Allow Guns on Campus

[ClydeR]

If students and teachers at colleges were allowed to carry handguns on campus, then attacks like the one yesterday and earlier at Virginia Tech would be less deadly. Armed students and teachers could quickly stop the attacker.

[Gan]

LOL

no*

*Unless you're a trained and certified peace officer. On or off duty doesnt matter.

[Hulkein]

I tend to agree, Clyder. Especially with teachers.

[Daniel]

Lol. I'd honestly be surprised if there wasn't a few people strapped or in close proximity of a gun at NIU.

The problem is that you pretty have to have it locked and loaded in the right place for it to be effective. Not exactly condusive to peace.

[Xaerve]

It's really not worth responding to his bullshit. Natural selection will phase his genes out eventually.

[JohnDoe]

LOL

no*

*Unless you're a trained and certified peace officer. On or off duty doesnt matter.
Not sure I agree with that Gan.


Oct. 1, 1997: Pearl, Miss. Sixteen-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed his mother to death, and then drove to Pearl High School where he shot and killed two students and wounded seven more. Assistant Principal Joel Myrick ended Woodham’s murderous rampage by retrieving a .45 caliber handgun from his truck, disarming Woodham and holding him until police arrived.

April 1998: Edinboro, Penn. Fourteen-year-old Andrew Wurst shot and killed a science teacher at a restaurant where a school dance was being held. Two students were wounded in the shooting spree, until restaurant owner James Strand appeared with a shotgun, chased Wurst out of the building, then captured and held him until police took him into custody.

Jan. 16, 2002: Grundy, Va. Nigerian immigrant Peter Odighizuwa, a disgruntled former student, shot and killed two faculty members and a bystander and wounded three others at the Appalachian School of Law. When students Tracy Bridges and Mikael Gross heard the gunshots, they ran to their vehicles, retrieved their handguns and confronted Odighizuwa. Faced by two armed students, Odighizuwa dropped his weapon and was subdued by a group of students.

Clipped that from an article (there are a bunch out there) that came out around the time of the VT shootings. They had a segment on CNN about this as well, recalling some of these other shootings that were ended more quickly due to students and/or faculty being armed.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

When I was in college I and many of my classmates kept weapons on campus. Hell, we hunted or fished several times a week.

[Clove]

Not sure I agree with that Gan.


I think Gan was saying arming the campus wouldn't necessarily help, unless the people armed and present on campus were trained police officers.

Having a firearm alone isn't security. Having a firearm and being well trained in its use is.

[JohnDoe]

I think Gan was saying arming the campus wouldn't necessarily help, unless the people armed and present on campus were trained police officers.

Having a firearm alone isn't security. Having a firearm and being well trained in its use is.
I thought that was an obvious point, but yes, I agree having a firearm and being well trained is a must. You don't need to be a "peace officer" to be well trained in handling a firearm.

[Drinin]

I wouldn't want just anybody carrying around a firearm on campus, however, I certainly wouldn't mind having someone well-trained and certified being able to carry a weapon. I had my conceal-carry for my junior and senior year in college and always kept a weapon in the car. The area surrounding UC is nothing but slums and crime-infested hell-holes. Three of my friends have been held up at traffic lights just driving home from school. It's ridiculous.

[Sean of the Thread]

There really needs to be more training/certification required for concealed carry in some states.

[Clove]

I thought that was an obvious point...

So did I until you posted your snippets.

[Nieninque]

...they ran to their vehicles, retrieved their handguns...

Holy crap...I dont leave my satnav in my car in case it gets stolen. Never mind a gun.

[Tsa`ah]

Would it stop attacks like this? Absolutely not.

The big thing you're leaving out here is that in both cases (NIU and VAtech) is that both shooters took their own lives.

It's sort of like saying suicide bombings would stop if everyone carried a gun. It's flawed because in either case the point is to take as many as you can with you when you go.

Let's say everyone is packing in the auditorium the most recent shooter assaulted. Do you think any of the faculty or student body is going to drop him before he gets a shot off ... when he stepped out from behind the curtain, loaded, cocked, and finger on the trigger. There's still going to be a body count, there are still going to be injured ... and in the future there may be more dead people because a few students got jumpy when the guest speaker stepped out from behind the very same curtain.

[ElanthianSiren]

I don't believe they're missing anything really, though the discussion of taking time to load etc is a good point.

The bigger problem IMO is the mindset people have of obeying an attacker who is threatening their life. I don't necessarily believe nobody would die, but I believe many less people would die if individuals reacted assertively to this type of behavior.

[JohnDoe]

To Tsa'ah: I don't think anyone was saying that they'd stop it from happening, the comment was that there'd be a chance to end an event like this more quickly which should result in less casualties.

[Clove]

...I believe many less people would die if individuals reacted assertively to this type of behavior.

Without a doubt, but out of curiosity have you ever had a loaded firearm pointed at you?

[Gan]

I think Gan was saying arming the campus wouldn't necessarily help, unless the people armed and present on campus were trained police officers.

Having a firearm alone isn't security. Having a firearm and being well trained in its use is.

Clove hits on what I'm getting at.

1. An armed populace is just as dangerous as an armed assailant if the populace have not been trained properly. I definately dont want to be in front of or in the firing direction of some noob or wannabe clint eastwood type when the lead starts flying.

2. The last thing the police need is a commonly aged/dressed assailant running around with a gun in hand along with 100+ other same aged -similarly dressed 'deputy's' and then try to figure out who's the bad guy after the shooting stops.

[Gan]

There really needs to be more training/certification required for concealed carry in some states.

^^^^
/Agreed.

[Tsa`ah]

To Tsa'ah: I don't think anyone was saying that they'd stop it from happening, the comment was that there'd be a chance to end an event like this more quickly which should result in less casualties.

This I realize .... but do you honestly think things would have turned out better in NIU?

Go arrange an experiment. In this experiment, no one can be military, police or former members of either.

Arm everyone with paintball guns, make sure everyone has the understanding that the paintball guns need to be kept in their bags ... unloaded.

Next you file these people into an auditorium and have them sit while listening to a boring speech for two hours. You do this twice a day for a month ... and let them know that at anytime someone is going to come into the room and start shooting at them and it's their job to shoot back.

Make sure everyone but the shooter has the same color paintball.

I'm sure after the monotony has set in these people will get comfortable ... and then when the attacker finally bursts into the room .... the body count from his attack won't be very different. In fact it may be higher because instead of taking cover, instead of fleeing and actually protecting themselves from an attack, many will be going for their guns ... and getting shot.

What I'm will to place money on is that after the survivors finally pepper the attacker, you're going to find there are "friendly fire" casualties.

