Hillary Says Bush Is Pathetic

[ClydeR]

An unwritten rule is that politicians, including those in the loyal opposition, should not speak ill of the President while he is overseas. Hillary ignored that rule in a debate last night when she said (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript), "President Bush is over in the Gulf now begging the Saudis and others to drop the price of oil. How pathetic." I don't see why it is pathetic.

The President should do what is necessary to drop the oil price, starting with asking nicely and begging, if necessary. But the countries in the Middle East should know that if talking and begging do not work, we cannot stand by and let them reap enormous oil profits that will be invested in terrorism. I am confident that President Bush will make that point clear, but I'm not so sure that a President Hillary Clinton would do the same.

Hillary's outburst illustrates why we must stay in Iraq. Holding Iraq gives us control of a big share of the world's oil reserves, which can be used to hold down the price of oil once everything there quiets down.

[Mabus]

The President should do what is necessary to drop the oil price, starting with asking nicely and begging, if necessary.
Nothing like free market capitalism, or have "conservatives" forgotten about that principle as well?


But the countries in the Middle East should know that if talking and begging do not work, we cannot stand by and let them reap enormous oil profits that will be invested in terrorism.
And what will we do if they keep making profits? Bomb them? Invade them?

You live in a fantasy world if you believe we can unilaterally invade all non-friendly oil producing states, drive them into submission, occupy them and lower oil prices.

Now that line of thinking is pathetic.

Hillary's outburst illustrates why we must stay in Iraq. Holding Iraq gives us control of a big share of the world's oil reserves, which can be used to hold down the price of oil once everything there quiets down.
Yeah, those prices sure have fallen...

We have to stay in Iraq because (drum roll) we broke it. There was absolutely no reason to invade it. We can all rehash who might have known what when and all that, but this policy of preemption, and the criminal lack of preplanned actions for the post-battle by the civilian authorities, has left us in a mess. I am for staying until it is stable. Then we should quickly declare victory, shake hands for the cameras and get the hell out of there.

We have never had a worse president then this GW fella. History will not treat him kindly. His policies have left us in debt, with a credit crunch, occupying a foreign land that did not attack us and with the enmity of most of the world's countries and citizens. He has ignored the Constitution that he swore to protect and defend, and even termed that wonderful founding document and our treaties "quaint".

Now he prostrates himself before his daddy's friends, and not for oil prices, but for support for anti-Iran policies (possibly including bombing runs) and for arms sales. His inane attempts to box it as a Israeli/Palestinian peace effort are laughable, and only an attempted patch to aid the tarnished "legacy" of a lame duck.

In a word, he is "pathetic".

[Hulkein]

Nothing like free market capitalism, or have "conservatives" forgotten about that principle as well?

And what will we do if they keep making profits? Bomb them? Invade them?

You live in a fantasy world if you believe we can unilaterally invade all non-friendly oil producing states, drive them into submission, occupy them and lower oil prices.

Now that line of thinking is pathetic.

Yeah, those prices sure have fallen...

We have to stay in Iraq because (drum roll) we broke it. There was absolutely no reason to invade it. We can all rehash who might have known what when and all that, but this policy of preemption, and the criminal lack of preplanned actions for the post-battle by the civilian authorities, has left us in a mess. I am for staying until it is stable. Then we should quickly declare victory, shake hands for the cameras and get the hell out of there.

That sums it up pretty well.

[Sean of the Thread]

You guys are funny.

[Gan]

We have never had a worse president then this GW fella. History will not treat him kindly. His policies have left us in debt, with a credit crunch, occupying a foreign land that did not attack us and with the enmity of most of the world's countries and citizens. He has ignored the Constitution that he swore to protect and defend, and even termed that wonderful founding document and our treaties "quaint".

In a word, he is "pathetic".

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/headupass.jpg

[Parkbandit]

:rofl:

[Hulkein]

lol, I didn't read the last part of Mabus' post until Gan quoted it. I agree with what he said up until the last three paragraphs.

[TheEschaton]

Where is this unwritten rule where you have to kiss the sitting President's ass?

More importantly, how come it didn't apply to Bill Clinton?

[Tsa`ah]

Well, the bit directed at GW is a matter of opinion (even though I agree with it). You can post pictures of a person with their head inserted into the anus all you want ... but our economic situation (and oil prices) are been greatly influenced by the war ... which GW put us in this war with no exit strategy, no proof of his claims, and more importantly ... without ever producing a single WMD.

Here's the reality of the entire situation though ... our Senators and our Congressmen put us there just as much as Bush did.

We here about how they were lied to ... let me ask you this. If you were on a police task force C average cheerleader from Harvard told you there was a methlab a few blocks away and gave you the address ... would you assemble your team and storm it? Or would you investigate his claim before you took any action?

If you said storm it ... it's evident you're as capable as every senator and congressman claiming they were duped (and that includes Hillary ... who really has no room to call a pile of shit pathetic).

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I heard Hillary has a new tactic at conventions now...

She strides up the the front of the stage, pulls up her skirt, yells "read my lips, no new taxes" and walks off.

[CrystalTears]

I heard Hillary has a new tactic at conventions now...

