Barack W. Bush?

[Gan]

Almost everyone is talking about Barack Obama's flip-flops, as the Senate's most liberal member steadily moves to the political center and disowns firebrands like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger.

But less noticed is that Obama is not just deflating John McCain's efforts to hold him to his long liberal record, but also embracing much of the present agenda of an unpopular President Bush on a wide variety of fronts.

Take social issues. Obama is now a gun-rights advocate. Like Bush, he applauded the Supreme Court's overturning of a Washington, D.C., ordinance banning the possession of handguns.

The senator, also like Bush, supports the death penalty. He recently objected to the court's rejection of a state law that allowed for the execution of child rapists.

And although Obama is still pro-choice, he now, like the president, thinks "mental distress" should not justify late-term abortion.

In addition, the new Obama would like to continue -- and even expand -- Bush's controversial faith-based initiative program of involving churches in government anti-poverty programs.

In fact, Obama is sounding a lot these days like those red-state, small-town conservatives he once caricatured in his infamous comment about Pennsylvanians who "cling" to such hot-button, but extraneous, social causes.

Consider also the campaign trail. Like a Republican in good standing -- but unlike the maverick John McCain -- Obama has, by his sudden forgoing of public funds, rejected the idea of campaign-finance reform.

In fact, he's the largest raiser of private cash in American political history, and seems to have dropped opposition to accepting pernicious "special interest money." Like a Republican, he raises the most among the nation's wealthiest on Wall Street.

During the primaries, Obama seemed to advocate the dismantling of the North American Free Trade Agreement. But now candidate Obama has little desire to overturn the present Bush trade policies.

On foreign policy and the war against terror, Obama once leaned left in his primary battles against Hillary Clinton. But his latest mutations move him once again closer to George Bush.

For all his prior talk of the loss of civil liberties, a President Obama, like a President Bush, would give telecommunication companies exemption from lawsuits over tapping private phone calls at government request.

Obama wants to continue Bush's successful multilateral efforts to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan, and now praises the Bush-inspired six-party talks with North Korea that led to the apparent dismantling of Pyongyang's nuclear program. Like Bush, he advocated expanding the military after the Clinton-era troop cuts. Obama once advocated lifting the embargo against Cuba -- but no longer. Like Bush, he thinks that it is wise to leave it be.

There is suddenly not much difference when it comes to the Middle East, either. Palestinian supporters were dismayed to hear Obama promise that Jerusalem must be Israel's eternal and undivided capital.

Obama once criticized Bush for his unwillingness to meet directly with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and exaggerating the danger from Iran, which supposedly didn't "pose any serious threat." Lately though, he agrees with the president that Iran now in fact is a "grave threat."

Obama's most serious about-face is on Iraq. He once promised a rigid and rapid timetable for withdrawing our troops. But given the radical success of Gen. David Petraeus' surge and change in tactics, Obama is now calling for withdrawals to be based on the conditions on the ground in Iraq. How different is this plan from the present administration's policy of incrementally sending home brigades as Petraeus hands off security responsibilities to Iraqis in additional provinces?

It makes political sense that Obama is moving to the center since he knows that a Northern liberal like himself has not won a presidential election since 1960. So don't expect Obama's metamorphosis to stop now. Before this campaign is over, he may well flip some more; would anybody be surprised if he starts supporting some of Bush's proposal for expanded domestic oil drilling or backtracks on raising trillions in new payroll taxes?

In fact, replace George Bush's Texas twang, cowboy strut and evangelical Bible thumping with Barack Obama's mellifluous "hope and change" rhetoric, easy grace and leftwing Christianity and we may discover a flashy new cover to an old book.

A final question: If, even as Obama trashes Bush, he seems to agree with him on so many fronts, why don't conservatives and Republicans adopt Obama as a welcome convert?

Some may, but most I've talked with don't think Obama is sincere and feel he will flip back to being left wing if elected. Or they think that Obama is changing so fast and so radically that it's hard to believe he really knows who he is -- or would be as president.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War." You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/07/barack_w_bush.html

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heh, this ought to be interesting. Discuss.

[Renian]

For all his prior talk of the loss of civil liberties, a President Obama, like a President Bush, would give telecommunication companies exemption from lawsuits over tapping private phone calls at government request.

