden could call this a "victory" just as I don't think Palin could.

Both did a strong job without any major gaffes or blunders (and any on either side I think were pretty much canceled out). I was pretty alarmed by Sarah Palin earlier these last few weeks, not by her lack of having politics that I agree with (I still don't agree with a lot of them) but by her not being able to articulate herself.. I feel much better about that given her performance in the debate and I'm sincerely glad to have seen that side of her come out.

Kefka

10-02-2008, 10:59 PM

I have to rewind my tivo. A pundit said she answered a question. I thought I saw the whole thing! :(

ClydeR

10-02-2008, 11:00 PM

There was something for everybody in this debate. If you think about this debate long enough, then you'll find a basis to justify your preexisting preference for one candidate or the other.

I don't think the debate will change many voter opinions. It might help McCain a small amount. The fact that Palin did not embarrass the Republicans might energize McCain's supporters, who have been demoralized lately.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:01 PM

Holy shit, something I agree with Mabus on.

Chocolate is a food group!:hug2:

waywardgs

10-02-2008, 11:01 PM

Back

10-02-2008, 11:03 PM

Tired of lying already?

I don't think anyone "won". I think they both had jobs to do, and they both did them.

How am I lying? Or perceived by you to be tired of doing so?

Please quote me and explain this because if I am and don’t realize it I would certainly like to know about it. Thanks in advance if you can.

I would say they both “won”, but on very different levels. How can I put this in the most delicate way possible... on a fresh face level Palin won hands down. On an experience level Biden won.

The most remarkable thing to me about this debate was they both showed they were both human, simple Americans and agreed on many things. This is why I think Biden would benefit McCain more than she would and that she would benefit Obama more than she is trying to do for McCain.

Ignot

10-02-2008, 11:12 PM

If you guys say so.

I love McCain's cock.

Fixed.

Also, how many times is she going to say "Maverick"?

DeV

10-02-2008, 11:13 PM

Palin did better than expected, and in the same token, did exactly as expected in other areas such as question avoidance and breaking out in speeches at random opportunities. She kept her talking points to a minimum and did her best to steer clear of subject matter seemingly out of her league. Her use of catch phrases was sort of annoying, but all in all I believe she did her absolute best given her circumstances.

Biden's facial expressions were practically non-existent throughout. As silly as it sounds, he really should have smiled more as the constant scowl was just fucking scary. His experience paid off especially when Palin attacked his record in the senate, he would immediately fire back attacking McCain's and adding additional information. I appreciate the fact that he attempted to answer every question thrown at him, and just like a lawyer he did his best to counter a lot of her points.

His show of emotion seemed geniune; family ain't nothin' to fuck with.

In summation, it was a solid debate. They both accomplished their respective goals. I give this round to Biden. Too bad there isn't a second VP debate; much more interesting than the Presidential, that's for certain.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

10-02-2008, 11:16 PM

Chocolate is a food group!:hug2:

DIAF you partisan bastard.

:hug2:

I mean.. ahem. :heart:

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:20 PM

You call being in the military during a time of war, being captured by an enemy during war, being imprisoned and tortured during a time of war "living off the government cheese"?

He was in the military from 1958-1981 and in Congress from 1983 until present.

You should so say that in front of some military families and personnel sometime.

What does that even mean? That saying McCain's whole life is based on government checks is somehow wrong or offensive? Sorry if the truth hurts, but he fought in a war and then came back home and continued his career of collecting government checks.

It does make sense how he could think the economy is strong when his paycheck from the government keeps coming regardless of what's happening in the private sector.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:23 PM

What does that even mean? That saying McCain's whole life is based on government checks is somehow wrong of offensive? Sorry if the truth hurts, but he fought in a war and then came back home and continued his career of collecting government checks.

There is a HUGE difference between being in the military of our country and receiving "government cheese".

If I have to explain why your post was offensive to military personnel and families then there is no hope you would understand.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:26 PM

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:28 PM

I thought Gwen Ifill did a fine job, and only one question (the one deailong with former Secretaries of State where she said "Baker" twice) seemed a possible gotcha.

I still believe she would be the best person to take over Meet the Press.

One cartoon from my local paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) that brought up her possible "conflict of interest". I found the media coverage of it reaching, wrong, and possibly a McCain campaign ploy in case Palin failed.

http://cleve.live.advance.net/images/darcy/100208.jpg

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:31 PM

That pretty much sums it up. Palin is only really getting positive marks because she didn't screw up as much as she has in all her other public appearances.
Which public appearances? She has drawn much bigger crowds then Biden could hope for, and is always well received and well spoken at public appearances.

