Beijing 2008 Olympics

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Frankly, I find the London 2012 logo far superior to the Beijing 2008 logo.

It seems Gordon Brown (UK PM) is going to boycott the opening ceremonies. The torch run has been plagued with protesters from the outset being extinguished three times in France. San Francisco secretly changed the route to avoid the problems they had in France.

All of this in opposition of China’s crackdown on those notorious trouble making mafia-like thugs the Buddhist monks of Tibet.

Should America boycott?

[Fallen]

Hah. How did they put the torch out? Throw buckets of water as the guy ran by?

[Gan]

903 torch

[Kembal]

From what I understand, the torch wasn't put out by protesters, but it was put out by the organizers after disruptions and attempts by protesters to put it out. (there's always a lantern they carry around to relight the flame)

As to Backlash's question: I'm not certain that Bush should boycott the Opening Ceremony. The Chinese media warps everything so much, the Chinese people won't even understand what the hell it's about, and will be told that it's just the West hating on China.

Better off that Bush goes there, meets with the Chinese, and tells them in no uncertain terms that what they're doing in Tibet is unacceptable.

Problem is, I don't think Bush will do that type of meeting.

[Sean of the Thread]

Kill em all I say and let <diety> sort em out.

[Tisket]

Hilary just commended the British PM Gordon Brown for boycotting the Olympic opening ceremony and snubbing the Chinese.

Except he has always said that he could not attend both the opening and closing ceremonies, so will be attending the closing ceremony, and has even recently hosted the Chinese delegation's torch ceremony.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080409/wl_uk_afp/chinaunresttibetrightsoly2008britain


LONDON (AFP) - British Prime Minister Gordon Brown will not attend the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics in August, his office said Wednesday.

"He's never been going to the Olympic opening ceremony. We have always said he's going to the closing ceremony," a spokeswoman for his office told AFP.

Hilary cracks me up. Backlash too.



It seems Gordon Brown (UK PM) is going to boycott the opening ceremonies.

[Back]

Kill em all I say and let <diety> sort em out.

Why? Religious differences? Economies? Xenophobia? Sociopathy?

[Asha]

I'm rolling with sociopathy. But That's endearing from him. :)

[Nieninque]

Hilary just commended the British PM Gordon Brown for boycotting the Olympic opening ceremony and snubbing the Chinese.

Except he has always said that he could not attend both the opening and closing ceremonies, so will be attending the closing ceremony, and has even recently hosted the Chinese delegation's torch ceremony.

He hasnt always said that at all...in fact I'm not sure he said anything about it before now. It's kind of convenient that the fat fucker has a prior engagement so he can do the right thing by accident.

[CrystalTears]

As to Backlash's question: I'm not certain that Bush should boycott the Opening Ceremony. The Chinese media warps everything so much, the Chinese people won't even understand what the hell it's about, and will be told that it's just the West hating on China.

Better off that Bush goes there, meets with the Chinese, and tells them in no uncertain terms that what they're doing in Tibet is unacceptable.

Problem is, I don't think Bush will do that type of meeting.
I heard this morning that Bush isn't intending to boycott and is planning on being there for the opening ceremonies, and to perhaps have negotiations/conversations with the Chinese in regards to Tibet.

I don't appreciate when they use the Olympics for political influences. It ruins it for the atheletes and sends the wrong message of world unity when people rally in this fashion. I agree that there needs to be change in China, but I don't think that the atheletes who work for years to get this chance have to suffer for it.

[Daniel]

I don't appreciate when they use the Olympics for political influences. It ruins it for the atheletes and sends the wrong message of world unity when people rally in this fashion.

You know what REALLY sends the wrong message for world unity?

Genocide.

[Sean of the Thread]

Why? Religious differences? Economies? Xenophobia? Sociopathy?

The answer to the why is simply I don't give a fuck. That and they're commies and still pray the alter Reverend Ronnie daily.

Gotta ask yourself.... WWRRD?

