Bill would make it illegal to feed the obese

[Kefka]

Three legislators want to make it illegal for restaurants to serve obese customers in Mississippi.

House Bill No. 282, which was introduced this month, says: Any food establishment to which this section applies shall not be allowed to serve food to any person who is obese, based on criteria prescribed by the State Department of Health after consultation with the Mississippi Council on Obesity Prevention and Management established under Section 41-101-1 or its successor. The State Department of Health shall prepare written materials that describe and explain the criteria for determining whether a person is obese, and shall provide those materials to all food establishments to which this section applies. A food establishment shall be entitled to rely on the criteria for obesity in those written materials when determining whether or not it is allowed to serve food to any person.

The proposal would allow health inspectors to yank the permit from any restaurant that "repeatedly" feeds extremely overweight customers.


http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/02/bill-would-make.html

[Stanley Burrell]

This thread has serious potential.

Party people, go!

[Ilvane]

Are you kidding me?

I'd love to see that case go to the courts..LOL.

I am a former really fat person but still, and I think losing weight is good for you..however..making it illegal to feed fat people? Isn't that a restaurants bread and butter? (heh)

Angela

[CrystalTears]

LOL! Is this a joke?

[Gan]

But isnt this in the best interests of all obese people? And all taxpayers who support their obesity through increased medical bills and other regulation requirements that businesses and healthcare entities have to endure because obesity is considered a 'disease'?

For the good of the country, for the good of the individual.

Comrade.

[Bobmuhthol]

Basing my judgement from previous rulings at various court levels, I think the bill is a good idea. The justification comes from the fucking douche bags that successfully sued restaurants for making them fat; now those cases won't be a problem and the clientele will be that much more tolerable.

[Blud]

:whipit:

Welcome to the "New" United States of America. In case you haven't noticed, we are quickly moving towards a socialist government, albiet a democratic-socialist form of it. No longer are we allowed to kill ourselves through smoking, not wearing seatbelts, eating too much, etc, because we would cost the "American Tax Payer too much money."

"Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well." --George Bernard Shaw, Fabian Society

The Fabian Society uses "democracy" to bring about socialism on a global scale. While it is in fact different from the traditional form of socialism we hear about in the news (China, Former Soviet Union, etc), and they hate this form of socialism, they do share a common goal: Government telling its citizens how to live and assuming responsibility for them since they presumably can't fare for themselves without it.

I would strongly recommend anyone to read "The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve System" by G. Edward Griffin.

Let the hate-mail begin... :)

[radamanthys]

Hence why I'm a libertarian.

So much for the land of the free.

Fuckers. All of them. Power hungry bleeding cuntrags. Could use a real strong dynamite suppository.

[Gan]

:whipit:

Welcome to the "New" United States of America. In case you haven't noticed, we are quickly moving towards a socialist government, albiet a democratic-socialist form of it. No longer are we allowed to kill ourselves through smoking, not wearing seatbelts, eating too much, etc, because we would cost the "American Tax Payer too much money."

"Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well." --George Bernard Shaw, Fabian Society

The Fabian Society uses "democracy" to bring about socialism on a global scale. While it is in fact different from the traditional form of socialism we hear about in the news (China, Former Soviet Union, etc), and they hate this form of socialism, they do share a common goal: Government telling its citizens how to live and assuming responsibility for them since they presumably can't fare for themselves without it.

I would strongly recommend anyone to read "The Creature From Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve System" by G. Edward Griffin.

Let the hate-mail begin... :)

Funny you should mention Fabian Socialism. Greenspan also highlights that in his book. FS was very popular in UK capitalism in the 1800's and early 1900's. Lots of folks here wanted to adopt it because it carried the benefits of capitalism without the [social] risk of competition. Too bad its a failed experiment, much like most forms of socialism are.

[Clove]

Basing my judgement from previous rulings at various court levels, I think the bill is a good idea. The justification comes from the fucking douche bags that successfully sued restaurants for making them fat; now those cases won't be a problem and the clientele will be that much more tolerable.

Until the diabetic in the middle of an insulin crash tries to buy a donut, is refused and ends up in the ER.

Edit: Oh and can we get a source on the "successfully sued restaurants for making them fat"?

[Stanley Burrell]

Fuck, shit, fuck.

Maturity and rational discussion, damn you. Not even Methais postes his infamous,

http://www.superawesomewow.com/pics/fat%20toe.jpg

Yet.