If you mean the Couric interview, that is not a public appearance. It was a media event meant to draw viewers to a commercial network.

Back

10-02-2008, 11:31 PM

I still believe she would be the best person to take over Meet the Press.

One cartoon from my local paper (Cleveland Plain Dealer) that brought up her possible "conflict of interest". I found the media coverage of it reaching, wrong, and possibly a McCain campaign ploy in case Palin failed.

http://cleve.live.advance.net/images/darcy/100208.jpg

I agree with this and had not thought of it before now. She should seat Meet the Press.

Good call.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:34 PM

So shout outs reduce your qualifications? It really seems that you're confusing not liking a person's style or policies with whether or not they're qualified to implement those policies.

No, it's about being an adult. Is she going to give shout outs from the Rose Garden? Is she going to wink at foreign ambassadors?

So if you're style is mooning people you disagree with then that's acceptable because that's just your style?

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:35 PM

I agree with this and had not thought of it before now. She should seat Meet the Press.

Good call.
She was often a panel guest and contributor. Though she is an admitted Dem I have never seen her be partisan in her interviews or reporting.

I stated this first in a thread dealing with the death of Tim Russert, and still believe she would be a wonderful choice.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:38 PM

There is a HUGE difference between being in the military of our country and receiving "government cheese".

If I have to explain why your post was offensive to military personnel and families then there is no hope you would understand.

And the 25 years of Congress is what?

You've totally missed the point of the post - Sean compared Biden to Kennedy for being in Congress for so long and completely disregarded the fact that McCain has spent one year of his entire life living off anything other than a government pay check.

I think anyone will tell you there is a huge difference in job stability between a government job and the private sector, thus the "government cheese" reference.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:39 PM

No, it's about being an adult. Is she going to give shout outs from the Rose Garden? Is she going to wink at foreign ambassadors?

So if you're style is mooning people you disagree with then that's acceptable because that's just your style?
Obama gives a "shout out" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geSRuNtlg24).

So when is he going to moon us?

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:40 PM

And the 25 years of Congress is what?
Less then the time Biden served?

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:42 PM

Which public appearances? She has drawn much bigger crowds then Biden could hope for, and is always well received and well spoken at public appearances.

If you mean the Couric interview, that is not a public appearance. It was a media event meant to draw viewers to a commercial network.

In the "i don't know 5 weeks" or so that she's been the VP candidate she's uttered some truly ridiculous shit. Of course she's going to draw big crowds, the staff of every comedy show sends someone to collect quotes to save them from paying writers. So yes, I would say that not talking about being Russia's friendly democratic neighbor in the debate would automatically score her points. Simply put, she didn't screw up nearly as badly as many thought she would, thus receiving positive remarks despite the fact that she spent most of the time staring out her notes and dodging the actual question asked.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Obama gives a "shout out" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geSRuNtlg24).

So when is he going to moon us?

Oh, I'm sorry, was that at the debate?

No, speeches to supporters are vastly different in terms formality. Do you understand that?

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:44 PM

Less then the time Biden served?

Not at all, but I wasn't the one throwing a shit fit about it. That was Sean. Read the entire thread before randomly posting.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:46 PM

In the "i don't know 5 weeks" or so that she's been the VP candidate she's uttered some truly ridiculous shit. And Biden has plagiarized, lied, voted all sides with political winds, suggested things that were not true and believed that FDR was on TV as president in 1929.

Hell, Obama stated he had been to 57 states with 1 to go.

That isn't ridiculous?

Parkbandit

10-02-2008, 11:47 PM

I think the polls will generally say that Palin "won" the debate. I think she regained much of the shine she lost between her acceptance speech and this debate.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:49 PM

And Biden has plagiarized, lied, voted all sides with political winds, suggested things that were not true and believed that FDR was on TV as president in 1929.

And he actually answered questions tonight.

Hell, Obama stated he had been to 57 states with 1 to go.

That isn't ridiculous?

That's a slip of the tongue. He didn't spend a few minutes talking about the 57 United States of America, but Palin sure spent a few minutes talking about being Russia's good neighbor.

Mistomeer

10-02-2008, 11:50 PM

I think the polls will generally say that Palin "won" the debate. I think she regained much of the shine she lost between her acceptance speech and this debate.

It's all about setting the bar low. I think people are impressed that she didn't just stand there the whole time and talking about getting back to ya.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:51 PM

Not at all, but I wasn't the one throwing a shit fit about it. That was Sean. Read the entire thread before randomly posting.
I have read the whole thread, shit for brains.

Just because you believe the brave people in our armed services are only living off some government dole (or "government cheese" as you put it) does not make you correct.