[Sean of the Thread]

You know what REALLY sends the wrong message for world unity?

Genocide.

Only if you get caught.

[Clove]

You know what REALLY sends the wrong message for world unity?

Genocide.Thank-you Captain Obvious.

Look I don't mind holding up signs and chanting along the route, but rushing the torch and essentially assaulting the participants to disrupt the ceremony is simply unacceptable.

[TheEschaton]

I actually agree with Clove on this one. The Olympics can (and people have been trying) be a vehicle to make the Chinese reform their atrocious human rights record.

-TheE-

[Daniel]

I actually agree with Clove on this one. The Olympics can (and people have been trying) be a vehicle to make the Chinese reform their atrocious human rights record.

-TheE-

Yes. However, that won't happen if we just let it slide without making it a major issue. This serves as a warning to the Chinese that the rest of the world will not tolerate their actions and to the leaders of the rest of the world that the people want them to do something about it.

It'd say in that regard it has been highly effective.




Thank-you Captain Obvious.

Look I don't mind holding up signs and chanting along the route, but rushing the torch and essentially assaulting the participants to disrupt the ceremony is simply unacceptable.

I'm glad we have things in proper perspective.

Holding up signs is worthless. I'd think you'd understand that.

[Clove]

I agree that there needs to be change in China, but I don't think that the atheletes who work for years to get this chance have to suffer for it.I don't mind respectful protests since it is a world event, and you can't have unity without addressing issues that cause disunity; however that doesn't justify being as disruptive as possible to the event itself.

The is plenty of visability at the Olympics for appropriate protests. The argument is "well the Chinese government won't listen unless..." the Chinese government doesn't listen- period. What people like this are really saying is "we've found a way to protest that will 'hurt' the Chinese government enough to notice." the problem is in the process you punish everyone else. Does that rationale sound familiar?

[Daniel]

enough to notice." the problem is in the process you punish everyone else. Does that rationale sound familiar?

Yea. It doesn't, except we're talking about people's entertainment versus indiscriminate killing and oppression.

[Clove]

I'm glad we have things in proper perspective.

Holding up signs is worthless. I'd think you'd understand that.True we should punish the Greeks, French, English, and American participants for Tibet. And you're right signs just aren't loud enough, lets assault the torch-bearer... THEN we'll get attention. Oh BETTER! Let's toss a grenade in their path while holding a Free Tibet sign... THAT'LL get ALOT of attention.

[Daniel]

That's a pretty drastic leap from disrupting the torch bearing ceremony to denying people's right to compete.

It's a jump through the space time continum to dropping grenades.

[Clove]

Yea. It doesn't, except we're talking about people's entertainment versus indiscriminate killing and oppression.The Olympics are more than simple entertainment, but you're correct we need loud and dramatic statements to address problems of this magnitude. May I suggest following Thich Quang Duc's example?

[Daniel]

The Olympics are more than simple entertainment, but you're correct we need loud and dramatic statements to address problems of this magnitude. May I suggest following Thich Quang Duc's example?

May I suggest grossly exhaggerated hyperbole?

[Clove]

May I suggest grossly exhaggerated hyperbole?Hey, anything that will get you noticed, right (regardless of appropriateness). Besides I suggested you do something that didn't impose on anyone else and was sure to get the cause attention. Really. Go for it Dano.

[Daniel]

Hey, anything that will get you noticed..

To stop genocide and persecution?

Yep.

[Clove]

Hey, anything that will get you noticed, right
To stop genocide and persecution?

Yep.Then we're in agreement (see below).

May I suggest following Thich Quang Duc's example?

[Daniel]

Sorry. I don't see that being very productive.

[Clove]

Sorry. I don't see that being very productive.No? His protest is remembered to this day. Strong message. Just imagine the effect if you brought the E along too?!

[TheEschaton]

Is this the guy who set himself on fire?

[Parkbandit]

May I suggest grossly exhaggerated hyperbole?