[Alfster]

Are you kidding me?

I'd love to see that case go to the courts..LOL.

I am a really fat person but still, and I think losing weight is good for you..however..making it illegal to feed fat people? Isn't that a restaurants bread and butter? (heh)

Angela

Not a surprise that your fatass is the first to comment on this!

:pig: :pig: :pig: :pig:

[Ilvane]

My fatass isn't fat anymore, shithead.

However, I can see you are still an asshole.:D

Guess personality is harder to fix, huh?

Angela

[Lucas]

I kinda actually like the idea of a Fabian society. I think it's extremely conservative/right wing idea but it may work in improving society. If they provide you skills and work in which you are most inclined toward and you still refuse/completely incompetent to do said work or any work then you get executed. This will only be for those persons that are on welfare and are dire straits while normal income earners are off this. I think it'll work. Lets do it.


Sounds very Nazish though... hrm.

[Lucas]

My fatass isn't fat anymore, shithead.

However, I can see you are still an asshole.:D

Guess personality is harder to fix, huh?

Angela

Picture! We wants a picture!

[Gan]

I kinda actually like the idea of a Fabian society. I think it's extremely conservative/right wing idea but it may work in improving society. If they provide you skills and work in which you are most inclined toward and you still refuse/completely incompetent to do said work or any work then you get executed. This will only be for those persons that are on welfare and are dire straits while normal income earners are off this. I think it'll work. Lets do it.


Sounds very Nazish though... hrm.

India is a perfect example of why a Fabian society will not work.

[Alfster]

My fatass isn't fat anymore, shithead.

However, I can see you are still an asshole.:D

Guess personality is harder to fix, huh?

Angela

Must be. Hahaha.


Picture! We wants a picture!

Meh, no we don't.

[Whimsi]

I don't think this kind of bill could be workable at all. Unless the restaurants are going to have scales by the front door. I am not sure what the latest obesity statistics are but isn't it something like 30 percent of americans are considered obese? I'm too lazy to google it.

Wonder how the drive thrus of fast food joints would be policed.

[Lucas]

India is a perfect example of why a Fabian society will not work.

Isn't India growing superfast currently? I always hear India and China are going to be superpowers of the world.

[Gan]

I don't think this kind of bill could be workable at all. Unless the restaurants are going to have scales by the front door. I am not sure what the latest obesity statistics are but isn't it something like 30 percent of americans are considered obese? I'm too lazy to google it.

Wonder how the drive thrus of fast food joints would be policed.

hahaha

A BMI tester at the doorway. Fail and a red light flashes, a loud gong sounds, and you fall through the trapdoor to be ejected out back of the resturant.

[Gan]

Isn't India growing superfast currently? I always hear India and China are going to be superpowers of the world.

Industrially yes, socially/economically no. Same with China.

Fabian socialism is the combination of capitalism and socialism where there are still large central controls on the industry - its not a free market. Therefore the workers/working class are not pulled out of poverty since they are held captive to production level and wage caps while all the profits go to the industry owners or in this case the state.

If you ask me, its this type of capitalism that Marx had the beef with, and justifiably so.

[Latrinsorm]

Isn't your BMI in the "overweight" range though, Gan? I remember you being one of those Anticor-type guys for some reason.

[TheEschaton]

That's not "socialism", as socialism works to protect the workers, not the industrialists. Just because it's government control doesn't make it socialism, what you're talking about is fascism, which is in fact a far right ideology which also believes in massive control.

[Gan]

Isn't your BMI in the "overweight" range though, Gan? I remember you being one of those Anticor-type guys for some reason.

Most definatley. I'd get ejected based on BMI. :(

Taco Bell with tinted windows FTMFW.

[Lysander]

Industrially yes, socially/economically no. Same with China.



Whats the difference? Industrially economically socially they are getting richer and people are losing jobs here. The system is screwed up.


And back on topic. This is the dumbest bill I ever heard. Wheres the line? If you're fat you can't buy certain amount of groceries? Right. Instead you should have forced diet and exercise programs. If you stay on this program the government will not penalize you for being fat, if you stay off then you'll get pwned by the insurance and health problems.

Plus, there are people who are genetically dispositioned to get fat. What about them?

[Hulkein]

Even disregarding the BMI being inaccurate argument, I don't think any court would allow a law which required people to be weighed in front of strangers just to get food.

