Romney to quit

[Parkbandit]

Smart move imo. McCain has the nomination sewn up... why spend more of your own money to continue in a losing battle?

Oh well.. now I'm pulling for Obama. What this country needs is another wakeup call. Democratic congress + Democrat in Whitehouse = Economic doom. Put more of your portfolio into safe things (bonds, gold, etc..) and just weather the approaching storm.

Stagflation anyone?

[TheEschaton]

Wow, things are getting fucktarded now.

[Parkbandit]

Wow, things are getting fucktarded now.

Not yet.. but they will be.

Grats on Jimmy Carter 2.0

[crazymage]

now I'm pulling for Obama.

Before he edits!

[TheEschaton]

What concerns me (as a Democrat) is that the nomination is now locked up for the GOP, and McCain can sit back and watch Hillary and Obama tear each other up while he gets ready for the general.

-TheE-

[Daniel]

Yea. The economy is doing just lovely right now.

[Parkbandit]

Yea. The economy is doing just lovely right now.

This will look like the 'good ol' days' by the time they are done. Read up on the Jimmy Carter years. Hell, read up on the Great Depression.

[Daniel]

FDR was a...?

[Parkbandit]

FDR was a...?


Democrat. What's your point?

[Arkans]

I'd love a McCain - Huckabee ticket..

Too bad it'll be Leiberman :-(

- Arkans

[Daniel]

That reading up on the great depression would led me to see that a democrat (with social programs nonetheless) led the country out of the worst economic collapse the world has ever seen, which would run counter to your statement that a democratic controlled country would ruin the economy.

More or less.

[Parkbandit]

That reading up on the great depression would led me to see that a democrat (with social programs nonetheless) led the country out of the worst economic collapse the world has ever seen, which would run counter to your statement that a democratic controlled country would ruin the economy.

More or less.


Actually.. there are many that believe that FDR extended the Great Depression BY enacting the social programs he did.

[Daniel]

Nice.

[Gan]

I'm holding out on the economy tanking until I see the winner of the general election. I"m seeing some bad news on the employment front, but I"m seeing good news on the housing recovery front as the major lenders are taking steps to solidify their position without losing the rest of their shirts.

As for the general: If Obama wins the DNC nomination then he'll beat McCain IMO.

McCain's best shot is if Hillary gets the nod.

The recession we had post-dot.com correction (which also had a housing correction consequently) only lasted what, 2 months?

I'm predicting if/when we see an actual recession (2 consequtive months negative GDP) it wont last longer than 5 months.

[CrystalTears]

As for the general: If Obama wins the DNC nomination then he'll beat McCain IMO.

McCain's best shot is if Hillary gets the nod.
I'd rather have a McCain/Obama ticket and see Obama win, than to have a McCain/Clinton ticket and see that cunt have a chance at the presidency. I don't even want her to have that.

[Gan]

I'd love a McCain - Huckabee ticket..

Too bad it'll be Leiberman :-(

- Arkans

Huckabee scares me. I'd rather see a Leiberman combo, I think it would have greater voter base appeal from right to middle to middle-left.

[Arkans]

I'm completely kidding, by the way.

Huckabee is a religious lunatic that would have us all carry around a bible.

Lieberman, well, we might as well blow up the entire Middle East and rename it "Greater Israel"

McCain loves the draft, from what I hear. Hell no!

I'm for Obama, personally.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

Didn't Leiberman already declare that he will not be the VP?

[Gan]

Didn't Leiberman already declare that he will not be the VP?

I havnt heard that one yet.

If thats the case, then McCain better make the selection with caution and strategy in mind. He's going to have a fight on his hands either way come November.

[Savageheart]

http://www.forbes.com/business/2004/07/20/cx_da_0720presidentstable.html?thisSpeed=20000',77 5,620

Carter Godwin? Really? Does that actually work on anyone who isn't a fundie mouth breather? (Note I am not calling all fundies mouth breathers, I am calling mouth breather fundies mouth breathers, stupidity knows no rank, gender or political affiliation)

Democrats appear to have a much better economic record than Republicans in the last 50 years... At least according to this one article by Forbes that I quickie googled.

Please note I'm not really passionate about the whole topic but I find this theme of discourse more than slightly alarmist and annoyingly silly. I'm just tired of hearing/reading things that are so poorly substantiated.

Where I won't argue the top 2% of the country probably didn't do any better with democrats, the rest appear to have.

Also... regarding the Great Depression

Fill in the Blanks Fun Time!

Herbert Hoover was a...
Calvin Coolige was a...
FDR was a...

kthnx

[radamanthys]

You can't say that the politics around the time of the Second World War are anywhere near the politics of today.

Hey! Lincoln was a Republican!

FDR, while at the time may have been doing what he thought was best, started this whole entitlement system that is drowning us today.