Biden has been a Senator for 35 years. That's it. Nothing else. Biden has not gotten rich as a Senator. I respect Biden as a Senator. I respect civil service, almost as much as military service.

But has Biden been living off of "government cheese" in the Senate longer then John McCain? By your definition he has.

If you need further help in understanding the connection between your bullshit and what I posted, just ask.

Happy to help.

Mabus

10-02-2008, 11:55 PM

And he actually answered questions tonight.
They both did.

Neither "wowed" me, but they did what they were supposed to do.

That's a slip of the tongue. He didn't spend a few minutes talking about the 57 United States of America, but Palin sure spent a few minutes talking about being Russia's good neighbor.
Yes, slip of the tongue for Obama, idiotic if it is an opponent. Misspoke if Biden, lied if an opponent.

Judge all candidates equally, by equal standards, once in your life. Surely not this election, as you are already swept up, but sometime in the future.

Parkbandit

10-02-2008, 11:56 PM

It's all about setting the bar low. I think people are impressed that she didn't just stand there the whole time and talking about getting back to ya.

That's the way YOU would spin it no doubt.

Ravenstorm

10-02-2008, 11:57 PM

I think the polls will generally say that Palin "won" the debate. I think she regained much of the shine she lost between her acceptance speech and this debate.

Actually, hitting the major news sites, every one I've seen so far is that Biden won. This includes FOX news. Granted, internet polls aren't the most reliable but I expect that will be the general consensus.

Back

10-03-2008, 12:00 AM

I have read the whole thread, shit for brains.

Another example of how name-calling supersedes debate here on the PC.

Daniel

10-03-2008, 12:03 AM

I think the polls will generally say that Palin "won" the debate. I think she regained much of the shine she lost between her acceptance speech and this debate.

you're smoking crack.

Mabus

10-03-2008, 12:04 AM

Another example of how name-calling supersedes debate here on the PC.
The post in question quoted the poster saying "shit fit", and evading responses.

There are times where you must take things to the level of those you are addressing.

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 12:04 AM

I have read the whole thread, shit for brains.

Just because you believe the brave people in our armed services are only living off some government dole (or "government cheese" as you put it) does not make you correct.

And you keep picking one part of McCain's career and ignoring the rest. I referred to his career as a whole, not one part as a counter point to Sean's bitching about Biden's career.

Biden has been a Senator for 35 years. That's it. Nothing else. Biden has not gotten rich as a Senator. I respect Biden as a Senator. I respect civil service, almost as much as military service.

As do I.

But has Biden been living off of "government cheese" in the Senate longer then John McCain? By your definition he has.

If you need further help in understanding the connection between your bullshit and what I posted, just ask.

Happy to help.

What bullshit? Are you retarded?

Sean: Biden sucks, he's just like a Kennedy just sitting in Congress
Me: And McCain has been living off government cheese his entire life
You: <cry> he was in the military and he's a hero and that's not living off government cheese <cry> (You should have thrown in a "Leave Britney alone!!! there)
Me: Um, yeah, he's been in the military and in Congress for over 25 years so what's the huge difference in terms of his career and Kennedy and Biden?
You: <cry> He's a hero! Say that to a military family! <cry>

Look at it objectively - Bitching about Biden's time in Congress makes no sense when examine McCain's career. It's a fairly simple concept.

Mabus

10-03-2008, 12:06 AM

And you keep picking one part of McCain's career and ignoring the rest. I referred to his career as a whole, not one part as a counter point to Sean's bitching about Biden's career.

As do I.

What bullshit? Are you retarded?

Sean: Biden sucks, he's just like a Kennedy just sitting in Congress
Me: And McCain has been living off government cheese his entire life
You: <cry> he was in the military and he's a hero and that's not living off government cheese <cry> (You should have thrown in a "Leave Britney alone!!! there)
Me: Um, yeah, he's been in the military and in Congress for over 25 years so what's the huge difference in terms of his career and Kennedy and Biden?
You: <cry> He's a hero! Say that to a military family! <cry>

Look at it objectively - Bitching about Biden's time in Congress makes no sense when examine McCain's career. It's a fairly simple concept.
You made a bullshit charge that being a member if the armed forces was living off "government cheese".

Do you still feel that is true?

Back

10-03-2008, 12:07 AM

The post in question quoted the poster saying "shit fit", and evading responses.

There are times where you must take things to the level of those you are addressing.

You don’t have to tell us that. We already know.

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 12:07 AM

The post in question quoted the poster saying "shit fit", and evading responses.

There are times where you must take things to the level of those you are addressing.

Reading comprehension is your friend. I said Sean threw a shit fit. Not you.

