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Gan
03-10-2008, 09:43 PM
After months of partisan sniping, the great earmarks debate in Congress may be collapsing in a marriage of political convenience between conservatives and leading Democrats.

Late Monday, presidential candidate Barack Obama, quickly followed by rival Hillary Rodham Clinton, joined Senate efforts to ban all such home-state projects next year, and the anti-pork camp also hopes to pick up some unexpected help from a third Democrat: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The back-to-back endorsements mean the entire presidential field will be on board the budget amendment already co-sponsored by the likely Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Sen. John McCain. Pelosi has not yet gone so far as to embrace such a broad moratorium on earmarks, but she also has signaled a growing weariness with the debate and a desire to take the issue off the table going into the November elections.

Senate sponsors are expected to need 60 votes to prevail, and senior members in both parties are opposed. But even opponents agreed Monday night that the Democratic endorsements — coupled with any movement by Pelosi — could tip the scales.

“This week could be the biggest opportunity to change the culture of earmarks we ever have had,” said Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a lead sponsor of the Senate budget amendment.

Pelosi was to meet with her leadership late Monday. But in a brief interview last Thursday night, the speaker said she thought it would be “appropriate” to make a decision on the earmark question before the House takes up its budget this week.

At this stage, Democrats don’t expect to offer a budget amendment equivalent to the Senate’s, but one option would be for the speaker to announce that the House won’t include spending earmarks in any of the appropriations bills sent to President Bush. Old friends on the House Appropriations Committee are cool to this idea, but Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), a member of the panel and a Pelosi ally, said the earmark debate had become a “distraction” from bigger issues for voters.

“I have said I’m losing patience with earmarks, and we’ll see how serious and mature Republicans are going to be about the issue,” Pelosi said. “It’s not a question of a moratorium. It’s a question of what the appropriations process is going to look like this year, and that’s what we’re going to be talking about.”

Right now, that appropriations process — the 12 annual bills that fund the government’s daily operations – looks very much like a repeat of the stalemate seen last year. And many would argue that that’s the real reason the leadership can afford to be so “reform-minded.”

The Senate and House resolutions would add between $18 billion and about $22 billion to the president’s requests. With the White House threatening to veto individual spending bills, Democrats are already discussing stopgap bills to keep agencies operating until a new president is chosen.

Nonetheless, House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey (D-Wis.) is cool to giving up all earmarks, and Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) said Congress was rushing to give up a responsibility that is fundamental to its charter under the Constitution.

“This is the business we’re in,” Murtha said. And after making reforms last year that both cut the number of projects and introduced more transparency, critics argue that the leadership is being stampeded for only political reasons.

“In my home state, we know what happens when federal agencies make all the decisions. … The money goes elsewhere,” to more densely populated areas, said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, who represents rural North Dakota. “The problem is, there has been abuse [of earmarks]. I don’t think the answer is to eliminate all congressionally directed funding. … I resent the suggestion that anybody who did earmarks has some sort of corruption.”

In a statement from his Senate office, Obama said that even with the reforms made in the past year, “I have come to believe that the system is broken.

“We can no longer accept a process that doles out earmarks based on a member of Congress’ seniority, rather than the merit of the project. We can no longer accept an earmarks process that has become so complicated to navigate that a municipality or nonprofit group has to hire high-priced D.C. lobbyists to do it. And we can no longer accept an earmarks process in which many of the projects being funded fail to address the real needs of our country.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8943.html
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McCain's already on board (bill co-sponsor).

Obama and now Clinton are on board.

The rest of the pork politicians need to step up. If we're going to see reform, then it needs to be with our hands in our pockets, not sticking out waiting for the handout for 'their' state while everyone else goes on the pork free diet.

I think its time to write my representatives and let them know how I feel. ;)

Another article: by Robert Novak
McCain vs. The Addicts (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/mccain_vs_the_addicts.html)

Tsa`ah
03-11-2008, 07:21 PM
I can buy Obama jumping on and not being motivated by his campaign ... Clinton ... I don't buy it considering her history.