That.

Fuck THAT. He just voted yes on the new FISA bill.

[BigWorm]

That.

Fuck THAT. He just voted yes on the new FISA bill.

How did McCain vote?

[Renian]

McCain was absent.

[Sean of the Thread]

Smart man.

[Renian]

Maybe in this instance. Then again, I don't know what's worse; voting for something that rapes the constitution in the face, or not being there to say anything about it.

[Ashliana]

I'd say that not being there, allowing something you'd probably disagree with to be written into law so you can be out desperately campaigning is worse than being misguided in the first place.

I fully expect both Senators McCain and Obama to do the jobs they were elected to, until such time as they get a new job. "Checking out" of your old job before you're actually done is generally frowned upon. I am dissapointed in Obama's change of heart, though. I wrote to both my senators and my district's congressman urging them not to vote for this.

[Sean of the Thread]

so you can be out desperately campaigning is worse than being misguided in the first place.



There is zero desperation in McCain's campaign. You're a somewhat misguided individual.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you're fucking stupid.

[Ashliana]

There is zero desperation in McCain's campaign. You're a somewhat misguided individual. By that I mean you're stupid.

Yay! Another unprovoked personal attack on this forum by someone towards another whom merely disagrees with them.

Thanks, Sean! I disagree with you. Why? McCain is significantly behind in the polls and is out campaigning when he should be present for such significant bills being voted on. I'd call that desperate. You may not.

[RichardCranium]

Yay! Another unprovoked personal attack on this forum by someone towards another whom merely disagrees with them.

Thanks, Sean! I disagree with you. Why? McCain is significantly behind in the polls and is out campaigning when he should be present for such significant bills being voted on. I'd call that desperate. You may not.


L2PC

Welcome to the PC. That's basically what my pic in the other thread was since I don't really do "sides". You've been acting like a bitch since you got here. Get some thicker skin or GTFO.

[Renian]

There is zero desperation in McCain's campaign. You're a somewhat misguided individual.

I guess what I'm trying to say is you're fucking stupid.

You know. Except for the fact that Obama is crushing him, and Republicans don't like him. However, I'm sure that thanks to this vote, the desperation factor went way down.



L2PC


Yeah. You should really expect any disagreement politically here on the PC to be scathing. I guess it's just the culture here.

[Ashliana]

L2PC

Welcome to the PC. That's basically what my pic in the other thread was since I don't really do "sides". You've been acting like a bitch since you got here. Get some thicker skin or GTFO.

I've been responding to and returning hostility since I got here. If everyone wants to act like an asshole, that's fine, but don't turn around and act like I'm out of line by returning in kind.

[Renian]

I've been responding to and returning hostility since I got here. If everyone wants to act like an asshole, that's fine, but don't turn around and act like I'm out of line by returning in kind.

Suddenly I think the real problem is that you're being so bold.

[TheWitch]

I've been responding to and returning hostility since I got here. If everyone wants to act like an asshole, that's fine, but don't turn around and act like I'm out of line by returning in kind.


Please don't start this again here. You have your "he poked me first!" crap junking up three potentially interesting threads already.

As to the topic, I can't muster up the energy to care at this point.

I think we're in for minimally four years of being screwed no matter who wins.

The end of the world according to the Mayans will be in 2012. I'm starting to think there might be some truth to that.

[Parkbandit]

I've been responding to and returning hostility since I got here. If everyone wants to act like an asshole, that's fine, but don't turn around and act like I'm out of line by returning in kind.

When you post this excuse in every topic.. this is what I see:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

[Ashliana]

Please don't start this again here. You have your "he poked me first!" crap junking up three potentially interesting threads already.

As to the topic, I can't muster up the energy to care at this point.

I think we're in for minimally four years of being screwed no matter who wins.

The end of the world according to the Mayans will be in 2012. I'm starting to think there might be some truth to that.

Do you not even realize that I didn't do anything here except post my opinion? And yet again, a forum troll attacked me for it. I didn't even respond in turn. So you can stop defending people that don't NEED defending. The attacks are what junk up the threads.


When you post this excuse in every topic.. this is what I see:

What excuse? Excuse for what? My returned hostility? That didn't even happen in this thread? Thanks for your brilliant input, as always, Park.