You either just love taking things out of context to try and suit your needs are you just truly have no reading comprehension skills.

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 12:10 AM

You made a bullshit charge that being a member if the armed forces was living off "government cheese".

Do you still feel that is true?

No, I said that McCain had lived off government cheese nearly his entire life -
Miliarty, 25 years of congress. Seriously, learn to read.

And yes, when I worked for the government we all referred to pay day as "collecting government cheese." So yes, I would say that when the government pays you, you're collecting that government cheese.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheese

Mabus

10-03-2008, 12:14 AM

Reading comprehension is your friend. I said Sean threw a shit fit. Not you.

You either just love taking things out of context to try and suit your needs are you just truly have no reading comprehension skills.
I know what was posted.

This is a public forum, like it or not others will respond to your posts other then just those you were addressing.

You posted something I found offensive; that being in the military was somehow living off the government dole. I feel that such service is putting your very life on the line for the country you love, and I respect it enough to defend it. To take it further, you are denigrating the service of a member of our armed services that suffered greatly in the service of this country in that comparison.

I know, it is purely a partisan thing to you to make this statement about the military. To some of us, or at least myself, it is a slap in the face.

Bobmuhthol

10-03-2008, 12:19 AM

Palin is so bad. Am I right? I'M DARN RIGHT.

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 12:23 AM

I know what was posted.

This is a public forum, like it or not others will respond to your posts other then just those you were addressing.

You took offense to me referring to Sean's rant as a "shit fit" and started the name calling?

You posted something I found offensive; that being in the military was somehow living off the government dole. I feel that such service is putting your very life on the line for the country you love, and I respect it enough to defend it. To take it further, you are denigrating the service of a member of our armed services that suffered greatly in the service of this country in that comparison.

No, we obviously define "government cheese" differently. I know thousands of hard working people employed by the government that refer to picking up their pay checks as "collecting that government cheese." In other words, if you're getting paid by the government then you're getting "government cheese" (or government money) regardless of whether you do jackshit all day, work your ass off putting in 80 hour weeks, or put your life on the line.

I know, it is purely a partisan thing to you to make this statement about the military. To some of us, or at least myself, it is a slap in the face.

No, it's not partisan. It was reference that nearly all of his life McCain had been employed by the government with absolutely no reference to whether or not he deserved that money (personally, I think no amount of money could make up for 6 years in a POW camp). It was just simply refuting the argument that Biden has to suck since he's been in Congress his whole life. So if that makes Biden suck, then what does it say about McCain?

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 12:25 AM

Actually, hitting the major news sites, every one I've seen so far is that Biden won. This includes FOX news. Granted, internet polls aren't the most reliable but I expect that will be the general consensus.

Pretty sure that's why I didn't try to use an Internet poll to bolster my point.. since they are unreliable. I'm surprised you chose to.

waywardgs

10-03-2008, 12:56 AM

Fact of the matter is that Palin would get chewed up and spit out on the world political stage. That small town, gee wiz joe crap might get lapped up by some of the slavering, knuckle dragging ignoramuses in the american public, but if voters actually sent her out into the real world, it'd be a complete joke. This isn't Mrs. Smith Goes To Washington. Some former beauty pageant contestant wins a popularity contest in some ass backwards town in Alaska, somehow gets elected governor, and all of a sudden she's a hair's breadth away from sitting next to some of the shrewdest leaders and political power brokers in the world... they'd eat her alive, plain and simple.

It would be an embarrassment to have her as America's vice president. We should be trying to *rebuild* respect across the globe, not thumbing our noses to the international community by electing McCain with this trite, anti-intellectual bumpkin standing next to him. Her as the potential VP is an insulting proposition.

Apathy

10-03-2008, 01:21 AM

Were you all watching the same debate as me? I don't understand how you can be impressed with either of them, at all.

Mabus

10-03-2008, 01:24 AM

That small town, gee wiz joe crap
Like all the mention from the Senator from Delaware bringing up Scranton PA as his home?

From your post it is pretty easy to see that you are like the people that you say should be supporting Governor Palin. But your support seems to lie with a community organizer instead.

waywardgs

10-03-2008, 01:30 AM

Like all the mention from the Senator from Delaware bringing up Scranton PA as his home?

From your post it is pretty easy to see that you are like the people that you say should be supporting Governor Palin. But your support seems to lie with a community organizer instead.

You get no extra credit!

Oh, and my support is with a senator. It's not 1984.

Mabus

10-03-2008, 01:30 AM

You get no extra credit!
But you get a shout out to Rev. Wright!
;)

TheRunt

10-03-2008, 03:55 AM

And then there are some of us college edgeoumacated folks that have a clue.

