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ClydeR
06-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Dr. James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, called Obama a fruitcake earlier this week because of Obama's radical attempt to reinterpret the Bible to suite Obama's needs.

It all started back in 2006 when Obama said (http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/) that the United States is not an exclusively Christian nation. Obama's view on that subject is not consistent with the commonly accepted understanding of American history. Plus, the percentage of people in this country who follow a religion other than Christianity is miniscule. Compounding his heresy, Obama continued to misinterpret the Bible.


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For some time now, there has been plenty of talk among pundits and pollsters that the political divide in this country has fallen sharply along religious lines. Indeed, the single biggest "gap" in party affiliation among white Americans today is not between men and women, or those who reside in so-called Red States and those who reside in Blue, but between those who attend church regularly and those who don't.

Conservative leaders have been all too happy to exploit this gap, consistently reminding evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design.

Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait. At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that - regardless of our personal beliefs - constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, there are some liberals who dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word "Christian" describes one's political opponents, not people of faith.


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And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.



Dr. Dobson learned of Obama's 2006 remarks recently and wasted no time (http://www.citizenlink.org/clspecialalert/A000007665.cfm) in correcting the record. "I think he's deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology." That stuff in Leviticus was a Jewish dietetic law and has no relevance to Christians. Dobson also noted that there is no equivalence between him and Al Sharpton. Dobson has a Ph.D. in child psychology. Sharpton has a high school diploma. Dobson also forcefully objected to the idea that citizens cannot decide how to vote and what laws to support based on their religious beliefs.


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Am I required in a democracy to conform my efforts in the political arena to his bloody notion of what is right with regard to the lives of tiny babies? What he's trying to say here is, unless everybody agrees, we have no right to fight for what we believe.

What the senator is saying there, in essence, is that I can't seek to pass legislation, for example, that bans partial-birth abortion, because there are people in the culture who don't see that as a moral issue.

And if I can't get everyone to agree with me, than it is undemocratic to try to pass legislation that I find offensive to the Scripture. Now, that is a fruitcake interpretation of the Constitution.

Voters need to know about Obama's extreme views. The mainstream media is not showing it on their broadcasts.

Daniel
06-26-2008, 05:43 PM
Dr. Dobson learned of Obama's 2006 remarks recently and wasted no time (http://www.citizenlink.org/clspecialalert/A000007665.cfm) in correcting the record. "I think he's deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology." That stuff in Leviticus was a Jewish dietetic law and has no relevance to Christians. Dobson also noted that there is no equivalence between him and Al Sharpton. Dobson has a Ph.D. in child psychology. Sharpton has a high school diploma. Dobson also forcefully objected to the idea that citizens cannot decide how to vote and what laws to support based on their religious beliefs.

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That's funny. People like Dobson have no problem using those old testament laws to say that Gay's shouldn't be married.

Clove
06-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Obama's view on that subject is not consistent with the commonly accepted understanding of American history. Plus, the percentage of people in this country who follow a religion other than Christianity is miniscule.I would hardly call 23.1% "miniscule" you fucking intolerant retard.

http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/March/20080317160257zjsredna0.8236048.html

Nieninque
06-26-2008, 05:51 PM
Mmmmmmm...fruitcake.

Some Rogue
06-26-2008, 06:01 PM
The (fruit)cake is a lie!

Warriorbird
06-26-2008, 06:03 PM
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/b/block_h/block_fire.gif

ClydeR
06-26-2008, 06:05 PM
I would hardly call 23.1% "miniscule" you fucking intolerant retard.

http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/March/20080317160257zjsredna0.8236048.html

At least I can add.

3.6 + 0.4 + 0.6 + 0.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 <> 23.1

Latrinsorm
06-26-2008, 06:11 PM
Fact: Bush is Lord.
Fact: Bush and therefore Jesus is elected to 100% of the Presidential terms he ran for.
Fact: Jesus radically reinterpreted the Bible.
Fact: Obama radically reinterpreted the Bible.
Therefore: Obama is Jesus.
Fact: Obama is running for President.
Therefore: Obama-Jesus will be elected.

You can't argue with facts and pure logic.

Nieninque
06-26-2008, 06:13 PM
At least I can add.

3.6 + 0.4 + 0.6 + 0.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 <> 23.1

So you're a twat that can add.
Grats.

