Obama Backs off Tax Increases

[crb]

Say it with me now.... "Thank God."

As of today the campaign is saying instead of raising capital gains to 25 or 28% or higher, they only want to raise it to 20% and only for people making more than 250k

Also, instead of treating dividends like regular income, (aka like 35% or higher) only want to raise it to 20%. Also, only on people making more than 250k.

Payroll taxes, only 2-4%, instead of 12% said previously, only on people more than 250k, and phased in over a long long long time period.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867201724238901.html

They of course are painting these things as what they planned all along -- however it isn't some Republican machine making up the other figures... most of those were established by the Clinton campaign during the primary/debates.

I think rather obviously he has either seen the light or is pandering to the middle. I still worry of course, which Obama would govern when elected president. General Election Obama with amazing right-shift action. Populist Primary Obama with super socialist manuevers. Or Elite Chicago Liberal Obama complete with latte and crowbar.

[Parkbandit]

My hope is that he has seen the light, instead of just saying what normal people want to hear in order to get their vote.

[Daniel]

I find it funny, and telling, that you think Obama belongs to the Chicago elite when he was a state senator in one of the most depressed districts in the nation.

[Khariz]

I find it funny, and telling, that you think Obama belongs to the Chicago elite when he was a state senator in one of the most depressed districts in the nation.

OMFG Daniel, are you serious?

[Daniel]

Yes.

[Renian]

I wouldn't call this moving to the middle. I would call this realizing that he can't make such increases in a freaking recession.

At any rate, I most certainly approve.

[Khariz]

Yes.

If you don't understand that Obama was part of the Chicago elite, then that explains why you don't understand that his friends are socialists! You don't even understand who he associates with!

[Ashliana]

Say it with me now.... "Thank God."

As of today the campaign is saying instead of raising capital gains to 25 or 28% or higher, they only want to raise it to 20% and only for people making more than 250k

Also, instead of treating dividends like regular income, (aka like 35% or higher) only want to raise it to 20%. Also, only on people making more than 250k.

Payroll taxes, only 2-4%, instead of 12% said previously, only on people more than 250k, and phased in over a long long long time period.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121867201724238901.html

They of course are painting these things as what they planned all along -- however it isn't some Republican machine making up the other figures... most of those were established by the Clinton campaign during the primary/debates.

I think rather obviously he has either seen the light or is pandering to the middle. I still worry of course, which Obama would govern when elected president. General Election Obama with amazing right-shift action. Populist Primary Obama with super socialist manuevers. Or Elite Chicago Liberal Obama complete with latte and crowbar.

Obama was a child of a single mother who worked himself up, went to church weekly, and worked as a civil rights attorney--not the biggest bucks there--and has a total worth about 2.5% of McCain's (not his wife). And yet he's elitist!--especially compared to McCain, who ditched his crippled wife for a hotter, richer woman with a net worth of $100,000,000, whereas Obama worked as a professor in a university, albeit a highly prestigious one. Thank you for showing us the light!

[Daniel]

If you don't understand that Obama was part of the Chicago elite, then that explains why you don't understand that his friends are socialists! You don't even understand who he associates with!

You obviously don't know anything about Chicago politics.

[Latrinsorm]

You don't even understand who he associates with!BLACK PEOPLE.

And his pastor is RACIST.

[Trouble]

I'm glad to see he's backed off a bit. While I'd hate to see ANY tax increases, I know they must happen if we're going to do anything about our budget. We can't go on the way we are now without going bankrupt as a country. Yes, I'm probably uninformed politically and economically (see signature), so fire away.

:medieval:

[crb]

My god... Ashliana & Daniel are so fucking retarded.

I don't know which retarded post to quote in this withering response.

They're like... so blinded by Obama's ballsac when they're down there servicing him they can't see the reality of his situation.

Obama...

1. Is fucking rich, I don't care if he isn't as rich as McCain's wife, he's rich. He has rich well connected friends as well, see Rezko, his boneheaded mistake (cue Sheryl Crow's "Favorite Mistake").