Good semi-modern presidents? Ike and Teddy Roosevelt.

[Arkans]

They arn't exactly the same, but a lot can be learned by looking at history.

- Arkans

[Savageheart]

Actually.. there are many that believe that FDR extended the Great Depression BY enacting the social programs he did.

Again... I have heard an argument about this or two the most popular I found which seemed to be rehashed verbatim seemed to come from the Mises Institute a Southern Libertarian Think Tank a fashionable fondness for the Southern Confederacy.

Interesting read, but it makes a lot of assumptions which just just want to nod your head to for no good reason.

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=258

[Stanley Burrell]

Again... I have heard an argument about this or two the most popular I found which seemed to be rehashed verbatim seemed to come from the Mises Institute a Southern Libertarian Think Tank a fashionable fondness for the Southern Confederacy.

Interesting read, but it makes a lot of assumptions which just just want to nod your head to for no good reason.

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=258

Check this out:

21st century U.S.A. != Feudal Ethiopia.

High five.

(We need to harp on the past to prove our points in the present, tho'.)

[Savageheart]

You can't say that the politics around the time of the Second World War are anywhere near the politics of today.

Hey! Lincoln was a Republican!

FDR, while at the time may have been doing what he thought was best, started this whole entitlement system that is drowning us today.

Good semi-modern presidents? Ike and Teddy Roosevelt.

Economically Ike was less than great, the numbers they tell a tale

Unemployment rose 4.3% Harry Truman and George Bush are the only two presidents who have a worse GDP growth quotient... His inflation rate wasn't stellar either. I believe he ranks 7th from then to now. Nixon and Bush once again were worse.

That being said, he did lower the deficit. Something the rest of his peers on the bottom ranks didn't do. I give props there.

[875000]

Again... I have heard an argument about this or two the most popular I found which seemed to be rehashed verbatim seemed to come from the Mises Institute a Southern Libertarian Think Tank a fashionable fondness for the Southern Confederacy.

Interesting read, but it makes a lot of assumptions which just just want to nod your head to for no good reason.

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=258

Actually, we had this argument several months ago. In the thread, I cited research from Yale and Berkley that indicated that the New Deal likely did not fuel economic growth and may have actually exacerbated conditions during the Depression.

The thread can be found:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=646569#post646569

[Khariz]

Yeah, I can't find you a quote, but Lieberman says he's not willing to do it.

Or he did a few months ago. We all know how quickly politicians change their minds.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, I can't find you a quote, but Lieberman says he's not willing to do it.

Or he did a few months ago. We all know how quickly politicians change their minds.

True.. not sure there have been many VPs that didn't say they were not considering that position.

[CrystalTears]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/joe-lieberman-vice-president

Lieberman Rules Out Running With McCain (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/29/lieberman-rules-out-runni_n_83934.html)

AP | ANDREW MIGA | January 29, 2008 at 06:44 PM

WASHINGTON — Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who nearly won the vice presidency as a Democrat in 2000, says there's no way he'll be Republican Sen. John McCain's running mate should McCain become the party's presidential nominee.

"No, I'd tell him, 'Thanks, John, I've been there, I've done that. You can find much better,'" Lieberman told The Associated Press during an interview Tuesday in his Senate office. "I'm not seeking anything else."

[radamanthys]

woot.

[Gan]

Well, even with Lieberman out, still doesnt make Huckabee's delegates any good for a power play.

Who to choose?

Who to choose?

I'd LOL if he offered it to Jeb Bush. Although I dont think that would be a wise idea strategically.

[CrystalTears]

That would be a bit... um.. what's the word? Oh yes. Suicidal.

[radamanthys]

Hey... GW won a second term with similar feelings against him... don't discount that.

[Warriorbird]

Uhh, Parkbandit... the Republicans were in power for a number of years pre Great Depression.

[Ilvane]

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r290/daveberns/toiletees/mitt_hit_fan.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Uhh, Parkbandit... the Republicans were in power for a number of years pre Great Depression.


Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say they weren't?

Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say we currently have a Democratic President?

Thank you Captain Obvious. What's next?

[Parkbandit]

{insert stupidity here}]

I cannot wait for it to be Obama vs. McCain. That is one party I might have to come to.

What will the party be called anyway? Stupid time at Stupid's place?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say they weren't?

Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say we currently have a Democratic President?

Thank you Captain Obvious. What's next?>>

No, but you did insinuate that it's the Democratic party's fault that the Great Depression happened, but it was very obviously caused under Republican presidents and very obviously solved under a Democratic president. That's inarguable, no matter how much speculative analysis you want to perform to determine whose fault it really was.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

<<Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say they weren't?

Uhh, Warriorbird.. did I say we currently have a Democratic President?

