It's Biden

[Kembal]

Appears Obama has picked Biden, according to CNN and AP. Apparently the Secret Service showing up to Biden's house was the giveaway.

This isn't my first pick (that was Jack Reed), but if Biden can moderate his verbosity, it's a good one.

[Back]

Hagel would have been better. But, not bad.

[Hulkein]

I actually like the Biden pick.

[Seran]

Obama could do worse than a tried and true party-line voter like Senator Biden, especially in counting on his advocacy for stronger protections for battered women--considering Obama's lack of appeal with that gender.

However, Biden has a strong track record for being pro-war, which clearly Obama is not. Whether this will create some friction for their pairing, that will have to be seen.

[Mabus]

Obama will have to "change" some of his attacks now:

“You won’t hear me say this too often, but I couldn’t agree more with the explanation that Sen. McCain offered a few weeks ago. He said, ‘Our dangerous dependence on foreign oil has been 30 years in the making, and was caused by the failure of politicians in Washington to think long term about the future of the country,’ ” Obama said.

“What Sen. McCain neglected to mention was that during those 30 years, he was in Washington for 26 of them. And in all that time, he did little to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” Obama said.

Biden has been there since 1972, longer then McCain.

[waywardgs]

Obama will have to "change" some of his attacks now:

“You won’t hear me say this too often, but I couldn’t agree more with the explanation that Sen. McCain offered a few weeks ago. He said, ‘Our dangerous dependence on foreign oil has been 30 years in the making, and was caused by the failure of politicians in Washington to think long term about the future of the country,’ ” Obama said.

“What Sen. McCain neglected to mention was that during those 30 years, he was in Washington for 26 of them. And in all that time, he did little to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” Obama said.

Biden has been there since 1972, longer then McCain.

On the flip side:

"McCain has made no secret that he believes Obama's experience in public life ill suits him to handle the complex world situation into which the next president will immediately step. Biden, a serious politician with a far deeper resume than Obama, will complicate -- if not entirely blunt -- Republican attacks on the Illinois senator's readiness for office."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/obama_picks_biden.html?hpid=topnews

[Mabus]

On the flip side:
Another on the flip side:
Joe Biden pushed John Kerry to name John McCain as his Vice Presidential running mate in 2004.
________________________________________________
Sen. Joseph Biden, a senior Democrat, on Sunday urged Republican Sen. John McCain to run for vice president with the Democratic hopeful, Sen. John Kerry, in order to heal the “vicious rift” dividing America.

McCain, of Arizona, “categorically” ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.

“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.
_________________________________________________

If McCain was good enough for Biden, he is good enough for me!

[Back]

Does anyone actually have spare time, or patience, to suffer fools?

I suppose I do by visiting this forum. It’s entertaining in a narcissistic way.

[Parkbandit]

Does anyone actually have spare time, or patience, to suffer fools?



I think we've suffered enough from your posts.

[crb]

Obama will have to "change" some of his attacks now:

“You won’t hear me say this too often, but I couldn’t agree more with the explanation that Sen. McCain offered a few weeks ago. He said, ‘Our dangerous dependence on foreign oil has been 30 years in the making, and was caused by the failure of politicians in Washington to think long term about the future of the country,’ ” Obama said.

“What Sen. McCain neglected to mention was that during those 30 years, he was in Washington for 26 of them. And in all that time, he did little to reduce our dependence on foreign oil,” Obama said.

Biden has been there since 1972, longer then McCain.
My thoughts exactly... Obama has to change all of his campaign now.

Obama has voted for the white guy washington insider, how can he ask voters not to do the same?

In fact, this is probably already a campaign ad. Show Obama saying that line, cut to Obama choosing Biden, subtitle (Even Obama knows that experience counts).

It'll also of course bring up things Biden said about Obama in the primary, though if McCain chooses Romney he'll have the same problem.




Sen. Joseph Biden, a senior Democrat, on Sunday urged Republican Sen. John McCain to run for vice president with the Democratic hopeful, Sen. John Kerry, in order to heal the “vicious rift” dividing America.

McCain, of Arizona, “categorically” ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.

“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.

Is there video of this?

[crb]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes_analysis_3



The picks say something profound about Obama: For all his self-confidence, the 47-year-old Illinois senator worried that he couldn't beat Republican John McCain without help from a seasoned politician willing to attack. The Biden selection is the next logistical step in an Obama campaign that has become more negative — a strategic decision that may be necessary but threatens to run counter to his image.

