Atheist Soldier Suing Army

[ClydeR]

A soldier from Kansas is suing the Army (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/26/atheist_soldier_suing_army_for_threats/7956) because he claims an officer threatened to prevent him from reenlisting because he is an atheist. Assuming the soldier's claim is true, which is a big assumption, it is a sad day that someone is so unpatriotic that he will sue the Army.

The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians, and the Army is not a place for nonconformists. You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army, and this soldier, who was attending meetings of "free thinkers" in Iraq, has no one to blame but himself.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's unpatriotic to sue the Army, but is it unpatriotic for a General to sue the CIA?

(See: Project MK-ULTRA.)

[Stretch]

Man, I hate minorities and non-Christians.

[Philosopher]

Seriously, as a fellow-Christian, I implore you to stop posting stuff like this.

[Peanut Butter Jelly Time]

Seriously, as a guy who laughs at you for your elitist sense of Christianity, I implore you to stfu.

[Philosopher]

Seriously, as a guy who laughs at you for your elitist sense of Christianity, I implore you to stfu.
Was this a response to me? If so, how do you know anything about my sense of Christianity?

[Numbers]

Shut the fuck up. Damn.

[AestheticDeath]

You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army...

Explain?

[Sylvan Dreams]

A soldier from Kansas is suing the Army (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/26/atheist_soldier_suing_army_for_threats/7956) because he claims an officer threatened to prevent him from reenlisting because he is an atheist. Assuming the soldier's claim is true, which is a big assumption, it is a sad day that someone is so unpatriotic that he will sue the Army.

The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians, and the Army is not a place for nonconformists. You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army, and this soldier, who was attending meetings of "free thinkers" in Iraq, has no one to blame but himself.

Nonconformist? The US does not have an official religion.

Being Atheist, or Christian, or whatever religion is not a constitutional right that is given up upon joining the Army.

PS - Is ClydeR for real or is he a bot?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Nonconformist? The US does not have an official religion.>>

There's also no official language...

[Crazy Bard]

A lot of people for some reason believe that, but it's not by any means true.

[Philosopher]

PS - Is ClydeR for real or is he a bot?
Hopefully a bot. This is why I said what I said in my first post. It perpetuates a certain stereotype.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's an indisputable fact, wtf.

[Tea & Strumpets]

PS - Is ClydeR for real or is he a bot?

There is no way that is a real person.

[RichardCranium]

I'm sad to say that I believe in a lot of what ClydeR stands for. But the way he goes about things is FUXT UP.

Dude, I realize that you're looking to shake things up, maybe cause a stir here on the boards. But you are doing way more damage than good for your cause. Please just STFU from now on.

[Snapp]

I think ClydeR is a joke half the time. Other times I really don't know.

[Philosopher]

I'm sad to say that I believe in a lot of what ClydeR stands for. But the way he goes about things is FUXT UP.

Dude, I realize that you're looking to shake things up, maybe cause a stir here on the boards. But you are doing way more damage than good for your cause.
Bingo.

[Fallen]

A soldier from Kansas is suing the Army (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/26/atheist_soldier_suing_army_for_threats/7956) because he claims an officer threatened to prevent him from reenlisting because he is an atheist. Assuming the soldier's claim is true, which is a big assumption, it is a sad day that someone is so unpatriotic that he will sue the Army.

The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians, and the Army is not a place for nonconformists. You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army, and this soldier, who was attending meetings of "free thinkers" in Iraq, has no one to blame but himself.

You do know they are more than happy to put Atheist on your dog tags, right? A set of mine had it, but that is because they didn't have an agnostic option.

[Necromancer]

Clyde HAS to be kidding.

It's true that you give up many of your constitutional freedoms when you enlist, but you continue to have the right to hold any particular religious beliefs you want (Though you are not always allowed to practice your religion freely)

So yeah, I'm leaning towards Clyde just being a joke.

[TheEschaton]

How is it unpatriotic for him to sue the army, but not unpatriotic for his officer to PREVENT him from RE-ENLISTING because he's an atheist?

[AnticorRifling]

A soldier from Kansas is suing the Army (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/04/26/atheist_soldier_suing_army_for_threats/7956) because he claims an officer threatened to prevent him from reenlisting because he is an atheist. Assuming the soldier's claim is true, which is a big assumption, it is a sad day that someone is so unpatriotic that he will sue the Army.

The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians, and the Army is not a place for nonconformists. You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army, and this soldier, who was attending meetings of "free thinkers" in Iraq, has no one to blame but himself.

You're a fucking idiot.

If it's true the officer is wrong and he should sue.

There is nothing unpatriotic about going after the Army for denying him a chance to continue to serve his country (a patriotic act) when the basis for denial is unrelated to the ability to serve (IE unfit physically or mentally).

You need to change your sentence of "The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians" to "The vast majority of soldiers are soldiers." That's it, they are there to serve and as long as their religion, mental state, physical ability don't get in the way of that let them soldier on.

[Tea & Strumpets]

I'm sad to say that I believe in a lot of what ClydeR stands for. But the way he goes about things is FUXT UP.

Dude, I realize that you're looking to shake things up, maybe cause a stir here on the boards. But you are doing way more damage than good for your cause. Please just STFU from now on.

The only way he could be more abrasive and unconvincing in his arguments is if he finished every sentence with "and that's why you'll burn in hell." He's just a troll trying to get a reaction.

[sst]

How is it unpatriotic for him to sue the army, but not unpatriotic for his officer to PREVENT him from RE-ENLISTING because he's an atheist?