Thank you Captain Obvious. What's next?>>

No, but you did insinuate that it's the Democratic party's fault that the Great Depression happened, but it was very obviously caused under Republican presidents and very obviously solved under a Democratic president. That's inarguable, no matter how much speculative analysis you want to perform to determine whose fault it really was.

Nothing is inarguable. I argue that your assertion is arguable.

[Daniel]

Yea, but you're also a huge vagina. So who cares what you think.

[Tsa`ah]

This will look like the 'good ol' days' by the time they are done. Read up on the Jimmy Carter years. Hell, read up on the Great Depression.

Carter was in office a total of four years. The economy had already tanked under Nixon/Ford and Ford.

Your assertion that a democrat in office with a democratic majority held in congress is a bad thing for the economy is tragically flawed. From 1955 - 1981, the Congressional branch was dominated by a democratic majority.

From 1901-1955, the republicans held the majority 15 times in 26.

We can talk smack about the great depression if you want. As Carter wasn't responsible for the economy on the day he took office, neither was Hoover.

Calvin Coolidge (a republican) with the 67th, 68th, 69th and 70th congress (all republican) were there to usher in the depression. Hoover (also a republican) had a republican congress for the duration of his term.

The 73rd congress (1933) to 77th (1943) were all democratic majorities, with a democratic president.

Now who was president and what party resided the term before and at the start of the great depression ... If you picked democrat, you're wrong.
What president and party resided to see it ended? (If you pick republican ... you're also wrong).

The notion that any party controlling two branches of the government at the same time being detrimental is pretty anecdotal ... but we can play the game if you want.

[Bobmuhthol]

Carter was one of the worst presidents in history, regardless of what the Republicans did before and after him. lol @ misery index

[Lucas]

Democratic congress + Democrat in Whitehouse = Economic doom. Put more of your portfolio into safe things (bonds, gold, etc..) and just weather the approaching storm.

Stagflation anyone?

Statistically if you add up all the democratic administrations versus Republican administration, democrats have have gained greater growth rates when in office not republicans. This isn't just an opinion, it's just statistical fact. Source? Open any economics book or just look it up on the internet.

[Tsa`ah]

Carter was one of the worst presidents in history, regardless of what the Republicans did before and after him. lol @ misery index

That of course is an opinion. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a historian in any US field to agree with you.


Statistically if you add up all the democratic administrations versus Republican administration, democrats have have gained greater growth rates when in office not republicans. This isn't just an opinion, it's just statistical fact. Source? Open any economics book or just look it up on the internet.

That would require him to actually use the internet in a manner opposite of what he's accustom to.

[Khariz]

That of course is an opinion. I think you'll be hard pressed to find a historian in any US field to agree with you though.



That would require him to actually use the internet in a manner opposite of what he's accustom to.

LOL. On the contrary I think its a nearly 100% consensus that Carter was nearly the worst president ever.

[Tsa`ah]

LOL. On the contrary I think its a nearly 100% consensus that Carter was nearly the worst president ever.

Really? By whom? You? This forum?

If you can point to this 100% consensus, I'll be more than happy to read through their work.

[Khariz]

Really? By whom? You? This forum?

If you can point to this 100% consensus, I'll be more than happy to read through their work.

It's such a fact, it doesn't require citation. Kinda like the sky being blue.

[Tsa`ah]

lol ... ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yea, but you're also a huge vagina. So who cares what you think.

But but... It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child.

[Gan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

[Warriorbird]

Carter WAS a terrible President. Democrats have still had better growth rates.

[Daniel]

But but... It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child.

At least my black ass can make it through the day without breaking into tears ;)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

At least my black ass can make it through the day without breaking into tears ;)

It was a quote from The Jerk but you missed it. I'll never apologize for missing a loved pet, but then I've got nothing to prove.

[Dwarven Empath]

I don't have a clue who I am going to vote for now.

Not a clue! This could be the first time in 20 years I may not vote.

Damn.

Arnold for presinator!!!!

[Daniel]

It was a quote from The Jerk but you missed it. I'll never apologize for missing a loved pet, but then I've got nothing to prove.

I don't watch old peoplpe movies. I apologize.

[Parkbandit]

I don't have a clue who I am going to vote for now.

Not a clue! This could be the first time in 20 years I may not vote.

Damn.

Arnold for presinator!!!!


I'm there with you. So far, it looks like we have 3 Democrats to choose from.

[Keller]

I don't watch old peoplpe movies. I apologize.

The Jerk is fantastic. You should see it.

[Gan]

The Jerk is fantastic. You should see it.

"The phone books are here! The phone books are here!"

"They're after the oil cans!"


Classic.

[Some Rogue]

"The phone books are here! The phone books are here!"

"They're after the oil cans!"


Classic.


I was born a poor black child....

[Daniel]

I'll check it out. later. Right now I'm gonna go get drunk and holla @ some white hoes.