[DeV]

What I'm will to place money on is that after the survivors finally pepper the attacker, you're going to find there are "friendly fire" casualties.This was my thought as well. Not that less people would die from the vantage point of the antagonist, but that some would die as a result of those trying to stop the attacker using their own brand of deadly force.

[Katt]

When I was in college I and many of my classmates kept weapons on campus. Hell, we hunted or fished several times a week.

My gramps talks about how when he went to class at the age of 5 he was given a rifle and a handful bullets. He'd put it in back with his lunch like the rest of the kids and after school he could go out and try and catch dinner. (He only got a handful of bullets because his mom knew if she gave him more he'd be out all night shooting. hehe)

Kids were given guns and permission to play with them yet school shootings didn't happen. I wonder what exactly has changed....schools/parents don't beat their kids enough or maybe too much?:rofl: Perhaps it is just the lack of parents teaching their children wrong from right.

[Hulkein]

I think Gan was saying arming the campus wouldn't necessarily help, unless the people armed and present on campus were trained police officers.

Having a firearm alone isn't security. Having a firearm and being well trained in its use is.

No one is saying that we should arm every student. There simply shouldn't be a restriction barring people who can legally carry to carry on campus. Most people who have gotten their permit to carry are trained enough to take out some psycho in a room full of commotion.

[Hulkein]

Would it stop attacks like this? Absolutely not.

The big thing you're leaving out here is that in both cases (NIU and VAtech) is that both shooters took their own lives.

It's sort of like saying suicide bombings would stop if everyone carried a gun. It's flawed because in either case the point is to take as many as you can with you when you go.

Let's say everyone is packing in the auditorium the most recent shooter assaulted. Do you think any of the faculty or student body is going to drop him before he gets a shot off ... when he stepped out from behind the curtain, loaded, cocked, and finger on the trigger. There's still going to be a body count, there are still going to be injured ... and in the future there may be more dead people because a few students got jumpy when the guest speaker stepped out from behind the very same curtain.

There would've been a whole lot smaller body count in the Va. Tech shootings. It doesn't have to reduce the body count to 0 to be effective.

Edited to add: Your hypo regarding paintball guns involves arming 'everyone.' I have no doubt in my mind that you are correct, if every student was given a gun and a firefight broke out, there would be friendly fire deaths. If 5 people who have taken the time to 1) buy their gun, 2) get a permit, 3) shoot their gun at a range were armed, I think the friendly fire danger is pretty low in relation to the danger of having one psycho with a gun and everyone else defenseless.

[Gan]

No one is saying that we should arm every student. There simply shouldn't be a restriction barring people who can legally carry to carry on campus. Most people who have gotten their permit to carry are trained enough to take out some psycho in a room full of commotion.

I couldnt disagree with you more.

I've been through the permit classes.

You are far too trusting in your fellow man.

I dont trust the guy next to me in having kept his license up to date, to practice at least semi-regularly at the range, to have his weapon clean and in good operating condition, and to have updated legal ammo.

There's more to owning a weapon than loading it and shoving it in a place where you can get to it when you need it.

[Sean of the Thread]

My ammo is illegal for civilians to carry :).

Anyways there are people like me that could handle a distress/pressure situation and pop a dude's melon at 25 yards and then there would be people like drew shooting all limp wristed and taking out innocents whilst squealing on his tippy toes looking the other way with every pop.

It's not the movies... guns are serious business to handle and fire accurately. *ESPECIALLY pistoles.

[Sean of the Thread]

Edited to add: Your hypo regarding paintball guns involves arming 'everyone.' I have no doubt in my mind that you are correct, if every student was given a gun and a firefight broke out, there would be friendly fire deaths. If 5 people who have taken the time to 1) buy their gun, 2) get a permit, 3) shoot their gun at a range were armed, I think the friendly fire danger is pretty low in relation to the danger of having one psycho with a gun and everyone else defenseless.

Not to mention paintball guns aren't rifled... the very large unbalanced paint laden ball already flies all over the fucking place.

[Gan]

My ammo is illegal for civilians to carry :).

Black Talon?


Since I'm not a LEO anymore I just avoid the headache and carry hydroshocks.

[Clove]

No one is saying that we should arm every student. There simply shouldn't be a restriction barring people who can legally carry to carry on campus. Most people who have gotten their permit to carry are trained enough to take out some psycho in a room full of commotion.

I'm not opposed to it either, Virginia at least has pretty decent certification standards for carrying concealed.

But Gan is also correct, you can trust your average permit holder to handle their firearm responsibly as much as you can trust your average driver to drive their car responsibly (yeah take a 10 minute drive up I-95 and let THAT one sink in).

It's risky either way, you'd just better hope that when Mr. Pyscho starts spraying lead that you've got some solid help nearby- otherwise you may be in just as much danger from your "help".

Between the two options I'm generally in favor of less restriction because I believe the responsible, good people outnumber the irresponsible and criminal; but don't have rose colored glasses about it- a firearm is as dangerous as the person wielding it is crazy/retarded.

[Asha]

Armed students and teachers could quickly stop the attacker.

I could imagine there would be big problems handing over detensions etc.
Plus the kids could only play tag once. Ever.

[Sean of the Thread]

Black Talon?


Since I'm not a LEO anymore I just avoid the headache and carry hydroshocks.

I have about 500 rounds of 9mm black talon stocked away. I don't even own a 9mm anymore however.

My carry ammo is +p+ speer golddot .357sig . I also use corbon but since I always practice with what I carry I've made the transition to the golddot as they're about $1 a round compared to corbon's $2 a round.

Both are fucking nasty in .357sig.

[Katt]

What about if teachers carried a gun that fired something other than bullets? I see those people on cops who get shot by the electric thing and usually they are out on the ground way fast. So even if a teacher did get someone innocent.... at least it wouldn't result in death. I don't know much about those things though.

More metal detectors to catch the gun before it makes it into school might help too... Although I suppose the killer would just wait till school is out and all the kids are standing outside waiting to go home or something.

I can't imagine having the balls and lack of emotion to shoot another human that isn't risking the life of yourself or people around you.

[Clove]

I could imagine there would be big problems handing over detensions etc.
Plus the kids could only play tag once. Ever.

Yeah but think of how much fun dodgeball would be?

If you can dodge a bullet... you can dodge a ball....

[Asha]

Y
If you can dodge a bullet... you can dodge a ball....

:lol: Perfect

[Gan]

LOL

[Sean of the Thread]

I see those people on cops who get shot by the electric thing
http://rdr.zazzle.com/img/imt-prd/pd-235853150181908719/tl-don_t_taze_me_bro_shirt.jpg

[Blud]

Jesus, I just heard about NIU today over lunch...That's terrible.

[Latrinsorm]

Kids were given guns and permission to play with them yet school shootings didn't happen.Worked out pretty well for Charles Whitman, huh?

[Stanley Burrell]

They already do allow guns on campus.

