Discussion about the 1787 "3/5ths Compromise"

[Parkbandit]

I keep hearing people like Rev. Wright bring up how the founding fathers only considered the slaves 3/5ths of a white and was wondering if someone like Daniel can explain this to me.

[Clove]

Comprimise is bad, m'kay.

[Daniel]

In the original constitution, Slaves were only considered as 3\5th of a person when determining representation in congress. WTF do you want me to explain?

Another substantive post creation PB. I hope you've updated your list. I know alot of hard work went into that.

[Clove]

And also for tax purposes.

[Daniel]

YOU SURE SHOWED ME!!!1111!!

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:rofl:

[Clove]

Just doing my part to improve the quality of minority education.

[Daniel]

Thanks. I graduated from college ;)

[Clove]

Thanks. I graduated from college ;)See what I mean?

[Clove]

Besides it could have been worse. Indians weren't counted at all.

[Daniel]

I see your a glass half full kind of guy.

[Clove]

3/5ths full. Thanks for the setup. Actually I think glass is too big.

[BigWorm]

This is grade school social studies...

[Gan]

You cant have my 40 acres though. And leave my ass alone.

[Keller]

ParkBandit trolls in a thread about home mortgage deduction, eventually asks if anyone actually knows what the 3/5s compromise is about, and when someone asks him to explain it -- he refuses to offer his own version but instead stomps around like an 8 yr old demanding that someone else explain it? What the fuck is wrong with you? Didn't Back just pull a similar stunt on longshot?

[Keller]

Let me help, PB:


Just for this post I am felating the first man I see tomorrow morning (it's midnight Paris time). And for your imagination's sake -- I have no gag reflex.

:)

[Back]

Didn't Back just pull a similar stunt on longshot?

Not quite a parallel. All I did was make a point about how stupid it is to demand accountability from people on a message board which also applies to this thread. I can in no way ever touch the level of trolling PB does. He r winr of teh PC.

[Clove]

Not quite a parallel. All I did was make a point about how stupid it is to demand accountability from people on a message board which also applies to this thread. I can in no way ever touch the level of trolling PB does. He r winr of teh PC.Way to spin it.

[Gan]

I can in no way ever touch the level of trolling PB does. He r winr of teh PC.

Correct. You hardly troll intentionally, because you halfway think you're contributing to the thread/discussion at hand, even when you sound like a complete idiot (which is most of the time).

So no, a troll you dont fit. There are other categories that you fit into much more accurately. ;)

[BigWorm]

I can in no way ever touch the level of trolling PB does. He r winr of teh PC.

QFT

And its not for lacking of trying that you can't keep up, Backlash.

[Parkbandit]

Ok, here's my point:

People constantly bring this 3/5ths of a white person up and have misconstrued the reasoning behind it. It wasn't to try and keep the black man down.. it was actually an effort by the founding fathers of this country to give the northerns potentially more power when the debate on the elimination of slavery came about. The people opposed to slavery didn't even want to have black people to count.. but settled for 3/5ths. The southerners who were using slavery wanted each black person to count as one.

Today, people like Rev. Wright and other black liberation followers, use the term to show that at one point they weren't even worth a full person count.. but conveniently forget WHY it was done.

[Parkbandit]

Not quite a parallel. All I did was make a point about how stupid it is to demand accountability from people on a message board which also applies to this thread. I can in no way ever touch the level of trolling PB does. He r winr of teh PC.

Backlash please. If there is ONE thing that everyone on this message board can agree on.. conservatives and liberals alike.. that you are a fucking dipshit. There are few others with your ability to bring these two groups together in harmony.

[Gan]

BACKLASH FOR PRESIDENT!

[CrystalTears]

BACKLASH FOR PRESIDENT!
At least he won't get caught getting a hummer.

[Back]

BACKLASH FOR PRESIDENT!

My platform is running for change!

I accept nickels, dimes, quarters, and any other spare change.

[Deathravin]

The people opposed to slavery didn't even want to have black people to count.. but settled for 3/5ths. The southerners who were using slavery wanted each black person to count as one.

To be fair, they wanted them to count as one for selfish reasons; more representation in congress (and thus more power in the government). Just as the non-slave owner states wanted them to count as zero, so THEIR representation would be higher. The 3/5ths was settled upon because the slave was a man, but also a man who would never have rights in any way (least of all rights to vote).

[Clove]

It was more complicated than that. The North didn't want slaves to count for representation, but they wanted slaves to count for tax purposes. The South obviously wanted slaves to count for representation, but not for tax purposes.