You mean like:


You know what REALLY sends the wrong message for world unity?

Genocide.

[Parkbandit]

Look I don't mind holding up signs and chanting along the route, but rushing the torch and essentially assaulting the participants to disrupt the ceremony is simply unacceptable.

I wonder what the law is... if the runner gets assaulted while running with the torch, can he/she use the torch like a baseball bat?

[Daniel]

You mean like:

Except..the Genocide in Darfur is widely documented and China's links highly public.

Oh wait.. I forgot who I was talking to. It's not like you know shit anyway.

[Clove]

Is this the guy who set himself on fire?Yes, he was a monk that set himself on fire in Saigon to protest South Vietnamese persecution of Buddhists.

[Clove]

I wonder what the law is... if the runner gets assaulted while running with the torch, can he/she use the torch like a baseball bat?Contract Dow to make a few simple modifications to that torch and we could have Thich Quang Duc-style protests every time it's rushed.

[Parkbandit]

Except..the Genocide in Darfur is widely documented and China's links highly public.

Oh wait.. I forgot who was talking. It's not like you know shit anyway.

From all news accounts about these protests I've seen, it has been about China's crackdown on the Monks and not about their indifference policy in Darfur.

You make it sound like Chinese are in Darfur, slaughtering people.

Sounds pretty much like dramatic hyperbole to me... but that's pretty much what we usually get from you.

Well that and outright fabrications.

[Daniel]

From all news accounts about these protests I've seen, it has been about China's crackdown on the Monks and not about their indifference policy in Darfur.

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More willful ignorance from Parkbandit. How surprising.

[Rathgar]

I can't believe these protests are against the Tibetan monks, those monks are all freely allowed to practice whatever religion whenever and whereever they want. In fact, the chinese government is so afraid about them protesting or pulling this crap they regulalry subsidize infrastructures building in Tibet everything from roads, bridges to Tibetan monasteries. Before China tookover Tibet, it was legal to have slavery in Tibet.

Also, the West babbling all this nonesense is hypocricy to it's fullest. Tibet has been part of China for the past thousand years or so. If PM Gordon Brown wants to Boycott the Olympic games because of this, he should consider then giving back Northern Ireland to the Irish... it's odd how a single uniform Island has two colors on the world map...hmmm.... it's called I-r-e-l-a-n-d maybe it belongs to the I-r-i-s-h?

What people should focus their protests on are the Darfur people and the mass genocide thats taking place there. I can't believe theres all these protests over a bunch of monks who get subsidized food, doctors, electricity, cars and what have you from fast developing china and then like 500,000 people die and there are no hanging of signs on the golden gate bridge or what have you.

Maybe people don't care about Black people as much...

T

[Clove]

...Before China tookover Tibet, it was legal to have slavery in Tibet...Yeah! And of course slavery would resume if China allowed those dirty Tibetans to secede.
Tibet has been part of China for the past thousand years or so.More like 750 years (circa 1250) then the Yaun dynasty took over. Prior to that Tibet was ruled by its own kings, and then the Mongols (IIRC). But who's counting? BTW how long does a country have to control another before we dismiss any outcries for independence?
...PM Gordon Brown...should consider then giving back Northern Ireland to the Irish... it's odd how a single uniform Island has two colors on the world map...hmmm.... it's called I-r-e-l-a-n-d maybe it belongs to the I-r-i-s-h?And Wales is called W-a-l-e-s and Scotland is called S-c-o-t-l-a-n-d. I don't recall any recent large outcry from the Irish for independence from the United Kingdom, however.

Maybe people don't care about Black people as much...

TMaybe. However there has been coverage of Darfur protest groups as criticisms of China's policy has been brought into focus by the Olympic torch ceremony (on CNN at least).

[Stanley Burrell]

I think the torch is going to Argentina next.

Mi Buenos Aires, querido. Time to show these muddafuckaz how to protest like gauchos.

[Clove]

I think the torch is going to Argentina next.