It's called the campus police.

Or Staties if you've gone to the Berkeley-esque flavor of Universities I have. Westchester bomb squad = true.

[Stanley Burrell]

LEO

Low Earth Orbit?

To quote Dave Chappelle, please don't report this post because I'm a liberal/talked shit about your ex:

http://www.screenhead.com/funny/PBBBBBBBBeewewe.JPG

"MARS, NIGGA!"

[ElanthianSiren]

Without a doubt, but out of curiosity have you ever had a loaded firearm pointed at you?

I haven't (with serious intent anyway). The thing is, you don't have to have that happen to know you won't put up with it.

I didn't at all used to believe that using aggression in those types of situations was necessary, but things change when you independently attend the funerals of your best friends and two other close friends (and one of their daughters) after they're murdered. For me, it shifted to realizing you can't hesitate with someone who is directly threatening your life (because they don't have your best interest at heart, obviously).

[Warriorbird]

I've had a loaded firearm pointed at me. I got off the porch. I'm not sure I wouldn't have gotten the heck out of there even if I'd had a gun.

Some places already allow concealed carry on campus for people with the permits. I'm still not sure most of those people would always carry their weapons or be prepared for something happening suddenly.

It's a horrible thing. I hope my cousin and all the other folks can move past this at Northern Illinois and begin to heal like Virginia Tech has.

I'm not in favor of most gun control... but people might want to look at the issues with online gun purchases as well as waiving HIPAA regarding gun purchases.

[Stanley Burrell]

I've had a loaded firearm pointed at me. I got off the porch. I'm not sure I wouldn't have gotten the heck out of there even if I'd had a gun.

Some places already allow concealed carry on campus for people with the permits. I'm still not sure most of those people would always carry their weapons or be prepared for something happening suddenly.

It's a horrible thing. I hope my cousin and all the other folks can move past this at Northern Illinois and begin to heal like Virginia Tech has.

I'm not in favor of most gun control... but people might want to look at the issues with online gun purchases as well as waiving HIPAA regarding gun purchases.

When a shooting occurs at a university, it is almost always due to a lack of protection/fault that falls primarily on that college's fuck-up.

This, however, looks to be an incident that amidst a sea of stupid fucking shootings, really seems as though unpreventable actually serves as an accurate description of the shooter. Sucks.

[Lyonis]

Between the two options I generally in favor of less restriction because I believe the responsible, good people outnumber the irresponsible and criminal; but don't have rose colored glasses about it- a firearm is as dangerous as the person wielding it is crazy/retarded.


Agreed. I’d rather take my chances with a well intentioned person trying to help the situation that may not do the right thing than with someone who is trying to put his name on the spree killer high score chart.

Even those who would be considered well trained can make mistakes. If you’ve ever done a military style live fire range where you’re maneuvering and firing, you can see just how easy it is to accidentally shoot your buddy. And that’s without the pressure of someone shooting back at you, which fortunately I’ve never had to experience.


I haven't (with serious intent anyway).

I assume you knew this person and were at least on friendly terms to feel confident in knowing their intent wasn’t serious. So the question is, what kind of dipshit friends do you have that point loaded weapons at you?




The thing is, you don't have to have that happen to know you won't put up with it.


While not as completely retarded as your last statement(you did set a high bar!), definitely the same ballpark.

[Clove]

I haven't (with serious intent anyway). The thing is, you don't have to have that happen to know you won't put up with it.

I didn't at all used to believe that using aggression in those types of situations was necessary, but things change when you independently attend the funerals of your best friends and two other close friends (and one of their daughters) after they're murdered. For me, it shifted to realizing you can't hesitate with someone who is directly threatening your life (because they don't have your best interest at heart, obviously).

I don't disagree with you at all. Action is what's required when your life is threatened. But there is a reason why soldiers, police and others who may have to face those situations need to be trained to cope with them effectively.

[Bartlett]

As one of the targets of his satire, I can't venture a guess as to what ClydeR's point of view actually is, but I mainly agree with the statement. The BS scenario of arming up a bunch of college kids with paintball guns to have one last stand at the OK corral is not even close to the scenario that is supported by advocates of concealed carry for citizens. At the most basic level, if I am liensed and deemed OK to carry a handgun, this right should not be taken away because I step onto a college campus, or drive to the kindergarten to get my kid from school. I am surprised some of the concealed carry advocates on this site are actually in favor of limiting their right to defend themselves and the third party. If you have an issue with the manner in which licenses are given, then by all means, discuss that. That issue, however, is not a good reason to say you can carry here, but not here. If I can carry in a mall, I could just as easily carry at a school.

I wouldn't be in favor of arming all the students and teachers at all. However, if the laws stay like they are and guns are banned from most schools, I would be in favor of some kind of volunteer program like they have for pilots now being extended to teachers / faculty.

While I am not in favor of requiring special classes to get a permit, I could support a system that required you to take one within x months of getting your license, much like you can be a cop in many areas without going to the academy for 6 months to a year after being blessed off.

It is also noteworthy that Illinois is one of two states that do not issue, or accept from any other states, carry permits.

[Tsa`ah]

As one of the targets of his satire, I can't venture a guess as to what ClydeR's point of view actually is, but I mainly agree with the statement. The BS scenario of arming up a bunch of college kids with paintball guns to have one last stand at the OK corral is not even close to the scenario that is supported by advocates of concealed carry for citizens.

I'm sorry you feel the scenario is BS. The point is valid no matter what you believe. It would display two wholly unavoidable truths ... it won't stop a single casualty, let alone reduce them ... and the probability of students shooting other students while returning fire is a pretty high probability.

As Gan pointed out, having a permit only indicates the government deemed you competent enough. It doesn't mean you're trained nor does it really mean you're competent.

I know more than a handfull of people with permits to carry concealed .... and I don't consider any of them competent enough to defend themselves with a gun in public, let alone competent enough to handle a gun in an event similar to what has recently happened.


At the most basic level, if I am liensed and deemed OK to carry a handgun, this right should not be taken away because I step onto a college campus, or drive to the kindergarten to get my kid from school.

It absolutely should. The permit to carry a concealed weapon is generally issued (for those that aren't in the police or security ranks) to people who are in positions to get robbed. You carrying a loaded weapon on campus and not having anything remotely close to police training makes you a walking hazard. Doubly so when you carry a loaded weapon around children. YOU lack the judgement necessary to not endanger those around you if the situation ever arose for you to draw a weapon.


I am surprised some of the concealed carry advocates on this site are actually in favor of limiting their right to defend themselves and the third party. If you have an issue with the manner in which licenses are given, then by all means, discuss that. That issue, however, is not a good reason to say you can carry here, but not here. If I can carry in a mall, I could just as easily carry at a school.

