The best from Hillary Clinton

[Davenshire]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses/#comments

WHITE MARSH, Maryland (CNN) — Hillary Clinton on Monday explained away Barack Obama's clean sweep of the weekend's caucuses and primaries as a product of a caucus system that favors "activists" and, in the case of the Louisiana primary, an energized African-American community.

She told reporters who had gathered to watch her tour a General Motors plant here that "everybody knew, you all knew, what the likely outcome of these recent contests were."

"These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand."

Clinton has publicly dismissed the caucus voting system since before Super Tuesday, seeking to lower expectations heading into a series of contests that played to Obama's advantage. His campaign features what many consider to be a stronger and more dedicated grassroots organization than Clinton's.

Noting that "my husband never did well in caucus states either," Clinton argued that caucuses are "primarily dominated by activists" and that "they don't represent the electorate, we know that."

The New York senator went out of her way to say she was "absolutely" looking forward to the Ohio and Texas primaries in March, where she believes voters are more receptive to her bread-and-butter message.

She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November.

"It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma."

[Clove]

Nothing says "respect" better than "they don't represent the electorate..."

[Tsa`ah]

... or downplaying the "red" states.

[Gan]

"She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November."


Like she expects to carry Texas???

:lol: :lol2: :rofl: :lolwave:

[Clove]

Party at Ilvane's.

[Gan]

WORD

[BigWorm]

She does have a point though. Carrying Idaho or Alaska, with their piddling amount of electoral college votes, wouldn't make that much of a difference, but it is important to the Dems to stay competitive in states like Missouri. Only problem is, Obama matches up much better in the general election in all of the states she mentions. For example, if it's McCain vs. Obama, Obama might not be able to win any of the states in the deep south, but may be able to be competive enough to force McCain to campaign in those states which are typically red states.

[Tsa`ah]

Actually .... her comments do nothing more than further the "red state blue state" mentality.This is exactly why she should not be a presidential candidate, let alone the president.

Her campaign is "us" against "them" ... it's the same old same old. She wants to perpetuate business as usual. It's financially beneficial for her to do so since she can't reach beyond party lines.

Honestly, I think a majority of citizens are sick of the bickering and finger pointing between either party ... and that's precisely why Obama kicked her sagging frigid ass.

[Gan]

Its also precicely why Mitt stepped down so early. IMO.

[Parkbandit]

Its also precicely why Mitt stepped down so early. IMO.


He stepped down because it was next to impossible for him to win the nomination... nothing more. With Huckabee in the race and no sign of him quitting.. they were splitting the conservative vote.

Romney is above everything.. a smart businessman. No sense in pouring his own money into a losing cause.

[TheEschaton]

Uh, it's "us" vs. "them" because we think we're right and they're wrong.

If any conservative on this board thinks otherwise, and that we should be striving for bipartisanship on issues where we think the other side is blatantly wrong, they're lying to besmirch Hillary.

I have no interest in bipartisanship with GOP, they've shown to be incompotent at everything in the 6 years they ran this country.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

Uh, it's "us" vs. "them" because we think we're right and they're wrong.

If any conservative on this board thinks otherwise, and that we should be striving for bipartisanship on issues where we think the other side is blatantly wrong, they're lying to besmirch Hillary.

I have no interest in bipartisanship with GOP, they've shown to be incompotent at everything in the 6 years they ran this country.

-TheE-

I completely agree... well.. replace Clinton and Carter for incompetent. Also, see 2006+ Congress for true definition of incompetence.

[Bobmuhthol]

You'd have to be the biggest idiot in the world to call Bill Clinton incompetent.

[TheEschaton]

See? Exactly.

I disagree with Obama mainly because I want nothing to do with the GOP, a party I consider verging on the moral abyss.

-TheE-

[Gan]

See? Exactly.

I disagree with Obama mainly because I want nothing to do with the GOP, a party I consider verging on the moral abyss.

-TheE-

Funny, the religious right of the GOP thinks the same of the Democrat party.

[Parkbandit]

Funny, the religious right of the GOP thinks the same of the Democrat party.


I'm far from the religious right.. but I think the vocal part of the Democratic Party is a bunch of communist/socialist who are out to essentially redistribute the wealth of this nation through legislation.

