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Gan
01-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Iran's supreme leader (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=) Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has backed parliament in a dispute with hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who had objected to several measures adopted by MPs, the ISNA news agency said on Monday.


Ahmadinejad had criticised parliament, which is dominated by fellow conservatives, for overturning his decision to dissolve several institutions -- including the Monetary and Credit Council, a key financial policy maker -- as well as his abolition of summer time (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=) in Iran.

"Laws adopted through the process defined by the constitution must be respected by all organs," Khamenei said in a letter to parliament speaker Gholam Ali Hadad Adel.

Hadad Adel had sought the opinion of the supreme leader, who has the final say on all key policy issues, after receiving Ahmadinejad's complaint.
"I was surprised by the president writing to parliament to say a bill was against the constitution. This is unprecedented," Hadad Adel said, noting that it was the prerogative of the Guardians' Council to decide whether legislation was in accordance with the constitution.

Since he came to power in 2005, Ahmadinejad has sought more control over the economy to allow him to fulfil his campaign promise to distribute oil income more evenly.

But he has come under fire from both reformists and some fellow conservatives who charge that his expansionist economic policies have fuelled inflation.

The president also drew widespread criticism by abolishing daylight saving after he took power on the grounds that the measure, which had been in force for 16 years, went against the teachings of Islam.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080121102032.bumvsgiu
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Interesting turnabout since Mamhoud was the darling of the 'supreme rulers' of Iran when elected.

Iran is simply a pressure cooker with the lid on too tight and the escape valve frozen shut. Its just a matter of time before the Iranian people stand up and remember that the seperation of church and state is a good thing. And the quickest catalyst for this is through the lack of value in the currency they function with. Oil is great to have, but as Venezuelan's will testify, its not something you can eat.

Other countries can villify the West all they want, but the people of those countries say differently once they taste the freedoms that the West has come to represent.

Warriorbird
01-21-2008, 02:38 PM
Eh...

I think the fond dream of a lot of the other countries over there is to embrace sharia and theocracy.

Latrinsorm
01-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Its just a matter of time before the Iranian people stand up and remember that the seperation of church and state is a good thing.Haha, wow. Any Iranian remembering the separation of church and state is probably going to remember the Shah or look at how free religion is in Turkey.
Other countries can villify the West all they want, but the people of those countries say differently once they taste the freedoms that the West has come to represent.This was meant ironically, right?

Gan
01-21-2008, 03:11 PM
Haha, wow. Any Iranian remembering the separation of church and state is probably going to remember the Shah or look at how free religion is in Turkey.
Depends on the education level I suppose.


This was meant ironically, right?
Not really.

Daniel
01-21-2008, 03:16 PM
Yea. I doubt many people in Iran would want a separate church and state.

Gan
01-21-2008, 03:20 PM
You mean Iran is filled with the equivalent of East Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Carolina, Tennessee bible bangers who all believe that Jesus should be the next President?

:banghead:

Clearly there are schools of thought in Iranian universities that have looked at other societies historically and figured out that its NOT a good idea?

:wtf:


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And furthermore, if the West was not so influential then why are all the news articles about Iran cracking down on the younger generation for having 'western' style haircuts, music tastes, movie/entertainment tastes, clothing tastes, social mixing tastes, etc.?

AND WHY IS DAVID HASSELHOFF SUCH A FUCKING STAR OVER THERE, STILL!!! COME ON FOLKS, BAYWATCH WAS NOT THAT GREAT A SHOW.

Daniel
01-21-2008, 03:30 PM
That doesn't mean they'll just instantly revert to a secular governmental system.

Latrinsorm
01-21-2008, 04:13 PM
You mean Iran is filled with the equivalent of East Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Carolina, Tennessee bible bangers who all believe that Jesus should be the next President?I mean Iran has about as many people (per capita) that will use any persecutory ideology to promote their selfish motives as anywhere else in the world. This could be a religious ideology persecuting the secular, as with President Ahmadinejad, or it could be a secular ideology persecuting the religious, as with the former Shah.

"Western freedom" and "modernization" too often has meant "brutal repression" for this region. The idea that anyone who doesn't buy into it is ignorant is exactly the opposite of the truth.

Gan
01-21-2008, 04:37 PM
Thank God I live in the USA...


:whistle:

BigWorm
01-22-2008, 11:54 AM
Thank God I live in the USA...

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but this comment made me think. You said live, but why is it that so many Americans think that they are better than the rest of the world solely because of where they were born? You had nothing personally to do with that. It's like being proud that you have blue eyes. What country you were born in seems so arbitrary to me.

Sean of the Thread
01-22-2008, 12:01 PM
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but this comment made me think. You said live, but why is it that so many Americans think that they are better than the rest of the world solely because of where they were born? You had nothing personally to do with that. It's like being proud that you have blue eyes. What country you were born in seems so arbitrary to me.

Idiot.

It's my opinion as well that I'd rather live here than any other country. I'm THANKFUL everyday I live in America.

Warriorbird
01-22-2008, 12:24 PM
I'm incredibly thankful to live in America. I think for some people it doesn't set in until they've seen the rest of the world.

Gan
01-22-2008, 12:32 PM
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but this comment made me think. You said live, but why is it that so many Americans think that they are better than the rest of the world solely because of where they were born? You had nothing personally to do with that. It's like being proud that you have blue eyes. What country you were born in seems so arbitrary to me.

Its a shame you completely misread my post. Your assumption that I think I'm better than the rest of the world solely because I was born in the USA is way off base.

Ask someone else to explain it to you, I'm not having the patience for fools this morning.

Clove
01-22-2008, 01:01 PM
I don't mean to hijack your thread, but this comment made me think. You said live, but why is it that so many Americans think that they are better than the rest of the world solely because of where they were born? You had nothing personally to do with that. It's like being proud that you have blue eyes. What country you were born in seems so arbitrary to me.

First of all, whether or not you're responsible for your qualities is moot. Something is qualitatively better, or not. How it got that way is unimportant.

Better in terms of humanity? No. Better access to education, information, healthcare, and other endless opportunities? You bet. That might place Americans in the upper half of the world.

Gan
01-22-2008, 01:18 PM
Better in individual FREEDOM.

Sean
01-22-2008, 02:23 PM
GIVE US, US FREE!