Texas Discriminates Against Christian Education

[ClydeR]

In another example (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/DN-icrmeet_11met.ART.North.Edition1.37b3bac.html) of how the government discriminates against people of faith, the Texas commissioner of higher education is refusing to accredit a degree in creationism offered by the Institute for Creation Research unless the degree is renamed to a degree in "creation studies." Calling the degree "creation studies" and not "creationism" emphasizes the theoretical aspects of the degree and de-emphasizes the faith-based aspects of the degree. I think the Texas higher education people are taking a hard line for political purposes.

The Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org) needs the accreditation (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071219/30554_Creation_College_Seeks_Texas_Approval_to_Tra in_Science_Teachers.htm) so that those who earn the degree will be eligible to teach science classes in public and private schools.

The institute will be selective (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/01/10/texas_official_call_it_creationism_degree/1799) in its admission policies. "The program is open only to students who believe that God created the universe in six days and that those who deny Jesus Christ face eternal damnation, the newspaper said. Adultery, homosexuality and fornication are banned."

[BigWorm]

"The program is open only to students who believe that God created the universe in six days and that those who deny Jesus Christ face eternal damnation, the newspaper said. Adultery, homosexuality and fornication are banned."

Who is discriminating again? I forget...

[Gan]

:lol:


The institute will be selective (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/01/10/texas_official_call_it_creationism_degree/1799) in its admission policies. "The program is open only to students who believe that God created the universe in six days and that those who deny Jesus Christ face eternal damnation, the newspaper said. Adultery, homosexuality and fornication are banned."

Good for Texas!

I'm suprised they could write this with a straight face.

I think I'm going to send a note (http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Comments/)thanking Dr. Paredes for sticking up for common sense and real science.

http://www.thecb.state.tx.us/Commissioner/

[Warriorbird]

The poor Christians!

QQ

[CrystalTears]

The Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org) needs the accreditation (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071219/30554_Creation_College_Seeks_Texas_Approval_to_Tra in_Science_Teachers.htm) so that those who earn the degree will be eligible to teach science classes in public and private schools.

The institute will be selective (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/01/10/texas_official_call_it_creationism_degree/1799) in its admission policies. "The program is open only to students who believe that God created the universe in six days and that those who deny Jesus Christ face eternal damnation, the newspaper said. Adultery, homosexuality and fornication are banned."
I swear, born-again Christians scare the crap out of me.

Teach that stuff in only religious schools that already believe and teach that faith. It really shouldn't be taught in public schools.

My god, fornication is banned. I'm out. :D

[Methais]

Jesus Christ doesn't care about black people.

[Hulkein]

We know, GWB = Jesus.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<My god, fornication is banned. I'm out.>>

Aren't you married...?

[Celephais]

I like how crazy religious nuts always emphasis the theory of evolution, but now they're crying that creationism is being chalked up to being a theory.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<I like how crazy religious nuts always emphasis the theory of evolution,>>

I like how they do that when gravity is a theory, too.

[ClydeR]

I like how crazy religious nuts always emphasis the theory of evolution, but now they're crying that creationism is being chalked up to being a theory.

Nobody can prove that evolution happened. Nobody has ever seen any animal evolve into another species. There are fewer and fewer species of animals on the planet. If evolution were real, then there would at least be a few new species.

[Gan]

Right, because we all know evolution can happen overnight. Afterall, the world was created in only 6 days.

:whistle:

[Methais]

If God was so infinitely powerful, why did it take him 6 days to create the world instead of just making it all happen instantly? And why would he need to rest? He's God.

Kratos never rested. :(

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Nobody can prove that evolution happened.>>

Keeping to my last post: nobody can prove that gravity exists. Evolution and gravity are held at the same scientific standard in terms of reliability, which is pretty goddamn high.

[Methais]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/gravity.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Testosterone alert!!!

[Hulkein]

<<Nobody can prove that evolution happened.>>

Keeping to my last post: nobody can prove that gravity exists. Evolution and gravity are held at the same scientific standard in terms of reliability, which is pretty goddamn high.

While I believe in evolution it's not held in the same scientific standard in terms of reliability as the theory of gravity.

[Stanley Burrell]

<<Nobody can prove that evolution happened. Nobody has ever seen any animal evolve into another species. There are fewer and fewer species of animals on the planet. If evolution were real, then there would at least be a few new species.>>

This is the exact standard that religion upholds. The difference is that there is no doubt in mind that if, i.e., Miller-Urey was continued from where it left off that Evolution could be quantized and proved.