BigWorm
06-26-2008, 06:14 PM
At least I can add.

3.6 + 0.4 + 0.6 + 0.7 + 1.7 + 1.7 <> 23.1

+ 16 for people who do not follow a specific religion > 23.1

Nieninque
06-26-2008, 06:18 PM
+ 16 for people who do not follow a specific religion > 23.1

Please stop. You are making Clyde look like he has rivals for the stupidest poster award.

Deathravin
06-26-2008, 06:18 PM
Fact: Bush is Lord.
Fact: Bush and therefore Jesus is elected to 100% of the Presidential terms he ran for.
Fact: Jesus radically reinterpreted the Bible.
Fact: Obama radically reinterpreted the Bible.
Therefore: Obama is Jesus.
Fact: Obama is running for President.
Therefore: Obama-Jesus will be elected.

You can't argue with facts and pure logic.

AHHHHHHHH! But God == Jesus... Bush... IS OBAMA! RUN!

At least PB might vote for him now since he's Bush...

ClydeR
06-26-2008, 06:27 PM
+ 16 for people who do not follow a specific religion > 23.1

If they don't follow a specific religion, then they don't "follow a religion other than Christianity."

BigWorm
06-26-2008, 06:41 PM
Please stop. You are making Clyde look like he has rivals for the stupidest poster award.

You should probably go fuck yourself

TheEschaton
06-27-2008, 02:09 PM
Dobson has no training in theology. If he did, he would realize Obama was CRITICIZING the Evangelical Right's reliance on 'Jewish dialetic law,' which Dobson himself apparently remarked has no relevance to Christians.

Edit: and furthermore advocating a Christianity based on the NT, very relevant, and very radical.

Nieninque
06-27-2008, 02:31 PM
Mmmmmm...fruitcake...

CrystalTears
06-27-2008, 02:49 PM
There's nothing "mmmm" about fruitcake. Ew.

Stanley Burrell
06-27-2008, 03:00 PM
Now I know what you're thinking, so first of all; yes, I can read minds. You are all thought broadcasting your delicious alpha waves. Speaking of which:

http://img.timeinc.net/recipes/i/recipes/ck/05/06/creme-brule-ck-1065553-x.jpg

Third, this was a piss poor attempt of making six raspberries on a creme brule = fruitcake. I have no idea where I was going with that one.

But. I'm certain you could get the ratio of creme brule:pieces of fruit evened out enough, whereby you can sort of vouch for a tasty fruitcake. Look, it's a fucking fruitcake, God damn you.

Jenisi
06-27-2008, 03:01 PM
... these fucking threads kill me ... You're more of a fruitcake than Obama will ever be.

LOL BRIELUS
06-27-2008, 03:11 PM
lol Jenisi

Nieninque
06-27-2008, 03:30 PM
There's nothing "mmmm" about fruitcake. Ew.

The only cake that isnt "Mmmmmm" is carrot cake.
That should be illegal.

Ravenstorm
06-27-2008, 09:32 PM
It just may be that Dobson's days are numbered (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1818313,00.html?xid=site-cnn-partner).

Paradii
06-28-2008, 01:43 AM
The only cake that isnt "Mmmmmm" is carrot cake.
That should be illegal.

It should be illegal if you don't like carrot cake.

CrystalTears
06-28-2008, 09:28 AM
The only cake that isnt "Mmmmmm" is carrot cake.
That should be illegal.
You're officially fucking weird.

Nieninque
06-28-2008, 09:43 AM
CARROT CAKE IS AN OBSCENITY. A STAIN ON THE CHARACTER OF HUMANITY!

Parkbandit
06-28-2008, 10:08 AM
Doesn't even taste like carrots anyway.

CrystalTears
06-28-2008, 11:30 AM
BRITISH CUISINE IS AN OBSCENITY. A STAIN ON THE CHARACTER OF HUMANITY!
Fixed

TheEschaton
06-28-2008, 11:51 AM
A well-rummied fruitcake is a feast of excellence.

Nieninque
06-28-2008, 05:49 PM
Doesn't even taste like carrots anyway.

It has carrots in it. That's enough for me.

Nieninque
06-28-2008, 05:50 PM
Fixed

What British cuisine have you tasted?

