State of the Union

[ClydeR]

I don't know what the President will say at the State of the Union speech tonight, but he should say

1) As the person charged by the Constitution with conducting our foreign affairs, he is going to negotiate a long term status-of-forces agreement with Iraq, committing future presidents and congresses to the vital mission of fighting radical jihadist terrorists and protecting the flow of Iraq's natural resources.

2) Congress should promptly renew the FISA law so that our government knows when foreign terrorists communicate with their counterparts inside the United States.

3) Congress should pass an amendment to the Constitution to protect traditional families.

4) Congress should pass a stimulus package to prevent a recession, and Congress should make the earlier tax cuts permanent.

5) Except for its budget obligations, Congress should stay out of managing the Global War on Terrorism. Decisions about troop deployments belong to the President, as provided in the Constitution.

6) Congress should stop dragging its feet on the President's nominations to the judiciary and other positions.

7) Congress should do its job to save Social Security by allowing some portion of each Social Security account to be invested in private securities.

8) Congress should renew the No Child Left Behind Act, but to allow maximum local control it should not require standardized science testing.

9) Just as drugs should not be a requirement to play baseball, drugs should also not be a requirement to attend elementary or high school. Schools should not be allowed to coerce drug use as a condition to being allowed to attend school.

10) Congress should give the President the line item veto so that he can control federal spending, which is running wild under the Democrat congress.

I should get a job as a speech writer!

[CrystalTears]

You scare me. Please show your true colors and tell us who you are because you can't be real. You can't be! You're too fucked in the head!

[TheEschaton]

While ClydeR is an idiot as usual, the topic is a pertinent one. I think I'm going to cry at the end of this one, knowing it's BUsh's last one. Tears of joy ftmfw.

Oh, and the SOTU isn't for admonishing Congress and discussing politics, it's for discussing THE STATE OF THE UNION.

As for this:

9) Just as drugs should not be a requirement to play baseball, drugs should also not be a requirement to attend elementary or high school. Schools should not be allowed to coerce drug use as a condition to being allowed to attend school.


What the fuck?

-TheE-

[The Ponzzz]

It is Backlash... I don;t understand why you people haven't caught on.

[ClydeR]

It is Backlash... I don;t understand why you people haven't caught on.

This post is not picking on The Ponzzz or any other specific person. Several of you have said that I must be "Backlash." I assume that is the name of another member, and I did a search in the forums for posts by Backlash but could not find any. I would like to read some of his posts, though, if any of you can direct me. I doubt that his writing style, interests and knowledge of conservative issues are at all similar to mine.

Let me assure you that I am not, nor have I ever been, Backlash. I don't know anything about Backlash. I have never posted in this forum using any name other than ClydeR. I began reading this forum just a few weeks or maybe a couple of months before my first post.

Other than that, I prefer to maintain my privacy, just as I am sure most of you do. Try to address issues, not personalities.

[The Ponzzz]

This post is not picking on The Ponzzz or any other specific person. Several of you have said that I must be "Backlash." I assume that is the name of another member, and I did a search in the forums for posts by Backlash but could not find any. I would like to read some of his posts, though, if any of you can direct me. I doubt that his writing style, interests and knowledge of conservative issues are at all similar to mine.

Let me assure you that I am not, nor have I ever been, Backlash. I don't know anything about Backlash. I have never posted in this forum using any name other than ClydeR. I began reading this forum just a few weeks or maybe a couple of months before my first post.

Other than that, I prefer to maintain my privacy, just as I am sure most of you do. Try to address issues, not personalities.

If you honestly searched for Backlash and couldn't find anything, you are Backlash 100%.

[ClydeR]

-TheE-

"Coercion" in this context is the word often used to refer to the refusal of school officials to allow a child to attend school unless the child is taking drugs that the school wants the child to take. It usually related to ADHD. Parents often feel coerced by the school when the school never explicitly states the drug requirement as a condition of attendance. To nip the problem in the bud, Congress needs to make clear that parents have a right to refuse mood altering medication for their children, except in extreme cases.

A Google search with "coercion" and "adhd" will turn up lots of articles.

[ClydeR]

If you honestly searched for Backlash and couldn't find anything, you are Backlash 100%.

I found plenty of threads with the word "backlash," but I could not find any started by Backlash. I also could not find "Backlash" in the Members List.

[CrystalTears]

I don't buy this person to be Backlash because I refuse to believe that Backlash is SO bored that he would post completely opposite to himself.