[Parkbandit]

As to the topic, I can't muster up the energy to care at this point.

I think we're in for minimally four years of being screwed no matter who wins.

The end of the world according to the Mayans will be in 2012. I'm starting to think there might be some truth to that.


Couldn't agree more... and just to cook your noodle, it's been far more than JUST the Mayans that believe the world will end in 2012..

http://www.endoftime2012.com/

I didn't read the entire article.. but I did see something on like the discovery channel about 2012. There are a bunch of old civilizations that claimed to have predicted the end in 2012...

[Parkbandit]

What excuse? Excuse for what? My returned hostility? That didn't even happen in this thread? Thanks for your brilliant input, as always, Park.

You used different size fonts to respond to Clove.. why can't you show me the same level of respect?

[TheWitch]

Do you not even realize that I didn't do anything here except post my opinion? And yet again, a forum troll attacked me for it. I didn't even respond in turn. So you can stop defending people that don't NEED defending. The attacks are what junk up the threads.

I'm not a forum troll, I try not to be at least.
And I'm not defending anyone. If they feel the need to defend themselves, they will.
I'm asking you to allow this thread to be about what it was intended to be about, which is Barack W. Bush. Not you. kthx.

Now, please. STFU.

[BigWorm]

When you post this excuse in every topic.. this is what I see:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

Please don't post any more pics of your wife. This one is more than enough.

[TheWitch]

Couldn't agree more... and just to cook your noodle, it's been far more than JUST the Mayans that believe the world will end in 2012..

http://www.endoftime2012.com/

I didn't read the entire article.. but I did see something on like the discovery channel about 2012. There are a bunch of old civilizations that claimed to have predicted the end in 2012...

Yea, I was just in Cancun in March. We went to seveal Mayan ruin sites, and the book my kids and I were reading was talking about the other civilizations that agreed. It was eerie, kinda freaked my kids out.

[Sean of the Thread]

Yay! Another unprovoked personal attack on this forum by someone towards another whom merely disagrees with them.

Thanks, Sean! I disagree with you. Why? McCain is significantly behind in the polls and is out campaigning when he should be present for such significant bills being voted on. I'd call that desperate. You may not.

Personal attack? No. Merely a personal observation. I've unleashed plenty of hell in the past.. you'll know when you're being shit on by me.

[crb]

I'd say that not being there, allowing something you'd probably disagree with to be written into law so you can be out desperately campaigning is worse than being misguided in the first place.

I fully expect both Senators McCain and Obama to do the jobs they were elected to, until such time as they get a new job. "Checking out" of your old job before you're actually done is generally frowned upon. I am dissapointed in Obama's change of heart, though. I wrote to both my senators and my district's congressman urging them not to vote for this.
Then why do you support Obama?

I mean... if you want to look at who has missedmore votes, or just voted "present" more....

Obama's got that hands down.

[Parkbandit]

Please don't post any more pics of your wife. This one is more than enough.

Actually, I thought this was a pic of your husband. It's a female? WTF!?

[Ashliana]

Then why do you support Obama?

I mean... if you want to look at who has missedmore votes, or just voted "present" more....

Obama's got that hands down.

Because that's not the only factor in my decision of whom to support?

And what exactly are you basing that on? God, I'm tired of you people pulling bullshit out of your ass.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/

[diethx]

You know what you need to do Ashliana? If you want to discuss politics without the scathing responses, you need to pick your shit up and move to another forum. Perhaps a politics forum where the rules are that people must respond to each other respectfully.

Because that won't happen here, and all you're doing is pissing people off by whining about how it should happen here. And shit won't change for you, because everyone likes it as it is. So like Richard said, get some thicker skin and learn to weather the acid being spit at you, or shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here.

[Ashliana]

You know what you need to do Ashliana? If you want to discuss politics without the scathing responses, you need to pick your shit up and move to another forum. Perhaps a politics forum where the rules are that people must respond to each other respectfully.

I don't mind the scathing responses. But don't pretend like you or anyone else who does it is innocent.


Because that won't happen here, and all you're doing is pissing people off by whining about how it should happen here. And shit won't change for you, because everyone likes it as it is. So like Richard said, get some thicker skin and learn to weather the acid being spit at you, or shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here.