[crb]

Thank god he didn't pick Bill Richardson, that was the only one I was scared of. Bill has tons of experience (including foreign policy), is moderate, is a govenor so has executive experience, and delivers the hispanic vote which would help throughout the west and Florida.

Biden is from Delaware, not a battleground, and he gives the RNC so much ammo while tripping up Obama's anti-McCain rhetoric.

[Parkbandit]

I think Biden is a high risk, low return pick.

*He's a professional Washington insider - So much for "Change and Hope" message. It also takes away one of the better positions by Obama that McCain is part of the problem since he's been in the Senate over the past 25 years... so has Biden.

*There are SO many quotes from Biden that will be used by the McCain camp... Obama's lack of experience, McCain is a great American and a good Presidential candidate, etc...

*Plagiarism charges that forced him to drop out in 1992 will resurface.

*Biden agreed more with McCain's Iraq policy than he did Obama's.



I think there were far more better choices for Obama to pick. I think this was one of the dumbest.

[Ilvane]

It's not an awful choice, but I agree with you guys in that he chose an insider.

So much for change.

I'm still undecided. I don't like either of them enough to be enthusiastic about voting for them.

I think McCain's running mate might make or break it for a lot of people.

Angela

[Stanley Burrell]

This is probably a strange thing to say, hold on...

http://fascistpsychlaws.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/hillary_tinfoil_hat.jpg

There we go. Does anyone feel this was particularly drawn out in order to draw attention to Obama. Because if it was, props.

[Stanley Burrell]

Question mark.

[Parkbandit]

It's not an awful choice, but I agree with you guys in that he chose an insider.

So much for change.

I'm still undecided. I don't like either of them enough to be enthusiastic about voting for them.

I think McCain's running mate might make or break it for a lot of people.

Angela


I think the story that came out a couple days ago that Hillary was never even considered for the VP slot will do far more damage than picking Biden. ALL he had to do was to put her through the process... but he didn't even do that.

Even my sister, a die hard crazy liberal, is still pissed off and will either vote for McCain or simply not hit the polls.

[Ilvane]

I agree PB. I think Hillary deserved *at the least* to be vetted.

All the Hillary supporters out there would have at least liked to see that. She ran a good campaign that was close, and she would have made history.

I still think it's sad. If Hillary couldn't become President(or even Vice President), what woman could?

Angela

[Parkbandit]

I agree PB. I think Hillary deserved *at the least* to be vetted.

All the Hillary supporters out there would have at least liked to see that. She ran a good campaign that was close, and she would have made history.

I still think it's sad. If Hillary couldn't become President(or even Vice President), what woman could?

Angela

Let's not get crazy.. it's not like Hillary is the most beloved woman in US Political history. She was HATED as much as she was loved. I think she would have been a horrible candidate.. but I hate to admit... better than Obama.

[Mabus]

I agree PB. I think Hillary deserved *at the least* to be vetted.

To paraphrase Obama's tactics when dealing with Hillary:
"F*** the bitch!"

If the Politico story on not even vetting her is true, and the major media picks it up, it could ruin his chances.

[sst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

There is your biden/obama add
McCain already got it out wonder what obama will come back with.

[Stanley Burrell]

McCain already got it out wonder what obama will come back with.

Not being McCain.

[crb]

It's not an awful choice, but I agree with you guys in that he chose an insider.

So much for change.

I'm still undecided. I don't like either of them enough to be enthusiastic about voting for them.

I think McCain's running mate might make or break it for a lot of people.

Angela
Consider McCain picking (or announcing as Sec. of State) Lieberman? With Obama picking someone so conventional and hamstringing half his anti-McCain attacks, McCain picking someone unconventional would hamstring the other half.

(can't really call him Mcbush if he has al gore's running mate can you?).

Plus I think all the independents, who will decide this race, would welcome it and support McCain.

[Insodus]

On the flip side:

"McCain has made no secret that he believes Obama's experience in public life ill suits him to handle the complex world situation into which the next president will immediately step. Biden, a serious politician with a far deeper resume than Obama, will complicate -- if not entirely blunt -- Republican attacks on the Illinois senator's readiness for office."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/08/obama_picks_biden.html?hpid=topnews

Having a partner with experience doesn't mean Obama now has experience by osmosis.