This would, of course, require the loss of evolution-phobic individuals associated with funding. I personally feel that the idea of funding Evolution research to serve strictly as a slap-in-the-face to a religious agenda is pointless. Furthermore, this doesn't occur for the same reason that science doesn't tote its own Creative Design agenda.

I also think that there are too many MDs and MD-types who truly believe they've been the pioneers of work completely unrelated to them when all they did was talk to a religiously backboned institution that provides funding because they can push their weight around. Many individuals like this "know" they have done everything knowledge and research related to serve as first author with the exact same kind of "knowing you're right" that Creationists spout. It's sort of hard to explain unless you've worked in the environment as a self-imposed lapdog. This is a paradox until research and researches can be held in the same regard as medical doctors.

What was great about Darwin is that he was a devote Christian. I doubt he could have published his information otherwise. Sadly, he most likely developed panic disorder and a host of other neuroses after realizing that truth of his work held a higher standard than the deep-seeded religious agendas he'd been instilled with.

[Latrinsorm]

I think gravity is a neat analog for evolution because the mechanism of gravity (in a particle sense) is still unknown, just like the mechanism of evolution was unknown to Darwin.

In any event, there's no way to describe how cool the real theory of gravity is.

[Numbers]

Nobody can prove that evolution happened. Nobody has ever seen any animal evolve into another species. There are fewer and fewer species of animals on the planet. If evolution were real, then there would at least be a few new species.

Wait... what?

When was the last time you got a flu shot?

[Stanley Burrell]

I think gravity is a neat analog for evolution because the mechanism of gravity (in a particle sense) is still unknown, just like the mechanism of evolution was unknown to Darwin.

In any event, there's no way to describe how cool the real theory of gravity is.

I always wondered if time was ultimately theoretical as well for this exact purpose.

[CrystalTears]

<<My god, fornication is banned. I'm out.>>

Aren't you married...?
Whoops? :tongue:

[Stanley Burrell]

I thought you were divorced.

Nasty.

[CrystalTears]

It was just a joke. Relax people.

Besides, the reason I said it was because I wouldn't be in favor of any organization that tells you how to live your private life. Fuck em.

[Stanley Burrell]

Married people have no personal hygeine.

Look at Bear from Man vs. Wild. No self-respecting lady-type would choose that brute bloke over my message board e-peen.

/

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Besides, the reason I said it was because I wouldn't be in favor of any organization that tells you how to live your private life.>>

What about dry dorms?

[Kembal]

Ok, see, when the headline is that "Texas Discrimunates Against Christian Education", the first thing that comes to my mind is that the thing being "discriminated" against must be so extremely whacked out that even someone here couldn't approve it with a straight face.

[Stanley Burrell]

<<BOB>>

Dry dorms?

You mean ... 24/7 quiet hours because I peed a six pack on the floor?

[Drew2]

I love Texas.

[TheEschaton]

ClydeR wins again for making my eyes bleed.

[Bartlett]

I find it ridiculous that a course is being denied accreditation based on the course name instead of an educated decision based on the course materials, and moreso that the institution is refusing to change the name.

And of course, comparing gravity to evolution would be more accurate if all we knew about gravity was what goes up must come down.

[Bhuryn]

Typical case of:

Group A discriminates against Group B and bitches when someone discriminates Group A, then Group B discriminates group C and bitches about group A, then Group C pisses on Group A's beliefs and blames it on the hardships causes by Group B.

[TheEschaton]

No, Bratt, it wouldn't be. Evolution is scientifically observable, they've even studied it on the genetic level. It is testable, but because of the long time scales for complex beings, only so in terms of bacteria and other micro organisms. And it has yet to be disproven, despite what the creationists think.

Meanwhile, creationism has been disproven. Multiple times. I actually sat in on a panel with the guys who litigated the case where creationism was trying to be taught as a SCIENCE alongside evolution. Evolution won, by the way, in a court of law.

-TheE-

[Sean of the Thread]

Yay Texas! Hopefully this will catch on nationally.

Perhaps even start sterilizing people who believe in it.


Idiots.

[Keller]

Can someone change the topic of this thread to "Texas Wont Accredit School that Teaches Silly Fairy Tale and Not Science Because the U.S. Already Sucks at Science"? Please?

[Gan]

LOL

[Valthissa]

I always wondered if time was ultimately theoretical as well for this exact purpose.

My view would be that gravity exists without an observer whereas time is a totally artificial construct of the human mind.

The way evolution was taught in my youth is as follows:

1) The idea of evolution of the species was written about in both ancient China and Greece.

2) The idea of evolution became very popular in the early 19th century.

3) Charles Darwin proposed a specific mechanism, natural selection, to explain evolution.



C/Valth