2. Shops at whole foods, gets piano lessons for the kids, etc ,etc. Ya... he's a common man all right.

3. Lives in HYDE PARK (http://www.hydeparksecc.com/community.html). Obama does not live in the projects.

4. Was educated abroad.

5. Has a law degree from harvard -- nothing elite about that, no I was way off base.

What you dipshits don't realize is elitism isn't about how much money you have, even how much education you have, it is a fucking personality or social outlook. This extremely rich guy near here owns the largest used car dealership in the state of michigan, one of the largest in the country. Big on new cars too of course. The guy is rich as hell, but has dumpy dealership, dresses like a poor cowboy, and doesn't even drive a nice car. He, is not elite. Get the difference?

[Renian]

The guy is rich as hell

You are not your bank account.


dresses like a poor cowboy
You are not the clothes you wear.


and doesn't even drive a nice car.
You are not the car you drive.

YOU ARE NOT YOUR FUCKING KHAKIS.

[Gan]

Good news on the taxes. Lets hope he sticks with it if he's elected.

[Khariz]

You are not your bank account.


You are not the clothes you wear.


You are not the car you drive.

YOU ARE NOT YOUR FUCKING KHAKIS.

You don't think elitism involves an element of choice?

I'm an elitist in/and when it comes to Gemstone. I'm rich as fuck there, and act like it. I know other people who are rich as fuck, but you'd never know it looking at them or talking to them.

I'm an elitist, they aren't.

Barack Obama is an Elitist. That Cowboy Car Dealer that crb mentioned isn't.

Fucking Obama didn't even remember to NOT talk about Arugula to some poor mother fuckers he was talking to.

[crb]

WTF Renian, are you medicated? Or did you have a point? Because you seem to just be picking random shit out of my post and putting in random responses.

If you want to start a "Society is too materialistic" thread, by all means, go and do so. That isn't this thread.

[Gan]

I seem to recall the media calling Obama elitist at one point around the time he discussed 'a typical white person' and clinging to guns and religion.

By definition, any legislator (senator or representative) could be considered part of an elite group - no matter how humble they act or portray themselves. Either way he's definately not a typewriter.



Main Entry: elite
Pronunciation: \ā-ˈlēt, i-, ē-\ Function: noun Etymology: French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere Date: 1823

1 asingular or plural in construction : the choice part : cream (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cream) <the elite of the entertainment world> bsingular or plural in construction
: the best of a class <superachievers who dominate the computer elite — Marilyn Chase> csingular or plural in construction
: the socially superior part of society <how the elite live — A P World> <how the French-speaking elite…was changing — Economist>
d: a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence <members of the ruling elite> <the intellectual elites of the country> e
: a member of such an elite —usually used in plural <the elites …, pursuing their studies in Europe — Robert Wernick>

2: a typewriter type providing 12 characters to the linear inch
— elite adjective



elitist

One entry found.

elitism

Main Entry: elit·ism
Pronunciation: \ā-ˈlē-ˌti-zəm, i-, ē-\ Function: noun Date: 1947
1: leadership or rule by an elite
2: the selectivity of the elite; especially : snobbery (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snobbery) <elitism in choosing new members>3: consciousness of being or belonging to an elite

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elitist

[Ashliana]

My god... Ashliana & Daniel are so fucking retarded.

I don't know which retarded post to quote in this withering response.

They're like... so blinded by Obama's ballsac when they're down there servicing him they can't see the reality of his situation.

Obama...

1. Is fucking rich, I don't care if he isn't as rich as McCain's wife, he's rich. He has rich well connected friends as well, see Rezko, his boneheaded mistake (cue Sheryl Crow's "Favorite Mistake").