I've defended myself when people come out of left-field, like you did, saying I'm being a bitch. I'm responding to assholes, so I don't really give a fuck if you think I'm coming off as a bitch. How about that? Can we stop talking about it now? Thanks.

[diethx]

I don't mind the scathing responses. But don't pretend like you or anyone else who does it is innocent.



I've defended myself when people come out of left-field, like you did, saying I'm being a bitch. I'm responding to assholes, so I don't really give a fuck if you think I'm coming off as a bitch. How about that? Can we stop talking about it now? Thanks.

Uh, are you seriously that fucking retarded? You were acting like a total cunt-sucking bitch in the other thread (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=33995), which is where I said my first words to you. So you deserved it, certainly not out of left-field. Don't pretend like you're so innocent. Then you had the balls to do what you did in PMs, which is a pretty big no-no here unless you want to equate yourself to the forum joke.

After reading only three threads with you posting in them, I can see that you're acting like a whiny little twat who's crying like she skinned her knee. There's no place for you here unless you can change your attitude, sorry.

[Ashliana]

Uh, are you seriously that fucking retarded? You were acting like a total cunt-sucking bitch in the other thread, which is where I said my first words to you. So you deserved it, certainly not out of left-field. Don't pretend like you're so innocent. Then you had the balls to do what you did in PMs, which is a pretty big no-no here unless you want to equate yourself to the forum joke.

After reading only three threads with you posting in them, I can see that you're acting like a whiny little twat who's crying like she skinned her knee. There's no place for you here unless you can change your attitude, sorry.

Coming out of nowhere swearing at someone accomplishes what, exactly? Creating page after page of thread-derailing flames back and forth. I sent you a PM, mistakenly thinking you were more than a total asshole. My mistake. I won't make it again.

[diethx]

Coming out of nowhere swearing at someone accomplishes what, exactly? Creating page after page of thread-derailing flames back and forth. I sent you a PM, mistakenly thinking you were more than a total asshole. My mistake. I won't make it again.

I didn't come out of nowhere and just swear at you. I explained how you were acting like a total fucking troll, hoping that my advice would make you realize that you don't quite get how things work here. But apparently you're too fucking retarded to realize that.

I'll say it again, probably for the hundredth time after all who've said it to you, THAT'S HOW THINGS WORK HERE. If you don't like it, find a new forum to whine in.

[Ashliana]

I didn't come out of nowhere and just swear at you. I explained how you were acting like a total fucking troll, hoping that my advice would make you realize that you don't quite get how things work here. But apparently you're too fucking retarded to realize that.

I'll say it again, probably for the hundredth time after all who've said it to you, THAT'S HOW THINGS WORK HERE. If you don't like it, find a new forum to whine in.

You're right! Posting your opinion and having dumbasses exactly like you flame you for it makes me a troll! Responding to those dumbasses like you, flaming others for posting their opinion, makes me a troll! I get it now! Thanks, Diethx!

And guess what? Who was just talking about an actual topic, when YOU rushed in again, trying to derail it? You. Thanks.

:club:

[diethx]

You're right! Posting your opinion and having dumbasses exactly like you flame you for it makes me a troll! Responding to those dumbasses like you, flaming others for posting their opinion, makes me a troll! I get it now! Thanks, Diethx!

And guess what? Who was just talking about an actual topic, when YOU rushed in again, trying to derail it? You. Thanks.

:club:

ROFL, god you are fucking deluded. Gan made the mistake of double-posting a topic, which happens OFTEN, and you ran in to be a troll and start the name calling. YOU started it in that thread, you dumb cunt.

Also, you really need to stop sending me PMs. I'm willing to bet that Snapp would probably consider your relentless PMing spam, and spam is a bannable offense I believe ;)


Here's another PM, since you love them so much!

Fuck you.

[Ashliana]

ROFL, god you are fucking deluded. Gan made the mistake of double-posting a topic, which happens OFTEN, and you ran in to be a troll and start the name calling. YOU started it in that thread, you dumb cunt.

Also, you really need to stop sending me PMs. I'm willing to bet that Snapp would probably consider your relentless PMing spam, and spam is a bannable offense I believe ;)

How many times have I posted that I don't give a shit what thread it is? If you're an unjustifiable asshole to me anywhere, period, I'm going to return you to it. Dumbass.

