Media Attacking Palin About Wasilla Rape Policy

[ClydeR]

The media is attacking Palin again. This time they dug up something from when she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, more than 10 years ago. When Palin was mayor, Wasilla had a policy of charging rape victims for the cost of a forensic exam to collect evidence of the alleged rape. The cost of the exam was between $300 and $1,200 at the time.

Wasilla was the only city in Alaska that charged women for the exam, and the legislature got mad about it. They passed a law saying Wasilla couldn't do that anymore.

I don't see anything wrong with charging the person who wants the police to do an investigation and prosecute someone. People are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. There's no reason why the city should have to bear that expense just because of an allegation of rape.

Palin was able to cut property taxes, but raise sales taxes, in Wasilla by reducing silly city expenses.

I think this (http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt) is the original article that started it all.

[CrystalTears]

Did she instigate that policy or was it already in place?

[ClydeR]

Did she instigate that policy or was it already in place?

I don't know. She was mayor from 1996 to 2002. The legislature stepped in and change the law in 2000.

[Audriana]

Did she instigate that policy or was it already in place?

None of that is the point, CT.

They're bashing Palin! They should leave her alone, she's a good Christian woman and deserves to be scrutinized as she is today, not her previous decisions... She's the best choice, can't everybody see that? She should just be allowed to walk into the white house without a single question of any stance she's made on any topic, it would be correct either way!

Palin can do no wrong.

[CrystalTears]

I was initially curious if she had anything to do with that policy, but in retrospect, it doesn't matter because I find it odd that she would allow it to happen.

I believe the reason it was put in place was to lower taxes as it was costing the town a lot of money to investigate these rape cases, since Alaska has the highest rate of rape in the country.

She does seem to go against the grain when it comes to standard women issues such as abortion and rape.

[Parkbandit]

How many people were actually raped during her time as Mayor? Perhaps this wasn't an issue if it never came up. The town had what, 9K people in it? I doubt rape is a big crime problem for them.

[Drew]

I love how ClydeR pretends to be a republican supporter just to post articles smearing them.

Typical ClydeR post: <Terrible rumour about republicans.><ClydeR's defense of terrible rumour that just makes republicans look worse><Place frowny face in post heading>

[CrystalTears]

How many people were actually raped during her time as Mayor? Perhaps this wasn't an issue if it never came up. The town had what, 9K people in it? I doubt rape is a big crime problem for them.
True, I'm having a hard time looking for rape statistics under her term. And I certainly haven't seen of anyone having paid for the kit themselves.

Still, it's a pretty crappy policy, but Alaska isn't the only state to have it in place.

[ClydeR]

How many people were actually raped during her time as Mayor? Perhaps this wasn't an issue if it never came up. The town had what, 9K people in it? I doubt rape is a big crime problem for them.

But it was a big deal. According to the article that I linked to in the first post, the new law was going to cost Wasilla between $5,000 and $14,000 a year. That's money that could be used to give tax cuts. Also, that was more money then than it is now because of inflation.

Besides that, if the city started paying for the exams, you can bet that more women would start saying they were raped. It's easy to say that when you know it won't cost you anything. But if someone really was raped, then she would be willing to pay for the exam. Making women pay for the exams cut down on false reports.

It reminds me of that joke John McCain used to tell (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11823.html).


"Did you hear the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die? When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, 'Where is that marvelous ape?'"

[Parkbandit]

True, I'm having a hard time looking for rape statistics under her term. And I certainly haven't seen of anyone having paid for the kit themselves.

Still, it's a pretty crappy policy, but Alaska isn't the only state to have it in place.

Agreed.

Coming from a small town in NY, I can tell you there are TONS of retarded 'laws' on the books that no one knows about until it's actually brought to light.

[Parkbandit]

I love how ClydeR pretends to be a republican supporter just to post articles smearing them.

