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Atlanteax
09-09-2008, 01:04 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/mick_hume/article4709620.ece



To dump the apostrophe would be apostasy
No longer trying get words right would be the biggest spelling mistake of all
Mick Hume

When the president of the Spelling Society suggests we stop teaching our children correct English spellings, the riting should be on the wall.

John Wells, Emeritus Professor of Phonetics at University College London, claims that schools have problems with literacy because the “burden” of peculiar English spellings is “holding back children”. Sort of “don't shoot the messenger, shoot the words”. He wants schools to let pupils spell irregular words phonetically - so that their, they're and there could all become “there” - and forget the apostrophe.

For a champion of spelling to dump the apostrophe looks like an act of apostasy, an abandonment of faith. But Professor Wells is not alone. “Progressive” educationists have long complained that teaching spelling is elitist and discriminatory. Last month a lecturer from a new university suggested that students be allowed to use “variant spellings”.

Why do these people imagine that pupils are “held back” by the burden of spelling, while they somehow managed to crack the dictionary and become academics? This apparently child-centred approach turns out to be patronisingly demeaning, effectively teaching children that they are incapable of using language correctly and creatively.

Prof Wells claims that spellings used in text messaging and e-mail show “the way forward for English”. In fact, young people have always had their own informal formulations - although we had only a wall, not a worldwide web, on which to scrawl “we wuz ere”. But we were also made to understand that a different standard was required to communicate at school or work. Don't try to blame “da kidz”. The degradation of spelling and language today is legitimised from the top downwards.

You don't have to be a stuffy traditionalist to worry about all this. As a firm believer in irregular ideas, I also defend our irregular spellings. Language is always evolving. But if we want to understand one another - if only in order to disagree - we need universal rules for what different words mean, and this is often made clear through their spelling. If language is the instrument of thought, then sloppy language and spelling are the tools of intellectual incoherence. If we cannot even establish how to spell it, we have little chance of getting to the troof.

Of course, we all make spelling mistakes. But to abandon the attempt to get it right would be the biggest error. In one nonsensical proposal, the reformers suggest that we leave a space where an apostrophe should go. Wouldn't you still have to know where the space belongs? These ideas leave a space where the education should be.

Yes... discriminatory against the illiterate...

Khariz
09-09-2008, 01:06 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

WOW.

Nieninque
09-09-2008, 01:09 PM
Have heard a few people suggesting this over the last few months.

Bastards should be piled up on a bonfire and burned along with Guy Fawkes and the Pope on November 5th.

Fuckers.

Khariz
09-09-2008, 01:11 PM
Ahh come on, leave the Pope alone. This one is actually pretty cool. Fucker sitting down and chit chatting with Muslims and shit. He's one strange cookie, and I like him.

Audriana
09-09-2008, 01:12 PM
I never had a problem with There Their They're.

I have a good friend that every time she types, she confuses are and or...

'Do you want to go the bar are the movies?' - really annoying. She says it like that too, but you just don't notice it because they sound similar.

NocturnalRob
09-09-2008, 01:14 PM
shoot me in the fucking eye. that is full of retardation.

Khariz
09-09-2008, 01:16 PM
My wife has this problem that I correct constantly, but have stopped correcting at her request because she "is never going to stop saying it that way."

Here's what it is:

When our daughter needs to take a bath, she says "I'm going to go take her a bath". "I need to take the dog a bath".

I'm constantly explaining to her that the child is the one who needs to "take a bath" and that she is the one "giving the bath". Never sticks though, and now she just tells me to STFU.

Speaking of that...[invokes Beavis voice] Why do they call it taking a dump...

Tisket
09-09-2008, 01:17 PM
I'm somewhat grammar and spelling challenged and I still find this ridiculous.

Peanut Butter Jelly Time
09-09-2008, 01:17 PM
My wife has this problem that I correct constantly, but have stopped correcting at her request because she "is never going to stop saying it that way."

Here's what it is:

When our daughter needs to take a bath, she says "I'm going to go take her a bath". "I need to take the dog a bath".

I'm constantly explaining to her that the child is the one who needs to "take a bath" and that she is the one "giving the bath". Never sticks though, and now she just tells me to STFU.

Speaking of that...[invokes Beavis voice] Why do they call it taking a dump...

Tell -her- to STFU and crack a book now and then...

Miss Ismurii
09-09-2008, 01:18 PM
Srsly. That can't possibly go through.

Gan
09-09-2008, 01:20 PM
I think its retarded as well. I hope its a ruse.

Drunken Durfin
09-09-2008, 01:21 PM
I admit that I am a slave to the F7 key, but this is beyond stupid. Way to champion lowering the bar Profezor Wellz.

CrystalTears
09-09-2008, 01:50 PM
It's funny that this comes up. My boss was livid last week because her stepson got 100% on his paper even though there were dozens of spelling mistakes on it. She contacted the teacher and was basically told that since the assignment is not focused on spelling but instead content, that spelling does not hinder the grade.

We were all just as shocked as she was. Hell I remember getting spelling counted against me in biology. Not sure when it changed but it bothers me that it did.

Warriorbird
09-09-2008, 01:53 PM
I was evil the few times I got to grade papers while teaching. It was great fun.

BriarFox
09-09-2008, 01:56 PM
Historically speaking, the English language was once spelled phonetically. You'd have a number of different spellings for words, including personal names: Geoffery, Geffry, Jeffery, and so forth - and the owner of the name might even spell his name three different ways in the same day. After the advent of printing, language slowly became more standardized. That created a problem, however, because while printed language started to slow down and become regular, pronunciation and the spoken language still changed. After about 500 years, spoken English is now significantly different in some parts than written English. Doing what this fellow suggests has historical and logical bases. Nonetheless, the confusion a shift back would produce would likely outweigh the benefits.

NocturnalRob
09-09-2008, 01:59 PM
Historically speaking, the English language was once spelled phonetically. You'd have a number of different spellings for words, including personal names: Geoffery, Geffry, Jeffery, and so forth.

don't forget Jeffrey!

mutters...stupid two first names...

Khariz
09-09-2008, 02:05 PM
Nuclear or Nucular?

Aluminum or Aluminium?

Roflcopters.

radamanthys
09-09-2008, 04:32 PM
Great... an entire generation of idiots. Maybe Kensei was right about that virus... </heroesRef>