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Lieberman ‘on McCain short-list’
By Stephanie Kirchgaessner in Washington
Published: August 9 2008 00:35 | Last updated: August 9 2008 00:35
Joe Lieberman, the former Democratic vice-presidential nominee who has endorsed John McCain, is being vetted as a potential running mate for the Republican presidential hopeful, according to an adviser to Mr McCain’s campaign.
Mr Lieberman, who has campaigned for the Arizona senator, has long been considered an unconventional but plausible choice for Mr McCain.
Although Democrats have rejected Mr McCain’s image as a maverick politician, Mr Lieberman’s support for the presumptive Republican nominee has, much to the chagrin of his former colleagues, helped to boost Mr McCain’s reputation as a bi-partisan legislator with friends on both sides of the aisle. Mr Lieberman, a staunch supporter of Israel, could also help Mr McCain win over Jewish voters.
“[McCain] loves Lieberman. And he is on the [short-]list because Lieberman has never embarrassed anyone, never misspoken. The first rule is, don’t take someone who costs you votes,” said one McCain adviser.
But not everyone would be enthusiastic about Mr Lieberman being added to the ticket. While Mr Lieberman has staunchly defended Mr McCain’s support of the surge, the escalation of US troops in Iraq, and the lawmakers have teamed up on legislative proposals to combat global warming, the registered independent is aligned with Democrats on most other issues.
“Conservatives would be pissed as hell – I think you would have a revolt, but sometimes John does what John wants to do,” the McCain adviser said.
Another McCain adviser said that it was unlikely that the Republican candidate would base his decision on “tactical considerations”.
“He can be pragmatic, but on the biggest decisions he tends to favour his instinct for the bigger picture,” the adviser said.
Mr Lieberman’s office declined to comment. But when the senator was asked recently whether he would decline a request by Mr McCain he said: “It’s not going to happen”.
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Seriously doubt it would happen - but it does make for an interesting ticket. Especially to those who think that the President should be the opposite party of the VP.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:20 PM
I'd support Lieberman as VP. He's more conservative that McCain, as silly as that is, and it'll give McCain some moderate/independant votes.
It will get some jew votes. But not nearly all of them. And they are like only .01% of the population. Plus, its going to turn off all the jew haters and they are like 10% of the population. (wild guesstimate)
Stupid move.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 02:24 PM
I think this would be one of the most foolish moves McCain could do. I'm all for it.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:35 PM
I don't think it will end up being anywhere near as foolish as many of you think it will. It's not like Republicans are not going to vote for McCain. Throw in whatever Moderate/Independant/Libertarian/Democrat/Jew votes that Lieberman could garner, and you aren't looking at a foolish choice.
I don't see how he could do anything better than this, save maybe having his VP be a black woman.
The only way McCain is going to win is through voting fraud.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:37 PM
The only way McCain is going to win is through voting fraud.
Well, that's certainly what everyone will be screaming if he does, eh?
Amazing.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 02:38 PM
I disagree. Obama's made a lot of questionable moves... the first being throwing Wesley Clark under the bus. I consider this election about 50/50.
There's a lot of hate for Lieberman... and he's perceived as a traitor/somebody who'd do anything to be elected.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:39 PM
There's a lot of hate for Lieberman... and he's perceived as a traitor/somebody who'd do anything to be elected.
Yeah, I suppose that's probably a bigger factor than the weight I'm giving it.
Well, that's certainly what everyone will be screaming if he does, eh?
Amazing.
People only scream when they know they’ve been bent over.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:42 PM
People only scream when they know they’ve been bent over.
Or when they are democrats and don't know any other way to react when they lose.
Parkbandit
08-09-2008, 02:47 PM
The only way McCain is going to win is through voting fraud.
Hahaha... you are a fucking retard.
Or when they are democrats and don't know any other way to react when they lose.
Nice try. You know you sow doubt and you really should be ashamed. Because it is not only not clever or witty or funny but deceitful.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 02:49 PM
Did you hire Xcalibur to board play you or something, Back?
Hahaha... you are a fucking retard.
Hey, only 20% of the population is as old as you and McCain are and THEY FUCKING RUN THE POLLING STATIONS?
