Thank God Bush is gone soon

[Krendeli]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

Hopefully we don't elect another Republican liar.

[sst]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

Hopefully we don't elect another Republican liar.

If by soon you mean a year... I would not call a year soon...

[Clove]

Yeah. I'd be more comfortable with a Democrat liar.

[RichardCranium]

Yeah, maybe this time we can elect a Democratic liar. Or an Independent liar. Or a Green Party liar. Or a Libetarian liar.

[Skeeter]

I'd settle for someone who is actually elected this time.

[Latrinsorm]

If you actually look at the study, nowhere do they present evidence (let alone definitive evidence) that President Bush or his administration purposefully lied at any time. Feel free to continue calling him one though, it doesn't make you look like a zealot with an axe to grind at all. :)

[Clove]

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

--

"Honey, where are the car keys?"

"On the diningroom table"

"No they aren't YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!!!"

"Sorry mom, I moved them when I was cleaning"

"He's still a FUCKING LIAR!!!"

[Clove]

Yeah, maybe this time we can elect a Democratic liar. Or an Independent liar. Or a Green Party liar. Or a Libetarian liar.

You're just mean.

[sst]

"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Id like you to reread that clove. I do not disagree with the study in that sense, the administration did in fact have erroneous information, and it did in fact spread that information. The question is, was it known to be erroneous at the time? Congress, nor the senate felt that information was erroneous, even though they have the same access to said information that the office of the president has.

Where i disagree is the use of the word lie. Is it a lie if you believe the information to be ture?

[Lucas]

Bush went to war due to geopolitics. It had nothing to do with WMDs. Our potential power capability is about 600 times greater then Iraq, calling them a threat even if they possessed nuclear weapons and the delivery system needed to use them would be laughable.

[Clove]

Where i disagree is the use of the word lie. Is it a lie if you believe the information to be ture?

That's why I posted it. It can be proven that the information available was incorrect. That doesn't follow that the administration was lying; unless it can be proven they were aware that the information was bad.

Given the UN September ultimatum and the opinions of world intelligence services at the time- to say that the Bush administration was aware the information was bad is a tough sell.

[Ogreslayer]

"The question is, was it known to be erroneous at the time?"

As well, was it based on the best information available at the time? This report was written with little interest in providing truth, critical assessment, or clarity, just spin.

It is laughable that the MSM treats this report as something worthy of serious journalism. When do we see the report that characterizes Clinton's statements regarding the threat of WMDs in Iraq as "lies"?

[Parkbandit]

Clearly Sean2 forgot all about Krendeli when he made the sandbox...

[Krendeli]

Clearly Sean2 forgot all about Krendeli when he made the sandbox...

That's right. Send off all the sane Democrats so you nut jobs can have your own little fantasy world to play in.

[sst]

Bush went to war due to geopolitics. It had nothing to do with WMDs. Our potential power capability is about 600 times greater then Iraq, calling them a threat even if they possessed nuclear weapons and the delivery system needed to use them would be laughable.

I dont know what to say to this... a delivery system can be a sailboat. If you think other countires with nukes are not threats, you sir, i call a retard.

[Blud]

Our potential power capability is about 600 times greater then Iraq, calling them a threat even if they possessed nuclear weapons and the delivery system needed to use them would be laughable.

Except, not so laughable if they had the capability to deliver said nuclear weapons to the US by way of said delivery system. Sure we might retaliate, but still, we would be bombed nonetheless. That makes the threat not so laughable, and to be taken very seriously.

[Sean of the Thread]

That's right. Send off all the sane Democrats so you nut jobs can have your own little fantasy world to play in.

but... I am a democrat.

and I'm sorry I let you slip thru the cracks.

[Parkbandit]

That's right. Send off all the sane Democrats so you nut jobs can have your own little fantasy world to play in.


No.. the sane Democrats can stay.. it's the retards with no grasp of history or reality like yourself that typically end up posting something foolish and stupid and ignorant and then ruining an otherwise good debate.

Claiming you are even close to being sane would fall into that category.

[TheEschaton]

Both George Tenet and Richard Clark have said that they counseled that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and they were told to find the evidence. Both counseled that there were probably no WMD in Iraq, but they were told to not operate on that "theory."

George Bush, in his SOTU speech, used an intelligence report stating Iraq had yellowcake, which had been proven to be factually incorrect months prior. Tenet had expressed that he didn't think that should be in the speech, and the Administration decided to put it in anyways.

When someone tried to tell the truth about that report, they outed his CIA wife, who was working undercover.

I'm sorry, they knew the information was false, they chose to use it anyways.

-TheE-

[Clove]

Yeah, the evidence wasn't a slam-dunk. Just the argument

[Ogreslayer]

George Bush, in his SOTU speech, used an intelligence report stating Iraq had yellowcake, which had been proven to be factually incorrect months prior. Tenet had expressed that he didn't think that should be in the speech, and the Administration decided to put it in anyways.

When someone tried to tell the truth about that report, they outed his CIA wife, who was working undercover.

I'm sorry, they knew the information was false, they chose to use it anyways.

-TheE-

Really? That's not what the Senate panel found when they investigated. From the Washington Post:

"The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address."

Wilson was revealed as a weasel long ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html?referrer=emailarticle

[Gan]

I'd settle for someone who is actually elected this time.
OH NOEZ NOT THE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION CONSPIRACY AGAIN!!! That thing keeps resurfacing like a bloated corpse popping up from the bottom of the Hudson.


If you actually look at the study, nowhere do they present evidence (let alone definitive evidence) that President Bush or his administration purposefully lied at any time. Feel free to continue calling him one though, it doesn't make you look like a zealot with an axe to grind at all. :)
Well shit, I hate it when I agree with one of Latrin's posts. :/


No.. the sane Democrats can stay.. it's the retards with no grasp of history or reality like yourself that typically end up posting something foolish and stupid and ignorant and then ruining an otherwise good debate.