Typical ClydeR post: <Terrible rumour about republicans.><ClydeR's defense of terrible rumour that just makes republicans look worse><Place frowny face in post heading>


I used to think he was somewhat 'artistic' in his approach, but now it's just annoyingly retarded.

[TheEschaton]

Yeah, ClydeR has become rather obvious. :P

[Gan]

I live in Texas. You dont have to tell me about retarded laws...

[Clove]

But it was a big deal. According to the article that I linked to in the first post, the new law was going to cost Wasilla between $5,000 and $14,000 a year. That's money that could be used to give tax cuts. Also, that was more money then than it is now because of inflation...Wow. At an average cost of 750.00 a kit that's between 6 and 18 rapes a year for a town of 9,000?

ClydeR- you're not even amusing anymore.

[Parkbandit]

He's been obvious from the get go for me.. but at LEAST he was entertaining... posing as some religious right nut while actually a crazy loony liberal. He masked it relatively well at the beginning.. which is why I never believed him to be Stanley (he couldn't pull it off imo).

Nowadays though, even Stanley could do better than the idiot behind ClydeR is doing.

[Clove]

Still, it's a pretty crappy policy, but Alaska isn't the only state to have it in place.Like South Carolina, that only passed legislation against the practice this year?

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1177105.html

It may be a dumb policy, but unfortunately it isn't an uncommon policy in the United States. I might consider it a bad call by any politician that stood for it on their watch, but I wouldn't call them horrible public servants either.

[Tisket]

Crime stats for Wasilla: http://www.disastercenter.com/alaska/crime/35.htm

Trying to find the actual wording of the Wasilla ordinance and when it was passed but I have to get ready for work soon. Fucking work.

[Tisket]

Even at only one or two rapes a year...it's not like the city couldn't afford that cost. So it was a retarded ordinance regardless of, well, anything. Just be interesting to see the who/when.

[ClydeR]

Crime stats for Wasilla: http://www.disastercenter.com/alaska/crime/35.htm

Trying to find the actual wording of the Wasilla ordinance and when it was passed but I have to get ready for work soon. Fucking work.

Thank you, Tisket. Just as I predicted, the number of rapes increased right after they made it free to report a rape.

[TheEschaton]

lol, from 1 to 2. OMFG, 100% INCREASE!!!!!!!11one

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Thank you, Tisket. Just as I predicted, the number of rapes increased right after they made it free to report a rape.

Yeah because you should totally do all you can to discourage women from reporting a heinous crime that is already grossly under reported.

[Tisket]

Thank you, Tisket. Just as I predicted, the number of rapes increased right after they made it free to report a rape.

You moron. We don't yet know when the ordinance went into effect, nor have you considered the population changes during that time. Your statement is ridiculous. Much like yourself.

[Parkbandit]

lol, from 1 to 2. OMFG, 100% INCREASE!!!!!!!11one


:rofl:

Winner.

[Paradii]

Even at only one or two rapes a year...it's not like the city couldn't afford that cost. So it was a retarded ordinance regardless of, well, anything. Just be interesting to see the who/when.

The number of rapes does not necessarily equal the number of women claiming they were raped.

But, regardless, I highly doubt it would break the budget for the town.

[Kembal]

Yeah because you should totally do all you can to discourage women from reporting a heinous crime that is already grossly under reported.

That would be the real person behind ClydeR's point. The policy was discouraging reports of rape, which means there may not be a report of rape between 1996-2000. Certainly it's unlikely that anything changed that would cause more rapes to occur after 2001.

As PB said, it's gotten obvious that ClydeR is just a persona. But I'll give him credit here...we are actually discussing the issue. And really, it is pretty questionable that the town had this policy.

[Back]

Thank you, Tisket. Just as I predicted, the number of rapes increased right after they made it free to report a rape.

This statement really makes no sense to me. Are you suggesting that when women had to stop paying for the exams on their claims of rape that rapists thought “oh now is our perfect opportunity”?