Its edjumicated. Get it right asshole.

TheRunt

10-03-2008, 04:10 AM

"You're going to have to replace a 12,000 plan that you have now with a 5,000 dollar check that goes straight to the insurance company - I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere." ~Biden, 9:20.

He just tore her a new asshole on health care.

The average americans insurance cost 12G? Damn my nephew working at Mickyds is making more than me. Well not really but not that far of a stretch. And hell my highest medical cost year is only double that. But that was my wife giving birth to my daughter. By C-section. An my daughter being in the hospital for 5 days.

I would of been better off if my job paid me and extra 12 grand a year and no medical coverage.

So McCains plan works in my favor. By making companies not give health care insurance and giving higher wages instead.

Sean of the Thread

10-03-2008, 04:17 AM

Its edjumicated. Get it right asshole.

Oh yous one of dem IV leeg skollars.

TheRunt

10-03-2008, 04:18 AM

Lame? How? He doesn't come from a family that has done anything other than live off of government cheese and he himself really never has either, but somehow he can relate to those who haven't?

I'm sorry but serving our country in the military. And being a POW for 5 years is not living off the "government cheese"

Hell not including the time as a POW just serving in the military is not living off the cheese. No more than being a firefighter or policemen or mailman.

Living off the government cheese as you put it. I being on welfare your entire life. And I'm not sure but I believe that Obamas mom did receive welfare as a single mom in hawaii. So he would of been the one receiving the Govt cheese.

TheRunt

10-03-2008, 04:35 AM

It's not so much liking Joe, but when you compare Joe to Palin it's easy to see he's more qualified. I mean, for fuck's sake, she gave a shout out at the debate like it's the MTV Music Awards.

And when you compare Joe to Barrack it's easy to see he's more qualified. I'd be less conserned about the outcome of this election if it was Biden v McCain than McCain v Obama. Obama is closerer to Palin in terms of experience. I think the Dems have the ticket backasswards this time.

TheRunt

10-03-2008, 04:40 AM

Oh yous one of dem IV leeg skollars.

Yeppers I've got me one of them Gee E Dees

Clove

10-03-2008, 07:34 AM

As soon as you learn how to use it properly maybe people will understand what you actually mean.

And seriously, put the coffee down and take a few deep breaths.When people (instead of just you) have difficulty understanding what I write maybe you'll have a point.

Wow, look at Back giving the cheerleader tips on contributing.

It's like the immovable object meeting the irresistible force.I invite you to point out what was grammatically incorrect in the post above.

Clove

10-03-2008, 08:44 AM

I was impressed at how well Biden negotiated the image minefield during the debate. He appeared confident and engaged with Palin without even a whiff of condescension. Palin played off her "hockey-mom-turned-politician" persona to a T and while that may make people's eyes roll in my neck of the woods, it's one of the reasons she's on the ticket.

I think they both did their job. They looked good in front of the camera, played cheerleaders for their running mates and repeated their campaign's criticisms of their opponents.

They made good talking heads but I really don't think either of them did a good job at answering questions or being specific about solutions for our problems; something the moderator chastised them both for early on. Speaking of which I think the moderator was excellent.

I got sick of hearing "Maverick" about as much as I was sick of hearing "Wall Street/Main Street" in the Presidential debate. Palin gets a technical knock from me for overusing it. Biden gets a technical brownie point for not beating the "four more years of Bush" slogan while criticizing McCain. Biden made the connections but they were subtle.

For Palin my biggest cringe moment was when she stated "only been at this for 5 weeks." horrible choice of words and a horrible image to attach to herself.

For Biden my biggest cringe moment was when he suggested that we should adjust the principle of jeopardized mortgages. Words escape me (and you all know how severe something has to be to make me speechless).

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 08:59 AM

And when you compare Joe to Barrack it's easy to see he's more qualified. I'd be less conserned about the outcome of this election if it was Biden v McCain than McCain v Obama. Obama is closerer to Palin in terms of experience. I think the Dems have the ticket backasswards this time.

Well, Biden is certainly more experienced than Obama and McCain for that matter, but I wouldn't say that experience alone makes him more qualified.

I really think the Republicans just screwed up with the Palin pick. With a better running mate, I think McCain could have been in the lead at this point.

Keller

10-03-2008, 09:00 AM

For Biden my biggest cringe moment was when he suggested that we should adjust the principle of jeopardized mortgages. Words escape me (and you all know how severe something has to be to make me speechless).

Me too. I was jumping up and down angry. But the people with me didn't really see why that was so terrible.