Not to mention that someone can be obese but still not have eaten in like 12 hours and needs food ASAP. Not every obese person walking into a restaurant has stuffed their face 1 hour before showing up for more.

[Gan]

Whats the difference? Industrially economically socially they are getting richer and people are losing jobs here. The system is screwed up.

Huge difference!

Per-capita income is not increasing. Your social infrastructure is not increasing. Overall wealth and affluence of the poverty ridden majority is NOT getting better parallel to the benefits gained by the increased industrial productivity. What you have as seen in India and in China is an increasing gap between the upper class and lower class because other aspects of society are still being kept at social caps. There is no invisible hand in other words. Its the perfect example of the bourgoise elite representation that Marx described in his memoirs.

[Katt]

Even disregarding the BMI being inaccurate argument, I don't think any court would allow a law which required people to be weighed in front of strangers just to get food.

Not to mention that someone can be obese but still not have eaten in like 12 hours and needs food ASAP. Not every obese person walking into a restaurant has stuffed their face 1 hour before showing up for more.


Not only that but it should be the individuals responsiblity to pass up the big mac and go for the salad. If the government really wants to stick their nose in I would rather them go around and make sure every resturaunt has atleast three items to chose from that are healthy for you. Not only ensure that we have more healthy choices but also make sure these healthy choices aren't pricey as hell. I think that is one issue....pay 3 dollars for a salad or 99 cents for a hamburger.

I would support them making choices available to us but not making the choice for us.

I am not even obese and I'd freak out if I had to get on a scale in front of a bunch of strangers. You shouldn't be forced to be embarressed just for food.

[Bartlett]

As far as I know, isn't using trans fat in restaurants already scheduled to be illegal? Nothing really wrong with that in my opinion. That should be enough to begin combatting the obesity rate in this country. It is also noteworthy that the guy who can pack in a big mac w/ large fries and a 64 oz. soda everyday and not gain any weight is very close to being just as unhealthy as the guy who is 35lbs overweight from eating that junk.

[Atlanteax]

At least restaurants can now stop taking a bath on those buffet bars when people as in Methais pictures are no longer able to use them ... and the same restaurants are protected from civil suit for denying them access.

Seems that this sort of law may be necessary, as it has been pointed out that people are suing restaurants for making them fat, without any thought of personal self-responsibility.

[Clove]

At least restaurants can now stop taking a bath on those buffet bars when people as in Methais pictures are no longer able to use them ... and the same restaurants are protected from civil suit for denying them access.

Seems that this sort of law may be necessary, as it has been pointed out that people are suing restaurants for making them fat, without any thought of personal self-responsibility.

People sue people for all sorts of bullshit reasons. Doesn't mean they win; they haven't been winning.

If you can't make a dollar on an all-you-can-eat buffet; sell something else. It's not society's responsibility to make sure you make a profit.

[Blud]

If you believe Fabian Socialism is a good thing, then they have more than half of the battle won already. There is a reason why their mascot is a turtle. Slow-paced changed, but in the end, it will only come to one thing...

Big business and big government winning off the backs of underpaid and overworked tax payers.

Communism is the result of trying to accomplish socialist goals too quickly (which is why the Fabian Society doesn't like communism). The thing that the Fabians have in common with communism, however, is their desire for socialism.

Gan, I'm not surprised to hear about Greenspan and Fabian Socialism, as he was the chairman of the Fed, which according to The Creature from Jekyll Island was formed in large part by the Fabian Society.

If you have not read the book, get it today and start reading. It explains why third-world government funding is EXPECTED to fail. Only when that government fails can it be totally dependent on the Fed.

Incidentally, the only country in the entire WORLD that can legally counterfiet its own money is the United States of America. What this means is when our trade deficit gets too high, we just create more money out of nothing to cover the short falls. The trade deficit can be observed in your own house if you want to take the time to understand it. Trade deficit means the US is spending more money than it makes. We import more than we export. No household can survive under these conditions any more than any government can...But the US, can create more money to cover its losses. This is equivalent to me counterfieting money to make up for my shortfalls. Since the US is the only country that can do it legally, the other nations of the world have to just deal with their trade deficits by borrowing more money from the world bank. This puts them deeper in debt, thus third-world nations eventually fall to shit, even after a "boom" when they first get a loan. The just can't make enough money to even cover the interest on the loan, let alone pay on the principle.

[The Ponzzz]

Yo, fat people gotta eat too. WTF. MY MONEY NOT GOOD FOR YOU!