[Hulkein]

Do you not even realize that I didn't do anything here except post my opinion? And yet again, a forum troll attacked me for it. I didn't even respond in turn. So you can stop defending people that don't NEED defending. The attacks are what junk up the threads.



What excuse? Excuse for what? My returned hostility? That didn't even happen in this thread? Thanks for your brilliant input, as always, Park.

If your opinion is stupid or misguided then you'll usually have people making fun of you here at this forum. Get used to it or take a hike cry-baby.

[diethx]

Again, just more proof of you not knowing how things work here. People argue in threads, people call names and people insult others excessively. But most people also don't hold grudges about arguments from thread to thread, unless you decide to get involved in PB's stupid politics team thing, which is just your own stupid fault should you choose to do that. However, the only person who is consistently ripped on here is Backlash, whom you are becoming more and more like every day.

[RichardCranium]

How many times have I posted that I don't give a shit what thread it is? If you're an unjustifiable asshole to me anywhere, period, I'm going to return you to it. Dumbass.


You're the one saying the same shit in every single thread you post in. You're either self-delusional or hypocritical. I'm guessing the latter. I really don't have a problem with you, but you seriously need to quit crying about people doing to you exactly as you're doing to them. And don't give me that "they started it" bullshit. That may be the case, but you're doing it now so shut the fuck up about them doing it and just keep returning it in kind.

Edited to add the quote. I tried to quote the other one but you deleted it too quickly.

[Ashliana]

If your opinion is stupid or misguided then you'll usually have people making fun of you here at this forum. Get used to it or take a hike cry-baby.

Actually, what happens is that one person posts a completely on-topic opinion about a subject, and one of the numerous, reactionary trolls rushes in with a personal attack. The on-topic person responds, and then a bunch of other trolls rush in and say "OMG LEARN2PC."

Flames are fine. Bring them on.


Again, just more proof of you not knowing how things work here. People argue in threads, people call names and people insult others excessively. But most people also don't hold grudges about arguments from thread to thread, unless you decide to get involved in PB's stupid politics team thing, which is just your own stupid fault should you choose to do that. However, the only person who is consistently ripped on here is Backlash, whom you are becoming more and more like every day.

People don't just magically forget the people who were assholes to them. It's not a "grudge"--it's simply knowledge of how big a douchebag each person is. I've been accused of being like four of five different people now. I honestly don't care. The bottom line is, I was posting on-topic, and you came in here to be a bitch. Congratulations, mission accomplished. What exactly do you want?

[Ashliana]

You're the one saying the same shit in every single thread you post in. You're either self-delusional or hypocritical. I'm guessing the latter. I really don't have a problem with you, but you seriously need to quit crying about people doing to you exactly as you're doing to them. And don't give me that "they started it" bullshit. That may be the case, but you're doing it now so shut the fuck up about them doing it and just keep returning it in kind.

Edited to add the quote. I tried to quote the other one but you deleted it too quickly.

How many times do I have to fucking say this? I don't give a shit if people are hostile or profane. But expect it back. Do we really need to make five more pages of this same, cyclical shit?

[TheWitch]

stfu

Please. You clearly have no idea how big of a fool you're making of yourself.
I wish I knew how to make pictures show up in posts, because if I did I have a pretty good one but I fail.

[Ashliana]

stfu

Please. You clearly have no idea how big of a fool you're making of yourself.
I wish I knew how to make pictures show up in posts, because if I did I have a pretty good one but I fail.

Why should I? Learn how things work. Be an asshole, get it back. Simple as that. I'm going to respond to each and every one of you dumbasses who comes in here whining.

[RichardCranium]

You are seriously being a raging bag of douche.

[Ashliana]

You're right. Responding to person after person who comes in here attacking me is completely unreasonable. Come on, everybody! Get your shot in, and then turn around and get another shot in, because I responded to the first one!

[Parkbandit]

How many times have I posted that I don't give a shit what thread it is? If you're an unjustifiable asshole to me anywhere, period, I'm going to return you to it. Dumbass.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Again, just more proof of you not knowing how things work here. People argue in threads, people call names and people insult others excessively. But most people also don't hold grudges about arguments from thread to thread, unless you decide to get involved in PB's stupid politics team thing, which is just your own stupid fault should you choose to do that. However, the only person who is consistently ripped on here is Backlash, whom you are becoming more and more like every day.