2. Shops at whole foods, gets piano lessons for the kids, etc ,etc. Ya... he's a common man all right.

3. Lives in HYDE PARK (http://www.hydeparksecc.com/community.html). Obama does not live in the projects.

4. Was educated abroad.

5. Has a law degree from harvard -- nothing elite about that, no I was way off base.

What you dipshits don't realize is elitism isn't about how much money you have, even how much education you have, it is a fucking personality or social outlook. This extremely rich guy near here owns the largest used car dealership in the state of michigan, one of the largest in the country. Big on new cars too of course. The guy is rich as hell, but has dumpy dealership, dresses like a poor cowboy, and doesn't even drive a nice car. He, is not elite. Get the difference?

You're a fucking idiot. The argument you're making can be applied to nearly ANY politician. They tend to be rich. The same argument you're making applies to all of the major candidates this time around. Romney? Millionaire. Clinton? Same. Senator. McCain? Even more so. MUCH, MUCH richer than Obama.

1) Obama isn't any richer than the other candidates. In fact, his opponents--McCain, Romney, etc, were FAR MORE WEALTHY. If he's an elitist, so are they. You're a FUCKING IDIOT.

2) Wow! Giving the benefits of being a relatively affluent politician to their kids? Unheard of! Not like Bush & Co. working for Enron and other energy companies, McCain marrying a super-millionaire, or Romney's multi-million dollar businesses. Obama worked teaching the constitution and volunteering in Chicago. You're right! He's an ELITIST! You're a fucking idiot.

3) You're right! For a democrat to not be an elitist, he has to live in Harlem! Not like Romney, whose mansion was built by illegal immigrants as he claimed he wanted to do something about illegal immigration! You're a fucking idiot.

4) Ooh! So was I, as a child of civil servants, as are many military families and numerous others. Doesn't mean shit. You're a fucking idiot.

5) You're right! Instead of being an accomplishment, working from a non-wealthy, single-parent home and establishing himself as a respected professor, he's ELITIST! You're a fucking idiot.

The republicans are the elitist party--NOT the other way around. Bush's tax cuts disproportionately affected who? The UPPER class. Obama's call for universal healthcare brings coverage to WHICH group, that isn't covered? The LOWER class.

You're a fucking, unequivocally, FUCKING idiot, Crb.

If Obama is elitist, then, as Gan says, every single member of congress is elitist. Except that Obama's competitors have much more money and a concern for the affluent, as opposed to the common, man.

[Kembal]

Piano lessons are elitist?

WTF? Are his kids required to play the drums or something?

[Renian]

You don't think elitism involves an element of choice?

I'm an elitist in/and when it comes to Gemstone. I'm rich as fuck there, and act like it. I know other people who are rich as fuck, but you'd never know it looking at them or talking to them.

I'm an elitist, they aren't.

Barack Obama is an Elitist. That Cowboy Car Dealer that crb mentioned isn't.

Fucking Obama didn't even remember to NOT talk about Arugula to some poor mother fuckers he was talking to.


WTF Renian, are you medicated? Or did you have a point? Because you seem to just be picking random shit out of my post and putting in random responses.

If you want to start a "Society is too materialistic" thread, by all means, go and do so. That isn't this thread.

...Neither of you have seen Fight Club?

I wasn't really making much of a point. I was just being funny, as somehow the example seemed to work.

Though I would point out that that car dealer you mentioned, just because he's rich and doesn't have a nice dealership/wear nice clothes doesn't immediately say that he's not an elitist. It just means he's frugal.

[Khariz]

...Neither of you have seen Fight Club?

I wasn't really making much of a point. I was just being funny, as somehow the example seemed to work.

Though I would point out that that car dealer you mentioned, just because he's rich and doesn't have a nice dealership/wear nice clothes doesn't immediately say that he's not an elitist. It just means he's frugal.

I was too busy thinking you were serious to be thinking about fight club. But I gotcha now, hehe.

[Renian]

Oh ok. :P

[crb]

You're a fucking idiot. The argument you're making can be applied to nearly ANY politician. They tend to be rich. The same argument you're making applies to all of the major candidates this time around. Romney? Millionaire. Clinton? Same. Senator. McCain? Even more so. MUCH, MUCH richer than Obama.

1) Obama isn't any richer than the other candidates. In fact, his opponents--McCain, Romney, etc, were FAR MORE WEALTHY. If he's an elitist, so are they. You're a FUCKING IDIOT.