Conspiracy? You bet your ass it is.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:51 PM
Nice try. You know you sow doubt and you really should be ashamed. Because it is not only not clever or witty or funny but deceitful.
You do realize, it wasn't republicans committing the majority of voter fraud in the past few elections, right?. Who were the people registering and voting dead people and illegal aliens? Oh that's right...democrats!
If voter fraud didn't exist on either aisle, bush would have won by a landslide instead of a court decision. I don't think many democrats understand that. Doesn't mean democrats aren't much BETTER at voter fraud than republicans though.
Anybody who doesn't think at least SOME voter fraud happens in both parties is nieve, but to say that the republicans are worse about it then democrats is more than laughable.
Parkbandit
08-09-2008, 02:51 PM
Hey, only 20% of the population is as old as you and McCain are and THEY FUCKING RUN THE POLLING STATIONS?
Conspiracy? You bet your ass it is.
I'm just thankful that you are a die hard liberal Democrat.
CrystalTears
08-09-2008, 02:52 PM
The only way McCain is going to win is through voting fraud.
Of course, it couldn't be because the people felt he was the better candidate. It's always a conspiracy.
Did you hire Xcalibur to board play you or something, Back?
Nah. Its my day off. Just being a bored PC poster.
And you should never name names because they will summon the ghosts.
And never give your real name lest ye want to be summoned and caged.
Snapp
08-09-2008, 02:54 PM
Back, just :stfu:.
I'm just thankful that you are a die hard liberal Democrat.
All these years and you still can’t get it right.
I’m a communist. I’m an American. I’m a Capitalist. AND I’m funny. Sometimes. At least when people get it.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 02:56 PM
All these years and you still can’t get it right.
I’m a communist. I’m an American. I’m a Capitalist. AND I’m funny. Sometimes. At least when people get it.
You are a communist and a capitalist? Does that mean you are Chinese?
Of course, it couldn't be because the people felt he was the better candidate. It's always a conspiracy.
Tell that to the electorate. But I get it.
Parkbandit
08-09-2008, 02:58 PM
All these years and you still can’t get it right.
I’m a communist. I’m an American. I’m a Capitalist. AND I’m funny. Sometimes. At least when people get it.
Communists are now a big part of the Dumbercrat party. And weren't you calling capitalism evil? How can you possibly consider yourself a capitalist??
Nevermind.. don't answer that. You also considered yourself a political pundit and we've know how well that was received.
Finally, let's be honest, you've rarely ever been funny.
Communists are now a big part of the Dumbercrat party. And weren't you calling capitalism evil? How can you possibly consider yourself a capitalist??
An economic system cannot ever be given a philosophical or religious trait. I think you are confusing me with TheE.
Nevermind.. don't answer that. You also considered yourself a political pundit and we've know how well that was received.
Like I really give a shit.
Finally, let's be honest, you've rarely ever been funny.
Only because you fail at getting it. Or maybe because I fail at delivery?
All these years and you still can’t get it right.
I’m a communist. I’m an American. I’m a Capitalist. AND I’m funny. Sometimes. At least when people get it.
I like how you think you're funny when people are laughing at you, not with you.
I like how you think you're funny when people are laughing at you, not with you.
Thats so original. I wet my pants. I really did.
Nice to see you're hitting the bag pretty heavy this weekend.
I talked to Jesus Christ the other day and he told me you were a fool. Do you believe that?
PS. JC tends to Bogart.
I talked to Jesus Christ the other day and he told me you were a fool. Do you believe that?
PS. JC tends to Bogart.
http://alkali.colug.org/~kaha/buddy-jebus-420.jpg
Tell him I said hi next time you speak.
We’re all friends, right?
Borat: High-five.
ClydeR
08-09-2008, 03:37 PM
McCain promised Republican voters during the primaries that he would choose a pro-life running mate. Lieberman is pro-abortion.
McCain was pro-life until he ran for president in 2000. Then he switched to pro-abortion. Now he's back to pro-life, but many of us don't really trust him. If he really wants to win, then he had better keep his promise from the primaries.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 03:40 PM
If he really wants to win, then he had better keep his promise from the primaries.
Right...cause hard right republicans are going to Vote for Obama instead, or not vote at all and let Obama walk into the white house if McCain picks a pro-abortion candidate.
McCain needs Jesus as his VP. Wait, that won’t work either...