Of course if we find that it is, then I have two words for him: therapy.

Backlash is banned so you won't find him in the member list.

But because I'm a sport, here are his posts. Enjoy. http://forum.gsplayers.com/search.php?searchid=1147638

[The Ponzzz]

I don't buy this person to be Backlash because I refuse to believe that Backlash is SO bored that he would post completely opposite to himself.

Of course if we find that it is, then I have two words for him: therapy.

Backlash is banned so you won't find him in the member list.

But because I'm a sport, here are his posts. Enjoy. http://forum.gsplayers.com/search.php?searchid=1147638

Look at the list Kranar pulled up last time. There were linked IPs to like 6 names. Each with their own personality.

[CrystalTears]

The personalities that came after aren't the same as the original Backlash in all his wacko goodness.

[ClydeR]

Oh, and the SOTU isn't for admonishing Congress and discussing politics, it's for discussing THE STATE OF THE UNION.

The State of the Union address is required by the constitution, which clearly says that one of its purposes is to recommend legislation. You can call it "admonishing" if you want, but it is the President's duty regardless.


Article II, Section 3 - He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information on the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient...

[Gan]

Hmmm, quite a list.
My comments in red.

1) As the person charged by the Constitution with conducting our foreign affairs, he is going to negotiate a long term status-of-forces agreement with Iraq, committing future presidents and congresses to the vital mission of fighting radical jihadist terrorists and protecting the flow of Iraq's natural resources.
-I might agree with this one.

2) Congress should promptly renew the FISA law so that our government knows when foreign terrorists communicate with their counterparts inside the United States.
-No comment yet, I need to look that one up.

3) Congress should pass an amendment to the Constitution to protect traditional families.
-Do not agree on this one.

4) Congress should pass a stimulus package to prevent a recession, and Congress should make the earlier tax cuts permanent.
-Agree

5) Except for its budget obligations, Congress should stay out of managing the Global War on Terrorism. Decisions about troop deployments belong to the President, as provided in the Constitution.
-Agree with everything up to: as provided in the Constitution.

6) Congress should stop dragging its feet on the President's nominations to the judiciary and other positions.
-I dont agree with this one.

7) Congress should do its job to save Social Security by allowing some portion of each Social Security account to be invested in private securities.
-Agreed

8) Congress should renew the No Child Left Behind Act, but to allow maximum local control it should not require standardized science testing.
-Agree with allowing local control of school requirement/testing.

9) Just as drugs should not be a requirement to play baseball, drugs should also not be a requirement to attend elementary or high school. Schools should not be allowed to coerce drug use as a condition to being allowed to attend school.
-Agreed as long as its supported by each individual's physician.

10) Congress should give the President the line item veto so that he can control federal spending, which is running wild under the Democrat congress.
-I used to agree with this, but now think it would give the executive branch too much power. I would consider now that all pork/riders/earmarks be excluded from current bills. If the earmark is justified then it should merit the attention of being an individual bill and all the scrutiny and advertisement that goes with it.


I should get a job as a speech writer!
Not really.

Seriously.

[thefarmer]

As for part 1.. Unless I'm wrong, there are more people that determine foreign affairs than just the president, correct?

[Kefka]

I don't know what the President will say at the State of the Union speech tonight, but he should say

1) As the person charged by the Constitution with conducting our foreign affairs, he is going to negotiate a long term status-of-forces agreement with Iraq, committing future presidents and congresses to the vital mission of fighting radical jihadist terrorists and protecting the flow of Iraq's natural resources.

2) Congress should promptly renew the FISA law so that our government knows when foreign terrorists communicate with their counterparts inside the United States.

3) Congress should pass an amendment to the Constitution to protect traditional families.

4) Congress should pass a stimulus package to prevent a recession, and Congress should make the earlier tax cuts permanent.

5) Except for its budget obligations, Congress should stay out of managing the Global War on Terrorism. Decisions about troop deployments belong to the President, as provided in the Constitution.

6) Congress should stop dragging its feet on the President's nominations to the judiciary and other positions.

7) Congress should do its job to save Social Security by allowing some portion of each Social Security account to be invested in private securities.

8) Congress should renew the No Child Left Behind Act, but to allow maximum local control it should not require standardized science testing.

9) Just as drugs should not be a requirement to play baseball, drugs should also not be a requirement to attend elementary or high school. Schools should not be allowed to coerce drug use as a condition to being allowed to attend school.

10) Congress should give the President the line item veto so that he can control federal spending, which is running wild under the Democrat congress.