Not sure where THIS came from. Consider yourself on notice.

Also, I'm PMing you to see if I can change your mind about me.. if not, please don't post them here because it will make me look like a foolish stupid cunt

[Parkbandit]

How many times do I have to fucking say this? I don't give a shit if people are hostile or profane. But expect it back. Do we really need to make five more pages of this same, cyclical shit?

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

[Tisket]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

lol, that picture makes me want to punch puppies. I hate O'donnel. But it's perfect for Assliana.

[Parkbandit]

Why should I? Learn how things work. Be an asshole, get it back. Simple as that. I'm going to respond to each and every one of you dumbasses who comes in here whining.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

[Parkbandit]

You're right. Responding to person after person who comes in here attacking me is completely unreasonable. Come on, everybody! Get your shot in, and then turn around and get another shot in, because I responded to the first one!


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/rose-o-donnell-1.jpg

[Ashliana]

Not sure where THIS came from. Consider yourself on notice.

Also, I'm PMing you to see if I can change your mind about me.. if not, please don't post them here because it will make me look like a foolish stupid cunt

I don't care if he posts them. I specifically sent one to him so he would, and he did. I'm going to respond to each of you dumbasses who comes in here to take a shot. You're trying really hard to retake the douchebag crown, PB.. but you just don't have it in you to be on the top. :/

[diethx]

Not sure where THIS came from. Consider yourself on notice.

Also, I'm PMing you to see if I can change your mind about me.. if not, please don't post them here because it will make me look like a foolish stupid cunt

LOL. Oh pfft, you know your R-team and D-team shit spills out everywhere. It's part of your "charm" ;)


I don't care if he posts them. I specifically sent one to him so he would, and he did. I'm going to respond to each of you dumbasses who comes in here to take a shot. You're trying really hard to retake the douchebag crown, PB.. but you just don't have it in you to be on the top. :/

Everyone knows PB has the douche crown in the politics folder. He's EARNED it. Stop trying to take it away from him.

[Sean of the Thread]

This dumb bitch has really set a record around here in joining the douchebag list with a quickness.

[Ashliana]

This dumb bitch has really set a record around here in joining the douchebag list with a quickness.

Thanks, Sean. Belushi still sucks, by the way.

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh I'm so pwnt.

[Sean]

What a nation of whiners.

[Sean of the Thread]

Truth

[TheWitch]

I haven't attacked you at all. I'm still not.

I've asked you, nicely at first, to stop junking up this thread with a bunch of off topic nonsense, because I thought initially that the thread had potential to be interesting. Which you have effectively ruined with your ranting and raving and now everyones lost interest because you keep saying the same crap over and over again.

So, yea. You have nothing here to respond to that's insulting, there's nothing in this post calling you out on a personal level, there are no vulgar words. Just a chain of events, ending badly.

[Ashliana]

I haven't attacked you at all. I'm still not.

I've asked you, nicely at first, to stop junking up this thread with a bunch of off topic nonsense, because I thought initially that the thread had potential to be interesting. Which you have effectively ruined with your ranting and raving and now everyones lost interest because you keep saying the same crap over and over again.

So, yea. You have nothing here to respond to that's insulting, there's nothing in this post calling you out on a personal level, there are no vulgar words. Just a chain of events, ending badly.

I was on-topic. Diethx came in here and derailed it. Try reading the thread, which you claim I ruined. I'm saying the same crap over and over again because each time a new troll appears to take another potshot.

[diethx]

You fail so hard at trying to blame others for your own fuckups.

[Ashliana]

You fail so hard at trying to blame others for your own fuckups.

I'll turn your same bullshit around. "My god, you are so fucking deluded."

Post #25 of this thread. Crb and I were discussing the topic. You came in and completely derailed it. The fuckup is yours and the failure is yours. The very first time this thread was derailed? I posted my opinion, Sean attacked me for it. I commented on that, but continued on-topic and a whole slew of your fellow trolls came in, only wanted to talk about off-topic garbage, it finally got back on topic--and here you came into the picture, Diethx. Well done.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/1601980330_03d8c698a3.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Everyone knows PB has the douche crown in the politics folder. He's EARNED it. Stop trying to take it away from him.