[Deathravin]

Either way, they were both on either side for simply selfish reasons.

[Clove]

The Northern states were against slavery very early on.

[Deathravin]

And the pilgrims left England because they were fleeing religious persecution.

They may have not liked slavery, but don't pretend their motives were pure. We're not in 2nd grade anymore.

[Clove]

And the pilgrims left England because they were fleeing religious persecution.

They may have not liked slavery, but don't pretend their motives were pure. We're not in 2nd grade anymore.I can fucking walk to the oldest Customs House in the country where an escaped slave was asked by an official if he wanted to be free.

[Daniel]

Ok, here's my point:

People constantly bring this 3/5ths of a white person up and have misconstrued the reasoning behind it. It wasn't to try and keep the black man down.. it was actually an effort by the founding fathers of this country to give the northerns potentially more power when the debate on the elimination of slavery came about. The people opposed to slavery didn't even want to have black people to count.. but settled for 3/5ths. The southerners who were using slavery wanted each black person to count as one.

Today, people like Rev. Wright and other black liberation followers, use the term to show that at one point they weren't even worth a full person count.. but conveniently forget WHY it was done.


You've reach a whole new level of retard.

So, the southern slave owners were looking out for Black people?

Seriously?

Talk about fucking spin.

[Mabus]

And the pilgrims left England because they were fleeing religious persecution.
That is what we are often told. The "pilgrim" group, which was about half of the first settlers, of initial settlers were already free from persecution, as they emigrated to Holland.

Follow the money. The settlers came here under contract to settle an area, and broke from the contract when they could not settle on the lands they were contracted to settle.

They were considered "merchant adventurers".

But "came to free themselves from religious persecution" sounds better in the history books then "came to steal the land and exploit all of its resources for the benefit of their stockholders, whom they later cheated".

[Keller]

And the pilgrims left England because they were fleeing religious persecution.

They may have not liked slavery, but don't pretend their motives were pure. We're not in 2nd grade anymore.


Their motives were that free labor depressed the wages in the north (this is not a current economic argument -- this is the history. Whether it is economically true or not -- this is what the plebs believed). Only a handful actually believe slaves DESERVED to be free. The rest were looking out for their own interests.

[Keller]

You've reach a whole new level of retard.

So, the southern slave owners were looking out for Black people?

Seriously?

Talk about fucking spin.

That's not exactly what he said, but it was pretty comical.

Now you see why I wanted his version. Everyone needs a good laugh.

[Parkbandit]

You've reach a whole new level of retard.

So, the southern slave owners were looking out for Black people?

Seriously?

Talk about fucking spin.

God, you really do have a reading comprehension problem.. don't you. I feel kinda bad, because when I normally point that out to people, it's generally in a joking manner. Clearly, that isn't it in your case.. you really DO have a problem.

No, dipshit, the southern slave owners were NOT looking out for black people.. they wanted them to count as 1 to bolster their representation and thus their power in Congress.

Seriously.. if you want to take some night classes to learn English and reading, let me know. I might consider sponsering you.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not at home or I would copy/paste Dustin's cock snorkling dream day here:

[Daniel]

God, you really do have a reading comprehension problem.. don't you. I feel kinda bad, because when I normally point that out to people, it's generally in a joking manner. Clearly, that isn't it in your case.. you really DO have a problem.

No, dipshit, the southern slave owners were NOT looking out for black people.. they wanted them to count as 1 to bolster their representation and thus their power in Congress.

Seriously.. if you want to take some night classes to learn English and reading, let me know. I might consider sponsering you.

Which changes what exactly? They were still considered as 3\5 of a person by the United States of America. The issue of race in America has never been exclusive to the American South.

There are no mitigating circumstances here, and if there were it damn sure wouldn't be because the Southern Slave owners wanted to exploit their numbers in order to push through their agendas; which incidently included the continuation of slavery itself.

Like I said. You are a retard.

[Clove]

Their motives were that free labor depressed the wages in the north (this is not a current economic argument -- this is the history. Whether it is economically true or not -- this is what the plebs believed). Only a handful actually believe slaves DESERVED to be free. The rest were looking out for their own interests.Motives schmotives, the point was, the rednecks wanted it more than the Yankees.

[Keller]

I'm not at home or I would copy/paste Dustin's cock snorkling dream day here:

Let me help you:


Just for this post I am felating the first man I see tomorrow morning (it's midnight Paris time). And for your imagination's sake -- I have no gag reflex.

:)