I should get a job as a speech writer!

This is bad comedy. - Galvatron

[Gan]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's last State of the Union address is expected to be heavy on Iraq and the economy, but he also will say he is entering a congressional fray over earmarking taxpayer dollars, administration officials said.

The speech will air live on CNN television and CNN.com. Coverage begins at 8 p.m. ET.

Bush will announce "unprecedented changes" in the way lawmakers earmark money for special projects that benefit their districts or campaign contributors, White House spokesman Tony Fratto said in an e-mail.

The president plans to sign an executive order Tuesday "directing agencies to ignore any future earmarks included in report language, but not in the legislation," Fratto said.

The order will not be retroactive, he added. Democrats were quick to point out that almost half of the 11,735 earmarks approved in 2008 were GOP-sponsored and White House-endorsed.

"The president will say that if these spending items are worthy, Congress should debate them in the open and hold a public vote," Fratto said. "He will state his commitment to veto any spending bill that does not succeed in cutting earmarks in half from 2008 levels."

The move comes after House Republicans challenged Democrats in a letter Friday to join a bipartisan effort to overhaul earmarks. Republicans are expected to use earmarking as an issue against Democrats in the 2008 elections.

But the majority of Bush's address will focus on revisiting unfinished business.

The president spent Sunday afternoon at the White House rehearsing the address. Senior aides said the speech runs about 42 minutes after a slew of tweaks.

Downplaying expectations, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said last week "it's just not realistic" for the president to present any major new initiatives with less than a year in office.

Bush will try to build on an initial agreement with Democrats on a $150 billion stimulus plan by invoking a "spirit of bipartisanship that we can use to make other deals," a senior administration official said.

Much of the speech will focus on things Bush already has asked Congress to pass -- an overhaul of federal laws governing electronic surveillance, permanent extensions of his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts and free-trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama, administration officials said.

Parties acknowledge finding common ground on many of these issues will be difficult in a divisive election year.

Bush's earlier annual speeches to Congress have been dominated by big projects -- the invasion of Iraq, development of alternative fuels, the partial privatization of Social Security and the expansion of Medicare to cover prescription drugs.

Senior administration officials said the theme of this year's address will be "Trust and Empower." "His address will advocate his philosophy of trusting Americans, empowering them to make good and wise decisions, especially when it comes to keeping more of their hard-earned money, rather than sending it to Washington," Perino said.

In recent days, Bush has restated his demands for a revision of federal wiretapping authority and for the permanent extension of the $1.6 trillion in tax cuts he pushed through Congress. He has said extending those tax cuts will ensure the U.S. economy will "continue to lead the world."

But Democratic congressional leaders are opposed to making the tax cuts permanent. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, on Friday called for a time of "tax fairness," saying not to "make permanent tax cuts for the richest Americans."

Likewise, the South Korea, Colombia and Panama pacts will face uphill battles, with lawmakers raising concerns about U.S. jobs being shipped overseas.

Bush will continue to urge patience with the nearly 5-year-old Iraq war, saying more time is needed for the Iraqi government to reach a political settlement and to lock in security gains made since he dispatched nearly 30,000 additional U.S. troops there a year ago.

No major announcements on bringing more troops home are expected, administration officials said. Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, will deliver his next progress report to Congress in March.

Petraeus on Sunday said the Pentagon wants to bring troops home quickly to reduce the strain on the armed services.

"But we want to do it ... in a way that will allow these gains to be maintained," Petraeus told CNN's "Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer." "We don't want to jeopardize what we have fought so hard for."

Democrats have tried to wind down the war since taking control of Congress in January 2007, and their leaders continue to make clear their patience has run thin.

"He'll tell us the war has turned a corner and that victory is in sight," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, said last week, adding that Americans have heard that refrain many times since Bush's declaration of victory in May 2003.

"Five years, nearly 4,000 deaths and half a trillion dollars later, the mission is still not accomplished," Reid said.

Aides said the president also will spend time touting efforts to forge peace in the Mideast. There is deep skepticism around the world that Bush can pull off such a diplomatic coup, especially given a new spate of violence between Israelis and Palestinians.

And a major battle is brewing in the Senate over Bush's no-warrant surveillance program, which aides said will play a prominent role in Monday night's address.

With a permanent revision of federal wiretapping laws being fiercely debated in the Senate, the White House told Reid this weekend that Bush will veto any temporary extension of a law -- set to expire February 1.
White House officials argue there will be an "intelligence gap" when the current law expires, making the nation vulnerable to another terrorist attack.