[Parkbandit]

Not being McCain.


THAT WOULD BE NEGATIVE AND SOMETHING BENEATH "THE ONE"!

He should come back with a double dose of "Hope" and "Change".

[Hulkein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

There is your biden/obama add
McCain already got it out wonder what obama will come back with.

He should run that ad pretty aggressively.

[Kembal]

He should run that ad pretty aggressively.

Doubt he will. He's low on cash until Sept. 5. Fun fact: Obama spent more on advertising in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign.

The best impression people will get of the VP candidates will be at the VP debate. And except for Ridge, all the other top picks would likely get torched in a debate by Biden. (Lieberman vs. Biden would be an occasion to make popcorn)

[Khariz]

(Lieberman vs. Biden would be an occasion to make popcorn)

I agree. That would be trippy.

[crb]

Doubt he will. He's low on cash until Sept. 5. Fun fact: Obama spent more on advertising in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign.

The best impression people will get of the VP candidates will be at the VP debate. And except for Ridge, all the other top picks would likely get torched in a debate by Biden. (Lieberman vs. Biden would be an occasion to make popcorn)
Not actually true, McCain has to burn through all his cash by the end of this month (or near enough as makes no matter), which is why he spent so much on the Olympics. He's getting 1 million a day or so, and when you factor in the deadline for donations, people may step up pushing him to 2m a day or so for the end of the month. All those donors who haven't yet maxed out, it is either now or never.

[Mabus]

Fun fact: Obama spent more on advertising in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign.

Another fun fact!

During that massive spending Obama's poll numbers went down!

Spend, Obama. Spend!

[Parkbandit]

Doubt he will. He's low on cash until Sept. 5. Fun fact: Obama spent more on advertising in July than McCain spent on his entire campaign.

The best impression people will get of the VP candidates will be at the VP debate. And except for Ridge, all the other top picks would likely get torched in a debate by Biden. (Lieberman vs. Biden would be an occasion to make popcorn)

Why is it that when a Republican raises money on a campaign, he's trying to buy the election.. but when a Democrat does it, it's some sort of referendum that the people have spoken?

[radamanthys]

Why is it that when a Republican raises money on a campaign, he's trying to buy the election.. but when a Democrat does it, it's some sort of referendum that the people have spoken?

Because dems think that their candidates speak for their highbrow 'progressive' ideal of saving the proles from tyranny, and that reps are speaking for some sort of evil cabal of world-running power-hungry warmongering zealots.

Where most reps I know just think that dems are idiots.

[Sean of the Thread]

Not a bad pick for Obama. But now I think McCain wins.

[Back]

Heh, this just in my inbox. For those of you who aren’t on the mailing list.


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[BigWorm]

Heh, this just in my inbox. For those of you who aren’t on the mailing list.

Obama’s presidential campaign will be studied by marketers and future generations of politicians alike.

So I signed up on Obama's site to bitch about his flip-flop on FISA and now I get shit like that 3 or 4 times a day. Unless e-mail spam is the future of marketing, I would have to disagree with you. For example, I got this one early this morning:


Charlie --

I have some important news that I want to make official.

I've chosen Joe Biden to be my running mate.

Joe and I will appear for the first time as running mates this afternoon in Springfield, Illinois -- the same place this campaign began more than 19 months ago.

I'm excited about hitting the campaign trail with Joe, but the two of us can't do this alone. We need your help to keep building this movement for change.

Please let Joe know that you're glad he's part of our team. Share your personal welcome note and we'll make sure he gets it:

http://my.barackobama.com/welcomejoe

Thanks for your support,

Barack


P.S. -- Make sure to turn on your TV at 2:00 p.m. Central Time to join us or watch online at http://www.BarackObama.com.

[crb]

Heh, this just in my inbox. For those of you who aren’t on the mailing list.







Obama’s presidential campaign will be studied by marketers and future generations of politicians alike.
That, is very true.

It is all marketing, brilliant marketing, but marketing. I just hope the typical impressionable young voted he has enthralled wakes up before November (or just is too hung over to go vote).

[Mabus]

Heh, this just in my inbox.
I just got this in my inbox:

You hear about Biden? You know what this means? Hillary Clinton is running in 2012.

[Warriorbird]

He could've done better. It wasn't the worst choice but I don't think it adds to his campaign. McCain gets an edge here unless he too picks a dumb VP (which is also highly possible).