Gan
03-14-2008, 06:53 AM
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly shot down an effort Thursday night to ban "earmark" spending for one year -- quashing an effort backed by all three senators seeking the presidency.

The measure -- an amendment to the Senate's 2009 budget act -- failed on a vote of 29-71.

Republican Sen. John McCain and Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama voted in favor of the amendment.

"We're disappointed that only 29 members of the U.S. Senate understand that the American people want us to stop this practice, which has led to corruption," McCain said.

Earmarks are requests for money by a specific legislator, usually for his constituency, added onto often unrelated government spending bills.

Earlier, Obama made public his requests for earmarks, after McCain challenged him and Clinton on the spending measures.

McCain had urged his Democratic rivals to reveal the earmarks they've asked for and turn back the money that hasn't been spent yet.

The Obama camp then joined McCain in calling for Clinton to release her requests.

Earmarks that are approved are a matter of public record, but information about earmark requests that do not get approved can currently come only from the legislators themselves.

The Clinton campaign was asked about earmarks on a press call Thursday afternoon before Obama released his requests. Clinton's Senate office released a statement and set up a Web page containing links to news releases about funding secured for New York projects.

It did not provide any information about earmarks that were not approved.
"Senator Clinton will limit requests for earmarks this year to the most critical needs for New York and America such as providing health care for those suffering from the effects of 9/11, bolstering our national and homeland security, and providing our brave men and women in uniform with the resources they need to achieve their missions," the statement said. "Senator Clinton is proud of the investments in New York that she has secured as senator."

McCain (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.mccain.html), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and the Democratic candidates all interrupted their campaign schedules to make Thursday's vote.

The three White House hopefuls supported the moratorium, even though key senators on both sides opposed it.

McCain,who has refused to request spending for projects in his home state of Arizona, has long been a vocal critic of earmarks.

Clinton (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html) and Obama (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/barack.obama.html) announced this week they favor the ban, despite their own use of earmarks.

McCain said the Democratic presidential candidates are late to the anti-earmarks position, saying both have requested earmarks using taxpayer dollars "that are absolutely outrageously wasted."

"I think they should ask that those earmarks that they asked for and obtained -- the money that hasn't been spent yet -- ask them to turn that money back to the Treasury," McCain said.

Obama's press office questioned why Clinton has not released her earmark requests, saying "If Sen. Clinton will not agree to join Sen. Obama in releasing her earmark requests, voters should ask why she doesn't believe they have the right to know [how] she wants to spend their tax dollars."

Clinton grabbed $342 million worth of earmarks last year, ranking her 10th highest on the list of senators (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/u_s_senate), according to the budget watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense. But as of Thursday, the Clinton campaign still had not released details on how much she requested for 2007 and what it was for.

The senator "is proud of the investments in New York she has secured," according to her spokesman Philippe Reines. But she believes the one-year ban "will allow a hard look at how more sunlight and transparency can be brought to this process," Reines added.

Obama in fiscal year 2008 secured $98 million in funding for Illinois projects, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. Information released Thursday by the Obama campaign indicates he requested $311 million in earmarks for the same year.

Also according to information released Thursday by the Obama camp, the Illinois senator had 138 earmark requests for the 2007 fiscal year.

His total requested funding was about $330 million. His average request was about $2.4 million, with the largest request being $62 million intended to modify a Boeing 747 aircraft to capture infrared images of the earth.

In a statement this week, Obama complained that earmarks are doled out based on a lawmaker's seniority, not the merit of a project, and that many of the projects "fail to address the real needs of our country."

Earmark opponents pushed for the ban after watching Congress approve an increasing number of special projects in recent years.

Last year, Congress approved 12,884 earmarks. While the budget watchdog group said that figure is down from an all-time high in 2005, it still represents more than $18 billion in spending.

Opponents of earmarks argue that special projects not only waste money but also can lead to corruption, pointing to former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-California. Now imprisoned, Cunningham received bribes in return for earmarks related to defense contracts.