Mistomeer

10-03-2008, 09:04 AM

I'm sorry but serving our country in the military. And being a POW for 5 years is not living off the "government cheese"

Hell not including the time as a POW just serving in the military is not living off the cheese. No more than being a firefighter or policemen or mailman.

Living off the government cheese as you put it. I being on welfare your entire life. And I'm not sure but I believe that Obamas mom did receive welfare as a single mom in hawaii. So he would of been the one receiving the Govt cheese.

When you wrote this, did you write the whole thing and then just randomly put periods in once you were done?

Daniel

10-03-2008, 09:07 AM

When you wrote this, did you write the whole thing and then just randomly put periods in once you were done?

Win.

ElanthianSiren

10-03-2008, 09:09 AM

For Palin my biggest cringe moment was when she stated "only been at this for 5 weeks." horrible choice of words and a horrible image to attach to herself.

For Biden my biggest cringe moment was when he suggested that we should adjust the principle of jeopardized mortgages. Words escape me (and you all know how severe something has to be to make me speechless).

For palin, mine was every time she tried to appear folksy and pretend she doesn't live in a multi hundred thousand dollar house in ALASKA. I wonder what that thing is worth in a mainland state.

For biden, mine was every time he would allude to Bush. I don't give a shit about Bush right now. Bush isn't running.

BOTH of them pissed me off by ducking and weaving. Palin more so because she chose to duck and weave abortion and poorly at that.

Combine that with nails on a chalkboard voice, and I'm definitely not voting for her.

CrystalTears

10-03-2008, 09:18 AM

For palin, mine was every time she tried to appear folksy and pretend she doesn't live in a multi hundred thousand dollar house in ALASKA. I wonder what that thing is worth in a mainland state.

For biden, mine was every time he would allude to Bush. I don't give a shit about Bush right now. Bush isn't running.
Meh, they both went with their campaign mantra. Palin with her "I'm one of you guys" schtick, and Biden with "we're not Bush v2".

I felt they both did well and did what they were supposed to do... cheer on their presidential candidate.

BOTH of them pissed me off by ducking and weaving. Palin more so because she chose to duck and weave abortion and poorly at that.Frankly had either of them spoke at length about abortion, it would have angered me. That's not an issue that VP's should be addressing (nor presidents, but that's besides the point).

This debate restored some of my faith in Palin and voting for the McCain/Palin ticket, as now it's down to the issues and not so much about not having confidence in Palin.

Ravenstorm

10-03-2008, 09:21 AM

Pretty sure that's why I didn't try to use an Internet poll to bolster my point.. since they are unreliable. I'm surprised you chose to.

It's when they all agree with each other, no matter what site they're on, that they become indicative.

Daniel

10-03-2008, 09:21 AM

Me too. I was jumping up and down angry. But the people with me didn't really see why that was so terrible.

I'd be interested to know what factors would actually "qualify" someone for a principal adjustment.

ElanthianSiren

10-03-2008, 09:24 AM

Frankly had either of them spoke at length about abortion, it would have angered me. That's not an issue that VP's should be addressing (nor presidents, but that's besides the point).

Actually Palin did since she's supporting broader powers of the VP within the legislative branch. Or did I totally mishear that?

Audriana

10-03-2008, 09:38 AM

Didn't read all the responses but...

She did a LOT better than I thought she would. But this is just the difference between knowing the questions beforehand, getting a cheatsheet, and being questioned fairly off the cuff. But you can coach a 12 year old to go toe-to-toe with Joe Biden in a debate and do pretty much just as well as Palin did last night.

She certainly used up all of her time on each question. She kept saying the same things over and over (if I had to hear the word Maverick one more time...). She only slipped into South Carolina a couple of times and even those weren't nearly as bad as that one clip of her and Couric walking down the sidewalk. But in the whole debate, she only answered 3 questions with satisfactory answers. The rest were just ramblings about mavericks.

Joe Biden was pretty funny too. He couldn't answer to the charges of him saying Obama wasn't ready to lead before he was the VP candidate, nor about him saying he'd not be VP under any circumstances. But I think I liked him much better than Obama. Some of his policies are certainly out there (abuse victims able to sue in federal court... don't remember reading that in the constitution). He was spot on about Cheney as VP. I didn't like that he didn't answer the question about how his views differed to Obamas.

Overall, the debate was just a suckfest for their candidate. Which I suppose there's no other way for it to be. What I wanted to come away with knowing was If Obama or McCain does kick the bucket, what kind of president will this person be. I didn't get that question answered for either of them. Well unless they'll be a president with their heads up the dead president's ass.