[Daniel]

Blud:

Patently false. What you describe is "Monetary Policy" and every single country of the world does it, except those that use other currencies than their own, or have their currencies pegged to another.

[Clove]

Incidentally, the only country in the entire WORLD that can legally counterfiet its own money is the United States of America.

What you're describing is called fiat creation of currency in economics and it's not an unusual currency policy world-wide.

This also makes Daniel correct (for once).



Incidentally, the only country in the entire WORLD that can legally counterfiet its own money is the United States of America. What this means is when our trade deficit gets too high, we just create more money out of nothing to cover the short falls.

Ugh. And no our monetary policy generates cash off of the fractional reserve not the trade deficit.

http://economics.about.com/od/freeeconomicstextbooks/Free_Economics_Textbooks.htm

To fortify your reading.

[Blud]

Blud:

Patently false. What you describe is "Monetary Policy" and every single country of the world does it, except those that use other currencies than their own, or have their currencies pegged to another.

Not false. The world economy is currently based on the US dollar. Therefore, every country in the world has no choice but to accept the US dollar for trade; therefore, the US can AND DOES create more money when it needs to cover its trade deficit.

The world (in particular the US) is not REQUIRED to take the Yen or Euro or any other denomination of world currency for trade, so when those countries fall short, they have to borrow money from the world bank to make up for their short falls.

When the world's money was based on the "Gold Standard", no country could just create money out of nothing, as their money was tied to how much gold they owned. But the Fed did away with the gold standard in order to make the money more elastic; therefore, the US is free to just create money out of nothing and guarantee loans based on "the full faith and credit of the United States Government."

Eventually, you will be right. The goal is to have the entire world trading in one currency. The world bank will then control the flow of all of the money in the world, and no country will be able to "unfairly" create money out of nothing, but for now, the US is the only country that can and does create money out of nothing for the purposes stated.

[Bobmuhthol]

It's also inherently not counterfeit when it's printed and endorsed by the government...

[Clove]

Not false. The world economy is currently based on the US dollar.

Unless they're among the half of the world governments that base their reserve off the Euro.

Next?

[Blud]

It's also inherently not counterfeit when it's printed and endorsed by the government...

The Federal Reserve is not a division of the Federal Government. It is neither federal, nor is it a reserve.

The Fed is a centralized bank in the United States, that's all it is. The US government is as much a hostage of the Federal Reserve as any other government in the world that borrows against it. The only difference is we get to pay for the bad loans when they fall through "to protect the US economy".

[Blud]

Unless they're among the half of the world governments that base their reserve off the Euro.

Next?

Actually, I overlooked the European Union...

That is correct. This explains why our trade deficit is becoming more problematic lately. Why take the US dollar when you can take the Euro?

Thanks.

[Clove]

The Fed is a centralized bank in the United States, that's all it is. The US government is as much a hostage of the Federal Reserve as any other government in the world that borrows against it.

Yeah and what's up with that pyramid on the USD? Illuminati?

:thinking:

This is what happens when you read a book that "explains" a subject to you; rather than actually learning the subject.

[Daniel]

Someone needs to re-take intro to macro economics.

[TheEschaton]

The Fed is a different beast in re: to the World Bank and IMF.

[Blud]

Yeah and what's up with that pyramid on the USD? Illuminati?

:thinking:

This is what happens when you read a book that "explains" a subject to you; rather than actually learning the subject.

:wtf:

[Blud]

The Fed is a different beast in re: to the World Bank and IMF.

I disagree.

[TheEschaton]

Good for you. The rest of the world disagrees with you, except the author of your little book.

[Blud]

Good for you. The rest of the world disagrees with you, except the author of your little book.

OK

[Clove]

The Federal Reserve describes itself as "independent within the government". Its decisions aren't subject to Presidential veto or Congressional ratification however the President appoints its Board of Governors and Congress has oversight to the Federal reserve via statute and review. To describe it as "just a bank" is very simplistic.

[Clove]

The Fed is a different beast in re: to the World Bank and IMF.

Also correct. Daniel and The E coming out with the factualness. It's a strange day.

[Methais]

Isn't India growing superfast currently? I always hear India and China are going to be superpowers of the world.

If you're talking about karate and stinking up the room with curry farts, then yes.


Fuck, shit, fuck.

