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ClydeR
01-30-2008, 10:10 PM
What was that!? McCain was inarticulate, petty and uninformed. It breaks my heart that he will probably be the party's nominee. It just breaks my heart. Even Barack would be able to beat him in the general election. Hillary is more likely than Barack to be the Democrat nominee, and she will decimate McCain. Judging by his several slips of the tongue and rambling words tonight, it's starting to look like McCain may not be physically able to keep up the pace until November.
I doubt any of the media pundits will admit it because they all love McCain, but Romney won tonight's debate. Huckabee also did well, although he didn't get to talk much.
If McCain is the nominee, I may stay home in November. The Republicans will have no one to blame but themselves when they put a Democrat in the White House.
Parkbandit
01-30-2008, 10:37 PM
If McCain is the eventual winner.. aren't we still putting a Democrat in the White House?
Bobmuhthol
01-30-2008, 10:42 PM
That's exactly why McCain is awesome. He's my favorite Republican ever.
Lysander
01-30-2008, 10:49 PM
Damn McCain, he's like a Ninja Democrat. Sneaky bastards.
Ilvane
01-31-2008, 08:44 AM
He's too conservative to be a Democrat.
I like those middle of the road Republicans, except he said he supported putting judges like Roberts and Alito up on the Supreme court, which would make him pretty damned conservative, in my opinion.
Angela
Parkbandit
01-31-2008, 09:30 AM
LOL at your political opinion.
McCain is FAR from a conservative... no matter what he claims. Look at his voting record.. his sponsorship of legislation.
CrystalTears
01-31-2008, 09:33 AM
He's too conservative to be a Democrat.
I like those middle of the road Republicans, except he said he supported putting judges like Roberts and Alito up on the Supreme court, which would make him pretty damned conservative, in my opinion.
Angela
And yet you're going to vote for him in order to not vote for Obama. You're weird.
Parkbandit
01-31-2008, 09:41 AM
And yet you're going to vote for him in order to not vote for Obama. You're weird.
You spelled retarded wrong.
Ilvane
01-31-2008, 09:42 AM
I might have a flip-flop on that. The talk on the Supreme court issue kinda made me nervous. There are bound to be some retiring soon, as some of them are seriously getting up there.
I don't want Obama to be the candidate, but it seems like if it were a choice between him and a Republican it might be wiser to vote Democrat. We'll have to see. I don't know yet.
I guess I'll wait and see who wins the Democratic nomination and weigh the options then.
Angela
Clove
01-31-2008, 09:44 AM
I guess I'll wait and see who wins the Democratic nomination and weigh the options then.
Angela
No you won't, if Obama wins- we're having a McCain party in Whitman.
Parkbandit
01-31-2008, 09:47 AM
No you won't, if Obama wins- we're having a McCain party in Whitman.
IS THERE A COINCIDENCE THAT YOU WANT TO PARTY IN WHIT(E)MAN IF THE BLACK MAN WINS!?
Xaerve
01-31-2008, 10:45 AM
The scariest part about Illvane is her inability to see through her own bullshit.
And LOL @ PB's quote above.
ClydeR
01-31-2008, 11:06 AM
The American Family Association has a voter guide (http://www.repairingthefoundations.com/Detail.aspx?id=74) showing where the Republican candidates stand on family values issues. It has footnotes that link to an online article or cite a source about each position of each candidate. "Yes" is good and "No" is bad in the table from the point of view of the AFA. The Democrats have "No" on every issue. The Republicans got mixed results.
McCain got No on "Human Life Amendment," "Traditional Marriage," and "Limit Taxes." There is no nuance in a table that shows only Yes and No. You will have to use your knowledge of the candidate's actual position as a supplement.
Romney got No on "Human Life Amendment," "Gun Rights," "Business Freedom," "Opposes Gay Pride," and "Moral Education." Several of those categories could have been combined into a single issue, which leads to candidate Huckabee.
Huckabee got Yes on everything! Because of which issues were chosen, I have a suspicion that the voter guide was designed to benefit Huckabee.
The voter guide will help you decide how conservative, moderate or liberal McCain and Romney really are.
Ilvane
01-31-2008, 11:12 AM
LOL, loved the about us portion of that website. Amusing stuff.
Oh, and for one..What the hell does an assault weapons ban have to do with the sanctity of the family?
Good grief.
Angela
Kefka
01-31-2008, 11:13 AM
No you won't, if Obama wins- we're having a McCain party in Whitman.
Highly doubtful. True conservatives hate McCain. Hillary's the only one that can motivate them enough to show up at the polls. A McCain/Lieberman ticket is the worst of both worlds, a RINO/DINO ticket. Obama has a following that's steadily growing. Without the hatred, McCain is done.
radamanthys
01-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Belief in and evangelical government does not a conservative make.
Huckabee got Yes on everything! Because of which issues were chosen, I have a suspicion that the voter guide was designed to benefit Huckabee.
The voter guide will help you decide how conservative, moderate or liberal McCain and Romney really are.
And how do you not see that the above 2 sentences completely contradict even clicking on the link in your previous post? Or even give the AFA any credibility they think they deserve?
How about presenting 'guide' that has a neutral bias to determine one's actual political standing. Instead of this bullshit.
Parkbandit
01-31-2008, 11:29 AM
Highly doubtful. True conservatives hate McCain. Hillary's the only one that can motivate them enough to show up at the polls. A McCain/Lieberman ticket is the worst of both worlds, a RINO/DINO ticket. Obama has a following that's steadily growing. Without the hatred, McCain is done.
I agree. If Clinton wins the nomination (and that is what the polls are looking like currently.. sorry Tsa'ah) then we will end up with McCain in the WH. Against Obama though, I doubt enough Republicans will care enough to cast a vote.
ClydeR
01-31-2008, 11:39 AM
And how do you not see that the above 2 sentences completely contradict even clicking on the link in your previous post? Or even give the AFA any credibility they think they deserve?
I have faith in your ability to use the guide as a list of issues and references. The footnotes are a rich source of information.
Xandalf
01-31-2008, 11:44 AM
McCain wins via lack of other competant choices.
Kefka
01-31-2008, 12:20 PM
I agree. If Clinton wins the nomination (and that is what the polls are looking like currently.. sorry Tsa'ah) then we will end up with McCain in the WH. Against Obama though, I doubt enough Republicans will care enough to cast a vote.
Wouldn't go that far either. While more conservatives will show up to vote against Hillary, a still growing majority is anti-war. McCain's 'Bomb Iran' song won't win him too many friends. There's a huge difference between having to stay in Iraq to clean up our mess and being eager to jump into another war. It'll certainly make the race more competitive, but nothing more than that.
Kembal
01-31-2008, 01:16 PM
While Hillary is ahead, there's a bunch of polls coming out showing that Obama is closing. He's down by 3 in CA, and only 6 in MA. (He was down by 37 in MA before the Kennedy endorsement)
Feb. 5 is going to be an interesting night.
Edit: Oh yeah, appears Obama raised $32 million in Jan alone. McCain only raised $29 million in all of 2007. Talk about a disparity.
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