Hmm. Satan?
ClydeR
08-09-2008, 04:02 PM
Right...cause hard right republicans are going to Vote for Obama instead, or not vote at all and let Obama walk into the white house if McCain picks a pro-abortion candidate.
The Republican Party didn't have a good selection of presidential candidates this time. Most of the candidates were phonies. After clumsily lurching from candidate to candidate looking some sign of potential, they finally settled on the biggest phony of them all. McCain, as I have said repeatedly, has been less consistent on the issues than any candidate in my memory. He will say anything, take any position, espouse any cause, if he thinks it will advance him politically. McCain has taken both sides of just about any issue you can name.
Obama is a true believer in the crazy left wing liberal cause. He believes every crazy thing he says and has shown little practicality in adapting his views to political expediency. He wants the government to abandon our hard won assets in Iraq, let the Bush tax cuts expire, and make the government pay for health insurance as if we were Europeans or Canadians or Chinese or something.
Your choice in the two leading candidates is between a phony who might happen to do something you like if he is elected and a far left liberal who will do everything in his power to advance the liberal agenda if he is elected.
That's why you should consider Chuck Baldwin (http://www.baldwin08.com/), the candidate of the Constitution Party (http://www.constitutionparty.com/).
The Republican Party didn't have a good selection of presidential candidates this time. Most of the candidates were phonies. After clumsily lurching from candidate to candidate looking some sign of potential, they finally settled on the biggest phony of them all. McCain, as I have said repeatedly, has been less consistent on the issues than any candidate in my memory. He will say anything, take any position, espouse any cause, if he thinks it will advance him politically. McCain has taken both sides of just about any issue you can name.
Obama is a true believer in the crazy left wing liberal cause. He believes every crazy thing he says and has shown little practicality in adapting his views to political expediency. He wants the government to abandon our hard won assets in Iraq, let the Bush tax cuts expire, and make the government pay for health insurance as if we were Europeans or Canadians or Chinese or something.
Your choice in the two leading candidates is between a phony who might happen to do something you like if he is elected and a far left liberal who will do everything in his power to advance the liberal agenda if he is elected.
That's why you should consider Chuck Baldwin (http://www.baldwin08.com/), the candidate of the Constitution Party (http://www.constitutionparty.com/).
Comedic. Really. Thank you, CR.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 04:11 PM
Your choice in the two leading candidates is between a phony who might happen to do something you like if he is elected and a far left liberal who will do everything in his power to advance the liberal agenda if he is elected.
Exactly! That's why republicans are going to vote for McCain, regardless of his VP pick. Get a clue, dude. You vote based on who can win, not on the principal of things...at least I do.
If I was going to vote on principal, I've vote for Bob Barr. That's who I am. But since Barr can't win, I feel that I HAVE to vote for McCain. I'd rather preseve the status quo than become a marxist nation. Anyone who is a clear-headed thinker will do the same thing.
Being an objectivist, I realize that I can't necessarily mold reality beyond the realm of actual possibility. My vote will go to McCain because if I DO NOT vote, of if I vote for Barr, it just helps Obama get elected.
You do what you gotta do though, man.
Daniel
08-09-2008, 04:14 PM
Yea, clear headedness is believing that someone who believes in social policies is going to turn the country into a marxist nation.
Sure.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 04:20 PM
Yea, clear headedness is believing that someone who believes in social policies is going to turn the country into a marxist nation.
Sure.
He's going to do his damndest, bro. Obama doesn't just "believe in social policies". It runs about 100 times deeper than that. You can take some of Obama's speeches, and the words, books, and histories of his closest associates since his early college years on, juxtapose it with the Communist Manifesto...and feint from the similiarities (and sometimes exact quotes).
If Obama gets into office...I would be seriously worried about the future of this country. This isn't a scare tactic...it's just the truth. I'm not saying he CAN accomplish this stuff. I'm saying he WANTS to. That's still bad enough for me.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 04:23 PM
You're pretty paranoid. Are you sure you're not going to a Christian law school?
About all I expect out of Obama (if he wins) is us getting out of Iraq, some restored American confidence, and us not alienating every other nation on the planet.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 04:24 PM
About all I expect out of Obama (if he wins) is us getting out of Iraq, some restored American confidence, and us not alienating every other nation on the planet.