Mi Buenos Aires, querido. Time to show these muddafuckaz how to protest like gauchos.Don't cry for me Argentina (until the tear gas starts).

[Stanley Burrell]

I dunno how much the locals will protest. The Chinese mafia is ridiculous en Argentina.

At least the Castellanos can speak actual Spanish on loudspeakers when dispersing crowds.

[Rathgar]

Yeah! And of course slavery would resume if China allowed those dirty Tibetans to secede.More like 750 years (circa 1250) then the Yaun dynasty took over. Prior to that Tibet was ruled by its own kings, and then the Mongols (IIRC). But who's counting? BTW how long does a country have to control another before we dismiss any outcries for independence?And Wales is called W-a-l-e-s and Scotland is called S-c-o-t-l-a-n-d. I don't recall any recent large outcry from the Irish for independence from the United Kingdom, however.Maybe. However there has been coverage of Darfur protest groups as criticisms of China's policy has been brought into focus by the Olympic torch ceremony (on CNN at least).

What?!

I have like 3 Irish friends and they ALL want Northern Ireland back. How old are you? Have you forgotten that little bit with the IRA (Irish Republican Army) and there several decades long struggle to take Northern Ireland back?

If 750 years isn't enough to solidify one's self as a nation, lets talk about giving back America to the Indians. When China moved into Tibet, there was no huge war and little casualities. When Euros took over the new world there was mass genocide, a people who should number in the several millions (American Indians) are now reduced to a few hundred thousand sparsely spread across the US. Cheyenne, Cherokee, Comanche and other Indian nations completely obliterated. The U.S. is 224 years old from when they were officially recognized as a nation in 1783.

This is a letter from Joe Cramer a soldier in the US cavalry during the Sand Creek Massacre.

Ft. Lyon, C. T.
December 19, 1864

Dear Major:

This is the first opportunity I have had of writing you since the great Indian Massacre, and for a start, I awill acknowledge I am ashamed to own I was in it with my Co. Col. Chivington. Came down here with the gallant third known as Chivington Brigade, like a thief in the dark throwing his Scouts around the Post, with instructions to let no one out, without his orders, not even the Commander of the Post, and for the shame, our Commanding Officer submitted, Col Chivington expected in camp below the Com---- but the Major Comd'g told him all about where the Indians were, and volunteered to take a Battalion from the Post and join the Expedition.

Well Col. Chivington Got in about 10 a.m., Nov. 28th and 8 p.m. we started with all of the 3rd parts of "H", "O" and "E" of the first, in the command of Lt. Wilson Co. "K", "D" and "G" in the commanding of Major Anthony. Marched all night up Sand, to the big bend on Sandy about 15 or 20 miles. Above wherer we crossed on our trip to Smoky Hill and came on to Black Kettle's village of 103 lodges, containing not over 500 all told, 350 which were women and children. Three days previous to going out, Major Anthoy gave John Smith Lowderbuck of Co. "G" and a government driver permission to go out there and trade with them, and they were in the village when the fight came off, John Smith came out holding up his hands and running toward us, when he was shot at by several, and the word was passed along to shoot him. He then turned back and went to his tent and got behind some Robes, and escaped unhurt. Lowderbuck came out with a white flag, and was served the same as John Smith, the driver the same. Well, I got so mad I swore I would not burn powder, and I did not. Capt. Soule the same. It is no use for me to try to tell you How the fight was managed, only that I think the Officer in Command shoud be hung, and I know when the truth is known it will cashier him.

We lost 40 men wounded, and 10 killed. Not over 250 Indians mostly women and children, and I think not over 75 bucks. With proper management they could all have been killed and not lost over 10 men. After the fight there was a sight I hope I may never see again.