[Kembal]

Not actually true, McCain has to burn through all his cash by the end of this month (or near enough as makes no matter), which is why he spent so much on the Olympics. He's getting 1 million a day or so, and when you factor in the deadline for donations, people may step up pushing him to 2m a day or so for the end of the month. All those donors who haven't yet maxed out, it is either now or never.

...have you looked at his CoH number? The campaign itself is below $25 million as of August 15. He's relying on the RNC's fundraising advantage, but not all of that can be used as coordinated spending. (in fact, I don't think any of it can be used as coordinated spending until after the nomination is official)

Yes, he has a high burn rate due to the deadline, but assuming he'll be running ads during the Democratic convention, he doesn't have that much in the tank currently. That ad that was referenced actually hasn't gotten much paid airtime yet.

[Kembal]

Another fun fact!

During that massive spending Obama's poll numbers went down!

Spend, Obama. Spend!

His national poll numbers went down, yes.

His poll numbers in many battleground states? They went up. :)

They're running a lot of state-based advertising right now, esp. Ohio. And of course, getting a major field operation spun up and ready to go.

[crb]

...have you looked at his CoH number? The campaign itself is below $25 million as of August 15. He's relying on the RNC's fundraising advantage, but not all of that can be used as coordinated spending. (in fact, I don't think any of it can be used as coordinated spending until after the nomination is official)

Yes, he has a high burn rate due to the deadline, but assuming he'll be running ads during the Democratic convention, he doesn't have that much in the tank currently. That ad that was referenced actually hasn't gotten much paid airtime yet.
25 million that he has to spend in a week and a half? I don't see a problem.



His national poll numbers went down, yes.

His poll numbers in many battleground states? They went up.

They're running a lot of state-based advertising right now, esp. Ohio. And of course, getting a major field operation spun up and ready to go.

Nope, he's lost a lot of battleground states too, see realclearpolitics.com

[crb]

He could've done better. It wasn't the worst choice but I don't think it adds to his campaign. McCain gets an edge here unless he too picks a dumb VP (which is also highly possible).
I think Biden is a good enough guy, I don't know enough about his own personal policies (though I assume he'll parrot Barack), but he has experience, well rounded experience, and is certainly presidential.

But as a strategic choice I don't really get it.

[radamanthys]

Heh, didn't Biden get caught plagiarising in law school at syracuse?

I suppose that's a loaded question. He did.

[Warriorbird]

That's always been murky.

What isn't is that he definitely plagiarized a British politician's speech word for word.

[Back]

And criticized Obama for being inexperienced.

[Kembal]

25 million that he has to spend in a week and a half? I don't see a problem.



Nope, he's lost a lot of battleground states too, see realclearpolitics.com

Hrm. Certain states went up (Virginia, Michigan), but other states did go down. You are correct.

25 million isn't enough to sustain a field operation. Giving Obama a 2 month headstart on that is going to hurt later.

[Gan]

Having a partner with experience doesn't mean Obama now has experience by osmosis.

Unless you mean in a San Francisco way...

[Gan]

I think the Biden choice is/was not his best move.

[Kefka]

Another on the flip side:
Joe Biden pushed John Kerry to name John McCain as his Vice Presidential running mate in 2004.
________________________________________________
Sen. Joseph Biden, a senior Democrat, on Sunday urged Republican Sen. John McCain to run for vice president with the Democratic hopeful, Sen. John Kerry, in order to heal the “vicious rift” dividing America.

McCain, of Arizona, “categorically” ruled out standing with Kerry, but Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he had no second choice.

“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.
_________________________________________________

If McCain was good enough for Biden, he is good enough for me!

I think anyone and everyone can agree he's not the same McCain from 2 years ago. Ever since he considered another run for president, everything from abortion rights to the meaning of torture has shifted towards a more conservative view. Even conservatives are wary and just waiting for the day he betrays them.

[crb]

I think anyone and everyone can agree he's not the same McCain from 2 years ago. Ever since he considered another run for president, everything from abortion rights to the meaning of torture has shifted towards a more conservative view. Even conservatives are wary and just waiting for the day he betrays them.
...no...

You've been listening to too many Obama speeches.... hint, Obama is trying to use pure repetition to paint McCain as changed and Bush2, the fact that he has to try so hard and often to do so should indicate to you what a monumental task that is considering Bush and McCain are so not the same.