That may be all you GET out of Obama, but that's not all he wants to do.
Edit: It's not paranoia. It's a genuine desire to not have the state steal my money from me and give it to other people, and try to run my businesses for me. The state can fuck off. I want to reduce government size and regulatory power, he will increase it, ergo I don't want Obama in office. It's really that simple.
You're pretty paranoid. Are you sure you're not going to a Christian law school?
About all I expect out of Obama (if he wins) is us getting out of Iraq, some restored American confidence, and us not alienating every other nation on the planet.
Only about as paranoid as people (charlie sheen) worrying that bush was going to declare himself king and not step down... no wait... Charlie Sheen is way worse what am I saying.
in anycase, with Joe having been VP candidate before, and presidential candidate before in the primary, you can be pretty sure his closet is skeleton free. No slutty single moms to come forward about an affair and all that.
Daniel
08-09-2008, 07:13 PM
Edit: It's not paranoia.
Sure buddy.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 07:17 PM
Sure buddy.
Try reading and understanding the next part. I'm not stating an opinion here.
Daniel
08-09-2008, 07:38 PM
I'm sure you'd like to think that.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm sure you'd like to think that.
There's nothing to think about. Objectively verifiable truths are not opinions. Barack Obama's associations and the political ideals behind those people who have recorded speeches and written books...aren't exactly hard to directly compare to the communist manifesto.
When you read one, and find the same direct quote in the other...it's not a coincidence.
I'm sorry you have no retort but un-witty one-liners. Doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
Apathy
08-09-2008, 07:56 PM
He's going to do his damndest, bro. Obama doesn't just "believe in social policies". It runs about 100 times deeper than that. You can take some of Obama's speeches, and the words, books, and histories of his closest associates since his early college years on, juxtapose it with the Communist Manifesto...and feint from the similiarities (and sometimes exact quotes).
If Obama gets into office...I would be seriously worried about the future of this country. This isn't a scare tactic...it's just the truth. I'm not saying he CAN accomplish this stuff. I'm saying he WANTS to. That's still bad enough for me.
You're being completely silly. Like, Obama is the antichrist silly. Have you been ripping the bong with Backlash or something? Since when did you become so paranoid? Or are you just scared of black people?
Khariz
08-09-2008, 07:58 PM
You're being completely silly. Like, Obama is the antichrist silly. Have you been ripping the bong with Backlash or something? Since when did you become so paranoid? Or are you just scared of black people?
Classic.
Someone posts something and the reponse is "LOL whut a racist, lolz". Where did ANYTHING I posted have ANYTHING to do with Race?
I already addressed this with Daniel anyway, not gonna do it again.
Apathy
08-09-2008, 08:03 PM
Take out the loaded question at the end, and what I asked you still stands.
When the hell did you get so paranoid? I'd be impressed if anything you could produce as 'proof' for your argument held any more water than the antichrist hubub.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 08:14 PM
Take out the loaded question at the end, and what I asked you still stands.
When the hell did you get so paranoid? I'd be impressed if anything you could produce as 'proof' for your argument held any more water than the antichrist hubub.
Where do you see paranoia? I genuinly, honestly, don't understand where I have said anything paranoid. I'm not making shit up. What the fuck do you want me to do? You want me to paste speeches and book exceprts here and then type up pages from the manifesto and compare the two for you? I don't have time for that shit.
If you wanna check out an imflammatory book where a guy does basically all of that research for you though, you can check out that upcoming book Obamanation by Dr. whoever the fuck, the swiftboat dude. Keep in mind that I'm not getting my information from that dude, nor do I plan on buying his book, but the reason is, is that I've read the shit myself, and I already know what it says.
The only leap in logic I'm making is accusing Obama of sharing the opinions and political ideals of people that he associates with, rather than knowing for a fact that he actually has them. Not like he's going to admit to such beliefs, especially now. If you want to label me paranoid for accusing a guy of thinking the same way as scores of people that he has associated himself with for more than decades, then so be it, I guess I'll accept that.
Have a good day.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm just puzzled how someone trained in logic can't get how paranoid they're coming off.
The sky isn't falling.
Simple destruction of your entire premise:
Keating, Hagee, Moon.