[Gan]

I'm far from the religious right.. but I think the vocal part of the Democratic Party is a bunch of communist/socialist who are out to essentially redistribute the wealth of this nation through legislation.

/Agreed. I consider the current Democrat selection socialist with a strong populist flare. I dont consider them the dregs of morality (at least not Obama anyways).

However, if you were to ask a strong conservative in the Bible Belt (or Huckabee - "who didnt major in math but in miracles") what they felt about a Democrat - they would bring up all sorts of moral perversions (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) that would lend you to believe that it was Satan himself who was leading the charge for the DNC.

Thats why I find it humorous that TheE calls the GOP verging on the moral abyss.

Pot meet kettle?

[Parkbandit]

I disagree with the Religious right... so I don't see it as pot meet kettle. TheE was simply saying it's his opinion.

I think TheE is a complete and utter wacko.. but he's entitled to his opinion .. no matter how weird it is.

[oldanforgotten]

See? Exactly.

I disagree with Obama mainly because I want nothing to do with the GOP, a party I consider verging on the moral abyss.

-TheE-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120277819085260827.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries

You're right. Extreme morals from the Clintons there. More reason I'd vote for anybody but Hillary.
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[Tsa`ah]

Uh, it's "us" vs. "them" because we think we're right and they're wrong.

If any conservative on this board thinks otherwise, and that we should be striving for bipartisanship on issues where we think the other side is blatantly wrong, they're lying to besmirch Hillary.

I have no interest in bipartisanship with GOP, they've shown to be incompotent at everything in the 6 years they ran this country.

-TheE-

I think you're missing the point.

Clinton is dismissing the "red" states because of the trend in voting over the past few elections.

Is that a person we want as president? A person who represents the established point of view? A person who will only lend his or her precious time to those who will in turn lend their vote?

This is exactly what is wrong with partisanship politics. This is exactly what is wrong with Clinton. To unite a nation, you have to include all of the nation. Clinton is incapable and unwilling to doing this and should she actually gain the nomination and win the presidency ... it will be 4-8 years of an anti-Bush administration. What's done is done ... we can't live in the past, just learn from it.

[Clove]

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[Bobmuhthol]

I think a major point to consider regarding Hillary's potential nomination and presidency is that she's a fucking idiot and a crybaby, so it's not going to happen.

[Parkbandit]

I think a major point to consider regarding Hillary's potential nomination and presidency is that she's a fucking idiot and a crybaby, so it's not going to happen.

I thought you thought Bush was a fucking idiot.. and he did 2 terms. I'm pretty sure I've seen him tear up occasionally as well... just not to get votes.

[Tsa`ah]

Bush was/is a fucking idiot ... which is why I'm not 100% confident that Clinton won't obtain the nomination.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I thought you thought Bush was a fucking idiot..>>

I don't really say a lot about Bush. Certainly less than the average person.

[TheEschaton]

I'm not convinced you can unite the country, Tsa'ah. As for whether we should try - eh, I would prefer to unite them by them seeing what I think to be the rightness of my view.

I don't like this namby-pamby view that "we can disagree but still be united!" I'm sorry, unity around issues such as torture requires one side to change their mind and accept the "rightness" of the other side. I think that happens to be my side, other people happen to think it's the other side. Why would I want to compromise what I believe in order to pass a bill which I think is wrong?

-TheE-

[Gan]

I'm not convinced you can unite the country, Tsa'ah. As for whether we should try - eh, I would prefer to unite them by them seeing what I think to be the rightness of my view.

I don't like this namby-pamby view that "we can disagree but still be united!" I'm sorry, unity around issues such as torture requires one side to change their mind and accept the "rightness" of the other side. I think that happens to be my side, other people happen to think it's the other side. Why would I want to compromise what I believe in order to pass a bill which I think is wrong?

-TheE-

Your fantasy isnt a democracy (where compromise happens) it sounds more like a dictatorship.

Hint: Its not all about you. ;)

Good :chuckle: though.
:lol:

[Clove]

E knows best.

[Parkbandit]

<<I thought you thought Bush was a fucking idiot..>>

I don't really say a lot about Bush. Certainly less than the average person.

Uh huh.


Bill Clinton - greatest President of our time

Reagan - Retarded
Bush Sr. - Retarded
Bush Jr. - Retarded

Democrats win.