[TheEschaton]

Are you trying to claim that the policies he's spouting now are not continuations of Bush policy, or that he doesn't actually believe them?

[crb]

Obviously there is some overlap between McCain and Bush policies, like there is some overlap between Hitler and Obama policies. Am I calling him Adolbama though? No.

The places where there is big overlap, such as immigration, free trade, etc, are good Bush policies, the places where there is no overlap (environment, stem cells, gitmo) are bad Bush policies.

If it is fair to call McCain the same as Bush it is fair to call any candidate the same as any other candidate from that same party. Ron Paul could have gotten the nomination and you'd still be saying "Ron Bush" or something like that.

[Kefka]

...no...

You've been listening to too many Obama speeches.... hint, Obama is trying to use pure repetition to paint McCain as changed and Bush2, the fact that he has to try so hard and often to do so should indicate to you what a monumental task that is considering Bush and McCain are so not the same.

Actually, it took a simple glance at conservative forums such as Free Republic to get a rundown on McCain's history. A simple search through their website will give you the actual articles and their livid response to his stance. If you think McCain's views haven't changed within the past 2 years, you haven't been paying attention.


Conservative Newspaper:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-caters-32to-gop-voters/
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/18/mccain-evolves-into-a-supply-sider/

And don't forget this little gem:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8245636/

MR. RUSSERT: It is interesting. The Washington Post put up these numbers. Hillary Clinton has an 81 percent approval among Dems; 55 percent approval amongst Independents; 20 with the GOP. You have a 59 percent approval with Democrats; 59 with Independents; and just 56 with Republicans. And what people point to--and this is an article in your hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, "At Odds With Bush. John McCain repeatedly has taken maverick positions that have put him at odds with President Bush's administration, and rankled his party's right wing. Among McCain's stances that differ from those of Bush: tax cuts...War...Domestic spending...Campaign-finance reform...Medicare...Drug importation...Stem-cell research...Environment...Patients' rights...Judicial appointments...2004 campaign," and particularly the rhetoric about John Kerry. The fact is you are different than George Bush.

SEN. McCAIN: No. No. I--the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues, the bulk--particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone's, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I'm particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I've been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.

Didn't even bring up Guantanamo Bay, Abortion, Waterboarding or Wiretaps.

[Daniel]

Obviously there is some overlap between McCain and Bush policies, like there is some overlap between Hitler and Obama policies.

Wow. You really are fucking crazy.

[Mabus]

Wow. You really are fucking crazy.
It does call up Godwin's Law, doesn't it?

[Hulkein]

The point is that two radically different people will have some shared policies, not that Obama = Hitler or anything close to that.

[Mabus]

The point is that two radically different people will have some shared policies, not that Obama = Hitler or anything close to that.
But the point could have been made without the Nazi/Hitler reference.

It could be stated that Obama shares GW's vision in Iraq, since Obama voted for the last funding bill, and that the US/Iraq currently publicized pull-out date of 2011 is about the same as Obama's.

There, without invoking Godwin.

[Daniel]

The point is that two radically different people will have some shared policies, not that Obama = Hitler or anything close to that.

You're in law school? Really?

[Keller]

But the point could have been made without the Nazi/Hitler reference.

It could be stated that Obama shares GW's vision in Iraq, since Obama voted for the last funding bill, and that the US/Iraq currently publicized pull-out date of 2011 is about the same as Obama's.

There, without invoking Godwin.

But it's so much more effective to just abuse hyperbole and pejorative rhetoric.

[Warriorbird]

I dunno, Daniel. It's funny... most of the wacko Republican types on here are/were really pretty cool in game. Parkbandit, Gan... both are pretty damn cool to play games with even if I'm mostly against every political viewpoint they hold. Virilneus though... his posting on the officials should've clued you in to the wavelength crb would be on.

[Khariz]

Actually, the biggest reason Hitler was a stupid example is that he is the polemic opposite of Karl Marx. That's the only reason though.

[Warriorbird]

Not the only reason don't you mean? You also fit into the politically nuts but cool as hell IG crowd, Khariz.

:P

[Khariz]

Not the only reason don't you mean? You also fit into the politically nuts but cool as hell IG crowd, Khariz.

:P

Thanks...I think...