Although the ancillary question was certainly is Palin ready to be president. The answer is no. Biden could step in and take over, but I thought Palin was going to have a heart attack just thinking about McCain kicking it.

Clove

10-03-2008, 09:42 AM

Me too. I was jumping up and down angry. But the people with me didn't really see why that was so terrible.We had the same reaction then. It was a jaw-dropping moment for me. Personally I think he was shooting off the cuff but... damn.

Clove

10-03-2008, 09:44 AM

Actually Palin did since she's supporting broader powers of the VP within the legislative branch. Or did I totally mishear that?You might be right that expanded VP powers might imply more control over the legality of abortion; but I don't think that's the same as discussing the abortion issue (specifically) at length, or detail (which is what I think CT said would have pissed her off).

CrystalTears

10-03-2008, 09:46 AM

You might be right that expanded VP powers might imply more control over the legality of abortion; but I don't think that's the same as discussing the abortion issue (specifically) at length, or detail (which is what I think CT said would have pissed her off).
Correctomundo.

Clove

10-03-2008, 09:53 AM

For palin, mine was every time she tried to appear folksy and pretend she doesn't live in a multi hundred thousand dollar house in ALASKA. I wonder what that thing is worth in a mainland state.You may have a point, but you may as well be outraged at a leopard for having spots. Very few national politicians have lives that even remotely resemble the typical middle class family; but that doesn't stop many of them from trying to pull off that appearance (including Obama). It's just more of the marketing game we play with politics. Palin didn't invent the game, she's just playing it.

For biden, mine was every time he would allude to Bush. I don't give a shit about Bush right now. Bush isn't running.I found that irratating too, but to his credit I don't think he was nearly as obnoxious about it as Obama was during the Presidential debates. I think Biden actually made an effort to minimize the "Bush connection" in his arguments.

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 10:55 AM

It's when they all agree with each other, no matter what site they're on, that they become indicative.

I hadn't realized you were able to find all polling site last night right after the debate and make this leap. Weird, I just saw a poll on Drudge that was overwelmingly saying Palin won.

I guess when you say "all" you just some. Like I said, I'm surprised you would use such faulty methods to "prove" yourself "right"

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 10:57 AM

Keller

10-03-2008, 10:57 AM

Tsa`ah

10-03-2008, 12:06 PM

I heard Johnmccain.com also had a poll and Palin won that one, too.

As much as people like to dice it up over who won, most of those arguing have already made up their minds. Debates are not intended for us.

Since there's no real way to determine (outside of a meltdown or home run) who won any debate, we have to look at the polls ... until such a time that those that are truly undecided (because at this point it's mainly cocknozzles pretending to be undecided to get on television) exclusively participate in said polls.

At this point we won't know the "winner" until the polls accurately reflect last night's debate.

This would probably be a good time to plug McCain losing ground in key states, as well as losing ground in traditional republican strongholds. (http://www.electoral-vote.com)

Ravenstorm

10-03-2008, 12:08 PM

I hadn't realized you were able to find all polling site last night right after the debate and make this leap. Weird, I just saw a poll on Drudge that was overwelmingly saying Palin won.

I guess when you say "all" you just some. Like I said, I'm surprised you would use such faulty methods to "prove" yourself "right"

So you consider Drudge to be a 'major news site'? Oh, wait. I forgot who I was talking to. Never mind.

DeV

10-03-2008, 12:09 PM

(because at this point it's mainly cocknozzles pretending to be undecided to get on television) exclusively participate in said polls.

Pretty much.

BriarFox

10-03-2008, 12:18 PM

I think the polls will generally say that Palin "won" the debate. I think she regained much of the shine she lost between her acceptance speech and this debate.

ROFL. Check the morning news.

Tsa`ah

10-03-2008, 12:20 PM

He did ... Rush, Hannity, Drudge, Savage, and Fox.

From there the words get too big.

ElanthianSiren

10-03-2008, 12:39 PM

Because you were SO close to voting for McCain.................

Before he made his VP pick and went uber conservative, I actually was. She turns me off quite a bit, and though I like McCain, he can't make up for it. It's worth noting that this debate was my main litmus test, as Palin was rather shy about giving interviews.

It's also worth noting that my main criticism of bush has been his inexperience, which is why Obama's nomination mystified the hell out of me and put me off at the same time. If McCain had picked someone experienced and moderate, I think he'd be in a much better position after eight years of an extreme right administration.

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 01:40 PM

He did ... Rush, Hannity, Drudge, Savage, and Fox.

From there the words get too big.

Wow, Shit4Brains made a funny! Good job boy, I'll call your mommy and see if you can get an extra hour of cartoons tonight!

Tisket

10-03-2008, 02:03 PM

I have not read this thread at all so not sure if it's been mentioned yet but...did Biden get a facelift fairly recently?

He gets almost asian-looking eyes when he smiles and they crinkle strangely. Not to mention for a 72 year old, he somehow managed to avoid getting any wrinkles in the previous seven decades.

The debate was not kind to him during the close-ups. He is handsome enough from a distance, but when the camera zoomed in and showed him in an expression other than a neutral one, the skin around his eyes went all crazy and zipped back towards his ears. As one gets older the skin is supposed to get looser, not tighter. I just found myself waiting for him to smile so I could watch his skin stretch waaaaay back.

And just shut up everyone, I've stated numerous times already that I am shallow!

Keller

10-03-2008, 02:08 PM

Ravenstorm

10-03-2008, 02:40 PM

He did ... Rush, Hannity, Drudge, Savage, and Fox.

From there the words get too big.

Actually, even the Fox poll shows Biden the winner by 12%.

Tisket

10-03-2008, 02:40 PM

Once again, I don't know if it has been posted here yet but here is an interesting fact checking article about statements made by the VP candidates during the debate:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/10/03/ap5504865.html

Tsa`ah

10-03-2008, 03:55 PM

Wow, Shit4Brains made a funny! Good job boy, I'll call your mommy and see if you can get an extra hour of cartoons tonight!

You're soooo clever .... the netspeak, calling my ima. Of course this is a paradox, dating yourself and attempting to appear "hip". Who would have thought that you could come up with such a scathing insult in just under an hour?

Seriously, have you ever seen the Benchwarmers? You reminded me of Kilborn's character that had to think of an insult on the fly and came up with Gus Bus.

Clove

10-03-2008, 04:04 PM

I don't know why I bother watching political debates. There's much more incisive wit and clever political musings being tossed back and forth between PB and Tsa'ah here on our very own boards.

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 04:46 PM

You're soooo clever .... the netspeak, calling my ima. Of course this is a paradox, dating yourself and attempting to appear "hip". Who would have thought that you could come up with such a scathing insult in just under an hour?

Seriously, have you ever seen the Benchwarmers? You reminded me of Kilborn's character that had to think of an insult on the fly and came up with Gus Bus.

Once again, you show your stupidity. I'm going to clue you in Shit4Brains.. just because someone doesn't respond to you over the internet in an hour, doesn't actually mean they are looking at your stupidity and trying to come up with a response. Trust me, your 2nd grade level of humor isn't that difficult to respond to.. I just have to dumb mine down so it doesn't fly over your head.

I do hope you will respond to this within 2 minutes... otherwise you might think yourself dumber than most of us already consider you to be.

Gan

10-03-2008, 05:03 PM

Quite the funny thread to read.

Enjoyed the debate last night. No carnage where there should have been... that's a plus for Palin.

droit

10-03-2008, 05:11 PM

Quite the funny thread to read.

Enjoyed the debate last night. No carnage where there should have been... that's a plus for Palin.

It's a plus for gaffe-prone Biden, too. I was nervous he was going to say something inflammatory and give Palin the win by default. Luckily, he was well-restrained.

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 05:50 PM

I do hope you will respond to this within 2 minutes... otherwise you might think yourself dumber than most of us already consider you to be.

Are you still thinking of a response?

TheRoseLady

10-03-2008, 08:03 PM

Tsa`ah

10-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Once again, you show your stupidity. I'm going to clue you in Shit4Brains.. just because someone doesn't respond to you over the internet in an hour, doesn't actually mean they are looking at your stupidity and trying to come up with a response. Trust me, your 2nd grade level of humor isn't that difficult to respond to.. I just have to dumb mine down so it doesn't fly over your head.

I do hope you will respond to this within 2 minutes... otherwise you might think yourself dumber than most of us already consider you to be.

LO frickin L.

Dude, you were logged in and responding to my post at 11:51 server time. I can't help it that you're slow in thought and easily distracted.

Parkbandit

10-03-2008, 10:49 PM

LO frickin L.

Dude, you were logged in and responding to my post at 11:51 server time. I can't help it that you're slow in thought and easily distracted.

While I can understand your infatuation with me, the opposite isn't close to being true. Unlike you, I'm not specifically looking for your posts so I can post a response... you aren't worth my time.

LO frickin L is right. You are a joke, Shit4Brains.

PS - I'm logging off now, so please don't wonder where my response will be to your "witty" comeback to this post. I don't want you to wait and wait and wait, then post "Y R U NOT POSTING!? U R THINKING OF RESPONSE!?" like a fucking moron again.

Night Chump.