2) Wow! Giving the benefits of being a relatively affluent politician to their kids? Unheard of! Not like Bush & Co. working for Enron and other energy companies, McCain marrying a super-millionaire, or Romney's multi-million dollar businesses. Obama worked teaching the constitution and volunteering in Chicago. You're right! He's an ELITIST! You're a fucking idiot.

3) You're right! For a democrat to not be an elitist, he has to live in Harlem! Not like Romney, whose mansion was built by illegal immigrants as he claimed he wanted to do something about illegal immigration! You're a fucking idiot.

4) Ooh! So was I, as a child of civil servants, as are many military families and numerous others. Doesn't mean shit. You're a fucking idiot.

5) You're right! Instead of being an accomplishment, working from a non-wealthy, single-parent home and establishing himself as a respected professor, he's ELITIST! You're a fucking idiot.

The republicans are the elitist party--NOT the other way around. Bush's tax cuts disproportionately affected who? The UPPER class. Obama's call for universal healthcare brings coverage to WHICH group, that isn't covered? The LOWER class.

You're a fucking, unequivocally, FUCKING idiot, Crb.

If Obama is elitist, then, as Gan says, every single member of congress is elitist. Except that Obama's competitors have much more money and a concern for the affluent, as opposed to the common, man.
I do not understand how you must function in a day to day way, it must be so hard for you. Why don't you take a break from the forums again?

Quite a few posts up I said this:



What you dipshits don't realize is elitism isn't about how much money you have, even how much education you have, it is a fucking personality or social outlook.

Obama is elitist, liberal arts college professors tend to be elitist, harvard grads tend to be elitist, lawyers tend to be elitist.

You're the one who brought income into this, infering that since Obama wasn't as rich as McCain's wife (to whom he married relatively late in life) Obama cannot possibly be elitist. You're the one who inferred being elitist was tied to wealth, since you established that was your criteria (not mine) I provided contra examples. That does not mean I follow your criteria since obviously the the same post you quoted I said I didn't.



The republicans are the elitist party--NOT the other way around. Bush's tax cuts disproportionately affected who? The UPPER class. Obama's call for universal healthcare brings coverage to WHICH group, that isn't covered? The LOWER class.


1. The tax cuts did not disproportionate favor the upperclass, I've proved this fallacy wrong numerous times on these forums. Keller has thusfar threatened to challenge me 3 times, but he always comes up impotent. No one else has bothered to even threaten to try.

2. Anyone who is a proponent of Universal Healthcare cannot be elitist? So, if you're a member of the government, and you think healthcare should be under your control as a member of the government, because you feel your decisions are superior to the decisions the common man can make for himself, this is not an elitist position?

Ash, read Animal Farm, there are animals and everything. It is almost a children's book.

[Daniel]

Yea. The guy who worked his ass off to get through Harvard Law is much more elitist then the guy who skated through the naval academy on his father's accolades.

[crb]

I know you've read his book, so you know he didn't skate through anything, and you know he didn't get any help from his father and even got resentment because of his father, and you know when he got into the most trouble he didn't even tell his father because he didn't want to let him down (the inference being, his father could not have helped him out).

Elitism is an attitude and a social outlook. It isn't that he went to harvard, it is that harvard breeds this kind of attitude. Get it?

But seriously... I can't believe that Obama's elitism is even up for discussion, I mean, this has been hashed out repeatedly over the last 9 months and even Obama's campaign would probably privately admit that he is (or was) elitist, hence the message changes.

[Ashliana]

I do not understand how you must function in a day to day way, it must be so hard for you. Why don't you take a break from the forums again?

Quite a few posts up I said this:



Obama is elitist, liberal arts college professors tend to be elitist, harvard grads tend to be elitist, lawyers tend to be elitist.

You're the one who brought income into this, infering that since Obama wasn't as rich as McCain's wife (to whom he married relatively late in life) Obama cannot possibly be elitist. You're the one who inferred being elitist was tied to wealth, since you established that was your criteria (not mine) I provided contra examples. That does not mean I follow your criteria since obviously the the same post you quoted I said I didn't.