She strides up the the front of the stage, pulls up her skirt, yells "read my lips, no new taxes" and walks off.
:lol: I'll make sure not to attend any of those.

[Some Rogue]

I heard she didn't wear skirts because her balls would show. :shrug:

[Sean of the Thread]

Where is this unwritten rule where you have to kiss the sitting President's ass?

More importantly, how come it didn't apply to Bill Clinton?

Because he was an impeached felon mebbbe?

[Stanley Burrell]

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/headupass.jpg

That'd be a riot at parties.

[Stanley Burrell]

Because he was an impeached felon mebbbe?

One. One bullet that has killed an American soldier because of our crock of shit lies has been far more unpatriotic than oral sex between living human beings.

However. Politicians are pussies and therefor anything criminal perpetrated by a wartime president ... Isn't. If dumb bitch is elected, my hope is that she'll basically do everything Bush has done with unquestioned precedence, except in reverse.

[Asha]

We Brits love your Democrats.

[Parkbandit]

We Brits love your Democrats.


So does Al-Qaeda...

[Mabus]

So does Al-Qaeda...

What a crock...

If we had to look at which US party al'Qaeda would support then let's look at facts:
1) Al'Qaeda was born from the mujaheddin, supported by the Reagan administration.
2) They were sheltered by the Taliban, who visited Texas while Bush was governor. The Taliban later were invited by the State Dept. under GW to tour the USA, only 5 1/2 months before 9/11, to "improve their image".
3) The group is composed of religious zealots that believe the word of a book is absolute truth. They deny science that conflicts with the writings.
4) They are "conservatives", using "Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs. " as a definition.
5) Their largest "success" occurred during GW's term.
6) The USA-Iraq War has been their largest recruiting tool since the Soviet-Afghan War.

I am in no way saying that they prefer either party. I am just attempting to point out what horseshit it is to attempt to portray either party as preferable to a shared enemy of all USA citizens. Instead of being like them (ideologues without the ability to work with others they may disagree with toward a common goal) try to realize that single-party posturing in this war aids our enemy.

So wow us all with a snippy one-liner, or perhaps a quick picture, as to why you would post that they would prefer Democrats if it makes you feel better. Or lift yourself out of divide et impera and try to see the larger picture, for once.

[Keller]

What a crock...

If we had to look at which US party al'Qaeda would support then let's look at facts:
1) Al'Qaeda was born from the mujaheddin, supported by the Reagan administration.
2) They were sheltered by the Taliban, who visited Texas while Bush was governor. The Taliban later were invited by the State Dept. under GW to tour the USA, only 5 1/2 months before 9/11, to "improve their image".
3) The group is composed of religious zealots that believe the word of a book is absolute truth. They deny science that conflicts with the writings.
4) They are "conservatives", using "Conservatism is a term used to describe political philosophies that favor tradition and gradual change, where tradition refers to religious, cultural, or nationally defined beliefs and customs. " as a definition.
5) Their largest "success" occurred during GW's term.
6) The USA-Iraq War has been their largest recruiting tool since the Soviet-Afghan War.

I am in no way saying that they prefer either party. I am just attempting to point out what horseshit it is to attempt to portray either party as preferable to a shared enemy of all USA citizens. Instead of being like them (ideologues without the ability to work with others they may disagree with toward a common goal) try to realize that single-party posturing in this war aids our enemy.

So wow us all with a snippy one-liner, or perhaps a quick picture, as to why you would post that they would prefer Democrats if it makes you feel better. Or lift yourself out of divide et impera and try to see the larger picture, for once.

Hahahahahah, hahahahah! You're such an idiot! hahahahahah!

I think you forgot to ask for a source.

[Parkbandit]

I think you forgot to ask for a source.

While you were making up posts, you forgot to call my kids whores.

[Keller]

While you were making up posts, you forgot to call my kids whores.


Way to make a baseless acquisation! Source please.

[Gelston]

Well, the bit directed at GW is a matter of opinion (even though I agree with it). You can post pictures of a person with their head inserted into the anus all you want ... but our economic situation (and oil prices) are been greatly influenced by the war ... which GW put us in this war with no exit strategy, really has no room to call a pile of shit pathetic).

This has been hashed out a lot but... I've always thought winning was an excellent exit strategy. Just my two cents. Later.

[Parkbandit]

Way to make a baseless acquisation! Source please.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=666957&postcount=83

[Keller]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showpost.php?p=666957&postcount=83



It's amazing how quickly you can support an assertion when it has some sort of cogent support. See how that works?

[Keller]

It's amazing how quickly you can support an assertion when it has some sort of cogent support. See how that works?

I can call you an idiot and a moron because you've provided all the support we need.

ORLY?

[Parkbandit]

It's amazing how quickly you can support an assertion when it has some sort of cogent support. See how that works?


It's amazing how much an asshole you are.. and how I always overlooked it in the past.

[Keller]

It's amazing how much an asshole you are.. and how I always overlooked it in the past.

Source please.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Source please.

I will offer myself up as a source. You are an asshole.

[Daniel]

Lol.

[Kefka]

This has been hashed out a lot but... I've always thought winning was an excellent exit strategy. Just my two cents. Later.