"The intelligence community needs a long-term law to carry out its programs to protect the nation, not a patchwork of six-month extensions and 30-day extensions," one administration official said.

Reid has fired back that if there's a terrorist attack, the White House will be to blame.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/28/sotu.main/index.html

[Kembal]

ClydeR is Backlash. He's a parody of a social conservative. He also wrote point 2 as a Democrat would write it, not as a Bush supporter.

Democrats don't have a problem doing technical updates to FISA. They have a problem with allowing warrantless surveillance without any review by a judge, and with giving telecom companies absolute immunity from lawsuits trying to find out what happened when the administration was doing surveillance outside the purview of FISA with the cooperation of the telecom companies. (The companies do have qualifiied immunity right now, but that requires proving it to a judge in a hearing.)

[Bobmuhthol]

You know who isn't banned?

http://forum.gsplayers.com/member.php?u=629

That guy. That's awesome.

[Hulkein]

I remember TheE wrote in a post a long time ago that some liberal friend of his on the Daily Show boards did this same thing (parodying a conservative to the extreme). One day he came out and told everyone he was kidding around and they had a laugh and all met in real life for butt sex.

I wouldn't be surprised if Backlash remembered that story and is doing the same thing.

[ClydeR]

The President unambiguously made six of the ten points that I recommended. I give it a B+. The six points were numbers 2, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8.

[Stanley Burrell]

This will be the first State of the Union I have watched since "The United states doesn't distinguish between terrorists and the countries who harbor them."

Since I'll probably turn off today's cockamamie horeshit after the first wave of hypocritical words excreted by our cowboy in office, I, Stanley Burrell of The Players' Corner Forum, will have collectively watched a total of 1-and-a-half State of The Union addresses issued by King George II for eight years too long.

This is something more patriotic I'll be happy to brag about to my grandchildren than your everyday war story.

If any of the normal posters on the boards, since there are a bunch of you in CT, want to meet up wherever and party like it's not '00-'08, gimme, or whoever a holler so that maybe us gentler folks can arrange something drinky-drinks.

Peace in the Middle East,

- Not a Republican

[Stanley Burrell]

Also, ClydeR and all the Backlashes need to stop like what.

[Skeeter]

You know how I know you're backlash?

[Parkbandit]

This is something more patriotic I'll be happy to brag about to my grandchildren than your everyday war story.


The thought of someone like you procreating makes me want to campaign for the forced sterilization of the mentally retarded.

[Stanley Burrell]

The thought of someone like you procreating makes me want to campaign for the forced sterilization of the mentally retarded.

What's great is that not suffering from old-man decrepit wang syndrome, or O.L.D., as I like to call it, allows me not to have the shriveled member incapable of busting nutloads on my haggard wifey in Florida.

And I guess the fact that you'll die sooner than me is an added benefit. You're excused for your usual retardedness, PB. Enjoy the rest of your day getting wheeled around, but 'ware ye Xyelin...

[Gan]

What's great is that not suffering from old-man decrepit wang syndrome, or O.L.D., as I like to call it, allows me not to have the shriveled member incapable of busting nutloads on my haggard wifey in Florida.

And I guess the fact that you'll die sooner than me is an added benefit. You're excused for your usual retardedness, PB. Enjoy the rest of your day getting wheeled around, but 'ware ye Xyelin...

I dont know Stan. All that drug use has to have added about 10 or 15 years onto your body. Biologically and psyiologically I bet your 'innerds' are pretty scarred up. Hey, you're the bio/chem expert, surely you can testify as to the level of damage the chemicals you've induced to your system have taken.

;)

[Warriorbird]

Parkbandit's totally a reformed hippy. Nobody's more zealous than a convert.

[Clove]

Parkbandit's totally a reformed hippy. Nobody's more zealous than a convert.

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty (in PB's case eighty) you have no brain.”

-Winston Churchill

[Parkbandit]

I wasn't a liberal at 20... oh well.

[Stanley Burrell]

I dont know Stan. All that drug use has to have added about 10 or 15 years onto your body. Biologically and psyiologically I bet your 'innerds' are pretty scarred up. Hey, you're the bio/chem expert, surely you can testify as to the level of damage the chemicals you've induced to your system have taken.

;)

I'll put it like this: Let's see if my liver or, say, Sean2's goes cirhottic first.