It is absolutely the reason. While it is unfortunate that educational institutions have been the targets of attack, they're not the reason why permits for concealed are issued .... specifically because of hazard it poses. I don't want anyone who is not a cop walking around with a loaded firearm near my children .... and neither should you.

You could argue that there should be additional training required for permits, but then you wouldn't be going to college for a BA or BS ... you'd be going to a police academy and may as well become a cop afterward ... that's the only amount of training that would make anyone reasonably competent for a permit with the intent of "defending" one's self on a college campus.


I wouldn't be in favor of arming all the students and teachers at all. However, if the laws stay like they are and guns are banned from most schools, I would be in favor of some kind of volunteer program like they have for pilots now being extended to teachers / faculty.

While I am not in favor of requiring special classes to get a permit, I could support a system that required you to take one within x months of getting your license, much like you can be a cop in many areas without going to the academy for 6 months to a year after being blessed off.

See above.


It is also noteworthy that Illinois is one of two states that do not issue, or accept from any other states, carry permits.

Most states will not acknowledge an out of state permit ... in fact I doubt there exists a single state that will acknowledge it.

Also, while you mention Illinois (and Wisconsin) as the two states that will not issue such permits, you make it sound as if other states do it on a whim. In almost every state that will issue the permit ... you have to justify the necessity of having it (outside of Alaska and Vermont), some require many levels of justification in conjunction with various levels of law enforcement.

[Bartlett]

It absolutely should. The permit to carry a concealed weapon is generally issued (for those that aren't in the police or security ranks) to people who are in positions to get robbed.

I believe there are 28 or 29 states with Shall Issue concealed carry permit laws. This number is growing, not shrinking. Some do have requirements such as a gun safety courses and fingerprinting, some don't. In these states, having a need based on being rich or something like that is not required. Generally, if you have 8-16 hours to burn and are not a felon/violent misdemeanor convictee, a shall issue state cannot legally deny you a permit. You are right though, theyusually ask for a reason. The answer is "all lawful purposes," or simply "self-defense” Those answers apply equally in the woods, the mall, or a school. It has nothing to do with your bankroll. My need/right to self defense does not end because I am on school property that provides a ford escape with a yellow light bar and a radio for my protection. Maybe the friends you mentioned who are unfit to carry should spend less time counting their wads of cash in public and more time spending it at the local shooting range.


Most states will not acknowledge an out of state permit ... in fact I doubt there exists a single state that will acknowledge it.

NH is a very easy state to get licensed in. All you need is 10 bucks and residency (20 bucks without the residency). With no disqualifying events as listed above, they have 2 weeks to get you your permit, or they are breaking the law. Here is a list of states where that 10 bucks and a NH driver's license gives you concealed carry rights : Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Wyoming. A majority of states accept out of state licenses when the laws in the issuing state are similar. Some shall issue states, like Maine, will not reciprocate because you can get an out of state permit for a hefty fee. (comparably to the resident) The list could be longer, but many states reject NH because they don't require a safety course. I really only brought up the tidbit about the laws in IL to make a point about how effective strict carry laws are.


I'm sorry you feel the scenario is BS. The point is valid no matter what you believe.

As for why I call BS on your auditorium situation, while technically if that scenario ever actually occurred you could be right, it is beyond unreasonable to think that if guns were allowed on a campus that every student would run out to get a gun, a permit, and then carry it everyday to class. I highly doubt that while I am walking the mall, I am the only one with a firearm. However, when some scumbag shows up with a shotgun, it is ridiculous to think that the whole crowd is going to draw down and start pounding rounds in the guy's general direction. Can it happen? Yeah, unfortunately even cops shoot each other and bystanders, but I can also say it would probably get even more media attention than the gobs of school shootings we have been hearing about if it did. It is far more likely that the untrained masses will forget they even have a gun while they are on the ground defecating. You chose to defend your position with a totally unreasonable situation and totally disregard the violent crimes that actually happen, particularly against women, on campus when they are alone with the scumbag.


You could argue that there should be additional training required for permits, but then you wouldn't be going to college for a BA or BS ... you'd be going to a police academy and may as well become a cop afterward ... that's the only amount of training that would make anyone reasonably competent for a permit with the intent of "defending" one's self on a college campus.


As a member of this group, it is my opinion that you would probably be more than slightly disappointed in the amount of training actually given/required for someone to become an armed professional. I know I am. Actual handling of the weapon is typically a 1-2 week course, and only requires 2 consecutive piss poor scores to pass. Many departments give you as many tries as needed to pass. It is a pretty basic proficiency check, not some high speed training session. I could be incorrect on this, but I also believe most departments don't require recurrent training, just a passing score.

A common statement when taking part in law enforcement training sessions is to continue your own training because you will not rise to the occasion under stress, you will sink to the level of your training. This goes for anyone who makes a decision to carry a firearm and the reality is, without training, your gun will probably never even make it out of its holster.

[Gan]

Low Earth Orbit?

LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

[Sean of the Thread]

Most states will not acknowledge an out of state permit ... in fact I doubt there exists a single state that will acknowledge it.



Wow you whiffed hard on that statement.

Reciprocity of carry permits is one of the biggest strides made over the years for people who carry.

For example my Florida permit is honored in the following:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/maps/florida_map.gif

This is a good site to keep current. http://www.handgunlaw.us/

[Clove]

Most states will not acknowledge an out of state permit ... in fact I doubt there exists a single state that will acknowledge it.

... you have to justify the necessity of having it (outside of Alaska and Vermont)...

You're really batting a 1.000.

[Gan]

NOT THAT AGAIN!

:lol:

[Sweets]

If students and teachers at colleges were allowed to carry handguns on campus, then attacks like the one yesterday and earlier at Virginia Tech would be less deadly. Armed students and teachers could quickly stop the attacker.

I automatically thought of the episode of King of the Hill where Joseph was on Hanks couch in his underwear with during a massive heatwave.

He explained to Hank that he couldn't go home because Dale was fighting fire with fire by cranking the heat in the house.

Heat in a heatwave. Fight a gun problem by throwing more guns in the mix.

Let's change all fire engines to shoot flames instead of water. That way they can fight fire with fire too.

(I didn't read this whole thread, just the first stupid post.)

[Clove]

Let's change all fire engines to shoot flames instead of water. That way they can fight fire with fire too.

Sorry Sweets but you win the Dumbest Analogy Ever award.

Reminds me of this story:

Paddy and Seamus were flying from Boston to Dublin on a 747. Half way across the Atlantic, there was a loud noise outside the plane - one of the engines fell off the wing.

A short while later the captain announced 'Ladies and gentlemen, we're very sorry to advise that we have lost one of our engines. However, there is no need to worry - the plane can fly perfectly safely on three engines. However, because we now have one less engine, we're unable to fly quite so fast, and we estimate that we'll now be approximately 45 minutes late arriving into Dublin.'