Thank you. Finally some fucking recognition around here.

[Gan]

:popcorn:

:lol:

[thefarmer]

:popcorn:

:lol:

As this is the second thread I've clicked on in a row that's been trainwrecked... pass the popcorn, Gan.

[diethx]

Is this bitch really, seriously, as nuts as she lets on? That isn't possible, right? To be so deluded and self-absorbed, and such a giant crybaby all at the same time?

[BigWorm]

As this is the second thread I've clicked on in a row that's been trainwrecked... pass the popcorn, Gan.

Yeah, until Ashliana started posting we never had thread derailments

[Keller]

Yeah, until Ashliana started posting we never had thread derailments

Ya. Ashliana definately has some stamina to put up with the shit she's been thrown -- but in no way has she caused it. She has some opinions people don't like and they trash her for it and then blame her for them trashing her.

[Sean of the Thread]

Meh I dunno. I really haven't gotten involved other than reading but she has instigated her fair share thus far from my observation.

[Keller]

Meh I dunno. I really haven't gotten involved other than reading but she has instigated her fair share thus far from my observation.

She stands up for herself and her beliefs. It's others that start with the name calling.

I actually applaud her for having the will and determination to even bother. Lord knows I don't.

[RichardCranium]

She stands up for herself and her beliefs. It's others that start with the name calling.

I actually applaud her for having the will and determination to even bother. Lord knows I don't.

She tries to pass her opinion off as fact. Anyone who doesn't agree with her is wrong and a dumbass. She talks shit and then cries about people griefing her. She's one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen on a message board. I seriously doubt you talk that way if it were anyone other than PB and Gan she was fucking with. And I say that from an unbiased third party perspective. Like I said before, I don't have a side. Especially when it comes to the politics folder.

[Keller]

Clove/Gan and I get along like peas and carrots (unless we're talking about the fact that the mortgage interest deduction is built into the price of homes). I think PB is a troll, but for the most part I just enjoy antagonizing him into emo-rage fits b/c he can ignore me and I wont ignore him.

I sincerely believe she's not as bad as you lot make her out to be. To be sure, she's fiesty and quite aggressive -- but at least she brings content to the table.

[Snapp]

I sincerely believe she's not as bad as you lot make her out to be. To be sure, she's fiesty and quite aggressive -- but at least she brings content to the table.

I think she just comes off a little too fiesty and aggressive. As Tisket pointed out, she just needs to take it down a notch and not take it so personally. You have to have a thick skin to post here, especially in the politics folder.

What was this thread about again? Heh.

[Clove]

I think she just comes off a little too fiesty and aggressive. As Tisket pointed out, she just needs to take it down a notch and not take it so personally. You have to have a thick skin to post here, especially in the politics folder.

What was this thread about again? Heh.Plus PB has really missed Keller and Daniel. He gets cranky when they're not around.

[Clove]

Clove/Gan and I get along like peas and carrots (unless we're talking about the fact that the mortgage interest deduction is built into the price of homes). I think PB is a troll, but for the most part I just enjoy antagonizing him into emo-rage fits b/c he can ignore me and I wont ignore him.

I sincerely believe she's not as bad as you lot make her out to be. To be sure, she's fiesty and quite aggressive -- but at least she brings content to the table.Keller's not bad for a hippy tax-lawyer. I think if he could lure his wife out of France, he'd be right as rain.

[Parkbandit]

I think I've proven without a shadow of doubt that Keller is 10x the troll I ever try to be.

He's still so angry with me. Poor little guy. I actually feel bad for him. He's obviously starved for my attention.

:(

[Keller]

Keller's not bad for a hippy tax-lawyer. I think if he could lure his wife out of France, he'd be right as rain.

She's back for good on Tuesday. Then, after this life-consuming exam, we move to the right-coast and I might lose my hippy ways.

[Gan]

Keller's not bad for a hippy tax-lawyer. I think if he could lure his wife out of France, he'd be right as rain.

x1.5 ;)

[Gan]

I think she just comes off a little too fiesty and aggressive. As Tisket pointed out, she just needs to take it down a notch and not take it so personally. You have to have a thick skin to post here, especially in the politics folder.

What was this thread about again? Heh.

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