Bucks, women, and children were scalped, fingers cut off to get the rings on them, and this as much with Officers as men, and one of those Officers a Major, and a Lt. Col. Cut off ears of all he came across, a squaw(Indian woman) ripped open and a child taken from her, little children shot while begging for their lives and all the indignities shown their bodies that was ever heard of, (women shot while on their knees, with their arms around soldiers begging for their lives). Things that Indians would be ashamed to do. To give You some little idea, Squaws were known to kill their own children and then themselves, rather than to have them taken prisoners. But enough! For I know you are disgusted already. Black Kettle, White Antelope, War Bonnet, Left Hand, Little Robe and several other chiefs were killed.

Black Kettle said when he saw us coming, that he was glad for it was Major Wynkoop coming to make peace. Left Hand stood with his hands folded across his breast, until he was shot saying, "Soldiers no hurt me - soldiers my friend." One Eye was killed; was in the employ of Gov't as spy; came into the Post a few days before, and reported about the Sioux, were going to break out of Ft. Learned, which proved true.

After all the pledges make my Major A— to these Indians and then take the course he did. I think as comments are necessary from me: only I will say he has a face for every man he talks. The action taken by Capt. Soule and myself were under protest. Co. A– was going to have Soule hung for saying there were cowardly Sons of B-s; if Soule did not take it back, but nary take aback with Soule. I told the Col. That I thought it murder to jump them friendly Indians. He says in reply; Damn any man or men who are in sympathy with them. Such men as you and Major Wynkoop better leave the U. S. Service; so you can judge what a nice time we had on the trip. I expect Col. C- and Downing will do all in their power to have Soule, Crossitt and I dismissed. Well, let them work for what they damn please, I ask no favors of them, If you are in Washington from being a Bri'g Genl. Which he expects. I will send you the Denver Papers with this. Excuse this for I have been in much of a hurry.

Very Respectfully,
Your Well Wisher
(signed) Joe Cramer

[Rathgar]

And heres yet more....

The words of Ben Clark, Custer's chief of scouts, brought the truth out after Custer distributed propaganda about one white woman and two white boys as having been hostages in Black Kettle’s village. There were no “hostages, a Cheyenne woman committed suicide. Speculating, here is why.

She didn't want her son mutilated by Custer or a 7th Calvary soldier; she didn't want her vagina ripped out and put on a stick, worn, or made into a tobacco pouch. So, she killed her son and herself first.





Jerome A. Greene. Washita. Chap.7. pp.130-131

There, as the people fell at the hands of the troopers, one woman, in a helpless rage, stood up with her baby, held it out in an outstretched arm, and with the other drew a knife and fatally stabbed the infant - erroneously believed by the soldiers to be a white child. She then plunged the blade into her own chest in suicide.

[CrystalTears]

I have like 3 Irish friends and they ALL want Northern Ireland back.
Maybe they should join the Olympic riots then. Get their voice heard!

By the way, how old are YOU? That was "recent" for you? Get with PB and go bowling. Sheesh.

[Clove]

What?!

I have like 3 Irish friends and they ALL want Northern Ireland back. How old are you? Have you forgotten that little bit with the IRA (Irish Republican Army) and there several decades long struggle to take Northern Ireland backMaybe they should protest at the Olympics. Yes I remember the IRA, how very 80's of you. I did say RECENT. Thanks for the WoT, I'm going to ignore you now (which actually puts you BELOW Backlash and Stanley... just wow).

[Stanley Burrell]

Maybe they should protest at the Olympics. Yes I remember the IRA, how very 80's of you. I did say RECENT. Thanks for the WoT, I'm going to ignore you now (which actually puts you BELOW Backlash and Stanley... just wow).

We live in Connecticut. Few are below us. Maybe kids named "Timmy" who fall down wells and/or large volcanic craters, but let us not forget our own suffering.

[Clove]

We live in Connecticut. Few are below us. Maybe kids named "Timmy" who fall down wells and/or large volcanic craters, but let us not forget our own suffering.So much h8 for the Nutmeg State. We ought to make you live with the Massholes until you learn to appreciate what you have.