Okay..yeah...not the ONLY reason. But the best reason! IMO.

[Mabus]

New McCain ad out, saying Hillay was snubbed because she told the truth about Obama.

"Passed Over" on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NrQ36Djf2E)

[Hulkein]

You're in law school? Really?

I only assumed you didn't understand his point given your response was that he really is "fucking crazy." If you elaborated more it'd help.


Actually, the biggest reason Hitler was a stupid example is that he is the polemic opposite of Karl Marx. That's the only reason though.

I thought that's what made the point stronger. Saying McCain is Bush III because of some shared policies is stupid because even very different leaders will have some shared policies. Isn't that what he was getting at?

[Parkbandit]

New McCain ad out, saying Hillay was snubbed because she told the truth about Obama.

"Passed Over" on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NrQ36Djf2E)

Awesome ad.

[TheEschaton]

That ad is brilliant, from a tactical standpoint. It'll have to be her campaigning against that ad, and I don't know if her heart is really in it.

[inso]

I'm not convinced the ad is so great. The only way it really works is if McCain picks the person who got the #2 amount of delegates as his running mate: Huckabee. Otherwise, the DNC can run pretty much the same ad in reverse and call him a hypocrite. Granted it's a far different scale, but same principle.

[Ashliana]

New McCain ad out, saying Hillay was snubbed because she told the truth about Obama.

"Passed Over" on YouTube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NrQ36Djf2E)

Makes no sense. Biden was very critical of Obama. Her attacks were more personal, though, whereas Biden was critical of him as a candidate.

[NocturnalRob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8

[ClydeR]

Makes no sense. Biden was very critical of Obama. Her attacks were more personal, though, whereas Biden was critical of him as a candidate.

I want to point out that Huckabee got the second highest number of Republican delegates. He deserves as much consideration for the Republican VP as Clinton deserved for the Democrat VP.

Furthermore, Huckabee said fewer negative things about McCain than Romney did. And McCain said a lot of harshly negative things about Romney but very few about Huckabee.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not convinced the ad is so great. The only way it really works is if McCain picks the person who got the #2 amount of delegates as his running mate: Huckabee. Otherwise, the DNC can run pretty much the same ad in reverse and call him a hypocrite. Granted it's a far different scale, but same principle.


I guess if you didn't watch the primary process unfold, you could come up with this conclusion.

[Daniel]

I only assumed you didn't understand his point given your response was that he really is "fucking crazy." If you elaborated more it'd help.


No. I honestly believe that he is fucking crazy if he thinks that comparing McCain to Bush is even somewhat comparable to Obama and Hitler. Anyway you look at the comment it's retarded.



I thought that's what made the point stronger. Saying McCain is Bush III because of some shared policies is stupid because even very different leaders will have some shared policies. Isn't that what he was getting at?

No. I'd wager that's not what he is getting at at all.

McCain, admittedly so, has many shared policies with President Bush. This isn't anywhere close to a tangential argument, such as saying that Obama is going to turn America into a socialist country because he knows people who follow social causes (A comparison you didn't seem to reject btw).

If you want to make the argument that McCain is somehow going to be *different* then bush, despite sharing some of the very same platforms, feel free. However, that doesn't mean that the two are not comparable.

Whereas, comparing Obama to Hitler is fucking ridiculous.

[Khariz]

Daniel and I are on the same page on this one!

I'm like....Obama....Hitler...does not compute.

[Hulkein]

No. I'd wager that's not what he is getting at at all.

Well I guess I just assumed that's what he was getting at because I didn't think anyone would actually compare Obama with Hitler. If that's what he's doing then I agree with you about him being crazy.


such as saying that Obama is going to turn America into a socialist country because he knows people who follow social causes (A comparison you didn't seem to reject btw).

I don't think Obama is going to turn the country into a socialist state if he wins.

[ClydeR]

McCain, admittedly so, has many shared policies with President Bush. This isn't anywhere close to a tangential argument, such as saying that Obama is going to turn America into a socialist country because he knows people who follow social causes (A comparison you didn't seem to reject btw).

"The only issues they agree on are education, immigration, Iraq, abortion, Supreme Court judges, Social Security, tax breaks for the wealthy, wiretapping, trade, healthcare, the Middle East, same sex marriage and Medicare," according to Stephen Colbert.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

I just want Huckabee as VP so we see him on Colbert more often...