Maturity and rational discussion, damn you. Not even Methais postes his infamous,

http://www.superawesomewow.com/pics/fat%20toe.jpg

Yet.

I somehow missed this thread until just now. I apologize. And you've forced me to 1-up you on the moose knuckle pic:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d105/paul1984/really_fat_chick.jpg

On a side note, I'm pretty disappointed in this thread. I expected it to be a total train wreck no later than page 3. These forums really are dragging lately :(

[Celephais]

Not only that but it should be the individuals responsiblity to pass up the big mac and go for the salad. If the government really wants to stick their nose in I would rather them go around and make sure every resturaunt has atleast three items to chose from that are healthy for you. Not only ensure that we have more healthy choices but also make sure these healthy choices aren't pricey as hell. I think that is one issue....pay 3 dollars for a salad or 99 cents for a hamburger.

I would support them making choices available to us but not making the choice for us.

I am not even obese and I'd freak out if I had to get on a scale in front of a bunch of strangers. You shouldn't be forced to be embarressed just for food.
I'd just be happy if all menu items had to have nutritional info... it's ridiculous how I can order a chicken breast and then take a bite and realize it's some ungodly overbuttered/sauced thing I might as well have ordered a steak meal.


If you're talking about karate and stinking up the room with curry farts, then yes.
I fucking hate the way <individuals who eat curry> smell.


I somehow missed this thread until just now. I apologize. And you've forced me to 1-up you on the moose knuckle pic:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/Fatass.jpg

[Blud]

The Federal Reserve describes itself as "independent within the government". Its decisions aren't subject to Presidential veto or Congressional ratification however the President appoints its Board of Governors and Congress has oversight to the Federal reserve via statute and review. To describe it as "just a bank" is very simplistic.

Well, to be fair, you're right...To call it "just a bank" is simplistic. I will agree with that. But I do not agree that Congress has any (effectual) oversight of it. When banks fail, when big business that took loans from the "lender of last resort", and when businesses are in danger of failing that took loans from the super banks of the US, the Fed simply explains how bad it will be for the US economy if those things should happen, and the federal government pays the shortfalls and bails out these entities. This equates to tax payers (me and you) paying the bill. And why? Because the banks made risky loans. Why do they make risky loans? Because they know they can talk to the Fed and the Fed can talk to the government, and the government will bail them out.

[Methais]

I'd just be happy if all menu items had to have nutritional info... it's ridiculous how I can order a chicken breast and then take a bite and realize it's some ungodly overbuttered/sauced thing I might as well have ordered a steak meal.


I fucking hate the way <individuals who eat curry> smell.


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/Fatass.jpg

.....http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/zeonzumdeikun/Worf_notagain.gif
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2592411/2/istockphoto_2592411_fat_woman_at_the_beach.jpg

[Clove]

Well, to be fair, you're right....Thanks
But I do not agree that Congress has any (effectual) oversight of it. Congress disagrees with you.
Why do they make risky loans? To make money off the interest, IMIRITE?

[Blud]

Congress disagrees with you.

Of course they would. :)


To make money off the interest

Right, but when they can't even pay interest any longer, then the government bails them out so they can pay interest.

[Clove]

That's not quite how the fractional reserve works, but I'll let your local college teach you; they will bill you much less than I would and you can deduct student loan interest.

If you have the opportunity pick some classes at Univ. of Chicago. They have an excellent econ program.

[Gan]

If you believe Fabian Socialism is a good thing, then they have more than half of the battle won already. There is a reason why their mascot is a turtle. Slow-paced changed, but in the end, it will only come to one thing...

Big business and big government winning off the backs of underpaid and overworked tax payers.

Communism is the result of trying to accomplish socialist goals too quickly (which is why the Fabian Society doesn't like communism). The thing that the Fabians have in common with communism, however, is their desire for socialism.

Gan, I'm not surprised to hear about Greenspan and Fabian Socialism, as he was the chairman of the Fed, which according to The Creature from Jekyll Island was formed in large part by the Fabian Society.

If you have not read the book, get it today and start reading. It explains why third-world government funding is EXPECTED to fail. Only when that government fails can it be totally dependent on the Fed.
You totally misread my post.

Greenspan and the Federal Reserve is TOTALLY AGAINST Fabian Socialism.