Seamus nodded to Paddy, and they each calmly ordered another Bushmills.

The flight continued, then all of a sudden, the plane lurched sharply to the left, then straightened up again. Paddy looked out the window, and saw flames streaming out of one of the two engines on that wing. After a minute or two, the flames died out.

The captain made another announcement. 'Ah, sorry about that, but we've just had a fire break out in one of our three remaining engines. Fortunately, the fire extinguishing system worked perfectly, but of course we've had to shut that engine down. Don't worry - we still have two perfectly good engines, and the plane is continuing safely. So as not to overstress the two remaining engines, we're cutting back our cruise speed, and estimate that we'll now be about two hours late arriving into Dublin'.

Seamus and Paddy looked anxiously at their watches, then relaxed and ordered another Bushmills.

Well, bad things happen in threes. Half an hour later, Paddy said to Seamus 'Did you hear that - the engines sound different?'. They discussed what that might mean for several minutes, and then the Captain's voice came over the announcement system again.

'Ah, ladies and gentleman, I don't quite know how to tell you this, but we've had a problem with another engine. We've had to shut it down, but, if my math is correct, that still leaves us with one perfectly good engine, and I promise you we're going to look after that one very carefully, all the rest of the way to Dublin. We'll probably now be about three or four hours late.'

Seamus looked at his watch, calculated when they would now be arriving into Dublin, and said to Paddy 'We're running very late already. I sure hope we don't lose the last engine or else we'll be up here all day'.

[Sean of the Thread]

Holy shit sweets that wins the most retarded post of the weekend. (thus far.. backlash or clyder still got time.)

[Stretch]

I think we're all forgetting something very important. See quote.

And remember, guns don't kill people. Dangerous minorities do. (http://www.funny-videos.co.uk/video86GunSafety.html)

[Clove]

I like Chris Rock's idea. You can have any firearm you like... but each round is gonna cost you 1000 bucks. :D

[875000]

During my freshman year in college I was in a coed dorm. My roomate's father came to visit and he made an interesting observation.

When he went school here, he was allowed to have alcohol, animals, and firearms in his room. The one thing he was not allowed to have in there was a woman after hours (all the former have since banned, although women are now allowed).

The irony being, depsite all of that freedom, he would have given it up to just have that one thing ...

[ElanthianSiren]

I assume you knew this person and were at least on friendly terms to feel confident in knowing their intent wasn’t serious. So the question is, what kind of dipshit friends do you have that point loaded weapons at you?


While not as completely retarded as your last statement(you did set a high bar!), definitely the same ballpark.

I have once accidentally had a hunting rifle pointed at me, which sucked but was a mistake so no intent. I have also once had a handgun pointed at me as a kid by a cousin who didn't think it was loaded. It turned out to be loaded, so yeah that wasn't great.

So if someone is directly threatening your life, you plan to simply take it. Better you than me. What's your point?

[Stanley Burrell]

::BELLS:: ::WHISTLES::

::hissss:: PRO-GUN VERSUS GUN BAN ::rah-rah-sis-koom-ba!::

ONE MILLIONTH WEBLOG THREAD DISCUSSING PRO VS. ANTI-GUN ARGUMENTS.

::tokens fall out of the machine::

[Stanley Burrell]

Dun-dun-dunnn!

[Lysander]

Just recently 8 people died and a whole lot of people badly injured at a illegal drag race in Maryland.

What people don't understand is that the low body count shootings 1 or 2 doesn't get covered by the media but are highly prevalent (like hundred or more A DAY across the nation). If that VT killer spread out his kills to 1 a month at different places, it wouldn't have gotten nearly the amount of media coverage (probably none).

So, you give people guns on campus and yes the once in a while huge shootings will probably stop or be stopped short of becoming big shootings. But the amount of smaller "shit my team lost the game/stop fucking my girlfriend/dude where the fucks my money?!?!" shootings will increase by a crap load. And you total those up over a year and the body count will get a crap ton higher then a Columbine every few months.

[Tsa`ah]

Wow you whiffed hard on that statement.

Reciprocity of carry permits is one of the biggest strides made over the years for people who carry.

For example my Florida permit is honored in the following:

http://www.handgunlaw.us/maps/florida_map.gif

This is a good site to keep current. http://www.handgunlaw.us/

My bad, I didn't realize how much change has occurred since 93'.

However, looking into it ... your link leaves out specifics. Reciprocity appears to be pretty patchy.

There was this article outlining the flaws in reciprocity .....
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/rk0407/

Then there's this chart detailing those flaws ....
http://www.ccrkba.org/reciprocity.html

Using the above as a reference ... your FL permit is only acknowledged by 27 states. Additionally they only acknowledges the permits held by FL residents. I take this to mean that FL issues permits to non-FL residents.

Outside of reciprocity, my point stands. I don't believe the level of responsibility, let alone competency, is there to allow students to pack on campus. Binge drinking and outright breakouts of stupidity are all to common to throw guns into the mix.

[Tsa`ah]

Just recently 8 people died and a whole lot of people badly injured at a illegal drag race in Maryland.


Reading the story (that did go national in the papers), it appeared to be a story more suited for Darwinawards.com than it does for national television media.

[DTLarson]

My bad, I didn't realize how much change has occurred since 93'.

However, looking into it ... your link leaves out specifics. Reciprocity appears to be pretty patchy.

There was this article outlining the flaws in reciprocity .....
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/rk0407/

Then there's this chart detailing those flaws ....
http://www.ccrkba.org/reciprocity.html

Using the above as a reference ... your FL permit is only acknowledged by 27 states. Additionally they only acknowledges the permits held by FL residents. I take this to mean that FL issues permits to non-FL residents.

Outside of reciprocity, my point stands. I don't believe the level of responsibility, let alone competency, is there to allow students to pack on campus. Binge drinking and outright breakouts of stupidity are all to common to throw guns into the mix.

I have a resident Connecticut pistol permit and a non-resident Florida pistol permit. I am allowed to carry a pistol in a total of 28 states with those two permits. Non-resident permits are accepted in many states for reciprocity.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

[Tsa`ah]

I have a resident Connecticut pistol permit and a non-resident Florida pistol permit. I am allowed to carry a pistol in a total of 28 states with those two permits. Non-resident permits are accepted in many states for reciprocity.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

I believe the links I posted cleared that up, thanks ... however, your FL permit is only good in FL ... and the CT permit isn't acknowledge by any other state. So legally you can carry concealed in FL and CT according to the second link.

[Tsa`ah]

Apparently I got that backward (reading the chart that is).

A CT permit is recognized by 14 other states ... so your count is 15 with the FL permit. A resident FL permit is recognized by 29 other states. CT doesn't recognize any out of state permit.