What exactly is winning? Are we talking Iraq or Terror? Is it even possible to win a war on terror?

[Parkbandit]

Dude.. have your fun. As I told you in WoW, I'm done with you. I think I've wasted enough time in the past with you... sticking up for you when others told me how much of an asshole you are. Asking you to come back to Dunemaul on Chumae's account.. getting you in touch with Chris... asking you to multiple times to come back to the guild.

I realize how blind and foolish I was...

Let's get back on topic now...

[CrystalTears]

We hate to say we told you so, but... :D

[Parkbandit]

What exactly is winning? Are we talking Iraq or Terror? Is it even possible to win a war on terror?


I don't think you will ever stop people from doing terrorist acts.. but that doesn't mean you can't dismantle their network, making an organized attack less likely.

[Parkbandit]

We hate to say we told you so, but... :D


LOL.. I know, I know. It's amazing how many people are actually saying that to me.. here and in WoW.

BTW: When are you coming back to WoW and letting go of GS for good? I can't believe you still play that game.

[Keller]

Dude.. have your fun. As I told you in WoW, I'm done with you. I think I've wasted enough time in the past with you... sticking up for you when others told me how much of an asshole you are. Asking you to come back to Dunemaul on Chumae's account.. getting you in touch with Chris... asking you to multiple times to come back to the guild.

I realize how blind and foolish I was...

Let's get back on topic now...

Your self-importance is delusional. I came back to play with Monkeysnarf and the only reason you were even involved is I asked if you were playing Kallell. Why don't you stick with baseless personal attacks and unsupportable rhetoric. That's your shtick.

[CrystalTears]

I barely have time to play either. I'm betting sometime this year I'm giving up GS again. If I played WoW again, I definitely wouldn't be raiding, so I'm in no rush to accomplish anything anyway.

But.. to stay on topic... I think Hillary is pathetic.

The end.

[Gelston]

What exactly is winning? Are we talking Iraq or Terror? Is it even possible to win a war on terror?

Iraq.

[Parkbandit]

Your self-importance is delusional. I came back to play with Monkeysnarf and the only reason you were even involved is I asked if you were playing Kallell. Why don't you stick with baseless personal attacks and unsupportable rhetoric. That's your shtick.

Gotcha.. so you knew that Chumae's account was available.. and knew how to get in touch with Chris. I suppose me talking you into rejoining HoR after you quit in a child like rage was also delusional on my part.

Hey.. how is that playing with Monkeysnarf working out for you? :rofl:

Like I said man.. I'm done with you. Like so many other people you have come into contact with.. we've come to the realization that you are a fucking waste of time.

[Keller]

Like I said man.. I'm done with you.

You're like a bitter ex. If you seriously need to continue, you know how to use PMs.

[Clove]

Is it even possible to win a war on terror?

I believe there have been good results with Zoloft.

[Kefka]

Iraq.

I doubt anything there can be seen as a victory anymore. Fixing what we broke is hardly what one could consider a win. Short of finding wmd's, we're not there for what we came for. Turning a disaster we created into something more stable is exactly what it is. Cleaning up our mess.

[Kefka]

I believe there have been good results with Zoloft.

A drug known to increase the risk of suicide? hmmm...

[Keller]

I doubt anything there can be seen as a victory anymore. Fixing what we broke is hardly what one could consider a win. Short of finding wmd's, we're not there for what we came for. Turning a disaster we created into something more stable is exactly what it is. Cleaning up our mess.


Victory is always relative. And as the prospective "victors", I'd like the consolation of at least feeling like something was accomplished.

[TheEschaton]

Congratulations then, we deposed a dictator we supported until 1990, when he used the weapons and capacity we built for him/gave him to kill his own people.

-TheE-

[Clove]

A drug known to increase the risk of suicide? hmmm...

Correction. Not known, suspected. The FDA requires all anti-depressants to carry warnings indicating that they may increase risk of suicide; due to statistical (not clinical) evidence.

Other than that, it was a joke dumbass.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Congratulations then, we deposed a dictator we supported until 1990, when he used the weapons and capacity we built for him/gave him to kill his own people.

-TheE-

Because people and circumstances never change.

[TheEschaton]

Nah, he was a despot before 1990, but we still supported him.

The only circumstance which changed was he used the weapons we gave him to attack Iran with, for another purpose.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nah, he was a despot before 1990, but we still supported him.

The only circumstance which changed was he used the weapons we gave him to attack Iran with, for another purpose.

I don't disagree. That would be the circumstance changing. Unfortunately in the real world we can't always have a black and white solution, even if we want one.

[Kefka]

Correction. Not known, suspected. The FDA requires all anti-depressants to carry warnings indicating that they may increase risk of suicide; due to statistical (not clinical) evidence.

Other than that, it was a joke dumbass.

Thanks for letting me know that. I honestly didn't know until you just told me. Idiot.

[Clove]

Thanks for letting me know that. I honestly didn't know until you just told me. Idiot.

Mouthbreather.

[Kefka]

Mouthbreather.

Ok... Had to go to the urban dictionary to locate this insult. So in response, yo mama.