I'm also in perfect health, I fucked around with low doses of Klonopin, as much as ParkBandit would masturbate had it been crack/cocaine, but, no...

Lung capacity ftw. Although you guys can continue to dish out the druggie comments, they're just comical at this point. If you want, I can make up a story and rehash the details of years upon years of HARDCORE DRUG ABUSE WHEN IN ROME, AMSTERDAM; but it'd be as a big as a fib as that one time ParkBandit/Mike (I think his name is) actually standing up to a female hairdresser without tucking his dick between his legs and clucking like a spring chicken. Not to mention having scalp growth to groom.


Or, you could meet up with me and get schooled at HORSE.

I think, like, 90% of the board posters have done, +collectively, more shit than I have, if I had to take a rough estimate.

ParkBandit needs chemicals in his system to start his heart and other various organs again, though.

Seriously on drugs because you say so on vBull',

- Stanley Burrell (AKA lick a cock, ParkBandit.)

[Stanley Burrell]

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty (in PB's case eighty) you have no brain.”

-Winston Churchill

Kind human being, you are ;-)

[Parkbandit]

LOL.. I think I made the little druggie mad. Boo fucking hoo.

Anyway, I think I've given you more attention than is needed.. it's part of my "Be nice to a fucking loser" campaign of the day. I'll go back to doing what almost everyone else here does.. just skipping over your drug induced idiot post vomit. Trying to make sense of it usually just ends in futility.

Now.. back to the SotU speech. One of the best parts was:


We have other work to do on taxes. Unless Congress acts, most of the tax relief we've delivered over the past seven years will be taken away. Some in Washington argue that letting tax relief expire is not a tax increase. Try explaining that to 116 million American taxpayers who would see their taxes rise by an average of $1,800. Others have said they would personally be happy to pay higher taxes. I welcome their enthusiasm. I'm pleased to report that the IRS accepts both checks and money orders.

I'm SO glad a President finally said it.

[Latrinsorm]

LOL.. I think I made the little druggie mad. Boo fucking hoo.

Anyway, I think I've given you more attention than is needed.. it's part of my "Be nice to a fucking loser" campaign of the day. I'll go back to doing what almost everyone else here does.. just skipping over your drug induced idiot post vomit. Trying to make sense of it usually just ends in futility.Yeah, you really showed him by following him around like a lovesick puppy for weeks on end.

[Stanley Burrell]

LoL, Mike/PB just makes me laugh. A lot. I can a wreck a mic, at least. Chka-checka, one two.

Anyhows, I'm'a go find the hotel in Florida he bellhops and clog the toilet of his Motel 6.

Massive Hormel Chili consumption: COMMENCE.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, you really showed him by following him around like a lovesick puppy for weeks on end.


I make fun of all idiots... are you accusing me of following you like a lovesick puppy for weeks on end now as well?

[Stanley Burrell]

I make fun of all idiots... are you accusing me of following you like a lovesick puppy for weeks on end now as well?

I'd tell you to start making fun of yourself, Mike, but you're doing a damn fine job at that as long as your body keeps responding to that senile organ that makes you type.

Eat a viagra,

- Not you (thank God.)

[Parkbandit]

LoL, Mike/PB just makes me laugh. A lot. I can a wreck a mic, at least. Chka-checka, one two.

Anyhows, I'm'a go find the hotel in Florida he bellhops and clog the toilet of his Motel 6.

Massive Hormel Chili consumption: COMMENCE.


LoL, Stanley/Stanley. I don't work at a hotel anymore.. I own my own business. But even when I started out as a houseman 22 years ago.. I was making more money then than you currently do. I was able to actually move out of my mommy and daddy's house and get on with my own life.

[Stanley Burrell]

LoL, Stanley/Stanley. I don't work at a hotel anymore.. I own my own business. But even when I started out as a houseman 22 years ago.. I was making more money then than you currently do. I was able to actually move out of my mommy and daddy's house and get on with my own life.

Having nursing home staff push you around for colon cleansing doesn't really count as independence.

[Parkbandit]

Funny part is.. you have to make shit up to try and make me look 'bad'... and all I have to do is use your own posts and people know you look pathetic.

Does your Mommy have to hide her purse from you still?

[Snapp]

We get it, you don't like each other.

So about that State of the Union...

[Drew]

Does anyone know what the pamphlet/book that all the Democrats were reading is?

[Parkbandit]

I think it's the speech transcript.

[TheEschaton]

Gotta coordinate when you're clapping and not clapping.