Warriorbird
06-28-2008, 06:07 PM
I dunno, Nein. Hasn't Gordon Ramsay devoted his career to A. self promotion and B. trying to make British cuisine taste good?

I tried when I was there but the Indian I had in England was much better than the English food I had there.

Daniel
06-28-2008, 06:16 PM
What British cuisine have you tasted?

The nasty kind. Aka all of it.

SolitareConfinement
06-28-2008, 06:28 PM
all i have to say...is roast beef and pudding do NOT mix when it comes to a meal

Nieninque
06-28-2008, 06:33 PM
I dunno, Nein. Hasn't Gordon Ramsay devoted his career to A. self promotion and B. trying to make British cuisine taste good?

I tried when I was there but the Indian I had in England was much better than the English food I had there.

Again...what would you call English food? Indian food is awesome btw.

As for Gordon Ramsay, he has always been about (a) self promotion and, (b) promoting good food. Never believed he was about British food, particularly.

Nieninque
06-28-2008, 06:36 PM
all i have to say...is roast beef and pudding do NOT mix when it comes to a meal

Well, you either have met a shitty cook who gave you garbage food, or you are confusing yorkshire puddings with something you would have with ice cream or custard.

Not that I'm particularly fanatical about roast beef and yorkie puds, as I dont eat meat. But they go pretty well together, IMO.

Back
06-28-2008, 06:41 PM
You can’t beat England when it comes to fish and chips.

BriarFox
06-28-2008, 06:45 PM
1) Good fruitcake is tasty.

2) Good creme brulee beats good fruitcake hands down.

3) British food can occasionally be edible, but it's still the worst European cuisine.

4) Obama's statement is dead-on and Dobson's an imbecile (for one thing, he wasn't being equated with Sharpton; he was being contrasted to him).

C'est ca. Quod erat demonstrandum. Das ist schon. Agathos En.

Paradii
06-28-2008, 06:47 PM
You can’t beat England when it comes to fish and chips.

Takes a someone with a shit ton of culinary skill to fry fish and make french fries. True geniuses.

My experiences from english people's cooking is that they take something that the rest of the world can turn into a feast, and ruin it. Thats just my experiences from people who I've run into. I've never been to the country.

Back
06-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Takes a someone with a shit ton of culinary skill to fry fish and make french fries. True geniuses.

Try it when you get a chance. Their breakfasts are pretty good too. Never thought I would enjoy baked beans and tomatoes with my eggs. The fried toast is a little over the top for me.

BriarFox
06-28-2008, 07:03 PM
Try it when you get a chance. Their breakfasts are pretty good too. Never thought I would enjoy baked beans and tomatoes with my eggs. The fried toast is a little over the top for me.

Actually, black and white puddings are both pretty decent, too, though they're more Irish. Just don't ask what's in them. :P

Warriorbird
06-28-2008, 07:06 PM
Every dish that I wasn't thrilled by did, for the most part, contain animal, Nein. I got most of the classic 'English' stuff foisted on me. The main fault I had with most of it was that it was boring.

...though Brussel sprouts are just as horrifying in England as they are in Southern family restaurants. The rhubarb I had was terrible too.

To England's credit I didn't eat out at any particularly high end restaurants or eat at anybody's home. I was housesitting.

I had brilliant Indian food in England though. Made me very happy.

Some Rogue
06-28-2008, 07:17 PM
Not that I'm particularly fanatical about roast beef and yorkie puds, as I dont eat meat. But they go pretty well together, IMO.

HAHAHA, YOU SAID PUDS.


If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Back
06-28-2008, 07:21 PM
Don’t forget porridge. A dish for every mood to satisfy every appetite.

TheEschaton
06-28-2008, 07:50 PM
Way to ruin an awesome Pink Floyd lyric with your retardedness, Back.

Back
06-28-2008, 08:03 PM
Way to ruin an awesome Pink Floyd lyric with your retardedness, Back.

Way to take a dump on an enjoyable discussion.


BTW, English white bread that you buy in the supermarket makes the very best toast in the world.

TheEschaton
06-28-2008, 08:06 PM
Laddie fancies himself a poet?

Clove
06-28-2008, 11:56 PM
What British cuisine have you tasted?Two words. King rib. Srsly.