1. The tax cuts did not disproportionate favor the upperclass, I've proved this fallacy wrong numerous times on these forums. Keller has thusfar threatened to challenge me 3 times, but he always comes up impotent. No one else has bothered to even threaten to try.

2. Anyone who is a proponent of Universal Healthcare cannot be elitist? So, if you're a member of the government, and you think healthcare should be under your control as a member of the government, because you feel your decisions are superior to the decisions the common man can make for himself, this is not an elitist position?

Ash, read Animal Farm, there are animals and everything. It is almost a children's book.

Again, your argument is simplistic, pointless and applies to Republicans MORESO than it does to Democrats. "Elitist" applies to essentially any politician, unless you're using a magical, bullshit definition not found in any dictionary--which is similar to your logic, not found in any text. You claim "I" brought wealth into this. Bullshit. You brought up tax rates to begin with, and then tried to pin Obama as elitist because he "shops at Whole Foods, lives in a nice place, and sends his kids to piano lessons." All tied to wealth. You're an idiot that sees exactly what you want to see.

After conveniently bringing up the fact that yes, compared to a regular joe-schmoe, he has wealth; but nowhere near as much as his competitors, you claim it's not about wealth and is instead about "outlook." An outlook that happens to disagree with yours.

Turning it around and using your same bullshit definition, let's say elitism IS about a simple attitude. For which group does the left advocate? The poor and the working man. Which group's goals does the right constantly try to further? The upper class. There's your elitism.

1) Prominent economists, as I'm sure you're aware, including almost a dozen nobel laureates, opposed the tax cuts, saying they would, I quote: generate further inequalities in after-tax income. McCain also opposed them, before dramatically flip-flopping the instant he became the nominee.

2) It goes to show that magical "fucking personality or social outlook" you seem to love. It shows that they care about the common and poor people of this nation--not just the top 10%. It's not about taking the poor person's choice away--it's about giving him the choice to MAKE in the first place. Healthcare is extremely unaffordable--the uninsured as a whole do not simply "choose" not to be insured. The democrats, by nature of their political platforms, are inherently non-elitist. They fight for universal civil rights, and helping reduce the burden of the poor while the right favors what?

[sst]

You obviously don't know anything about Chicago politics.

I have to 2nd this one.

Chicago politics are... we can say different than the rest of the country...

[crb]

Again, your argument is simplistic, pointless and applies to Republicans MORESO than it does to Democrats. "Elitist" applies to essentially any politician, unless you're using a magical, bullshit definition not found in any dictionary--which is similar to your logic, not found in any text. You claim "I" brought wealth into this. Bullshit. You brought up tax rates to begin with, and then tried to pin Obama as elitist because he "shops at Whole Foods, lives in a nice place, and sends his kids to piano lessons." All tied to wealth. You're an idiot that sees exactly what you want to see.

After conveniently bringing up the fact that yes, compared to a regular joe-schmoe, he has wealth; but nowhere near as much as his competitors, you claim it's not about wealth and is instead about "outlook." An outlook that happens to disagree with yours.

Turning it around and using your same bullshit definition, let's say elitism IS about a simple attitude. For which group does the left advocate? The poor and the working man. Which group's goals does the right constantly try to further? The upper class. There's your elitism.

1) Prominent economists, as I'm sure you're aware, including almost a dozen nobel laureates, opposed the tax cuts, saying they would, I quote: generate further inequalities in after-tax income. McCain also opposed them, before dramatically flip-flopping the instant he became the nominee.