Claiming you are even close to being sane would fall into that category.
LOL
x2

[Gan]

Both George Tenet and Richard Clark have said that they counseled that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and they were told to find the evidence. Both counseled that there were probably no WMD in Iraq, but they were told to not operate on that "theory."

George Bush, in his SOTU speech, used an intelligence report stating Iraq had yellowcake, which had been proven to be factually incorrect months prior. Tenet had expressed that he didn't think that should be in the speech, and the Administration decided to put it in anyways.

When someone tried to tell the truth about that report, they outed his CIA wife, who was working undercover.

I'm sorry, they knew the information was false, they chose to use it anyways.

-TheE-

You're completely forgetting that George Tenet linked Al Queada to Iraq and even demonstrated so in his book.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=589556&postcount=28

[Skeeter]

OH NOEZ NOT THE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION CONSPIRACY AGAIN!!! That thing keeps resurfacing like a bloated corpse popping up from the bottom of the Hudson.

Both elections were sketchy as fuck. Even as a fanatical conservative I would think you would see that.

Not that I want to get into a full blown argument over this.

[Clove]

Wilson was revealed as a weasel long ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html?referrer=emailarticle

That's not really fair to weasels.

[Clove]

OH NOEZ NOT THE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION CONSPIRACY AGAIN!!! That thing keeps resurfacing like a bloated corpse popping up from the bottom of the Hudson.


Kind of like "They LIED!!!" keeps resurfacing?

[Gan]

I'd settle for someone who is actually elected this time.
Which means Bush stole the election by implying or innuendo.


Both elections were sketchy as fuck. Even as a fanatical conservative I would think you would see that.

Not that I want to get into a full blown argument over this.
Flaws in the election vote counting process does not implicate Bush as not being voted in, either time. Even the high court said as much when they confirmed Bush the winner.

I can appreciate you not wanting to RE-hash arguments from threads long dead; however, expect a reaction when you post something like this off the cuff. ;)

If you dont want to discuss it, dont post it.

[Skeeter]

we can agree to disagree.

[Gan]

we can agree to disagree.

I'm ok with that, as long as you keep that avatar up.

[Parkbandit]

LOL @ Skeeter not wanting to rehash it once he throws the old "BUSH R STOLE ELECTION AND MY VOTE DIDN'T COUNT!

Facts are a real bitch to conspiracies...

[Nieninque]

Don't get too excited. They are all the fucking same.

[Stanley Burrell]

Who do you think GWB pardons?

[Warriorbird]

Himself.

It's not going to matter much that Bush is gone when Hillary blows the election.

[CrystalTears]

It's not going to matter much that Bush is gone when Hillary blows the election.
Hillary took lessons from Monica?

[Warriorbird]

I don't think she could stretch her mouth wide enough to get the election in.

[Clove]

Hillary took lessons from Monica?

Bill doesn't inhale. Does Hillary swallow?

[Clove]

Who do you think GWB pardons?

Tenet.

[Parkbandit]

Who do you think GWB pardons?

Far fewer than Bill Clinton did I'm sure.

[Bobmuhthol]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

[Hulkein]

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

--

"Honey, where are the car keys?"

"On the diningroom table"

"No they aren't YOU FUCKING LIAR!!!!!"

"Sorry mom, I moved them when I was cleaning"

"He's still a FUCKING LIAR!!!"

I swear I used that exact example like 3 years ago on this forum. Down to the keys and dining room table. Haha, did you do that on purpose?

[Clove]

I swear I used that exact example like 3 years ago on this forum. Down to the keys and dining room table. Haha, did you do that on purpose?

Yes. Call me lazy. I didn't feel like looking up the quote.

[Parkbandit]

Yes. Call me lazy. I didn't feel like looking up the quote.


Lazy.

[Hulkein]

Heh, I don't mind I just got a flash of deja vu. What was your name back then?

[CrystalTears]

Bill doesn't inhale. Does Hillary swallow?
She's a spitter.

[Hulkein]

Let's get real, she hasn't sucked a dick in 20+ years.

[Gan]

I swear I used that exact example like 3 years ago on this forum. Down to the keys and dining room table. Haha, did you do that on purpose?
...

I prefer this definition for lie, also from Merriam Webster

Main Entry: 3lie
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing /'lI-i[ng]/
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive

I'd just hate to be called a liar for telling my mom her keys are on the table, when in fact they were moved by someone else without my knowledge.

[Clove]

Heh, I don't mind I just got a flash of deja vu. What was your name back then?

There's only ever been Clove. I just lurked.

[Warriorbird]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Sort of amusing to read through, actually.

[Stanley Burrell]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Sort of amusing to read through, actually.

I was barely 17 when the planes hit the Towers, but I remember finally getting North in The City, signing onto America Online, entering a chatroom and opening up with "...And George W. Bush is our president. We're doomed."

The first responses, by the bucketload, were "Now is not the time to not stand with the president." "You must stand with the president." "Your very being American right now is supporting everything this person does." Etc.

It was interesting. A lot of idiots were making what they perceived as rationalized statements later that day and on the twelfth (i.e. Israel hired Muslim hijackers to fly into three buildings, just nuke-u-lar-ize everyone, turn to God in these dark hours, etc.)

Someone then probably used a punter on me or the sheer traffic on 9/11-01 booted me off. It was weird, though.

[sst]

You're completely forgetting that George Tenet linked Al Queada to Iraq and even demonstrated so in his book.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=589556&postcount=28

No no Gan, that was TheE making things up so he could deny deny deny.

[Daniel]

Heh. One of these guys is a prof @ my school.