[Clove]

If 750 years isn't enough to solidify one's self as a nation, lets talk about giving back America to the Indians. When China moved into Tibet, there was no huge war and little casualities...Ignorance just pisses me off. Tibet has had a national identity for centuries and declared independence from China in 1911 and remained so, until the People's Republic of China was declared.


Tibet has maintained throughout its history a national identity distinct from that of China. On October 1, 1949, the People's Republic of China was formally proclaimed in Beijing and the following year launched an armed invasion of Tibet. When China's People's Liberation Army invaded Tibe, Tibet was an independent state.
...
Since the revolt against Chinese rule in Tibet that began in 1956 and through the end of the Cultural Revolution in 1976, an estimated 1,200,000 Tibetans were killed and more than 6,000 religious sites were destroyed. In 1959, 1960, 1964, and 1997 the International Commission of Jurists examined Chinese policy in Tibet, violations of human rights in Tibet, and the position of Tibet in international law. The International Commission of Jurists found that the People's Republic of China had committed `acts of genocide . . . in Tibet in an attempt to destroy the Tibetans as a religious group' and that Tibet was at least `a de facto state' prior to 1951.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/tibet.htm

Sounds pretty peaceful, doesn't it?

Contrast that to Northern Ireland. How old are you? You've heard of the Belfast Agreement right? Signed by Ireland, Northern Ireland and Great Britain after a referendum vote was held in Ireland and Northern Ireland (94% pro in Ireland and 71% pro in Northern Ireland).

Do me a favor, while you're "proving" China's policy concerning Tibet is no big deal, why don't you tell us all about how the Holocaust was faked.

To summarize, protest groups around the world have SEVERAL issues with Chinese policy. Darfor and Tibet are both VERY valid topics.

[StrayRogue]

What?!

I have like 3 Irish friends and they ALL want Northern Ireland back. How old are you? Have you forgotten that little bit with the IRA (Irish Republican Army) and there several decades long struggle to take Northern Ireland back?



Sorry, but the opinion of a meagre 3 drunkard tards who probably have never even been to the "home country" means fuck all to the reality of the situation. Had they lived through any of that shit, they might share a different perspective.

One of my best friends is Irish. One of my best friends wives is Irish. This doesn't include all the other friends, people I know, buisness associates, and general acquaintances that are Irish that I have. I go to Ireland numerous times every year. Both parts.

The general feeling I get is this:
Most of them are ambiguous on whether or not they "want Northern Ireland back". Most of them really just don't care.
ALL of them do, however, NOT want the violence to flare up again. They've all got stories. They've all got friends and families who were involved. It's a nasty situation that is only now hopefully getting some peace.

[TheEschaton]

Massholes at least know how to drive. I drive Storrow Drive EVERY DAY, which makes normal people cringe, and I've never been more scared than on Meritt Parkway in CT.

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

Massholes at least know how to drive.
This is the biggest crock of shit I've heard all day on these boards, including what that crackhead Rathgar has said.

[Clove]

Massholes at least know how to drive. I drive Storrow Drive EVERY DAY, which makes normal people cringe, and I've never been more scared than on Meritt Parkway in CT.

-TheE-That must be why collision insurance is so much cheaper in Massachussetts

[Latrinsorm]

The Merritt is a perfectly safe road. It's I-95 that's a deathtrap.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe they should join the Olympic riots then. Get their voice heard!

By the way, how old are YOU? That was "recent" for you? Get with PB and go bowling. Sheesh.

Speaking of bowling.. did you see where Obama got a score of 37? I am certain I could bowl left handed (I'm right handed) and double his score.

[Clove]

It's I-95 that's a deathtrap.Pretty much from Bangor to Miami.

[Parkbandit]

Ignorance just pisses me off. Tibet has had a national identity for centuries and declared independence from China in 1911 and remained so, until the People's Republic of China was declared.



Sounds pretty peaceful, doesn't it?