Next!
Khariz
08-09-2008, 10:54 PM
I'm just puzzled how someone trained in logic can't get how paranoid they're coming off.
The sky isn't falling.
Simple destruction of your entire premise:
Keating, Hagee, Moon.
Next!
That has nothing to do with my premise. It has nothing to do with Obama, or his beliefs. Note even close.
I've never said the sky was falling. I never said I was worried about anything. I don't understand how by stating FACTS you can be being paranoid.
Let me repeat the facts: Obama and the people he associate with are socialists bording on marxism. Those are accurate labels. I am an objectivist capitalist. I don't want the country taken in the direction that he would LIKE to take it in, whether he ACTUALLY takes it in that direction is IMMATERIAL to whether or not I would want to vote for him.
There's no paranoia there, I just don't want it. I don't think it's the right course to steer the ship with. It's no big deal. If it happens, I'll adapt and survive. If it doesn't, it'll make me happier.
It's not paranoid to anticipate your opponents move, prepare to stop him, and actively campaign aganist him completing such a move. It's smart. It's in my best interests, the way I see it, to make sure McCain, and not Obama is elected. Looking out for #1 by using the facts and data provided to you is not paranoid.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 11:20 PM
Obama is not a 'Marxist.'
McCain is not a Moonie or a nutjob religious wacko.
Next.
The party of your 'objectivism' spends money at an even greater rate than Democrats do.
Khariz
08-09-2008, 11:32 PM
Obama is not a 'Marxist.'
McCain is not a Moonie or a nutjob religious wacko.
Next.
The party of your 'objectivism' spends money at an even greater rate than Democrats do.
What party would that be? You obviously don't know anything about me. Since there's no party that I support, I'm really not sure which one you could possibly be talking about. You may note that I'm not pro-McCain, so all this crap you keep saying about him means nothing to me. I'm only voting for him to not waste my vote by either voting for Obama, or not voting at all.
Here's the last thing I'm going to say in this thread:
There are only three ways that one could conclude that Obama does not think and desire to act like an extreme socialist:
1. Lack of literacy to be able to read the speeches, books, an other writings of Obama and his close associates. [I don't think you are illiterate]
2. Lack of ability to comprehend, analyze, and draw conclusions from said speeces, books, and writings. [I don't think you lack these abilities either].
3. Willful ignorance and/or lack of taking the time/effort to research this information for one's self to verify its truth.
I'm gonna have to go with #3. I've done it, and I know it.
This will be my last post in this thread, regardless of what it said hereafter. I've got nothing to prove to you, and I've tried my best to convince you to do #3. That's all I can do via an internet message board.
If you refuse to do #3 or do #3 and come to a different conclusion...you aren't the sort of person that I'd be capable of having a civil conversation with anyway, as your politics and ideas of the world would be polar opposite of mine.
Again, and I say this with sincerity: Have a great night.
Mabus
08-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Obama is not a 'Marxist.'
I would actually agree with that.
He does, however, support populist class-division in his rhetoric, and some of his proposed policies lean toward socialism.
Warriorbird
08-09-2008, 11:40 PM
I don't pawn people's views off on their religious advisor.
Campaign promises aren't reality.
I feel that McCain's spending will be far worse than Obama's.
Tax cuts matched with tremendous spending increases (that whole Iran bit) = spending enhanced.
I don't trust T. Boone Pickens to do my 'research.' You wouldn't write a legal paper citing him.
We can't avoid hideously spenthrift politicians... I'd rather the spending be on Americans versus enriching multinationals.
Kembal
08-10-2008, 12:55 AM
Pickens wouldn't be criticizing Obama. It's someone else who was associated with the Swift Boat stuff though. (Pickens has become a wind power advocate)
But yes, calling Obama someone who will turn the U.S. into a marxist nation is absolutely silly and is on borderline paranoia. Seriously, the Republican spin machine has succeeded if you believe a left of center politican is automatically a Marxist. Even though I'm a Democrat, I certainly don't believe that McCain will be turning us into a fascist nation, nor do I believe Bush has turned us into one.
This concept of projecting that a politician from one side of the ideological spectrum automatically represents the extreme of that ideological spectrum is beyond stupid.
We can't avoid hideously spenthrift politicians... I'd rather the spending be on Americans versus enriching multinationals.