Defenders of earmarks, such as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, say earmarks -- or "congressionally directed spending" as they prefer to call them -- are an important congressional prerogative that ensure home-state needs aren't overlooked by Washington bureaucrats. Reid also has blamed Republicans for the explosion of earmarks when they controlled Congress.

He said Democrats went a long way in correcting the system with a bill last year that required lawmakers to put their name on the earmarks they request and to promise they have no financial stake in the projects.

The earmark ban, offered by Sen. Jim DeMint, R-South Carolina, was voted on as an amendment to the 2009 budget resolution.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, is weighing a similar proposal and is expected to announce this week whether the House of Representatives also will institute a one-year ban.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/13/earmark.vote/index.html

Fallen
03-14-2008, 07:02 AM
Sad stuff. What was the defense for those that voted against the bill? Was there any justification or argument?

Gan
03-14-2008, 07:06 AM
Havnt seen one yet. Depends on how much press this gets, as to whether or not they get in front of a camera to defend their vote.

Tsa`ah
03-14-2008, 07:19 AM
I don't see anyone being forthcoming of a defense .... simply because there isn't a defense.

I don't see McCain's endorsement as a good thing for his campaign either .... well not for party support anyway. Although Obama has been transparent about his earmarks (public works only), it won't stop McCain from hammering on him during the GE campaigns.

Clinton on the other hand is not likely to ever divulge any information about her earmarks ... largely because they have been for the profit of her sponsors and not for the true benefit of NY. There hasn't been the vaguest of suggestion of transparency.

TheEschaton
03-14-2008, 10:53 AM
Dude, the article says she released a statement and set up a web page outlining all the earmarks that she got approved. Take the blinders off a second.

-TheE-

Lyonis
03-14-2008, 11:48 AM
Earmarks that are approved are a matter of public record, but information about earmark requests that do not get approved can currently come only from the legislators themselves.



Dude, the article says she released a statement and set up a web page outlining all the earmarks that she got approved.


You mean these?



Clinton's Senate office released a statement and set up a Web page containing links to news releases about funding secured for New York projects.


Nice, except that...



It did not provide any information about earmarks that were not approved.


Obama did though :)




Take the blinders off a second.


Please refer to the bolded section in the first quote. That responsibility rests squarely on her shoulders.

Really though, congrats on sharing nothing more than what she's already legally obligated too. I'm sure she has nothing to hide.

(The Gan quotes are from the article he posted)

Gan
03-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Of all the things that I have disliked about McCain over, this is one that I really like and support. I really hope he capitalizes upon this in the GE. I'd love to see more transparency in both the earmarks proposed by each legislative candidate in addiiton to whats already provided by those earmarks that have been approved.

Intent demonstrates as much about a person's character as does effect.

TheEschaton
03-14-2008, 12:16 PM
Wait, what do the earmarks she didn't get passed matter? Or any earmarks that didn't get passed?

Gan
03-14-2008, 12:19 PM
Wait, what do the earmarks she didn't get passed matter? Or any earmarks that didn't get passed?


See the last sentence of the previous post. As a future prosecuting attorney, I find it humorous that you dont get that.

Latrinsorm
03-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Wait, what do the earmarks she didn't get passed matter? Or any earmarks that didn't get passed?If they don't matter she should have no problem releasing the information to the public. :)

Lyonis
03-14-2008, 09:35 PM
If they don't matter she should have no problem releasing the information to the public. :)

Winner

Tsa`ah
03-15-2008, 02:57 AM
Dude, the article says she released a statement and set up a web page outlining all the earmarks that she got approved. Take the blinders off a second.

-TheE-

Fair enough .... two problems though ... where is it and why not full disclosure?

Obama's FY08 requests can be found on his senate page ... his career requests were released to the press and you can find every one of them in about any Chicago newspaper archive.

Where is this Clinton page of partial disclosure? I'm sure it's there ... but where is the question I'm after.