Contrast that to Northern Ireland. How old are you? You've heard of the Belfast Agreement right? Signed by Ireland, Northern Ireland and Great Britain after a referendum vote was held in Ireland and Northern Ireland (94% pro in Ireland and 71% pro in Northern Ireland).

Do me a favor, while you're "proving" China's policy concerning Tibet is no big deal, why don't you tell us all about how the Holocaust was faked.

To summarize, protest groups around the world have SEVERAL issues with Chinese policy. Darfor and Tibet are both VERY valid topics.


Wait.. you are making fun of him for bringing up the 1980's.. and to prove he's wrong, you chose to go back to 1956? I WASN'T EVEN AROUND IN 1956!

[Parkbandit]

Massholes at least know how to drive. I drive Storrow Drive EVERY DAY, which makes normal people cringe, and I've never been more scared than on Meritt Parkway in CT.

-TheE-

Bitch please. Try driving in Florida.

[CrystalTears]

Speaking of bowling.. did you see where Obama got a score of 37? I am certain I could bowl left handed (I'm right handed) and double his score.
Heh, I had heard on the news (you know, great place to hear this kind of stuff) that he was a horrible bowler. Clinton had stated this April Fool's joke challenging him to a bowl off, winner take all. She's such a cunt. :D


Bitch please. Try driving in Florida.
Agreed

[Arkans]

That or it could be Massachusetts's fucked up insurance policy regulation.

- Arkans

[Clove]

Wait.. you are making fun of him for bringing up the 1980's.. and to prove he's wrong, you chose to go back to 1956? I WASN'T EVEN AROUND IN 1956!Neither was I (oh the irony) and he started with the "how old are you crap" implying that I didn't remember the Northern Ireland/IRA conflicts. I only said "How very 80's of you" because I mentioned there hasn't been any recent complaints about Northern Ireland since the Belfast Agreement was signed in 1998. Nine years of peace is pretty good.

Even though we weren't around in 1956, we can still read about it! History books and articles FTW!

*edit: Oh and not that I don't believe you or anything but do you have any scanned documents you could post that indicate your birthdate was after 1956....? :D

[Clove]

That or it could be Massachusetts's fucked up insurance policy regulation.

- ArkansCould be, but back in the late 80's early 90's when I lived in Massachussetts car insurance was horribly expensive and insurance companies were leaving the state because they were losing money due to the higher than average accident claims. My recent drives through the state hasn't given me reason to believe the drivers have improved (since I lived there). :thinking: Hmmmmm.

[Gan]

Sorry, but the opinion of a meagre 3 drunkard tards who probably have never even been to the "home country" means fuck all to the reality of the situation. Had they lived through any of that shit, they might share a different perspective.

One of my best friends is Irish. One of my best friends wives is Irish. This doesn't include all the other friends, people I know, buisness associates, and general acquaintances that are Irish that I have. I go to Ireland numerous times every year. Both parts.

The general feeling I get is this:
Most of them are ambiguous on whether or not they "want Northern Ireland back". Most of them really just don't care.
ALL of them do, however, NOT want the violence to flare up again. They've all got stories. They've all got friends and families who were involved. It's a nasty situation that is only now hopefully getting some peace.
Excellent post.


That or it could be Massachusetts's fucked up insurance policy regulation.

- Arkans
I'm more inclined to belive this.

[CrystalTears]

I'm more inclined to belive this.
Which would be wrong. It's more along the lines of what Clove said.


...car insurance was horribly expensive and insurance companies were leaving the state because they were losing money due to the higher than average accident claims.

They still drive like assholes, in or out of Massachusetts.

[Clove]

Sorry, but the opinion of a meagre 3 drunkard tards who probably have never even been to the "home country" means fuck all to the reality of the situation. Had they lived through any of that shit, they might share a different perspective...Yeah, props to Stray Rogue. Good post. However "tards" when referring to drunken Irish might be redundent.

[AnticorRifling]

Yeah, props to Stray Rogue. Good post. However "tards" when referring to drunken Irish might be redundent.