Then you'd be right in line with Obama's projection of increasing Foreign Aid by $50b a year?
Pickens wouldn't be criticizing Obama. It's someone else who was associated with the Swift Boat stuff though. (Pickens has become a wind power advocate)
But yes, calling Obama someone who will turn the U.S. into a marxist nation is absolutely silly and is on borderline paranoia. Seriously, the Republican spin machine has succeeded if you believe a left of center politican is automatically a Marxist. Even though I'm a Democrat, I certainly don't believe that McCain will be turning us into a fascist nation, nor do I believe Bush has turned us into one.
This concept of projecting that a politician from one side of the ideological spectrum automatically represents the extreme of that ideological spectrum is beyond stupid.
Now Obama is left of center?
What happened to being the most liberal member of the Senate? What about his chicago record?
Sure... since the primary ended he has been playing a left of center politician on TV, but do you realy think that is who he is?
I, honestly, do not KNOW who he is, probably because he has so little experience and such a thin record. He is risky, a gamble.
Parkbandit
08-10-2008, 10:02 AM
Then you'd be right in line with Obama's projection of increasing Foreign Aid by $50b a year?
It's only bad when a Republican does it dumbass. Obama is merely trying to repair all of the international relationships that were destroyed by Bush and Big Oil and Chaney and Haliburton.
Parkbandit
08-10-2008, 10:05 AM
Pickens wouldn't be criticizing Obama. It's someone else who was associated with the Swift Boat stuff though. (Pickens has become a wind power advocate)
But yes, calling Obama someone who will turn the U.S. into a marxist nation is absolutely silly and is on borderline paranoia. Seriously, the Republican spin machine has succeeded if you believe a left of center politican is automatically a Marxist. Even though I'm a Democrat, I certainly don't believe that McCain will be turning us into a fascist nation, nor do I believe Bush has turned us into one.
This concept of projecting that a politician from one side of the ideological spectrum automatically represents the extreme of that ideological spectrum is beyond stupid.
Pickens, like Gore, has made a financial decision to become a wind power "advocate". You make him sound like he is trying to save the world, instead of just creating a booming business at the right time.
Big oil = EVIL empire hell bent on destroying the planet.
Pickens = Wind power advocate, doing everything he can to save the planet.
:rofl:
And if Obama isn't a Marxist, please show me where the definition doesn't apply to what he's been promising:
The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.
Pickens, like Gore, has made a financial decision to become a wind power "advocate". You make him sound like he is trying to save the world, instead of just creating a booming business at the right time.
In politics they're called advocates.
In finance they're called investors (speculators).
Bottom line, they're out to make a buck.
It's only bad when a Republican does it dumbass. Obama is merely trying to repair all of the international relationships that were destroyed by Bush and Big Oil and Chaney and Haliburton.
What was I thinking?
:club:
Warriorbird
08-10-2008, 11:43 AM
They tried to tag 'inexperienced' on Reagan, too. Lincoln had nearly the same amount of legislative time served as Obama... in the same legislative bodies.
I love it when you guys bounce fake arguments between yourselves. I'm sure the Republican love world will be tremendously entertaining to you. Maybe you can sit back and abuse some prescription drugs (I love that section of Harold & Kumar go to Guantanamo Bay) and bask in the thought of your perfect little world.
Here's some more numbers.
50 Billion < 1 trillion (though that's a conservative estimate)
It's like reckless, pointless, spending is somehow less evil than spending on actual Americans.
Ask some Arizonans about what they feel about McCain refusing to spend any on hospitals in their state (including VA hospitals). He defeated those pesky (1% of the total budget) earmarks he did!
So if an earmark is for a small amount, in comparison, it does not worth stopping or fighting over?
"This is wrong in principle but i'm going to let it slide because it is only $10 million and it isn't as if it could possibly add up long term, nor foster a culture of corruption."
I love the lib spin though, putting McCain's record as one of the few politicians to NOT use earmarks as a bad thing.
Parkbandit
08-10-2008, 02:12 PM
They tried to tag 'inexperienced' on Reagan, too. Lincoln had nearly the same amount of legislative time served as Obama... in the same legislative bodies.