I call bullshit on the story as a whole... officers don't decide who reenlists and who dosent. There are checks and ballences in the military to deal with stuff like this (if it even happend) all the guy would need to do is go to the inspector generals office and file a complaint, then a investigation would be opened and it would be looked into, by people with no ties to that chain of command

[Clove]

What is wrong with you, ClydeR? I do not support an Armed Forces that discriminates against race, sex or religion. I really think you'd be in the fringe minority of citizens that feel that service men and women ought to be compelled to participate in any or no religion. It's a personal choice of the soldier and has nothing to do with military order.

[sst]

Clove, the military dosent descriminate as this guy is trying to make it seem Its a bullshit story from some shit bag who is looking for attention

[Clove]

Clove, the military dosent descriminate as this guy is trying to make it seem Its a bullshit story from some shit bag who is looking for attentionI wasn't implying that the military discriminates against religion as a matter of policy. I was implying that ClydeR suggests they should.

That being said, I don't think it's beyond the realm of reason that an officer might hassle a subordinate for being an atheist or whatever; however there are remedies available to a soldier if this occurs. I'm curious if the soldier in this story pursued them and if not why?

[ClydeR]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

I rest my case.

[Clove]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.This is your assessment as a Middle-East battle commander? And if the unit had a tradition of eating a pork-chop before a manuever should we kick out veggitarians, Muslims and Jews? Unit integrity (what you're referrencing) is not harmed (or built) by personal expressions of faith, or the lack of them. You're rationalizing (poorly).

[Stanley Burrell]

This is your assessment as a Middle-East battle commander? And if the unit had a tradition of eating a pork-chop before a manuever should we kick out veggitarians, Muslims and Jews? Unit integrity (is what you're referrencing) is not harmed (or built) by personal expressions of faith, or the lack of them. You're rationalizing (poorly).

Using religion as fuel for physical action is essential to kicking up the not-afraid-of-dying factor a notch or twelve. I'm gonna leave it at that.

[Daniel]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

Really? I went on over 300 combat missions and I don't ever once remember having a group prayer.

[Stanley Burrell]

Really? I went on over 300 combat missions and I don't ever once remember having a group prayer.

Might be why you're still alive.

[Clove]

Really? I went on over 300 combat missions and I don't ever once remember having a group prayer.I think I can respond to this in ClydeR's behalf. Yes but weren't you in the Colored Military?

[Stanley Burrell]

I think I can respond to this in ClydeR's behalf. Yes but weren't you in the Colored Military?

Reminded me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXU035KoSGU

Edited: Prolly NSFW

[sst]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

I clocked in at well over 300 combat missions as well, the only times there was any "group" related prayers was after we lost people... and those were optional.. just like the funerals... I didnt partake in either, because thats not the way i needed to deal with it. For the last four months we rolled into the northern two thirds of Sadr City every night... it does not get any more dangerous than that over there.

[Hulkein]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

Please shut the fuck up.

[Stanley Burrell]

Please shut the fuck up.

^ btw. Fucking democrats lololololSTMOTHERFUCKINGFU-don't make-me-transcend-space-time-to-lecture-your-mother-on-the-versatility-of-coat-hangers. Bitch I'll do eet.

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You do know they are more than happy to put Atheist on your dog tags, right?

I wonder though. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon)

[ViridianAsp]

The vast majority of soldiers are God fearing Christians, and the Army is not a place for nonconformists. You give up most of your constitutional rights when you sign up for the Army, and this soldier, who was attending meetings of "free thinkers" in Iraq, has no one to blame but himself.


Please, take a sharpy find a mirror, and write "Dumbass" backwards on your forehead. So every time you catch a glimpse of yourself, you'll remember to post such tripe.

[Clove]

I have a theory. ClydeR is actually radical left and is trying to undermine the conservative religious right from within.

[ViridianAsp]

I have a theory. ClydeR is actually radical left and is trying to undermine the conservative religious right from within.

Or he could just be a dumbass.

[Doughboy]

Part of the preparation that an Army unit makes before each dangerous mission in Iraq is a group prayer that God will protect them from harm. If you have an atheist in your group who does not participate in the prayer, then that hurts the unit's ability to work together and creates mistrust. The good of the unit as a whole is more important than the "rights" of a single atheist.

What website did you copy and paste that BS from? The only time we ever had a "prayer" of any type was usually after a death. Not that any of us really went to a funeral but we would say a few words inside of our individual units with our friends.

[Gan]

LOL

This thread gives me the warm fuzzies.

:popcorn:

[AnticorRifling]

Clyde is right. Every morning as we were putting on our boots in the squad bay we would pray that our laces would tie true. Anyone that did not believe in our god of footwear was instantly shunned and forced to wear shower shoes. Woe be to the outsider that doesn't pray as I do, his blood can't shed the same!

[sst]

shit get to wear shower shoes all day long... sign me up for your Corps

[DeV]

Please shut the fuck up.Seconded, minus the please.

[Clove]

Seconded, minus the please.Yay, DeV(ine) is here.

[Doughboy]

shit get to wear shower shoes all day long... sign me up for your Corps

I'd fucking hate to think what my feet would look like after a couple of weeks of nothing but shower shoes in the desert...

Although trench foot sucks really badly also...

[Stanley Burrell]

I have a theory. ClydeR is actually radical left and is trying to undermine the conservative religious right from within.

I spent about 5 too long dwelling on whether or not he/she/it/Belnia was a conservative trying to do an assfuck impersonation of a democrAt/liberal in order to employ reverse-reverse psychology for some pseudo-tactiful purpose.



Then,


Or he could just be a dumbass.

[Clove]

Then,you put down the pipe.

[Gan]

you put down the pipe.

ZING!