So is the use of drunken when referring to the Irish.

[Clove]

So is the use of drunken when referring to the Irish.Thanks for taking the hint :D

[Warriorbird]

We never drink....





...before 8 AM.

[Gan]

Which would be wrong. It's more along the lines of what Clove said.
Ok, we'll compromise. You have fucked up drivers and fucked up insurance regulation in Mass.

[TheEschaton]

Our drivers are aggressive, yes. If it was only us, we'd all get to work fine at 80 mph. It's these out-of-staters who insist on going reasonably near the speed limit of 55 that get us into accidents.

Despite all of that, and all that regulation, my insurance costs all of $680 a year. 26 yo, never been in an accident, 3 speeding tickets (two reduced to parking violations).

-TheE-

[CrystalTears]

Ok, we'll compromise. You have fucked up drivers and fucked up insurance regulation in Mass.
Not moi. I R IN CT! :tongue:


Our drivers are aggressive, yes. If it was only us, we'd all get to work fine at 80 mph. It's these out-of-staters who insist on going reasonably near the speed limit of 55 that get us into accidents.
Except I've seen some horrible driving within town/city limits as well.


Despite all of that, and all that regulation, my insurance costs all of $680 a year. 26 yo, never been in an accident, 3 speeding tickets (two reduced to parking violations).
You have that rate because of the regulations. If not it would be two or three times that.

[Clove]

Despite all of that, and all that regulation, my insurance costs all of $680 a year. 26 yo, never been in an accident, 3 speeding tickets (two reduced to parking violations).

-TheE-Yeah insurance agencies were losing money in Mass. so the State stepped in to regulate rates and keep it affordable. How do you like your taxes?

[TheEschaton]

I like 'em just fine.

[Back]

In less than 24 hours this thread has turned into a conversation about driving habits. Nice.

Does this mean people (or our so-called leaders, don’t bitch at me, you voted for them) don’t want to face reality or utilize democracy? I can think of a hundred reasons to boycott China and I am surprised no one else can.

[Bobmuhthol]

Delete your goddamn post.

[Clove]

In less than 24 hours this thread has turned into a conversation about driving habits. Nice.

Does this mean people (or our so-called leaders, don’t bitch at me, you voted for them) don’t want to face reality or utilize democracy? I can think of a hundred reasons to boycott China and I am surprised no one else can.I'll bet you're a shitty driver too. The title of the thread is 2008 Beijing Olympics not Boycott China. And let's not forget this little gem of an opener....

Frankly, I find the London 2012 logo far superior to the Beijing 2008 logo.

[Daniel]

We won't stand for shitty logos.

[Parkbandit]

Frankly, I find the London 2012 logo far superior to the Beijing 2008 logo.


I'm not surprised you do...

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/goatse.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

The Merritt is a perfectly safe road. It's I-95 that's a deathtrap.

Merritt is scary at nighttime. Especially when there's high winds. People in Connecticut are dumb because they will slow traffic down for miles because people get claustrophobic of 16 wheelers and won't pass them, which would be the disadvantage of 95/91 'round there here parts. Argh. I really am starting to believe this women-can't-drive thing. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Someone decides to slow traffic down, it's a barrage of vaginal vaginas vagina'd out by vaggy trucks or a U-Haul.

We need more lesbians.

[Parkbandit]

We need more lesbians.

:yes:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/hillary1.jpg

[Stanley Burrell]

If I drank maybe like, lemme see what I have here. Brb.

All 4 bottles of this ghetto Majorska 100 proof grain shit, ate all of Eli Lily's or whoever's Viagra and hadn't masturbated in ten years. I would die of alcohol poisoning.

Clinton can probably lesbodrive. That's about it.

[Parkbandit]

I would die of alcohol poisoning.




You should try it.. just to say you were right.

[Stanley Burrell]

You should try it.. just to say you were right.

I have read your suggestion.