2) It goes to show that magical "fucking personality or social outlook" you seem to love. It shows that they care about the common and poor people of this nation--not just the top 10%. It's not about taking the poor person's choice away--it's about giving him the choice to MAKE in the first place. Healthcare is extremely unaffordable--the uninsured as a whole do not simply "choose" not to be insured. The democrats, by nature of their political platforms, are inherently non-elitist. They fight for universal civil rights, and helping reduce the burden of the poor while the right favors what?
James Taggart

Oh, and the "elitist" definition I am using is...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist

Gan posted definitions for "elite" which are not the same thing. Anymore than a definition for "Capital" is a definition for "capitalist"

[Ashliana]

James Taggart

Oh, and the "elitist" definition I am using is...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist

Gan posted definitions for "elite" which are not the same thing. Anymore than a definition for "Capital" is a definition for "capitalist"

Obama doesn't fall under their definition, either. You were better off sticking to your magical definition of "he's elitist because I say he is, and it's politically convenient of me, regardless of the amount of sense it makes."

[crb]

What do I know? I'm just a typical white person who crosses the street when a black man approaches while clinging to my guns and religion and eating iceberg lettuce from walmart while not inflating my tires.

Sure, Obama isn't elitist in the least. Or perhaps I need to start using a synonym? Pretentious? Patronizing? Condescending? Arrogant? Snooty? Yes... I like snooty. Obama is a very snooty man.

In his own words lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8&feature=user

[Gan]

James Taggart

Oh, and the "elitist" definition I am using is...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/elitist

Gan posted definitions for "elite" which are not the same thing. Anymore than a definition for "Capital" is a definition for "capitalist"

The online webster version and the one you're espousing look pretty fucking close to me. If you are objective about it.


Emphasize the word IF.

[Khariz]

James Taggart



QFT

[Mabus]

At least he is campaigning hard for the presidency this week, and really showing the working man that he feels his pain, instead of taking off to some fantastic vacation to Hawaii that most of his hopeful supporters could not afford.

Oh, never mind.

[crb]

The online webster version and the one you're espousing look pretty fucking close to me. If you are objective about it.


Emphasize the word IF.
I think you misunderstand.

I said you posted a definition for "elite" which then Ash was using to define "elitist"

I said that is like posting a definition of 'capital' and extrapolating 'capitalist' from it.

The point being, believing in capitalism, is not the same thing as being and or having capital. And being elite, isn't the same thing as being elitist.

Shaq, for instance, I think is elite, but I don't find him elitist in the bit. Penn & Teller are elite, but I don't find them elitist. Drew Carey is elite, but again, not elitist. Jay Leno even.

[Parkbandit]

At least he is campaigning hard for the presidency this week, and really showing the working man that he feels his pain, instead of taking off to some fantastic vacation to Hawaii that most of his hopeful supporters could not afford.

Oh, never mind.

:rofl:

I think if there's one guy that deserves a vacation right now, it's probably Obama. This is as stupid as the liberals cracking on Bush when he's on 'vacation'.

[ClydeR]

I think you misunderstand.

I said you posted a definition for "elite" which then Ash was using to define "elitist"

That is an excellent point. I've been concerned that the recent political use of "elitist" was diminishing the military's traditional use of "elite." But you have now cleared that up, for me at least. I understand that some in the military are concerned that it is tarnishing their image.

[Daniel]

I know you've read his book, so you know he didn't skate through anything, and you know he didn't get any help from his father and even got resentment because of his father, and you know when he got into the most trouble he didn't even tell his father because he didn't want to let him down (the inference being, his father could not have helped him out).

Elitism is an attitude and a social outlook. It isn't that he went to harvard, it is that harvard breeds this kind of attitude. Get it?

But seriously... I can't believe that Obama's elitism is even up for discussion, I mean, this has been hashed out repeatedly over the last 9 months and even Obama's campaign would probably privately admit that he is (or was) elitist, hence the message changes.


I've read his books and I'm pretty damn sure that he skated through the Naval Academy. I'm not trying to prove that John McCain is elitist. I'm trying to show you how ridiculously stupid your assertations about Obama are.

[Keller]

Or perhaps I need to start using a synonym? Pretentious? Patronizing? Condescending? Arrogant? Snooty? Yes... I like snooty. Obama is a very snooty man.

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

Where do you, of all people on this forum, get off calling anyone else pretentious, patronizing, condescending, or arrogant?