[CrystalTears]

You can't carry the weapon around with in CT. The license is to own one, and to transport it from one place to another if necessary, but you can't be walking around with it on you all the time.

[ClydeR]

I tend to agree, Clyder. Especially with teachers.

If it is limited to teachers, then it won't be as effective. Many teachers would not be interested in carrying a gun. If an assailant knew that only teachers were armed, then he would always shoot the teacher first. Potential shooters need to know that there may be multiple people with guns and that there is no way to know in advance who has a gun.

[ClydeR]

Lol. I'd honestly be surprised if there wasn't a few people strapped or in close proximity of a gun at NIU.

The problem is that you pretty have to have it locked and loaded in the right place for it to be effective. Not exactly condusive to peace.

That's what safeties are for.

[Sean of the Thread]

That's what safeties are for.

Wrong.

That's what double action is for.

[Parkbandit]

Apparently I got that backward (reading the chart that is).

A CT permit is recognized by 14 other states ... so your count is 15 with the FL permit. A resident FL permit is recognized by 29 other states. CT doesn't recognize any out of state permit.


:rofl:

So DTLarson said he could carry a gun in 28 states with a CT and FL cwp.. and he was more or less right?

[CrystalTears]

:rofl:

So DTLarson said he could carry a gun in 28 states with a CT and FL cwp.. and he was more or less right?
Pretty much.

[Lyonis]

I have once accidentally had a hunting rifle pointed at me, which sucked but was a mistake so no intent.

Sorry that your friend has poor eyesight or that you look like a farm animal?



I have also once had a handgun pointed at me as a kid by a cousin who didn't think it was loaded. It turned out to be loaded, so yeah that wasn't great.

Hence my comment about your friends being dipshits. If you can't practice the most basic of all gun safety steps, treat everything like it's loaded until you know it's not, you have no business having access to a firearm.




What's your point?



While not as completely retarded as your last statement(you did set a high bar!), definitely the same ballpark.

^^^^

That unless you've actually been in a situation where someone is pointing a weapon at you with malice, you have no clue how you'll react and to say so is foolish. While you may be able to rationalize right now what you think would be the proper reaction based on your life experiences, when fear and adrenaline are present who knows what you'll do.

I've only had one encounter where there were loaded weapons pointed at me and it was the friendly neighborhood boys in blue. I was able to rationalize that more than likely they really don't want to shoot me and if I give them no cause to I'm going to be okay. It was still hella fucking scary though and I assure you I followed all given instructions to the letter. What if one of those Cops was a friend of yours with all of the implied gun savvy? I might not be around to tell the story :)

[diethx]

Sorry that your friend has poor eyesight or that you look like a farm animal?



Hence my comment about your friends being dipshits. If you can't practice the most basic of all gun safety steps, treat everything like it's loaded until you know it's not, you have no business having access to a firearm.






^^^^

That unless you've actually been in a situation where someone is pointing a weapon at you with malice, you have no clue how you'll react and to say so is foolish. While you may be able to rationalize right now what you think would be the proper reaction based on your life experiences, when fear and adrenaline are present who knows what you'll do.

I've only had one encounter where there were loaded weapons pointed at me and it was the friendly neighborhood boys in blue. I was able to rationalize that more than likely they really don't want to shoot me and if I give them no cause to I'm going to be okay. It was still hella fucking scary though and I assure you I followed all given instructions to the letter. What if one of those Cops was a friend of yours with all of the implied gun savvy? I might not be around to tell the story :)

You don't know about her ex-boyfriend. It may as well have been a gun he held to her head when he was squishing her from above. She has incredible self control, if you ask me.

[Lyonis]

You don't know about her ex-boyfriend. It may as well have been a gun he held to her head when he was squishing her from above. She has incredible self control, if you ask me.

:rofl:

Love your avatar by the way :)

[Tsa`ah]

You can't carry the weapon around with in CT. The license is to own one, and to transport it from one place to another if necessary, but you can't be walking around with it on you all the time.

CT issues CCW permits .... meaning you can carry a concealed firearm with you at all times with the exception of specific public properties.


:rofl:

So DTLarson said he could carry a gun in 28 states with a CT and FL cwp.. and he was more or less right?


Pretty much.

You two need to learn to read ... or at least comprehend half of what you read before you post.

DTLarson has a resident ccw permit for CT and a non-resident ccw permit for FL.

This allows him to legally carry a concealed weapon in 15 states. The CT CCW permit allows him to carry in 14 other states (AK, AZ, ID, IN, KY, MI, MO, MT, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT) the FL permit allows him to carry in FL alone. The FL permit is a non-resident permit and as such is not recognized by any state other than FL.

So it isn't "pretty much", or even "more or less" correct to state that the combined permits function in 28 states. 15 is the number (excluding the obvious of CT).

[DTLarson]

You can't carry the weapon around with in CT. The license is to own one, and to transport it from one place to another if necessary, but you can't be walking around with it on you all the time.

I'm sorry, but your very mistaken about that. First, its not a license, it's a permit. It even says on the front of mine "State Permit to Carry Pistols and Revolvers" A person with one of these permits can carry a pistol on themselves anywhere in the state, except the State Capitol and Legislative Office Building, any building in which a legislative committee’s office is located or where the committee is having a public hearing, and any official office of legislators or legislative employees, K-12 schools, courthouses, and state parks/forests unless permitted by the DEP.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0547.htm

[DTLarson]

CT issues CCW permits .... meaning you can carry a concealed firearm with you at all times with the exception of specific public properties.





You two need to learn to read ... or at least comprehend half of what you read before you post.

DTLarson has a resident ccw permit for CT and a non-resident ccw permit for FL.

This allows him to legally carry a concealed weapon in 15 states. The CT CCW permit allows him to carry in 14 other states (AK, AZ, ID, IN, KY, MI, MO, MT, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT) the FL permit allows him to carry in FL alone. The FL permit is a non-resident permit and as such is not recognized by any state other than FL.

So it isn't "pretty much", or even "more or less" correct to state that the combined permits function in 28 states. 15 is the number (excluding the obvious of CT).

Just read this one. The non-resident Florida permit does allow me to carry in other states, not just Florida. There are a few states that will only accept a Florida resident permit and not the non-resident permit. I did not include that in the number of stated I said I was allowed to carry in. There is a reason that many people get Utah and Florida non-resident permits and that is because they have reciprocity with the most states for their non-resident permits.

[Tsa`ah]

I'm going by a permit site (link provided) that shows non-resident FL permits are only acknowledged by FL.

Additionally ... the Florida dept of Ag and Consumer Services Division of Licensing clearly states ...

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html


(4) These states will honor the Florida concealed weapon license ONLY IF the licensee is a resident of the State of Florida.