Incidentally, the only country in the entire WORLD that can legally counterfiet its own money is the United States of America. What this means is when our trade deficit gets too high, we just create more money out of nothing to cover the short falls.
Thats called the inflationary effect and not something the Fed takes lightly. Now if it were up to Congress to manage the economy and print money - we'd see money printed all the time. THATS WHY WE HAVE THE FEDERAL RESERVE...

[Clove]

Thats called the inflationary effect and not something the Fed takes lightly. Now if it were up to Congress to manage the economy and print money - we'd see money printed all the time. THATS WHY WE HAVE THE FEDERAL RESERVE...

Yeah, inflation typically being about 3% a year, the Fed's been doing a better job than Congress would and it's why Congress doesn't legislate them out.

[Some Rogue]

I hate Illinois Nazi's....I mean Econ nerds.

[Daniel]

That's not quite how the fractional reserve works, but I'll let your local college teach you; they will bill you much less than I would and you can deduct student loan interest.

If you have the opportunity pick some classes at Univ. of Chicago. They have an excellent econ program.

Let me know, I could put you in contact with most of the people there.

[Warriorbird]

This is a strange thread. Some Rogue for the "awesome quote" award.

[Clove]

Let me know, I could put you in contact with most of the people there.

If you need references, my brother is in post-grad at U. of Chicago.

[Daniel]

At the econ department?

[Clove]

At the econ department?

He's working on his doctorate in Economics.

[Daniel]

What's his name. My mother works there.

[Clove]

David.

[Daniel]

What year did he start the program?

[Clove]

Tell you what, if he ever gets a PC login and wants to talk to you about U of C, I'll let him tell you all about himself.

[Daniel]

Why would I do that? I'm personal friends with half the faculty and their families.

[Clove]

Why would I do that? I'm personal friends with half the faculty and their families.

I don't know, maybe for the same reason I'd discuss my brother's personal information on a public board with someone I've never met?

[Warriorbird]

http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

[Daniel]

Then don't offer references ;)

[Clove]

Then don't offer references ;)

You don't appear to need them.

[Daniel]

I should be good, but what about everyone else??

[ClydeR]

A new study (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/05/healthy_tax_burden) shows that fat people who smoke cost less money in health care than skinny people who don't smoke. These legislators did not consider that.

[Celephais]

A new study (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/05/healthy_tax_burden) shows that fat people who smoke cost less money in health care than skinny people who don't smoke. These legislators did not consider that.
If we just exterminated everyone as soon as they became ill or unhealthy we'd solve this problem once and for all.

[Blud]

That's not quite how the fractional reserve works, but I'll let your local college teach you; they will bill you much less than I would and you can deduct student loan interest.

If you have the opportunity pick some classes at Univ. of Chicago. They have an excellent econ program.

I doubt I will be in the Chicago area to do this, but the advice to look at economic programs is appreciated. Working on my BS of EE right now, but plan to get a Masters in business when I'm through with that.


You totally misread my post.

Greenspan and the Federal Reserve is TOTALLY AGAINST Fabian Socialism.

Thats called the inflationary effect and not something the Fed takes lightly. Now if it were up to Congress to manage the economy and print money - we'd see money printed all the time. THATS WHY WE HAVE THE FEDERAL RESERVE...

My applogies. I made an assumption about your post. I admit that as I was reading the Jekyll Island book, there were times when I thought to myself, "I wonder if the black helicopters were circling his house as he was writing some of this shit."


Yeah, inflation typically being about 3% a year, the Fed's been doing a better job than Congress would and it's why Congress doesn't legislate them out.

I would totally agree with this statement. Congress does not want inflation to get out of control. All I was really trying to say is that it is "somewhat" easy to convince congress that a bailout package is necessary if a large bank or business is in trouble of failing. This bailout package invariable causes inflation, as the bailout packages can run in the billions of dollars. Bailout packages are not usually made for "small-time" banks and businesses. And to be fair, I agree with the Fed that it is necessary to do this at times...But I also wonder why these large banks continue to make risky loans. The Pennsylvania Railroad fiasco of the 70's is a shining example of this point, among others.


http://www.tfhp.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

Yes, I realize my posts had a "conspiracy" flare. I got carried away, and realize this now thanks to you. All I was really trying to say is what I responded to Clove with above. :)

[Tsa`ah]

A new study (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/05/healthy_tax_burden) shows that fat people who smoke cost less money in health care than skinny people who don't smoke. These legislators did not consider that.

Eh ... I think you need to distinguish between our systems of medicine and European systems of medicine. You did not consider that.