You made my day. Thanks!

[Khariz]

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

Where do you, of all people on this forum, get off calling anyone else pretentious, patronizing, condescending, or arrogant?

You made my day. Thanks!

This makes the same logical error that so many other people make, even in this very thread.

Just because person B is Elitist, pretentious, patronizing, condescending, or arrogant, does not mean that Person A is NOT.

The best "reason" anyone has come up with for why Barack Obama is NOT an elitist in this thread is "LOL, this other dude is in elitist, not Barack". Sorry folks, that's not a reason. There's been scores of reasons given why he IS (and the fact that it's universally recognized as a fact, haha), and basically nobody has given any indicated at all about why he isn't (because there's no such evidence).

[BigWorm]

This makes the same logical error that so many other people make, even in this very thread.

Just because person B is Elitist, pretentious, patronizing, condescending, or arrogant, does not mean that Person A is NOT.

The best "reason" anyone has come up with for why Barack Obama is NOT an elitist in this thread is "LOL, this other dude is in elitist, not Barack". Sorry folks, that's not a reason. There's been scores of reasons given why he IS (and the fact that it's universally recognized as a fact, haha), and basically nobody has given any indicated at all about why he isn't (because there's no such evidence).

I'm pretty sure the point of his post was that you are a huge douchebag.

[Khariz]

I'm pretty sure the point of his post was that you are a huge douchebag.

I'll freely admit to that!

[Parkbandit]

I'm pretty sure the point of his post was that you are a huge douchebag.


You are pretty incorrect as usual.

[BigWorm]

You are pretty incorrect as usual.

Correction, he meant the crb was a huge douche but he should have included PB in with that too.

[Parkbandit]

Correction, he meant the crb was a huge douche but he should have included PB in with that too.

Wow, good one. I haven't heard the "I know you are but what am I" comeback in years.

[Daniel]

PB once again coming through in the clutch.

[Warriorbird]

Spouses of heiresses also tend to be elitist.

Politicians tend to be elitist.

There are things that speak against Obama's 'elitism' however.

Obama is the product of a single parent home.

I imagine the Indonesia to America shift resulted in a profound sense of alienation.

Like Bush he's experienced issues with substances... this gives him something in common with a lot of Americans.

Obama's work at PIRG, community organization work, and work as a civil rights attorney are diametrically opposed to what an 'elitist' Harvard Law grad would do.

[crb]

As much as I so horribly tire from discussion if Obama is elitist or not (obviously some people who always say no, no matter what the rest of the country things)... why did he become a community organizer?

Obama's campaign itself said he joined Wright's church out of politics, he was influential and Obama wanted the influence to run for office.

Would it be such a hard stretch to think he was a "community organizer" as a resume builder? Much like all those highschool kids join NHS because they think it'll help them get into college?

And even if he wasn't, helping people who are less fortunate than you does not mean you're elitist. It depends on why you're doing it and mostly what you think about those you are helping. Do you see yourself as a gift to them, do you think that you're the person they've been waiting for, do you think that with your help all their problems will vanish, or that they would have better lives if they followed your lead? Then ya, I don't care if you build a house a week for H4H. You're elitist. James fucking Taggart.

[Warriorbird]

Because assuming the worst about the opposite party is always the best tact?

I dunno... I found Bush the more human for his admitted struggle with substances. I like to hope that McCain does want a less divided America... he seems to be trying to sacrifice that for votes though.

[Back]

As much as I so horribly tire from discussion if Obama is elitist or not (obviously some people who always say no, no matter what the rest of the country things)... why did he become a community organizer?

That must be why you keep posting things about Obama.

Let me ask you this... are you aware of your community? Do you like your community? If you don’t, would you take steps to better your community? If you would, why and how? And if you really felt strongly about it would you be the most vocal and assume the burdens of helping your community?

These are honest questions and not meant with any disrespect.

[Parkbandit]

PB once again coming through in the clutch.

Not sure what you mean.. so instead of just calling you a retarded hypocrite, feel free to explain.