[DTLarson]

Try this map: http://carryconcealed.net/legal/reciprocity.php


Also that is only for states with the number 4 next to them. So the only states on that list that only accecept Florida resident permits and not non-resident permits are Colorado, Kansas, Michigan, New Hampshire, and West Virginia.

[Tsa`ah]

And I had a dur moment. Which will teach me to read into the unfamiliar late into the night.

My bad ... the clause was to denote specific states that do not recognize non-resident permits. Colorado, Kansas, Michigan, New Hampshire, and West Virginia.

[Parkbandit]

To have a "Tsa'ah" moment:

Ability to google up something and proclaim yourself an expert in it.. only to not read it correctly (again)

[ElanthianSiren]

Hence my comment about your friends being dipshits. If you can't practice the most basic of all gun safety steps, treat everything like it's loaded until you know it's not, you have no business having access to a firearm.


I've only had one encounter where there were loaded weapons pointed at me and it was the friendly neighborhood boys in blue. I was able to rationalize that more than likely they really don't want to shoot me and if I give them no cause to I'm going to be okay. It was still hella fucking scary though and I assure you I followed all given instructions to the letter. What if one of those Cops was a friend of yours with all of the implied gun savvy? I might not be around to tell the story :)

:lol: OHMGZ YOUR COUSIN R DUMB FOR NOT KNOWING ALL ABOUT GUNS WHEN HE R CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111one

As diethx pointed out to you, it's infinitely possible to predict how you will react. I'm sorry the difference between cops and assailants eludes you, but I assure you, there is one. Likewise, it's sad that the fact that I know what I'd do in an emergency situation when quite a few people are in danger hurts your e-peen so badly, but I'm sure I'll sleep okay tonight.

Now, you can continue arguing with me, "You have no idea!!!" like you know me, or you can accept that you don't know what you'd do, which is fine by me, but stop projecting your indecision on everyone else.


ps. Hunting rifles are generally not used on farm animals, dipshit.

[Stanley Burrell]

You can basically buy handguns in Wal-Mart here in The Constitution State.

[diethx]

:rofl:

Love your avatar by the way :)

tyvm!

[CrystalTears]

I'm sorry, but your very mistaken about that. First, its not a license, it's a permit. It even says on the front of mine "State Permit to Carry Pistols and Revolvers" A person with one of these permits can carry a pistol on themselves anywhere in the state, except the State Capitol and Legislative Office Building, any building in which a legislative committee’s office is located or where the committee is having a public hearing, and any official office of legislators or legislative employees, K-12 schools, courthouses, and state parks/forests unless permitted by the DEP.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0547.htm
No you're right. My bad. I was actually reading about the eligibility certificates at the time and confused them with the permits. Mea culpa. :)

[Clove]

You two need to learn to read ... or at least comprehend half of what you read before you post.

Physician, heal thyself. Had you bothered to acquaint yourself with the CURRENT reciprocity laws prior to posting you wouldn't have shot your mouth off half-cocked in the first place (sorry PC, couldn't resist the pun opportunities).

[Gan]

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

Physician, heal thyself. Had you bothered to acquaint yourself with the CURRENT reciprocity laws prior to posting you wouldn't have shot your mouth off half-cocked in the first place (sorry PC, couldn't resist the pun opportunities).

Hey now, back in '93 he was batting .1000!

[Lyonis]

:lol: OHMGZ YOUR COUSIN R DUMB FOR NOT KNOWING ALL ABOUT GUNS WHEN HE R CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111one

You're right, I'm sorry. Now that I know that your family gave a child, without proper training to boot by your own admission, access to a firearm, I take back everything I said about your loved ones being retarded

/endsarcasm



As diethx pointed out to you, it's infinitely possible to predict how you will react.

You mean this?


You don't know about her ex-boyfriend. It may as well have been a gun he held to her head when he was squishing her from above. She has incredible self control, if you ask me.

I thought he/she was implying that you had a really fat ex boyfriend.


I'm sorry the difference between cops and assailants eludes you, but I assure you, there is one.

I'm sorry that the difference between an assailant and your child cousin eludes you.



Likewise, it's sad that the fact that I know what I'd do in an emergency situation when quite a few people are in danger hurts your e-peen so badly, but I'm sure I'll sleep okay tonight. Now, you can continue arguing with me, "You have no idea!!!" like you know me, or you can accept that you don't know what you'd do, which is fine by me, but stop projecting your indecision on everyone else.

Except that you don't know because you've never been there. In layman's terms we call that talking out of your ass. Which I imagine is rather large since you've been mistaken for a hunting target, again by your own admission.



ps. Hunting rifles are generally not used on farm animals, dipshit.

I never said your family was the brightest, in fact I said something quite opposite.

[diethx]

I was pointing out that she had a really fat ex boyfriend, yes. I was also pointing out that she's calm, collected, and excellent under pressure (haha, but seriously).

[Lyonis]

I was pointing out that she had a really fat ex boyfriend, yes. I was also pointing out that she's calm, collected, and excellent under pressure (haha, but seriously).

LOL, You R Winnar :)

[Parkbandit]

I was pointing out that she had a really fat ex boyfriend, yes. I was also pointing out that she's calm, collected, and excellent under pressure (haha, but seriously).

:rofl:

You get that by the way she posts here? O'rly?

[diethx]

:rofl:

You get that by the way she posts here? O'rly?

No, I get that by the way i've known her for 10 years and hung out with her IRL.

[Clove]

I have once accidentally had a hunting rifle pointed at me, which sucked but was a mistake so no intent. I have also once had a handgun pointed at me as a kid by a cousin who didn't think it was loaded. It turned out to be loaded, so yeah that wasn't great.

So if someone is directly threatening your life, you plan to simply take it. Better you than me. What's your point?

I've said this before even though people rarely want to believe me. It's difficult to predict how you'll react to intense situations of stress prior to the situation unless you've been trained in it.

This is so because of what experts call the "optimal state of arousal" and it is rarely reached without training.


Dave Grossman, a former army lieutenant colonel and the author of On Killing argues that... the range in which stress improves performance... is when our heart rate is between 115 and 145 beats per minute... Most of us, under pressure, get too aroused, and past a certain point, our bodies begin shutting down so many sources of information that we start becoming useless... "After 145," Grossman says, "bad things begin to happen. Complex motor skills start to break down. Doing something with one hand and not the other becomes very difficult... at 175, we begin to see an absolute breakdown of cognitive processing,"... Gavin de Becker, who runs a security firm in Los Angeles and is the author of the book the Gift of Fear, says... his trainess are required to repeatedly confront a ferocious dog. "In the beginning, their heart rate is 175. they can't see straight. Then the second or third time, it's 120, and then it's 110 and they can function."

Blink - by Malcolm Gladwell


Everyone likes to THINK they know how they'll respond, but unless you've taken the time to train and simulate- the odds are that the average person will shut down under life-threatening stress. It has nothing to do with being stupid, or foolish; it has everything to do with being unprepared.