I love it when you guys bounce fake arguments between yourselves. I'm sure the Republican love world will be tremendously entertaining to you. Maybe you can sit back and abuse some prescription drugs (I love that section of Harold & Kumar go to Guantanamo Bay) and bask in the thought of your perfect little world.
This might just be your problem.. you get all your political knowledge from movies like "Harold & Kumar Go to Guantanamo Bay".
Not that I'm surprised. Quite the "pundit" you are turning out to be.
Hulkein
08-10-2008, 08:15 PM
The only way McCain is going to win is through voting fraud.
You are such a dumbass.
Hulkein
08-10-2008, 08:22 PM
I'm just puzzled how someone trained in logic can't get how paranoid they're coming off.
The sky isn't falling.
Simple destruction of your entire premise:
Keating, Hagee, Moon.
Next!
I don't really pick up any paranoia from what he's saying. He doesn't like where Obama stands ON THE ISSUES and fears he would harm the country if he enacted what he believes.
How is that paranoia?
Daniel
08-10-2008, 08:25 PM
Classic.
Someone posts something and the reponse is "LOL whut a racist, lolz". Where did ANYTHING I posted have ANYTHING to do with Race?
I already addressed this with Daniel anyway, not gonna do it again.
So, you haven't posted the same paranoid drivel on these boards about black theology religion and how Obama will try and correct the "perceived injustices" of blacks in America?
Daniel
08-10-2008, 08:28 PM
I don't really pick up any paranoia from what he's saying. He doesn't like where Obama stands ON THE ISSUES and fears he would harm the country if he enacted what he believes.
How is that paranoia?
Yea. Thinking Obama will turn America into a marxist nation if elected is an objective fact isn't paranoia at all
Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-10-2008, 08:46 PM
I'd really like it if Lieberman ran for VP with McCain.
Personally I think McCain is gonna stomp a mudhole in Obama, regardless of his running mate. We'll see. The only thing I'm sure of, is that Backrash will cry and yell conspiracy regardless.
Who will he hate if Obama wins though? Will he take a 4 (or 8) year hiatus if it happens?
Apathy
08-10-2008, 09:10 PM
And if Obama isn't a Marxist, please show me where the definition doesn't apply to what he's been promising:
The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.
Err, when did Obama say he wanted a classless society? I've seen enough ridiculous statements a la Alan Keyes. Give me a date, source, link, place where he said something substantial or stfu about it already and stick to rational topics.
And at least start dressing the part: http://commieobama.com/
Warriorbird
08-10-2008, 09:12 PM
I think the election will be close.
Ask some Arizonans about what they feel about McCain refusing to spend any on hospitals in their state (including VA hospitals). He defeated those pesky (1% of the total budget) earmarks he did!
I had several Arizona hospitals as clients. They're doing quite well thank you. In fact, the more rich Californians move to Arizona (Scottsdale for one), the better off those hospitals will be where the large population centers are.
Its past time you stopped talking out of your ass.
I'd really like it if Lieberman ran for VP with McCain.
Personally I think McCain is gonna stomp a mudhole in Obama, regardless of his running mate. We'll see. The only thing I'm sure of, is that Backrash will cry and yell conspiracy regardless.
Who will he hate if Obama wins though? Will he take a 4 (or 8) year hiatus if it happens?
I'm looking forward to TheE moving to France...
(Since I missed the party at Illvanes) :(
Warriorbird
08-11-2008, 12:26 AM
I stand corrected by my actual source through IM. Ohio hospital, Gan. You were right.
I wouldn't start celebrating yet though. The opportunity to see Republicans move into armed bunkers ALA Red Dawn to face off against the totally Marxist invasion would be just about as hilarious as TheE moving to France (though I wouldn't mock him... he puts his liberal cred where his mouth is... witness his Peace Corps work.)
Hulkein
08-11-2008, 03:04 PM
Yea. Thinking Obama will turn America into a marxist nation if elected is an objective fact isn't paranoia at all
Where did Khariz say that?
CrystalTears
08-11-2008, 03:07 PM
Here.
If I was going to vote on principal, I've vote for Bob Barr. That's who I am. But since Barr can't win, I feel that I HAVE to vote for McCain. I'd rather preseve the status quo than become a marxist nation. Anyone who is a clear-headed thinker will do the same thing.
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