If anything it probably empowered rape victims who as has been said before are less likely to report the crime. Thus the increase in convictions.

[ClydeR]

Now it's getting even worse. They're criticizing (http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2008/09/palin_comparison_x_biden_and_p.php) McCain for voting against Biden's bill 14 years ago that required states and cities to provide free rape kit exams as a condition to receiving federal funding.

I don't know why they can't see what McCain and Palin can. If you don't make women pay to report a rape, then there are going to be a lot more claims of rape.

Alaska already has the highest rate of rape reports in the country. Palin was wise not to make it worse.

[ElanthianSiren]

Allright... I just can't live with the sham anymore; I'm totally ClydeR. That's why I stopped posting for awhile. :(

[thefarmer]

Like South Carolina, that only passed legislation against the practice this year?

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1177105.html

It may be a dumb policy, but unfortunately it isn't an uncommon policy in the United States. I might consider it a bad call by any politician that stood for it on their watch, but I wouldn't call them horrible public servants either.

Psst.. NC...

[Parkbandit]

Allright... I just can't live with the sham anymore; I'm totally ClydeR. That's why I stopped posting for awhile. :(
Sure

[ClydeR]

At last there is some light to shine on this dispute (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75453). The "rape kits" in question would have contained morning after contraception (a form of abortion).

And it all ties into the "troopergate" scandal. Contrary to claims by assorted liberals, the reason that Palin fired the head of the Alaska troopers had nothing to do with the fact that he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law. The reason she says she fired him (http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/527346.html) was because he was going to try to get federal funding to combat sexual assault in Alaska, which has the highest rape rate of any state in the nation.

The above revelations should put an end to both the "rape kit" and "troopergate" smear campaigns that Certain People are perpetuating on the internets.

[Gelston]

Cool, BF2 is up. Anyone else want to play?

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

At last there is some light to shine on this dispute (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75453). The "rape kits" in question would have contained morning after contraception (a form of abortion).

And it all ties into the "troopergate" scandal. Contrary to claims by assorted liberals, the reason that Palin fired the head of the Alaska troopers had nothing to do with the fact that he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law. The reason she says she fired him (http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/527346.html) was because he was going to try to get federal funding to combat sexual assault in Alaska, which has the highest rape rate of any state in the nation.

The above revelations should put an end to both the "rape kit" and "troopergate" smear campaigns that Certain People are perpetuating on the internets.

While I know you are definitely fake, people who consider the morning after pill to be abortion need a frontal lobotomy with a sledgehammer.. because that would be on par with calling any guy that has masturbated "a serial killer" and women once-a-month murderers.

Oh, and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

[Gelston]

While I know you are definitely fake, people who consider the morning after pill to be abortion need a frontal lobotomy with a sledgehammer.. because that would be on par with calling any guy that has masturbated "a serial killer" and women once-a-month murderers.

Oh, and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

I kill many daily.

[Parkbandit]

While I know you are definitely fake, people who consider the morning after pill to be abortion need a frontal lobotomy with a sledgehammer.. because that would be on par with calling any guy that has masturbated "a serial killer" and women once-a-month murderers.


Actually, your comparison is retarded since abortion would be the killing of a fertilized egg/fetus.. and the other two examples aren't.

[ElanthianSiren]

The morning after pill doesn't kill a fetus per sa. It makes conditions in the womb unsuitable for implantation, so if you want to use that distinction, you have to say an embryo because it's not yet a fetus.

edit: in developmental terms, fetal status begins once major organs form.

editedit: Looking at pregnancy termination in terms of unfertilized gametes isn't really correct either. I more see the morning after pill like the many times you could have sex a month and not get pregnant due to prohibitive hormonal conditions.

editx3: the RU486 is the pill that causes the death of a fetus. That's a fun FDA discussion.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Actually, your comparison is retarded since abortion would be the killing of a fertilized egg/fetus.. and the other two examples aren't.

The morning after pill isn't the same as an abortion. The RU486 pill is the abortion pill.

It prevents implantation and will also prevent fertilization if it hasn't occurred yet (which is the most common scenario when taken soon enough, since fertilization rarely occurs in the moments right after sex but rather hours later)-- therefore if you're already "pregnant" meaning the egg is fertilized and implanted onto the uterine wall, then no, it's not going to do shit.

[Faent]

(1) Who would laugh if ClydeR's daughter got raped, and he couldn't afford to pay for the police department to gather evidence?*

(2) Who would laugh if ClydeR was robbed and the police department charged him out the ass to visit his house, take a report, take fingerprints, and gather evidence?**

(3) Who thinks ClydeR thinks more men should get away with rape?

(4) Who thinks ClydeR at least somewhat approves of men using their wives as their fucktoy slaves?

(5) Palin is very likely primarily opposed to the city paying for the rape kits, which they could *easily* afford, because they contained the morning after pill. Palin believes that it is morally impermissible for raped women to take the morning after pill because she is a fucking idiot with a malfunctioning brain.

(6) Because Palin believes it is morally impermissible for raped women to take the morning after pill, she, for some horrible reason, thought it would be a good idea to force women to pay the police to gather evidence in the state that has the worst rape problem in the country. Under her ass backwards leadership, Wasilla was the only city to do this. Fortunately, the state bitchslapped the fuck out of her.

(7) God is the greatest abortion artist of all time. Women naturally abort up to 50% of fertilized eggs. The rate of natural abortion skyrockets when women attempt to use, for example, the rhythm method of "birth control". Somewhat hysterically, the rhythm method is the only method of birth control the Romish Church approves of. ROFL.

* Noone. That would be tragic.
** I would.

[Parkbandit]

(1) Who would laugh if ClydeR's daughter got raped, and he couldn't afford to pay for the police department to gather evidence?*

(2) Who would laugh if ClydeR was robbed and the police department charged him out the ass to visit his house, take a report, take fingerprints, and gather evidence?**

(3) Who thinks ClydeR thinks more men should get away with rape?

(4) Who thinks ClydeR at least somewhat approves of men using their wives as their fucktoy slaves?

(5) Palin is very likely primarily opposed to the city paying for the rape kits, which they could *easily* afford, because they contained the morning after pill. Palin believes that it is morally impermissible for raped women to take the morning after pill because she is a fucking idiot with a malfunctioning brain.

(6) Because Palin believes it is morally impermissible for raped women to take the morning after pill, she, for some horrible reason, thought it would be a good idea to force women to pay the police to gather evidence in the state that has the worst rape problem in the country. Under her ass backwards leadership, Wasilla was the only city to do this. Fortunately, the state bitchslapped the fuck out of her.

(7) God is the greatest abortion artist of all time. Women naturally abort up to 50% of fertilized eggs. The rate of natural abortion skyrockets when women attempt to use, for example, the rhythm method of "birth control". Somewhat hysterically, the rhythm method is the only method of birth control the Romish Church approves of. ROFL.

* Noone. That would be tragic.
** I would.

(8) Who's laughing at Faent right now since he believes that ClydeR is real and not a retarded liberal pretending to be a religious right nutbag.

http://www.ronalfy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/hand_raising.jpg

[Faent]

(8) Who's laughing at Faent right now since he believes that ClydeR is real and not a retarded liberal pretending to be a religious right nutbag.

I do think ClydeR is real.

[AnticorRifling]

Anyone else having issues connecting to WoW?

I'm patching the beta portion and can't get past authenticating on live...Can you not run both at the same time?

[Parkbandit]

I do think ClydeR is real.


:rofl:

That's awesome.

Thanks for the laughs today.

[Parkbandit]

Anyone else having issues connecting to WoW?

I'm patching the beta portion and can't get past authenticating on live...Can you not run both at the same time?

The only thing I get is a pop up window asking me if I want to switch to the default settings.

[Tsa`ah]

Actually, your comparison is retarded since abortion would be the killing of a fertilized egg/fetus.. and the other two examples aren't.

In that case, any woman who has some sort of IUD/ring, dermal implant, or takes oral/intravenous contraception (birth control pills), and is sexually active ... potentially partakes in at least one abortion each month.

Are you understanding why your new nick name is short bus yet?

[Parkbandit]

In that case, any woman who has some sort of IUD/ring, dermal implant, or takes oral/intravenous contraception (birth control pills), and is sexually active ... potentially partakes in at least one abortion each month.

Are you understanding why your new nick name is short bus yet?

Even someone from a short bus realizes that nickname is one word. So now that you've proven that you are not even ready for a short bus, retard boy.. what's going to be your next revelation?

http://images.bigfail.com/i/f/10/00/081.jpg

[Clove]

In that case, any woman who has some sort of IUD/ring, dermal implant, or takes oral/intravenous contraception (birth control pills), and is sexually active ... potentially partakes in at least one abortion each month.

Are you understanding why your new nick name is short bus yet?Yes exactly. Without a definition of when a human being IS a human being and deserves full protection of its life we'll continue to have this problem. If you define a human as fertilized egg, then any deliberate action taken to destroy them would be a murder at worst, or manslaughter (embryoslaughter?) at best.

It's not retarded or intelligent, it's just a logical conclusion based on how the parameters are defined by the individual. We don't have a commonly held or agreed upon definition and who's to say someone is retarded for defining a human as a fertilized egg, or an infant capable of surviving outside the womb, or at the moment of birth, or a fetus with organs, or a fetus with limbs etc, etc, etc.

[Tsa`ah]

Even someone from a short bus realizes that nickname is one word. So now that you've proven that you are not even ready for a short bus, retard boy.. what's going to be your next revelation?

Three letters for you ..

L
O
L

[BigWorm]

Even someone from a short bus realizes that nickname is one word. So now that you've proven that you are not even ready for a short bus, retard boy.. what's going to be your next revelation?


Even for you, that was a pretty pathetic comeback.

[Parkbandit]

Even for you, that was a pretty pathetic comeback.
It wasn't a comeback, but an illustration on Tsa'ah stupidity. I wouldn't expect someone with your limited intelligence to understand that though.

PS - This post isn't a comeback either shit for brains.

[Daniel]

hahahhahahahaha

[Faent]

:rofl:

That's awesome.

Thanks for the laughs today.

PB, your opinion is worthless. You have the intellectual horsepower of a rotten tree stump.

[Parkbandit]

PB, your opinion is worthless. You have the intellectual horsepower of a rotten tree stump.


This was all you could come up with in 2 days? And seriously.. you shouldn't talk about intellect since you might be the only person on here who believes ClydeR is real.

[Daniel]

You probably shouldn't talk after you just layer down a "you must be stupid because you think nicknamed are two words" comeback.

Just saying

[Parkbandit]

You probably shouldn't talk after you just layer down a "you must be stupid because you think nicknamed are two words" comeback.

Just saying


:rofl:

Seriously.. I can't believe you can see over the bone stack you create here.

And what's "Layer Down" again?

You are King of the Stupid people Danny Boy. KING.

Wait... for old time sake.. tell us your story of why the US didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol again. I NEVER get tired of hearing that.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41lb-ov8blL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[Faent]

This was all you could come up with in 2 days? -PB

Yes. I fretted for days.

[Daniel]

:rofl:

Seriously.. I can't believe you can see over the bone stack you create here.

And what's "Layer Down" again?

You are King of the Stupid people Danny Boy. KING.

Wait... for old time sake.. tell us your story of why the US didn't sign the Kyoto Protocol again. I NEVER get tired of hearing that.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41lb-ov8blL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Totally got me.