[Parkbandit]

No, I get that by the way i've known her for 10 years and hung out with her IRL.


Esh.. sorry.

[diethx]

Esh.. sorry.

For what? I :heart: Melissa. ;)

[Tsa`ah]

To have a "Tsa'ah" moment:

Ability to google up something and proclaim yourself an expert in it.. only to not read it correctly (again)


Physician, heal thyself. Had you bothered to acquaint yourself with the CURRENT reciprocity laws prior to posting you wouldn't have shot your mouth off half-cocked in the first place (sorry PC, couldn't resist the pun opportunities).


:lol:


Hey now, back in '93 he was batting .1000!

Wow ... the crowd up my ass is just growing .... can it be true that more and more attention starved idiots are flocking to the internet for some e-validation?

Gents, you're going to have to back up a few paces .... the sign says "total capicity 0".

Keep this up and it'll just further the notion that you guys have wood for me ... considering you didn't jump all over CT .... and she didn't even correct herself.

[Clove]

No you're right. My bad. I was actually reading about the eligibility certificates at the time and confused them with the permits. Mea culpa. :)


You two need to learn to read ... or at least comprehend half of what you read before you post.


Physician, heal thyself...

CT made an error and corrected herself. You on the other hand didn't even bother to acquaint yourself with current gun permit laws before sharing your expert opinion with us. Really, I know the front desk can get boring but why don't you just take a quick walk around the property or something?

[Parkbandit]

Wow ... the crowd up my ass is just growing .... can it be true that more and more attention starved idiots are flocking to the internet for some e-validation?

Gents, you're going to have to back up a few paces .... the sign says "total capicity 0".

Keep this up and it'll just further the notion that you guys have wood for me ... considering you didn't jump all over CT .... and she didn't even correct herself.


:rofl:

When in doubt, claim guys want to fuck you up the ass to distract from your stupidity. Well played.

Sounds to me someone is fantasizing again. Sorry pal, I like the ladies... not guys who have lady like tendencies.

PS - You should fire your sign guy.. as he is obviously as stupid as you are.

[Gan]

Wow ... the crowd up my ass is just growing .... can it be true that more and more attention starved idiots are flocking to the internet for some e-validation?

Gents, you're going to have to back up a few paces .... the sign says "total capicity 0".

Keep this up and it'll just further the notion that you guys have wood for me ... considering you didn't jump all over CT .... and she didn't even correct herself.

I'm just laughing at you. Something you should be used to by now.

[Clove]

Some other things that were going on in 1993:

The Late Show with David Letterman debuts on CBS.

A federal judge sentences LAPD officers Stacey Koon and Laurence Powell to 30 months in prison for violating motorist Rodney King's civil rights.

Microsoft unveils Windows NT.

The television sitcom, Cheers ends an 11-year run on NBC.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents raid the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas with a warrant to arrest cult leader David Koresh. Four BATF agents and five Davidians die in the initial raid, starting a 51-day standoff.

First public alpha version, 0.2 of Doom released.

For the first time, Martin Luther King Jr. holiday is officially observed in all 50 United States states.

In Moscow, George H. W. Bush and Boris Yeltsin sign the second Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty

[Parkbandit]

:rofl:

[Tsa`ah]

I'm not sure what I find funnier, the dogs running in circles chasing each other's tail .... or when they stop in unison to sniff my ass upon entering the room.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not sure what I find funnier, the dogs running in circles chasing each other's tail .... or when they stop in unison to sniff my ass upon entering the room.


Translation: "OMG, U R GAY!"

Welcome to 3rd grade, Tsa'ah style.

[Clove]

I'm not sure what I find funnier, the dogs running in circles chasing each other's tail .... or when they stop in unison to sniff my ass upon entering the room.

I have that same problem between your pompousness, and your ignorance.

[Gan]

Translation: "OMG, U R GAY!"

Welcome to 3rd grade, Tsa'ah style.

He does have this fixation about guys and his ass doesnt he?

:lol:

[Parkbandit]

Guys.. space out our replies like I instructed you to do in our daily newsletter. There needs to be 2 retarded lib posts between ours!

Sheesh.

[TheEschaton]

OMG lrn2CONSPIRACY!!

[Tsa`ah]

Lol .... stop ... I can't catch my breath from all of the laughing I'm doing.

Who knew love sick puppies could be so hysterical.

[Clove]

Damn.

[Parkbandit]

I guess Tsa'ah is used to people making fun of him.. and mistaking it for love or adoration.

[Parkbandit]

Lol .... stop ... I can't catch my breath from all of the laughing I'm doing.

Who knew love sick puppies could be so hysterical.


Wow do you ever stretch ... and as usual add nothing.


Well done.

[CrystalTears]

Lol .... stop ... I can't catch my breath from all of the laughing I'm doing.

Who knew love sick puppies could be so hysterical.
You're the one who keeps bumping this shit every morning because you can't just let the remarks go without you getting butthurt and reciprocating.

[Parkbandit]

You're the one who keeps bumping this shit every morning because you can't just let the remarks go without you getting butthurt and reciprocating.

:rofl:

"Butthurt"

Nice.

[Warriorbird]

This was a thread once. I'm sure Tsa'ah has made it part of his morning ritual.

[Tsa`ah]

You're the one who keeps bumping this shit every morning because you can't just let the remarks go without you getting butthurt and reciprocating.

Yet how many rush in to reply? How many keep bumping because they "can't just let the remarks go without you getting butthurt and reciprocating"?

It seems you have a double standard toots.

Wait ... where's that "tried and true" PB response to a remark like that? You know ... the one that would actually fit your response?

Thanks for the chuckle.

[CrystalTears]

I rest my case.

[Clove]

This was a thread once. I'm sure Tsa'ah has made it part of his morning ritual.

You called it dude.

[Gan]

:chuckle:

[sst]

Yet how many rush in to reply? How many keep bumping because they "can't just let the remarks go without you getting butthurt and reciprocating"?

It seems you have a double standard toots.

Wait ... where's that "tried and true" PB response to a remark like that? You know ... the one that would actually fit your response?

Thanks for the chuckle.

Um, perhaps people do it because its obvious that it gets under your skin. Then again, with as smart as you think you are I'm sure you already figured that out and are working on some deep underlying plan of yours which accounts for your stupidity in this thread.

[Warriorbird]

You just had to...

[Gan]

:lol:

Wait for it...


wait...


for...


it.

[sst]

aww damn he didn't take the bait. I guess I don't bring out his bug guns like you do Gan and PB =(

[Keller]

aww damn he didn't take the bait. I guess I don't bring out his bug guns like you do Gan and PB =(

You're just an R-team intern.

[Gan]

:lol: